Animal Man vs Lizard

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Hi and welcome to the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly show where we review superhero films and debate the superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing their characters in stat-based battle simulations. I'm Marvelous Joe and I'm his twin brother Johnny DC. As you guys probably know, that was not actually Johnny DC, that was me squeezing my nostrils. Johnny DC will be out for the first part of this episode because he is busy getting a procedure done, and in case that sounds vague, Jonathan got a kidney stone, which is super painful, really wishing him the best here. It was apparently too large to pass so they had to use a laser and basically play asteroids with the thing up in his kidney. 

Not a great time. I don't know how one gets kidney stones, I think it's largely a dehydration thing, but since I am also usually dehydrated and I've never gotten kidney stones, I can only assume that one actually gets kidney stones from liking DC. So, public service announcement to all the DC fans out there, just switch to Marvel and you won't get kidney stones. In this episode, Jonathan is going to be joining me as we find out who's going to win in a fight between Animal Man vs. The Lizard. 

And I'm feeling pretty good about this one. The Lizard is one of Spider-Man's most formidable foes and I think he's going to be really impressive statistically going up against Animal Man, who is probably a lesser known DC character, but has kind of like a cult following. He's able to tap into the abilities of all animals. 

We'll see who wins later on this episode. Before that, I'm going to break down the latest comic book movie news that has come out over the past month since we haven't really gotten to the news in a few weeks due to the holiday season. But there are two important things to talk about including the fact that Brainiac has been cast in the Man of Tomorrow movie and we got an official trailer for the Wonder Man series. 

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But now that that's done, onto the news! Alright in the first bit of news we learned a few weeks ago that Brainiac has been cast in the Superman sequel which is titled Man of Tomorrow. The person playing Brainiac chosen by James Gunn for the film will be, let me check my notes here, Lars Eidinger, which of course everybody knows who that guy is. He was in Clouds of Sils Maria, obviously, and a movie called Persian Lessons. Now I'm going to be honest, I have no idea who this guy is and I don't think Jonathan does either. He is a German actor who I will say does not not look the part. Apparently he did really well in his audition for the film. Now I'm not the DC guy on this podcast so I don't know if you guys want to hear my opinion, but I don't think he's going to bring in any box office dollars because he has no name recognition and I think that James Gunn is really banking on the characters selling the movie as opposed to the actors themselves. Really David Cornsoit wasn't a huge name either when he was cast as Superman. And also I'm not really sure if a name actor is necessary for Brainiac considering the level of potential prosthetics or special effects that will be applied to his performance. We don't know if they're going to go the green skinned alien route or the artificial intelligence route. So I can see this role going anywhere from live action performance to maybe just a voice role. We'll see what happens. I will say that this casting announcement drums up little to no excitement though. 

Doesn't mean he'll be bad. We'll have a better idea of what we're expecting from him once we get trailers and other marketing material, but that won't be for a while considering the movie doesn't come out until summer of 2027. In other bigger and better news, we got an official trailer for the upcoming Wonder Man series starting Ya Ya Abdul Mateen II and Ben Kingsley. 

The upcoming series looks like a whole lot of fun. Absolutely nothing like the comic books. I do appreciate the angle that they're taking with the show though, especially considering that Wonder Man was always unique within the larger superhero community as being one of the only superheroes who was also an actor. It appears Marvel Studios has taken that concept and run with it, making Wonder Man more of a role that Simon Williams is pursuing as opposed to an outright hero and member of the Avengers. 

