Bizarro vs Abomination

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This is a DynaMic Network Podcast. Hi and welcome
to the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly show where we

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review superhero films and debate the
superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing

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their characters and stat based battle
simulations. I'm Marvelous Joe and I'm his twin

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brother Johnny DC. And in this episode
Abomination is going to beat the Everleaven shit

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out of Bizarro and I'm going to laugh about it. It's
going to be funny to me. I'm going to listen back to

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this episode and have a swell ass time. Dude, you
are never going to learn your lesson, are you? DC's

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just better. Learn. I'm putting positive energy
out there from the get go for Marvel, okay? Because

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you feel you need it? No, because it's just good to
have positive energy for Marvel. It goes out into

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the universe and then it's going to come back to me
when we reveal the results after running the

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simulations on these characters. Well, I guess
we'll see. I'm manifesting it in my brain, in your

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butthole. That too. Join us later on this episode
as we input the character stats and find out who

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would actually win in a fight between these two
characters. Before that matchup, we're going to

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break down the latest comic book movie news to come
out this past week of which we have two news items

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and that was that the Penguin won nine Emmy Awards
and actually on the comic book news side, we're

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going to discuss the Deadpool Batman crossover
issue. We're not going to give spoilers away.

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We're just going to talk about what was inside of it
and what we thought of it. Yeah, looking forward to

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that. We've never talked about comics, but we
figured this is a special occasion. But as always,

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popular video game characters. In yesterday's
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Metal. Over on the Max Destruction podcast, hosts
Scotty and Gilly pit your favorite action heroes

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from film and television against each other. On
Wednesday, they're going to find out who would win

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between Michael Jordan of Space Jam and LeBron
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Syndrome World podcast, host Zachary Hepburn
speculates on fights between fan favorite anime

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and manga characters. In his next episode, Zach is
revealing who would win between Whitebeard and

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Kampachi, both from One Piece. Visit
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podcast network. But with that out of the way,

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quick to the no prize. A no prize is an award that
Marvel used to give out to fans. Our version, the

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Dynamic Dual No Prize, is a digital award we post on
Instagram for the person that we feel gave the best

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answer to our question of the week. And just a heads
up, I am way behind on posting these no prizes to

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Instagram. I've been busy with work, but slowly
trying to catch up. At this point, you're going to

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spend the rest of your life catching up. Maybe.
Yeah. I suck. I know. All right. Last week we asked

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you guys, besides Marvel and DC, what is your
favorite film franchise of all time and why? And

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that's coming off of the variety report on current
film franchises that we discussed last week. We

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got five answers. So let's run down our honorable
mentions as well as the no prize winner. Our first

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honorable mention goes to Alex Albro, who said,
Hey guys, my favorite franchise of all time is Star

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Wars, probably more so than Marvel and DC, to be
honest. Caviar, though, it's pre Disney. There's

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been a few things that Disney's put out that are
okay, but I really prefer the George Lucas stuff so

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much so I can quote the movies to you pretty much
without watching them. I've read a lot of the lore

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and legends books as they're called now. Even in
fifth grade for a writing assignment, I wrote

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about a 20-ish page script for episode seven
because it had yet to come out. So just based on head

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knowledge and canon. So yeah, I feel like I used to
be a fan of Star Wars until Disney ruined it. Like

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they ruin everything they touch. I thought your
favorite Star Wars movie was Rogue One, which was

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produced after the Disney acquisition. Is that
true? Shit. Yes. Mandalorian's great. Rogue One

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was great. I will put out a controversial takeout
there. I actually liked The Last Jedi. Brother,

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ew! Why brother? Ew. I really like the end of that
movie when Luke Skywalker went all badass on Kylo

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Ren, you know? He like force projected himself
over the galaxy. I thought that was a really cool

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moment. It was everything I wanted to see in a
badass Luke Skywalker Jedi moment. I know that,

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you know, that story didn't even come close to
touching what was in the novels though. Oh yeah,

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with like Mara Jade and their sign and stuff like
that? Yeah. They should have just went with that.

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They should have just went with that. Did not like
Force Awakens and thought Rise of Skywalker was

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pretty meh. I feel like everybody has an opinion on
Star Wars though. So like basically nobody is

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going to agree with my three takes right there. Oh
yeah, I've gotten flack for saying that Rogue One

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is the best Star Wars movie, even though I'm right.
Great answer, Alex. Our next honorable mention

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goes to Kylo, who said. Hi guys. My favorite film
franchise has to be The Hunger Games because they

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have really good characters and I love the world
that the author Susan Collins built. And the

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movies are really, like really good. So I cannot
recommend them enough if you haven't seen them.

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But yeah, that's my answer. Thank you. Yeah, my
daughter is a huge fan of The Hunger Game

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franchise. She's read all of the books. I've seen
the movies multiple times because she has. I

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didn't love the first one when I sat in the theaters
because I thought it was kind of anti climactic and

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Katniss was kind of passive when it comes to
heroism. But the later films I thought were

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actually really good. I'm a huge fan of the
director Francis Lawrence, who also directed

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Constantine. I've only seen the first Hunger
Games movie, which I thought was decent enough.