While it does take away from who the character is on the page, I do think it provides a unique opportunity for originality and commentary on the state of superhero cinema in general. They even mentioned within the course of this trailer that Wonder Man is here to battle superhero fatigue, which is in reference to the dwindling box office returns of superhero theatrical releases, at least compared to a pre-COVID era. Simon Williams wants to play the Wonder Man character in a movie that will be a reboot of a Flash Gordon-esque series that aired within the MCU, the twist being that Simon Williams himself has superpowers. I don't know how they're going to treat the origin of Simon Williams because in the comic books of course Wonder Man was a rival to Tony Stark, who was recruited by Baron Zemo into the Masters of Evil team who were the enemies of the Avengers, and Simon was bombarded with ionic energy, making him super durable, super strong. You can learn more about Wonder Man in our Duel episode where we pay him against Captain Adam, that was a fun one. But this trailer doesn't give any sort of indication that Yaya Abdul Mateen II's character is in fact a rival to Tony Stark. So I'm guessing he gets his ionic superpowers some other way. I don't know if they're going to make him a mutant, but I'm hoping that at least his origin involves Baron Zemo in some capacity, and that his powers are ionic in nature, otherwise the similarities to the comic book version of Wonder Man will be too few. 

Regardless of how they figure that out, what I'm really looking forward to in the show are really the performances of Yaya Abdul Mateen II. I've been a big fan of his, of course he was in the Aquaman movies, he was in the Watchman HBO television series. I'm also a big fan of Ben Kingsley's Trevor Slattery, even though I still despise what they did with the character in Iron Man 3. I like how they kind of developed him over the course of Shang-Chi and now this show. 

I'll definitely be checking it out when the show premieres on January 27th, just a few weeks from now. But enough of me just blabbing on in a room by myself. I gotta say doing this is really hard without a co-host, so let's get Jonathan on the line. 

Hopefully he's feeling better and we'll get this duel started and learn who would win in a fight between Animal Man and the Lizard. Alright Jonathan, welcome to the show. Glad you could join us. How are you feeling? I'm doing well for the most part. 

My throat is kind of gone right now after the forced projectile vomiting after coming out of anesthesia. So I hate talking. I'm not loving that I'm talking right now, but I do it for the fans. You know, even though we only have two episodes left before our semi-retirement, it does seem like you're trying your damnace to make sure that we break our perfect streak over the past decade. Hey, I've been here for every episode. 

My guy, have you? No, that's fair. Exactly. I did miss an episode when my daughter was born. Priorities. 

Yeah, I can't believe I did that. But as you know, in this episode, we're going to find out who would win in a fight between Animal Man and the Lizard. And it's really going to suck because not only did you get PP Lazard, but you're also going to lose this match. So it's like kind of kicking you in the nuts when you've already been repeatedly kicked in the nuts. 

I don't know what makes you so confident. Like, to me, this is another Vixen Craven matchup. Who won that one? Craven. Oh, shit. I think. But it was a coin toss. 

He only won 502 out of a thousand matches. Oh, wow. Well, here's where I'm coming from. I don't think there's anything the Lizard can do that Animal Man can't. 

So I think you're the one who is in fact going to have their PP kicked in. Well, that's just not true. There are things that Lizard can do that Animal Man can't. Or at least I don't think he can. 

And I'll tell you what those things are as we get into our backgrounds. Also, the Lizard has been in a movie, two movies, whereas Animal Man has not. So Lizard's just better in general. 

I think Animal Man was in Teen Titans go to the movies. Cool. First to explain the methodology behind our duels, let's go to our sentient Duel simulator Alfred Jarvis 9000. AJ9K tell our listeners how you go about determining a winner in our Duel matchups. 

Yes, of course, sir. The way I determine a winner between the contestants is by running 1000 Monte Carlo simulations using the characters statistics. A Monte Carlo simulation is a probabilistic model used to determine outcomes through random sampling. In this case, I randomize the statistics along a normal distribution as a way to simulate the many variables that can occur during battle. 

The stat parameters are based on the official Marvel power grid from which the DC characters statistics are extrapolated. Additional stat categories are included such as range, damage potential, versatility and perception in order to create a more detailed and accurate simulation. The results of the 1000 simulations provide a percentage of wins for each character. The contestant with the higher percentage is declared the victor as they have a higher probability to win any given battle. In an equitable pairing, neither character should win 100% of the matches. The comic book stories have shown that there's even a way for Batman to defeat Superman, so the confidence rate of my method falls in line with the precedents that have been established in the source material. My mathematical simulations are without subjectivity or bias. Feats are not the sole consideration, nor are fan votes tabulated for determination of the winner. 