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And I just went on living my life and not seeing the
other ones. Is that a mistake? Um, yeah, you should

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watch them. They're not bad. I'm just going to
continue living all my life, I think. OK, great

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answer, Kylo. Our final honorable mention goes to
Lorenzo Valdez, who said. Besides DC and Marvel,

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my all time favorite film franchise is The
Wizarding World. I love coming of age stories and

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much like with DC and Marvel, it was a huge part of my
childhood. Clona Forever and always. Bye bye. OK,

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so my wife is a huge fan of the Harry Potter series.
She grew up with the books and the movies. And

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before I met her, I had only seen the first Harry
Potter and I thought it sucked. And it still does

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suck to this date is my least favorite Harry Potter
film. And then I went and watched the rest of those

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films and they got progressively darker and
progressively more mature. And I really got into

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them by the last few films. So yeah, I'm a big fan,
too. So I've only seen like the first two movies. I

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watched them and then I kind of just went on living
my life. Yeah, I'm a stay. Yeah, I would say that's a

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mistake because the latter stories get really
like thematic and existential and dark, like dark

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as hell, like depressingly dark. Even I was
surprised just to how like depressed these kids

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get. And I'll probably just end up living my life.
I'll watch Hunger Games if you finish watching the

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Harry Potter movies and we'll come to a consensus
on which franchise is better. How is that even

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fair? There's way more Harry Potter movies. Ain't
nobody got time for that. There's only like six of

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them. Yeah, including the Fantastic Beasts
movies. Oh, yeah, the first Fantastic Beasts

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movie was OK. I didn't like the latter two, though.
But yeah, you got to watch those two. Great answer,

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Lorenzo. But the winner of this week's no prize is
actually split between two people who gave the

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same answer and that would be CJ Kraft and Brandon
Estregard, who said, hey, guys, CJ Kraft here and

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my favorite film franchise of all time. Without
question is the Evil Dead because it's Groovy

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Duck. And Ash has actually been in the Marvel
comics and Marvel zombies, where he was eaten by my

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favorite Marvel character. How are the duck only
for the real Ash to come in and kill that? How are the

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duck? If that's not awesome enough to want to be in
the best, I don't know what it is. Hey, guys,

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besides DC or Marvel, I'm a huge horror movie fan.
And my favorite horror movie franchise is the Evil

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Dead series. They do start off pretty campy with
the first ones, the Sam Raimi ones. And then the

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intensity just dials up to a fucking 11 with Fadea
Alvarez's and then to a 20 with Lee Cronin's. So

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yeah, favorite franchise of all time. Yeah, I've
seen about half of the Evil Dead movies, and I'll

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agree that they are damn solid. The Sam Raimi films
are campy. I haven't seen Army of Darkness because

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I heard that it wasn't that scary, but I'll
definitely have to check it out at some point. And I

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haven't seen the latest one, Evil Dead Rises yet,
because I don't know, it looked really scary. And

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so I'm kind of just like waiting for a time when I'm
ready to be that scared, probably around this

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Halloween. The only Evil Dead movie I've seen is
the original Sam Raimi one. I haven't seen the

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sequels to that, like Army of Darkness or anything
like that. Although I've heard they're pretty

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good. Pretty much classics. I basically refused
to see the new ones after seeing the red band

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trailer for the Fadea Alvarez directed one. F
that. Yeah, they're pretty gruesome for sure. But

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I'm glad you guys like them. So congrats on the win,
both CJ and Brandon. If you, the listener, want a

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shot at winning Girono Prize, stay tuned to later
on this episode when we'll be asking another

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question of the week. And now that that's done, on
to the news. OK, last week, actress Kristen

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Miliotti, who played Sophia Felcone in the
Penguin television series for HBO Max, won the

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Emmy for Outstanding Gleed Actress in a Limited or
Anthology Series or Movie, which is awesome. Of

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course, the Emmys, if you're not familiar with
them, are essentially like the Oscars for

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television. It is the most prestigious award that
television creators can receive. And the Penguin

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won nine of them. Nine. How many Emmys did Marvel
win this past year? Zero. They won zero to nine.

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Feel bad, Marvel fans. Feel real bad. Of the nine
Emmys, the Penguin also won for costumes, for hair

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styling, for makeup, for prosthetic makeup, for
music composition, for sound editing, sound

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mixing and Outstanding Special Visual Effects,
which again, suck it, Marvel, with your Agatha All

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Alongs and your Echoes and X-Men 97s. I'm sorry.
Were you saying something? I was really paying

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attention. Yeah, you wouldn't be, because you
know it's a boring story, man. OK, this is a boring

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story. You talking about the Emmys or something?
Yeah. Yeah, I guess those are cool. I am a little bit

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bummed that X-Men 97 did not win Outstanding
Animated Program and that Agatha All Along didn't

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win any awards either. I thought those were two
really solid shows. But yeah, I mean, if you like

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Emmys, whatever. Oh, hell, yeah, bro, the Penguin
loves its Emmys. Ew, it was a fantastic show. We

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gave it five stars when we reviewed it on this
podcast. Yeah, it's pretty good if you like that

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kind of thing. There were originally no plans to do
a season two, and it has been stated that Sophie

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Falcone will not appear in the Batman sequel. But I
would love to see more from Christian Miliotti's

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character. So fingers crossed for the Penguin
season two. Apparently, the Penguin is an HBO's 10

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highest rated TV shows of all time, and it deserves
to be because it's awesome. Oh my god, let's move on

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to the real news here. OK, in actual news this past
week, the Deadpool Batman comic book hit stores,

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and it is the first Marvel DC crossover to happen in
probably about two decades. I think I can't

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remember the exact year that JLA Adventures came
out, but it was definitely the mid 2000s. And that

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was a solid, solid run. And of course, it was
preceded by the Marvel versus DC crossover that

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happened in the mid 90s. Both of those comic book
arcs were like multi issue stories. The Deadpool

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Batman crossover comic that came out this past
week is actually more of a series of one shots

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between Marvel and DC characters. The first
story, of course, is Deadpool and Batman. And I

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fucking loved that story. It was basically
everything you would ever want in a Deadpool

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Batman crossover. Deadpool was hilarious.
Batman was badass. It was just perfection the way

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they pulled that story together. But to my
surprise, there were six other short stories

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within that issue. It was a pretty big issue. But
following Deadpool Batman, you got a Captain

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America Wonder Woman crossover, which was pretty
good. It kind of treated the Marvel and DC

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universes as if they were one single universe and
explored the relationship between Steve Rogers

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and Diana Prince. Then there was Jeff, the Land
Shark and Crypto crossover, where the two play

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catch. There was Daredevil and Green Arrow, which
was written by Kevin Smith, the acclaimed film

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director, who also wrote runs for Green Arrow and
Daredevil. There was an arc with Rocket Raccoon

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and Green Lantern, where Rocket Raccoon gets the
Green Lantern ring and Green Lantern gets the

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Infinity Gauntlet and kind of explores what would
happen there. There was an old man Logan and

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Batman, the Dark Knight Returns version
crossover that was written by Frank Miller. And

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goddamn, that was awful. Frank Miller is just
getting so bad at drawing and writing. It's just it

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was really disappointing, that particular short
story. It was only like two pages, two. Yeah, it's

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sad to see he probably should have quit while he was
on top. Yeah. The final crossover episode kind of

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revisits the amalgam universe from the 90s
crossover event where Marvel and DC characters

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fused into single beings. Like you had characters
like Dark Claw, who was a merger of Batman and

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Wolverine. This particular short story focuses
on Logo, who is a crossover between Wolverine and

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Lobo, the bounty hunter. And that is fantastic
because he has those chain hook things coming out

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of his hands and he could shoot them out to capture
bad guys. It's really badass. Yeah, I got to love

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those amalgam characters. All in all, while I have
been dying for another full on crossover event

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between Marvel and DC, these one off shorts did
satiate my appetite for having the two universes

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go head to head. And they're not done because the
second part of the Batman and Deadpool story will

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be released in mid November. Yeah, I'm really
looking forward to that one. If you guys haven't

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picked up the issue yet from your local comic book
store, be sure to do that or read it online. If you

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can, if you're a fan of Deadpool or you're a fan of
Batman, it's absolutely worth your time,

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especially since the comic book ties into our
question of the week. What was your favorite story

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within the Deadpool Batman crossover comic? And
why? Record your answer at dynamic duel.com by

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that person a dynamic duel, no prize that will post
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27th. But that does it for all the news for this
episode. So let's go ahead and get into the main

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event where we find out who would win in a fight
between the Superman villain of Bizarro and the

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Hulk villain Abomination. All right, Bizarro
versus Abomination. This is in effect a Superman

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versus Hulk matchup, which we have not gotten to
yet, but was featured in the 90s crossover event

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between Marvel and DC. Superman and Hulk fought
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and go with the villains. And I think this will be a
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Abomination is stronger than the Hulk and smarter
than Savage Hulk, at least. And Bizarro is not as

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powerful as a regular Superman. So I think
everything's going to kind of balance out in the

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stats. I don't know if that's fair to say. I would
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intelligent, unfortunately, in some
iterations. But yeah, these are essentially the

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dark mirror counterparts of the heroes that they
battle against. They're both insanely strong and

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I'm excited to see who's going to win this.
Abomination, of course, was the main antagonist

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of the incredible Hulk film starring Edward
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played by Tim Roth in that film. We've seen him
subsequently in some other projects like

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Shang-Chi and The Legend of the Ten Rings and the
She-Hulk television series. And the jury is still

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out as to whether or not the clone in the Superman
movie could be considered Bizarro. But the

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character has been in live action shows like
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we're going to find out who's going to win between
the two characters to explain the methodology

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behind our duels. Let's go to our sentient dual
simulator, Alfred Jarvis 9000. AJ and NK, tell our

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listeners how you go about determining a winner in
our dual matchups. Yes, of course, sir. The way I

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determine a winner between the contestants is by
running 1000 Monte Carlo simulations using the