Thanks AJ9K. Before we run the simulations though, we'd like to break down each character's histories and abilities before improvising a scenario on how we imagined one of the 1000 simulations would play out beat for beat. And it is my turn to go first with the Marvel character backstory, so let me tell you all about the lizard. Kurt Connors was born in Coral Gables, Florida and showed an early aptitude for science that led him into higher education focused on biology and biochemistry. While attending college, he met fellow student Martha and the two eventually married and had a son, Billy. Connors pursued a career that blended medical science with public service, ultimately joining the US Army where he worked as a field surgeon treating wounded soldiers in combat conditions. During his military service, an explosion severely injured his right arm and the damage was so extensive that the limb had to be amputated. The loss of his arm ended Connors' surgical career as he had envisioned it and became the defining catalyst of his scientific life. After returning to civilian work, Connors redirected his research toward regenerative biology, focusing specifically on reptiles whose ability to regrow lost limbs far exceeded anything possible in human medicine. He became convinced that the mechanisms behind reptilian regeneration could be adapted for human use and that the problem was one of molecular activation rather than biological impossibility. Working from a laboratory in Florida, Connors developed an experimental serum derived from reptilian DNA. 

Initial animal testing appeared successful, demonstrating accelerated tissue regeneration. Believing he had solved his core problem and driven by personal desperation, Connors chose to test the serum on himself. The experiment succeeded in restoring his missing arm, but it also produced catastrophic side effects. Connors' body underwent a massive transformation, reshaping him into a large reptilian humanoid with enhanced strength, speed, durability, and regenerative capacity. More critically, the transformation altered his mental state, suppressing his human reasoning in favor of aggressive, instinct-driven behavior. The transformed Connors adopted the identity of the lizard, a creature that viewed human weakness as a flaw and increasingly saw forced evolution as a solution. The lizard's activities in the Florida Everglades drew public attention, including reports of attacks and sightings that reached New York. Spider-Man traveled to Florida to investigate and eventually confronted the creature. During their encounter, Spider-Man discovered that the lizard was Kurt Connors and, using Connors' own research notes, developed an antidote that forced the lizard back into human form. 

You can learn more about Spider-Man in his duel against Blue Beetle. Although Connors regained his mind and body, the cure was temporary. Continued exposure to the biochemical effects of the serum and the instability of the transformation meant the lizard resurfaced repeatedly. Connors attempted to refine his work to eliminate the side effects, but each attempt risked another loss of control. 

Over time, the lizard emerged not merely as a physical transformation, but as a recurring condition tied to Connors' physiology, stress levels, and experimental exposure. Connors later relocated his professional life to New York City, where he became affiliated with Empire State University, where Peter Parker attended. There, he worked as a researcher and professor, earning respect within the scientific community despite the instability of his condition. During this period, Peter Parker came into Connors' orbit as a student and Connors served as a mentor and academic authority figure. Connors remained unaware of Parker's identity as Spider-Man, even as their lives continued to intersect through repeated confrontations with the lizard. Connors made ongoing efforts to control or suppress the transformation rather than simply reverse it after the fact. He experimented with chemical inhibitors and neurological suppressants designed to preserve his human intellect during transformation or prevent the lizard from emerging at all. 

These methods proved inconsistent. Outside interference also worsened the condition as criminals and rival scientists sought to exploit Connors' research for their own ends, often triggering transformations through sabotage or coercion. The instability of Connors' condition placed increasing strain on his family. Martha grew distrustful of Connors' assurances that he had cured himself as each relapse endangered their son and disrupted their lives. Eventually, she took Billy and separated from Connors. Martha later died from cancer, leaving Connors alone and deepening the emotional consequences of his failures as both a scientist and a father. Connors' research was later duplicated and misused by other scientists. 

Dr. Vincent Stegron adapted Connors' work to induce dinosaur-like mutations in himself while another offshoot of Connors' experiments resulted in the creation of the iguana, a mutated being who carried aspects of the lizard's physiology and behavioral traits. Connors was repeatedly drawn into conflicts involving these figures, often assisting Spider-Man in containment efforts while struggling to prevent his own transformation. Connors was also removed from Earth during the large-scale conflict in which heroes and villains were transported to an alien world and forced into battle in a secret war by the beyonder. 

Although his experience did not resolve his condition, it further destabilized his life, and upon returning to Earth, Connors found his personal and professional relationships in worse condition than before. During his research to fix himself, Connors' young son Billy was accidentally exposed to the lizard serum, temporarily transforming into a reptilian form as well. The stress caused Connors to eventually lose control over the lizard entirely, and in his rage, the creature killed his son. The event completely shattered Connors' psyche, leaving the lizard as the new dominant personality with Connors' intelligence but stripped of much of his emotional restraint and guilt. After Billy's death, the lizard developed additional abilities, including the capacity to trigger violent, primitive behavior in others by stimulating aggressive responses in the reptilian complex part of the human brain. 

This led to widespread chaos and made the lizard significantly more dangerous than before. Spider-Man ultimately defeated the creature by using Connors' own biochemical work to counter these effects and force the lizard into a state where it could be subdued. Despite these events, Connors continued to exist within the lizard's body, experiencing his dormant condition as a form of punishment. 

He was eventually confined in high-security facilities, including the raft, where he accepted imprisonment as a necessary safeguard. Even in confinement, Connors' scientific expertise made him a target for manipulation, particularly by other imprisoned supervillains seeking to exploit his knowledge. Connors was later approached with the promise of restoring his family. He was reunited with versions of Martha and Billy, only to discover they were clones created by the Jackal. When the clones began deteriorating due to a viral condition, Connors injected them with the lizard serum in an attempt to preserve their lives, transforming them into reptilian beings like himself. In an effort to regain stability, Connors returned to Empire State University under strict conditions and accepted the implantation of an inhibitor device designed to regulate his transformations. This allowed him to function publicly while limiting the lizard's influence, and he was able to stabilize Billy's cloned body. The inhibitor device was later removed when Billy was abducted during an orchestrated hunt involving animal-themed criminals, allowing Connors to rescue his son. 

Afterward, Connors again isolated himself, retreating underground to prevent any potential harm. His research remained focused on a permanent solution, separating or eliminating his reptilian alter ego. He developed a device called the isotope genome accelerator that he believed could split his human self from the lizard. Connors activated the device under coercion from Dr. Octopus, who wanted to recruit the lizard into his new Sinister 6 team. The isotope genome accelerator succeeded in separating Connors from the lizard, leaving the creature as an independent entity, and forcing Connors to confront the consequences of finally unleashing the lizard without his own mind acting as a restraint. 

That's the lizard's backstory. Powers-wise, the lizard has enhanced reptilian physiology, granting him increased strength, able to lift around 12 tons, increased speed of around 50 miles per hour, and an increased leaping ability around two stories. His scaly hide and dense tissue make him nearly bulletproof, and he has a regenerative healing factor. He can stick to walls and surfaces like a gecko, and has bone-crushing jaws with razor-sharp teeth and claws that can rend stone. He can whip his powerful 6-foot-long, prehensile tail at 70 miles per hour, and can control and communicate with reptilian life within a 2-mile radius, even influencing the amygdala of humans which controls aggression, instincts, and the fight-or-flight response. That is the lizard. Now let me get into the backstory for Animal Man. Buddy Baker grew up in California as an average teenager interested in music, counterculture, and dating his high school girlfriend, Ellen Frazier. 

During a hunting trip in the Adirondack Mountains, Buddy discovered a crashed alien spacecraft, though before he could investigate further, the vessel exploded, bathing Buddy in unidentified radiation. Later, he returned home and graDuelly discovered that he could mimic the physical abilities of animals around him, drawing upon their speed, strength, agility, senses, or instincts, and scaling those traits to human proportions. As a young man, Buddy briefly attempted a costumed career using these abilities to promote his band, but lacking confidence and direction, he abandoned heroics after little success. Buddy chose a conventional life, marrying Ellen and starting a family, and later realized that his powers could be used professionally, finding steady work as a movie stuntman where his abilities allowed him to perform dangerous feats safely. 