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characters statistics. A Monte Carlo simulation
is a probabilistic model used to determine

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outcomes through random sampling. In this case, I
randomize the statistics along a normal

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distribution as a way to simulate the many
variables that can occur during battle. The stat

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parameters are based on the official Marvel power
grid from which the DC characters statistics are

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extrapolated. Additional stat categories are
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versatility and perception in order to create a
more detailed and accurate simulation. The

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results of the 1000 simulations provide a
percentage of wins for each character. The

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contestant with the higher percentage is
declared the victor as they have a higher

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probability to win any given battle. In an
equitable pairing, neither character should win

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100% of the matches. The comic book stories have
shown that there's even a way for Batman to defeat

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Superman. So the confidence rate of my method
falls in line with the precedents that have been

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established in the source material. My
mathematical simulations are without

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subjectivity or bias. Feats are not the sole
consideration, nor a fan votes tabulated for

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determination of the winner. Thanks, AJ9K.
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to break down each character's histories and
abilities before improvising a scenario on how we

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imagine one of the 1000 simulations would play out
beat for beat. And I believe it's my turn to start

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off with the DC character. So let me tell you all
about Bizarro. The original Bizarro was created

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during an experiment by Professor Dalton, a
visiting scientist at Smallville High School who

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was demonstrating a duplication rate that he
invented. When the ray was accidentally fired at

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Superboy, it produced a flawed, imperfect
duplicate. The duplicate had chalk white skin,

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exaggerated features and distorted logic,
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Confused and unintentionally dangerous, this
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despite believing he was doing good. Ultimately,
he sacrificed himself to save a blind girl named

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Melissa, whose sight was restored moments before
his death. Years later, a new Bizarro emerged when

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Lex Luthor recreated the duplicator ray and used
it on Superman. This new Bizarro, possessing all

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of Superman's powers, but twisted in mind and
morality, became obsessed with being Superman's

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equal. Speaking in opposites and seeing heroism
through a backward lens, Bizarro caused chaos and

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metropolis in his attempts to help. He eventually
created a Bizarro duplicate of Lois Lane and

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traveled to a cube shaped Bizarro world that he
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where everything operated under reversed logic.
He founded the Bizarro Justice League and ruled

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Hitre with Bizarro Lois, enforcing nonsensical
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Bizarro World would later be destroyed, however,
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Just before their world exploded, Bizarro and
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ship that they blasted into the core of the planet,
ensuring he'd die first, before they and all the

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other Bizarros were blown apart along with their
world. Following the crisis on Infinite Earth,

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Bizarro's history was reimagined. In this
continuity, Lex Luthor again created Bizarro as a

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clone of Superman using synthetic protoplasm and
Kryptonian DNA. The experiment was conducted in

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secrecy and intended to produce a controllable
Superman duplicate. However, the cloning

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process proved unstable. The resulting being was
malformed and mentally stunted with decaying

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flesh and fragmented cognition. Luthor
dismissed the creature as a failure, but Bizarro

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escaped containment and sought to fulfill what he
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This version of Bizarro tried to take over Clark
Kent's life, kidnapping Lois Lane and attempting

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to win her affection. His warped sense of identity
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real Superman, who tried to help him without
killing the misguided clone. Their battles

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caused widespread destruction, but Bizarro
ultimately died protecting Lois from a

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collapsing building, sacrificing himself in a
final moment of clarity. Later, Bizarro was

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resurrected by Cadmus as part of a secret
government initiative to create a controllable

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Superman. He returned as a more monstrous and
erratic figure with fluctuating levels of power

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and cognitive deterioration. His presence
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Superman and other heroes, including Superboy,
who saw Bizarro as a disturbing reflection of his

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own cloned origin. Bizarro eventually joined the
Superman revenge squad alongside Mongol, Cyborg

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Superman, Eradicator, and others. They launched
a coordinated assault on Superman with Bizarro

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tasked with distracting or neutralizing him,
through brute force. During one of these battles,

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Bizarro formed an uneasy bond with a mentally
unstable woman named Tracer, whose inverted

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logic mirrored his own. Their relationship was
tragically cut short during an encounter with the

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Justice League, which led to Bizarro's
incarceration. The original pre-crisis version

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of Bizarro, known as Bizarro number one, was later
summoned by Alexander Luther Jr. to fight

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Superman alongside other multiversal villains.
Though initially cooperative, Bizarro's

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distorted reasoning led him to attack his allies
and enemies alike, proving too unpredictable

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even for those who had recruited him. At various
points, Bizarro's condition worsened and his

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body began to degrade as his cloned physiology
lacked long-term stability. He was housed in star

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labs for observation, but repeatedly escaped,
leading to more erratic appearances and violent

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clashes with Superman. Each time, he showed
flashes of conscience and even affection,

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especially toward Lois Lane, but remained a
tragic and unstable figure. Following the

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Flashpoint reset of DC continuity after multiple
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created the first viable clone designated
B-Zero. Grown in a laboratory and accelerated

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through artificial aging, the clone rapidly
matured but deteriorated just as quickly. Within