For years, he kept his powers compartmentalized, using them for work while suppressing any larger heroic ambitions. Eventually, Buddy recognized that ignoring his abilities left him feeling incomplete. With Ellen's cautious support, he returned to super heroics under the name Animal Man, determined to balance family life with a growing sense that his powers carried deeper responsibility. Buddy was drawn back into heroics when he encountered the immortal man and joined the Forgotten Heroes, a group of displaced adventurers connected by mysterious ancient artifacts. 

He participated in global and offworld missions, including a journey into space during the reality-altering Crisis on Infinite Earths event that reshaped history itself. Buddy survived, but inconsistencies began appearing in his memories and origin. Returning to Earth, Buddy resumed activity as Animal Man, and increasingly focused on animal welfare and environmental causes. He investigated illegal animal testing, clashed with exploitive corporations, and aided other animal-themed superheroes such as Bawana Beast and Vixen. Witnessing institutional cruelty led Buddy to adopt vegetarianism and become an outspoken activist. Eventually, Buddy joined Justice League Europe. While serving with the team, he gained media attention and public support, though he resigned abruptly after a laboratory fire started by an activist animal rights group he was associated with, injured innocent firefighters. Following this, Buddy's powers became erratic. 

Animals died when he used his abilities and he experienced lapses in control. Buddy eventually became aware of two yellow-skinned observers monitoring his actions, beings that eventually identified themselves as members of an alien race known as the Tailors. They revealed that Buddy had not survived the spacecraft explosion he encountered as a teenager, and that his body had been reconstructed by the Tailors using access to the planet's morphogenic field, which was fused into his rebuilt biological template. His history had been adjusted to stabilize him across shifts in reality, leaving him aware of changes caused by universal restructuring such as Crisis events. As Buddy absorbed this revelation, reality destabilized further. 

He encountered indiviDuels tied to erased histories, witnessed inconsistencies in time, and he became aware that his existence followed authored rules. During this time, corporations threatened by Buddy's activism arranged the assassination of his family, and Ellen, his son Cliff and daughter Maxine were murdered in his absence. Overcome by grief and rage, Buddy tracked down the assassin and the executives behind the plot and killed them. Refusing to accept the loss, Buddy attempted to undo the tragedy using experimental time travel. The attempt failed, scattering him across different eras and further destabilizing reality. After Buddy's failed attempt to alter time destabilized his existence, the Tailors intervened directly and removed Buddy from linear reality. 

During this intervention, Buddy encountered Grant Morrison, the comic author shaping his reality and he was made aware that he was a comic book character. The Tailors soon repaired the timeline, creating a stable configuration in which Ellen, Cliff and Maxine were alive while preventing further collapse. Once the correction was complete, Buddy was returned home at the moment after his family's restoration. Though the specifics of the encounter faded from conscious memory, Buddy retained the emotional weight of their deaths and his actions afterward, permanently altering his outlook and ending his pursuit of power or fame. In the years that followed, Buddy lived between family life and limited heroics, though his powers continued to behave unpredictably. 

During one uncontrolled surge, he unintentionally caused the death of every animal at the San Diego Zoo. In the public backlash that followed, Ellen took the children to Vermont to escape scrutiny while Buddy descended into isolation and despair. Buddy followed his family east encountering shamans who identified him as one of several animal masters, guardians connected to animal life itself. 

They revealed that his daughter Maxine shared his connection and possessed greater potential. Legally declared dead and increasingly withdrawn from public heroics, Buddy continued acting only when necessary, focusing on animal protection and environmental intervention rather than traditional superhero activity. During the Blackest Night event in which the dead across the universe were reanimated as Black Lantern Zombies, Buddy was killed and became a Black Lantern. 

His connection to animal extinction amplified the Blackerings influence over him, causing him to attack both allies and his own family while driven by visions of predation, decay, and death. Buddy was later freed from his condition when the entity representing the white light of life and creation intervened, severing his bonds to death and restoring him. In the aftermath, Buddy briefly served as a white lantern. Following the Flashpoint events reset of DC's continuity, Buddy's powers were no longer the result of alien intervention but of his connection to the Red, the elemental force governing all animal life. The Parliaments of Limbs, ancient totems representing the collective will of animal existence, recognized Buddy as a temporary avatar. 

Buddy lived publicly as an actor and environmental advocate while raising his family in San Diego. When his daughter Maxine began exhibiting abilities tied to animal life, Buddy learned the truth of the Red and its opposing force, the Rocks, an elemental power of decay and death. Three corrupted emissaries of the Rocks, known as the Hunters III, targeted Maxine, believing her to be the Red's future guardian. To protect his family, Buddy entered the Red alongside Maxine, where the Parliament confirmed that Buddy was never meant to permanently hold the mantle of Avatar. As the Rocks' influence spread, Buddy was repeatedly killed and restored, forced to leap through animal forms and reconstruct himself through the Red to return to the physical world. 

Each resurrection deepened his connection to the Red while steadily eroding his physical stability, emotional restraint, and independence. Buddy allied with Swampthink, the Avatar of the Green, to confront Anton Arcane, the Rock's champion. After being trapped within the Rock and later escaping, Buddy returned to a world already suffering widespread devastation. As the Rock corrupted ecosystems and heroes alike, Buddy fought alongside remaining defenders to contain its spread. 

During the final confrontation, Maxine willingly entered the Rock to shield her family, demonstrating control beyond Buddy's own. Together with Swampthink, Buddy defeated Arcane, but the victory came at great cost. Buddy's son Cliff was mortally wounded while protecting his sister and died as a result. 

The loss fractured the Baker family. Ellen withdrew with Maxine, while the Parliament of Limbs severed Buddy's connection to the Red, vanishing him from its influence. Stripped of his powers, Buddy continued investigating animal cruelty and illegal experimentation, relying on experience rather than ability. In time, fragments of Buddy's connection to the Red returned. 

He resumed limited heroic activity, assisting the Justice League when needed and serving as caretaker for displaced alien animal life aboard the Watchtower. He also devoted himself to guiding Maxine as she matured into her role as animal girl and eventual guardian of the Red. And that's Animal Man's backstory. Power-wise, Animal Man is connected to the morphogenic field known as the Red, allowing him to access and combine the physical abilities, instincts, and senses of any animal, while scaling those traits to human proportions. He can enhance his strength, speed, durability, agility, and perception, while also gaining the abilities to regenerate, communicate with animals, and even reshape his body or transfer his consciousness into animal forms. His connection extends beyond Earth to extraterrestrial life, allowing him to gain abilities of alien animal life as well. 

And that's Animal Man. Is he able to tap into multiple abilities at once or is it just one at a time? Yes, he can actually. 

Okay, yeah. His versatility does frighten me a little bit, especially when you consider the fact that he can tap into alien animal abilities, which, what, that makes no sense. I thought the Red and the Green were tied into Earth's fields. 

No, it's a universal thing. That's why Swamp Thing could teleport to other planets. I haven't seen Buddy do alien life too often, because I think it's weird for him, and it may not do it during the speculation, but it has been done. How does he even know what the abilities of alien animal life are? 

Well, he gets sense where he's pulling them from. That's stupid. Does it take longer to tap into them if their galaxy's away? No, I don't believe so. 

It kind of feels like it makes his power set infinite, right? This is stupid. Wow, you sound jealous. Like a jealous bitch. I'll be interested in seeing how that plays out during the speculation if it does it all. It shouldn't, is what I'll say. 

But now that we've got the characters' histories and abilities out of the way, let's speculate on how one of the 1000 simulated matches will go. The winners determined by simulations, not the speculation, but it's fun to imagine how the fight could play out. A.J. and I.K., what are the rules of our speculation? 