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weeks, the imperfect cloning process produced a
bizarro-like creature with chalk white skin,

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limited intellect, and reversed speech
patterns. Though initially kept hidden by

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Luther, the creature broke free after exhibiting
unpredictable behavior and enormous

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destructive capability. He went on a rampage
across Metropolis, drawing Superman's

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attention. Unlike previous versions, this
bizarro displayed animalistic rage and had

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trouble distinguishing a friend from foe. During
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creature's suffering and sought to help it, even
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Ultimately, the clone died in Superman's arms,
its final gesture being a backwards ass drawn on

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Superman's chest with its own blood. Later, Lex
Luther recreated the project, this time

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incorporating kryptonite into the cloning
process in an attempt to stabilize the genetic

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template. The resulting bizarro was stronger,
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After a brief conflict with Superman, he was
ultimately taken into custody by the Justice

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League and contained in a secure facility. This
version of bizarro was freed during a raid on the

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facility by Black Manta, who inducted him into the
Seeker Society of Supervillains. He fought with

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the villains against the Justice League, but was
eventually subdued. Lex Luther created yet

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another bizarro Superman clone in a lab with
Geneticon Industries. Slated for termination,

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this bizarro was instead purchased by Black Mask,
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While initially obedient, Bizarro's behavior
gradually shifted after he was paired with Red

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Hood and Artemis on a mission for Black Mask. The
trio ultimately rebelled, forming their own team

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known as the Outlaws. And you of course can learn
more about Black Mask and Red Hood and their

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respective duels against Madame Mask and the
Punisher. Though slow-witted and frequently

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confused, this bizarro showed increasing
emotional depth and self-awareness as Red Hood

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and Artemis treated him as an equal. Bizarro began
to see himself not as a failed clone, but as his own

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person. After consuming books and classical
music and exposure to synthetic kryptonite,

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Bizarro temporarily became a genius, even
constructing a floating base called the Bizarro

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Sphere. His intelligence eventually began to
fade, but the friendship he formed with Jason Todd

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and Artemis remained. During a mission to stop the
villains solitary, Bizarro sacrificed himself

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to save his teammates, plummeting into an
alternate dimension. However, he later returned

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alive, having survived through unexplained
means and rejoined the Outlaws. And that's his

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history so far. Powers-wise, Bizarro possesses
many powers similar to Superman's, such as

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immense strength, durability, flight, and super
speed. Though unlike Superman's heat vision,

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Bizarro emits freeze vision from his eyes, and
instead of cold breath, he expels flames from his

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mouth. His enhanced senses also function
somewhat unreliably. He has X-ray vision, for

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example, but can only see through lead. He's weak
to blue kryptonite, but his greatest handicap is

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his deteriorated mind and its interpretation of
the world around him. And that's Bizarro. Most of

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the Bizarros, I would say, have more similarities
than differences, so I'm going with kind of a

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generic composite Bizarro, and not any one in
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Yeah, probably not that one. Bizarro shouldn't be
angry, in my opinion. He should just be kind of

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confused and think he's always doing the right
thing when he's really not. Yeah, he would

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probably object to this being a battle of villains
and see it more as him trying to stop the villain

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that is Abomination. Yeah, totally. Bizarro does
not think of himself as a villain. Well, let me get

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into Abomination's backstory. Emil Blonsky was
born in Zagreb, Yugoslavia, and worked as a spy and

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KGB agent during the Cold War. A communist
loyalist, he was tasked with infiltrating the

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United States Air Force Base in New Mexico,
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The base housed the research of nuclear physicist
Bruce Banner, whose experiments with gamma

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radiation had already resulted in his
transformation into the Hulk, whom you can learn

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more about in his duel against Doomsday. Ordered
to sabotage American military missiles, Blonsky

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made several attempts but was repeatedly
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His mission escalated when he attempted to take
Ross's daughter, Betty, hostage, but he was

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forced to retreat. Soon after, Banner attempted
to kill himself with a lethal gamut device, as the

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Hulk was suffering under the control of the
enigmatic cosmic being known as the Stranger.

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Blonsky, spying inside Banner's laboratory,
unknowingly exposed himself to the machine. The

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concentrated radiation transformed him into a
monster larger and stronger than the Hulk. Betty

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Ross, horrified, declared him an abomination,
the name that Blonsky embraced. Unlike Banner,

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who could return to his human form, Blonsky was
permanently trapped in his mutated body.

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Initially stronger than the Hulk at his baseline,
he also retained his full human intelligence.

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Revealing in this power, Blonsky nearly killed
the Hulk in their first encounter and kidnapped

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Betty Ross, prompting General Ross to work
alongside Banner to stop him. Banner used a gamma

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weapon to weaken the abomination, though it only
halved his power before the Hulk destroyed the

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device. The Stranger, impressed by the Hulk's
heroism and the abomination's strength,

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transported Blonsky off-world to his laboratory
world, intending to use him as a pawn. On the

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Stranger's world, the abomination remained
imprisoned until sorcerers on Earth summoned him

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as a weapon against the Silver Surfer. Blonsky
rebelled, injuring his summoners, and battling

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the Surfer before being returned to his cell.
Manipulating the Stranger's technology, he

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transported Thor to the planet and tried to lead an
uprising among the captives, but Thor turned

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against him and left him. Blonsky later escaped
the Stranger's cells and became first mate aboard

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the Starship Andromeda, captained by Cybor, a
space pirate robot on the hunt for a colossal alien

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monster called Kaatu on Earth. After arriving in
the planet's orbit, the starship came across

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Bruce Banner. Blonsky and the Hulk fought
bitterly until their vessel clashed with Kaatu.