Well, I should say there are no rules, other than the characters have no prior knowledge of the other going into the fight. All they are aware of starting out is that the other character is a threat that needs to be eliminated. For the speculation, the contestants will begin approximately 50 meters apart in a nondescript environment that will have no bearing on the match itself, as no environmental statistics are considered in my simulations. The contestants must earn victory on their own merit. 

All right, then let's get into it. Animal man and the lizard meet on the battlefield. Who goes first? I'm going to say that the lizard goes first because he's smart in calculating and everything like that, but he's also ferocious, so he's going to hunch down and zoom across the floor like a cracked out crocodile, and he leaps an animal man and just chomps down right down on his head. All right, but as the lizard is coming for him, animal man is going to quickly burrow underground like a mole, and kicking up all that dust, it's going to be hard for the lizard to see. So as he's like looking around for animal man, that's when animal man is just going to come up from the ground like a trap door spider, pull lizard down with him, and then bite him with this paralyzing venom. I don't think that animal man would have teeth that were sharp enough to get through the lizard's hide. Like bullets can't pierce the lizard. 

I don't think spider fangs can even proportionately. So animal man tries to bite the lizard, but it's like trying to bite through like hardened thick leather, and because of that lizard just slashes out animal man's jugular with his claws, and then crawls out of the hole. Okay, but animal man, he uses the healing ability of an axolotl to heal up his neck, and then he's going to just fly straight out of the hole right into the sky, and he's going to use the sight and diving ability of an eagle, like a golden eagle, to dive bomb the lizard at like 200 miles per hour, and that's going to knock him unconscious. No, lizard uses his tail like a Louisville slugger, and spins around and just whips it at animal man at like 70 miles per hour, but with like way more force. So animal man gets the shit slapped out of him, lands about 100 yards away, but completely unconscious. Okay, but if the lizard noticed animal man dive bombing came from the sky, animal man's eagle like gaze is going to see that he was spotted. So at the last second, animal man is going to take on the weight of an elephant. 

So he doesn't get knocked away, he's just going to land splat on the lizard on the ground. Okay, that would definitely hurt. I feel like it would hurt both of them, right? Like if animal man is crashing into his opponent with the speed of an eagle and the weight of an elephant, they would both get smashed. Okay, okay, let's go with this. Animal man was traveling with the speed of an eagle with the weight of an elephant, but the durability of a cockroach, which could basically fall from like space and be fine. 

So he gets to crawl out of the small crater he probably just created back onto his feet. No problem. Sure. Okay, so animal man is fine. Lizard though, you know, he'll have like a broken tail, probably broken ribs, lots of broken bones all over his body. 

But you know what? He heals. He is regenerative. And to allow him time to do that, he's going to tap into the reptilian complex of animal man's brain activating his flight response. So animal man flees away from the lizard, leaves the scene until he gets about like two miles out, which is the range of lizards psychic reptile control. And also the lizard made animal man flee as slow as a tortoise. So by the time the animal man comes back to the battle, lizards all healed up and ready to get back into the fight. 

Wait, what do you mean as slow as a tortoise? Like, can the lizard control what reptile the human behaves like? No, no, no, no. But like he tapped into animal man's amygdala, which is connected to the red and therefore connected to the greater reptilian kingdom, right? So lizard just inadvertently gave animal man tortoise speed because tortoises are reptiles. It's science. 

Don't worry about a right. Well, animal man, he's going to run back to the battle with the speed of like a thoroughbred horse. And as he approaches lizard, he's going to do this acrobatic flip like a monkey and he's going to spit in his face midair with squid ink that's going to blind lizard. So while lizard is like trying to wipe the ink away, animal man is going to grab him from behind and just overload him with electricity using the power of an electric eel. So lizard just got electrocuted to death. 

Match over. Okay, really like temperatures the lizards weakness because he's cold blooded. So it would make sense that electricity would knock him out, but he also causes reptiles to freak out basically. 

So that's what's going to happen. He freaks out instinctively and just like lashes out in a frenzy of fangs and claws. And that's just going to eviscerate animal man like he was put into a blender just limbs all over the battlefield. And I'm sure the animal man can like regenerate from that. But by that point, lizard has already psychically incapacitated animal man's amygdala. So match over. 