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Both monsters plummeted back to Earth during the
battle, where Blonsky entered a coma upon impact

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and remained buried for years until a missile test
revived him. Reservicing, the Abomination

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allied with General Ross and clashed with the Hulk
repeatedly. He briefly teamed with another of

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Hulk's foes, the Rhino, attempting to destroy
Hulk Buster Base with a gamma bomb. You can learn

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more about the Rhino in his duel against Cheetah.
Their scheme was thwarted, and the Hulk forced the

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villains into colliding with each other. Later,
Ross implanted what Blonsky believed was a bomb

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into his skull to force him into obedience, but the
device was only a camera. The Abomination

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manipulated the Hulk into helping him seize the
Kennedy Space Center, where he tried to ransom the

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facility before being defeated again.
Attempting to escape in a rocket, Blonsky was

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stranded in space. He was recovered by the Galaxy
Master, an immense energy being the enslaved

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civilizations. Empowered with even greater
strength, the Abomination became the Galaxy

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Master's enforcer, earning the name Ravager of
Worlds. When the Sagittarian Empress, Daedra,

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recruited champions to stop him, they included
the Hulk, who battled Blonsky until his rage made

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him stronger than the empowered Abomination. The
Galaxy Master withdrew the power it had granted

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Blonsky, leaving him vulnerable to defeat. After
another stint stranded in space, Blonsky was

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cryogenically contained on Earth under Ross's
orders. The villain Modak, seeking to control

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Blonsky, mentally tortured and forced him into
battle against the Hulk. Despite his mental

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coercion, Blonsky failed against the Hulk and
Modak disintegrated him. You can learn more about

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Modak and his duel against Hector Hammond. The
villain Tyrannus, existing in a disembodied

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state, merged his atoms with Blonsky's scattered
essence to restore a body. Initially, Blonsky

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enjoyed a human form again while Tyrannus
controlled the Abomination's body. Eventually,

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Blonsky's mind was returned to his mutated form,
though the transfer left him savage and merely

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mindless. He fought Spider-Man and She-Hulk
across New York City until She-Hulk forced him to

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retreat. Over time, his faculties returned and he
entered into an uneasy service with the leader,

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another gamma-mutated enemy of the Hulk. During
one battle, the Hulk threw Blonsky into

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irradiated waste, scarring his body
permanently. Disfigured and embittered,

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Blonsky descended into the sewers of New York,
where he gathered a community of homeless

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outcasts and mutants who came to view him as a
protector. Blonsky's life underground brought

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him moments of purpose, but also tragedy, as
clashes with police led to the deaths of many under

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his care. He encountered several heroes in this
period, including the Submariner and the mutant

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Nate Gray, known as X-Man. He also crossed paths
with time travelers from a future ruled by the

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Tyrant Hulk known as the Maestro, whom you can
learn more about in his duel with Kingdom Come

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Superman. Though Blonsky sought solace in his
subterranean kingdom, his hatred of the Hulk

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endured. That hatred reached its darkest
expression when Blonsky murdered Betty Ross,

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Bruce Banner's wife. Consumed by envy of Banner's
marriage, he poisoned Betty through her dialysis

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machine with his gamma-irradiated blood, making
it appear as if the Hulk was responsible. Betty's

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father, General Ross, uncovered the truth, and
the abomination's crime shattered any illusions

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of kinship he believed he shared with Banner. The
Hulk confronted him, but rather than killing him,

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offered forgiveness. A response Blonsky could
not endure. Blonsky was eventually imprisoned,

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forced to relive his lost humanity through
recordings of his past with his wife Nadia, who

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believed he had died after his initial gamma
exposure. A shadow organization run by the leader

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later released him, manipulating both him and
Nadia into opposing roles. She sought vengeance

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for her abuse during their marriage, while
Blonsky was promised a reunion. Their

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confrontation ended in another battle with the
Hulk, who had befriended Nadia and again defeated

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the abomination. During the Hulk's absence from
Earth while being sent away by a hero group known as

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the Illuminati, Blonsky clashed with She-Hulk
and several Avengers. He was defeated and taken

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into shield custody. Blonsky escaped, but his
life came to a brutal end when he encountered the

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Red Hulk in Russia. You can learn more about the Red
Hulk in his duel against the General. Unaware that

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this new Hulk was actually General Ross
transformed by gamma power, Blonsky was savagely

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beaten and shot dead with a gamma powered gun. His
body did not rest, as he was resurrected by the

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Shinto God of Evil known as the Chaos King during a
war among deities. The Chaos King empowered