No, no, no, no. Because animal man, you know, with him being aware of the meta reality of this podcast speculation, he's just going to step out of the environment and compress the audio waves that make up the lizards existence until it's silent. So lizards actually gone. What are you talking about? 

Is he like all powerful? That's happening. Shh. 

Silence. That would make him as strong as like a godlike character. If he could just like control reality like that. Hey, he's done it in the comics before he compressed Ultraman into a comic panel. And this is because he can tap into the reality altering powers of alien animals or something. 

Well, yeah, for a time he was outside of reality and has remained aware of his nature. That's stupid. You know what? I'm glad we waited this long for animal man because he's a much worse character than I ever thought he was. We'll go ahead and leave the speculation there either lizard eviscerates animal man and then prevents him from regenerating or animal man pulls some stupid bullshit about the fourth wall. Let's go ahead and input the character stats, run the simulations and come back with a winner. Agenon K hit it. 

Inputting data, running calculations, processing results, simulations complete. 

All right. Yeah, this matchup was kind of comparable to the Vixen versus Craven the Hunter Duel matchup. The biggest difference between lizard and Craven the Hunter, I think statistically was fighting skill. Craven the Hunter is very adept at hand to hand combat, whereas the lizard operates primarily on instinct. Yeah, lizard was kind of a one trick pony as well. Craven had a higher versatility, but not as high as versatility as animal man does. Yeah, there's a ton of stuff that the animal kingdom can do. Everything from like shooting out boiling water at their opponents to camouflaging to stunning with electricity. It's a lot and he could do all of it. There were a lot of things that these two guys were comparable on, including durability. 

Actually, that's it. Lizard was much more intelligent than animal man. Yeah, that by far was the biggest discrepancy. 

Everywhere else, they were pretty much tit for tat. So all things consider Jonathan, who's taken this match? Well, since I did not run a poll yesterday, because I was in the hospital. I have no idea who our listeners would have voted for, but I'd like to think that they would have voted for animal man, because they're smart. I don't think a lot of people know who animal man is. I think a lot of people would have instant name and visual recognition with the lizard and therefore vote for him. Yeah, but I feel like most people who are aware of the lizard are so because of the awful Spider-Man movie, and it would just leave a bad taste in their mouth. 

They wouldn't vote for him. You might be right. I do feel like the Spider-Man movies undersold the lizard, but let's go ahead and see who won. AJ9K, the results, please. 

Here you are, sir. All right, the winner in the Duel matchup between animal man and the lizard is animal man, because he sucks, because he sucks. That's why he won. 

And it wasn't that close. Out of 1000 simulated matches, animal man beat the lizard 68.6% of the time, whereas the lizard only won 31.4% of his matches. Not a strong showing, for as impressive as the lizard is statistically, he just, I guess, cannot compete with all the powers of the animal kingdom and also that bullshit alien power animal thing, whatever. Yeah, animal man is a pretty unique character. What about Vixen? He's more unique than Vixen. The dude met Grant Morrison. Grant Morrison is a bum. You know what? 

I'm just gonna say it. I'm sick of Grant Morrison and all of his weird ideas and dumb meta bullshit. Because of this match, I will forever no longer be a fan of his. I guess Batman and Deadpool met him recently too, which is so dumb. The guy has got to get over himself. 

He's just, he's got to get over himself. Fuck you, Jonathan. Why me? Just because. Let's go out and end this. That does it for this Duel guys. AJ9K, help close this out. 

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All right, guys, like we said earlier, there's only two episodes of the podcast in its current format left, and these next two are huge. Like it does not get bigger. That's right, our next episode is going to be a duel between DC and Marvel. What does that mean? You'll have to tune in next week and find out. It's our last Duel episode. It's our last team Duel episode. So we're going out with a bang. It is the duel to end all duels. That does it for this episode, guys. Thanks again to our former executive producers, and we'll talk to you next week. Up up and away, true believers. 

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