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Blonsky with new abilities to confront the Hulk
and his allies, and though he fought fiercely, he

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was destroyed once again when the embodiment of
death itself annihilated him. However, even this

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was not his final chapter. An ancient secret
society recovered his remains, fusing them with

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gamma tissue from the Hulk to create a mindless
abomination husk that they used as a weapon. This

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creature was eventually launched into space by
the Avengers. Later, the covert program Shadow

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Base retrieved and experimented with his corpse.
When its leader, General 14, merged with

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abomination tissue, Blonsky was resurrected
with in 14's altered body. Now able to shift

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between his traditional form and a new,
Lovecraftian form, he established Project

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Greenspring, distributing gamma graphs through
a supplement called Fortify. His operation drew

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the attention of Gamma Flight, a Hulk task force
who opposed Blonsky's efforts. More recently,

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Blonsky was reverted to a standard form and joined
Mayor Kingpin's government-sponsored

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Thunderbolts during Fisk's crackdown on
superheroes in New York. Alongside other

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villains, he participated in missions such as
capturing the Purple Man's children. And that is

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the abomination's backstory. Powers-wise,
Abomination has immensely enhanced physicality

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derived from his gamma-irradiated physiology.
He's super strong, able to lift an excess of 100

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tons, and is highly durable to the point of
invulnerability. Should he be injured, he has a

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regenerative healing factor. He can run at
superhuman speeds and leap many miles in a single

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bound. As a former spy for the Soviet Union, he is
skilled at espionage and his training enhanced to

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hand combat. He's had quite the history. What does
his Lovecraftian version look like? Oh, that was

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crazy. So it was like, you remember the Demigorgan
from Stranger Things Season 1? Yeah. It was like

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that, but big and green. And Emile's face and
General Fourteen's face were like in the center of

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that weird mouth face thing. Interesting. Yeah,
it was during the immortal Hulk run. That turned

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into quite the Lovecraftian story in itself. That
sounds like an abomination, very fitting for his

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name. Yeah, yeah. But that's not the version
you're going with. Correct. All right then, well

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now that we've got their histories and abilities
out of the way, let's speculate on how one of the

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1000 simulated matches will go. The winner is
determined by simulations, not the speculation,

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but it's fun to imagine how this fight could play
out. AJ9K, what are the rules over speculation?

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Well I should say there are no rules other than the
characters have no prior knowledge of the other

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going into the fight. All they are aware of
starting out is that the other character is a

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threat that needs to be eliminated. For the
speculation, the contestants will begin

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approximately 50 meters apart in a nondescript
environment that will have no bearing on the match

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itself, as no environmental statistics are
considered in my simulations. The contestants

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must earn victory on their own merit. All right
then, let's get into it. Bizarro and the

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abomination meet on the battlefield. Who goes
first? Okay I'm gonna say Bizarro starts off just

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by looking at abomination and right away he's
gonna be like, you am very handsome. We be bad

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enemies, no? This bad enemies mean best friends?
Yeah, good friends. Okay, okay. All right so

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Bizarro's gonna fly over to shake abomination's
hand then and abomination's gonna grab and crush

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his hand in his grasp and then just ragged all
slammer Bizarro into the ground repeatedly and

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it's just gonna like smash up the ground all around
him, turning everything around him into like

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gravel by like the size of boulders. Okay, Bizarro
gets ragdolled. That's not gonna hurt him too

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much. He's probably actually just overjoyed
thinking that abomination wants to play with him

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or something like that. He's like, oh me found bad
enemy. So Bizarro, he's gonna return the favor by

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grabbing one of abomination's ankles with his
other hand as he's being slammed downward and he's

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gonna fly abomination straight up into the air
before spinning really fast like a top and just

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hurling abomination straight downward like a
comet right into the ground causing this massive

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crater. Okay, if he throws him into the ground, the
impact is gonna launch all those broken boulder

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pieces like up into the air and they're gonna fly up
and a few of them are gonna hit Bizarro on their way

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up and as they fall back down, you know, it's
raining boulders all over the battlefield.

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Bizarro is dodging them in the air and he's
wondering where his friend went and then all of a

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sudden, abomination leaps up and puts Bizarro
into a headlock from behind and then just like pile

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drives him back down into the ground creating, you
know, this even larger crater and resulting in

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this just massive hail storm of boulders falling
from the sky again. Okay, by this point, Bizarro

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assumes that the object of the game they're
playing is just to cause the other as much pain as

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possible. So Bizarro, when he lifts his head out of
the ground, he's going to instantly blast

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abomination with his flame breath just melting
his skin. Flame? Okay, I don't know how hot this

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flame breath is. I guess it's as hot as heat vision,
right? Right. So that would hurt abomination for

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sure. Maybe it might melt him a little bit, but he's
scaly, you know, he's somewhat armored, he's

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durable. So the melting is going to be minor,
especially because abominations immediately

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going to jam his fist down Bizarro's mouth, just
knocking out all his teeth and like his fist is

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going to cork the flames. All right, well,
Bizarro, he's probably going to think that

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abomination just wants his teeth or something
like that. So after using his super breath to spit

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out abominations fist really fast from his mouth,
causing abomination to punch himself in the face,

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Bizarro is going to follow up by spitting his teeth
out abomination like they were watermelon seeds,

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but as fast as bullets. Bullets don't really hurt
abomination. These teeth are not going to hurt him

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either. And abominations actually going to
thunderclap his hands together, which is going to

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create this concussive shockwave, like a blast of
dynamite that's going to just rattle his already

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rattled brain inside his skull. I mean, this
shockwave that he generates, that's just going to

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make Bizarro happy. He's like enemy and clapping
for Bizarro. But then he's going to get sad right

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away because he has no more teeth to give him. And so
he's going to start crying like really hard. And

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that's going to trigger his freeze vision aimed
right at abomination. And that's going to freeze

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him in place. And when Bizarro goes up to
abomination to give his friend a comforting hug,

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he's going to squeeze him too tight. And that's
going to shatter abomination into little bits. So

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match over. So he's going to squeeze his friend too
tight, shattering him to bits. I've seen

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abomination get frozen once before, I think, by
like Iceman. But he like broke out of it

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immediately because he's like so strong. And I
think because his body emits too much camera

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radiation to even stay cool in ice. So as Bizarro
tries to bear hug abomination, abomination

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breaks out of the ice, grabs Bizarro's head and
just turns it all the way around like Superman and

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Man of Steel. That's odd. Well, I'm going to say,
even if the ice does a whole abomination, it holds

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him long enough for Bizarro to use his super speed
to hug him. So Bizarro still wins. Well, let's

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leave the match there and put in the stats. Either
Bizarro thinks abomination is his friend and bear

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hugs him and shatters him while frozen or
abomination escapes the ice and pulls a man of

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steel on the guy. We'll run the simulations and
find out who's going to come out as the winner. AJ9K

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hit it. Inputting data, running calculations,
processing results, simulations complete. All

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right, as I said before, when I was speculating on
who would win this fight, abomination definitely

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came out ahead of Bizarro in terms of intelligence
and fighting skill, considering that Emil

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Blonsky was trained as a KGB spy. That also said,
abomination didn't have a whole lot more going for

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him compared to Bizarro. Yeah, Bizarro, we said,
is faster, has a greater range, has a higher

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perception and higher versatility. Abomination
is essentially a one trick pony. He punches

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things. Yeah, which makes him not that impressive
statistically. They need to give him something

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like glowing radiation fists or something like
that, where he could shoot out gamma energy or

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something. Yeah, that was an ability that Rick
Jones had. But yeah, they should give that to

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abomination. Yeah, otherwise, abomination is
just like a not as good version of the Hulk, which I

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guess you can make the same argument for Bizarro.
Well, I mean, abomination is stronger than the

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Hulk, you know, base level Hulk. That's true.
Well, taking all of these stats into

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consideration, Joseph, who do you think came out
on top? Wouldn't you like to know? That's why I'm

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asking. It could be abomination, could not be.
Maybe just mind your business. And stop asking me

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questions. We did ask our Instagram followers the
same question, and 72 percent of them think that

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Bizarro is going to win. That is a lot. It's too
much, I think. How do you feel about that? I said,

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stop asking me questions, didn't I? All right,
well, let's find out who won. AJ9K, the results,

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please. Hey, you are, sir. The winner of the
matchup between Bizarro and Abomination is

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Bizarro by a figure that's not too far off from our
Instagram poll. Out of 1000 simulated matches,

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Bizarro won 717 or 71.7 percent of the time
compared to Abomination, who only won 28.3

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percent of the time. Whose idea was this matchup?
Was it mine? I'm not sure, but it was a bad idea

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whoever gave it. Maybe it was mine. I really
thought Abomination considering that, you know,

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he's not slow and that he's super strong in a
trained KGB spy. I thought he'd have more going for

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him statistically over this lame Superman clone.
But the whole Superman power set is just it's too

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versatile. You know, he can do too many things.
He's too fast. He can control like fire and ice.

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It's it's stupid. It's stupid. I'm going to say it
now. Superman's dumb character soar all of his

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clones and all of his protégés. Just give the guy
all the powers, why don't you? It's nice to me like

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someone is super jealous. I'm trying to remember
what my reaction was to the Kingdom Come Superman

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versus Maestro fight, and I don't remember the
results of that specifically. But I do remember

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that Superman won that one, and maybe I should have
took that as a lesson for what happens when you pit

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Hulk against Superman. I mean, by this point, it
should be obvious. There's no way Hulk ever beat

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Superman. Stop trying. Well, even according to
these stats, he beats him about a quarter of the

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time. So you're not quite correct. That's pretty
damn correct, though. Like as far as our results

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go, that's on the higher end. You're going to be on
the higher end when I swap out your brownies for

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special brownies and then laugh at you as you trip
balls and freak out and get all paranoid and stuff.

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I've never done that before, so I probably would
freak out. I've never done that before, so I

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probably would freak out. Just wait, just wait
when you least expect it. I'm just glad I have a

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recording to give to the police. That does it for
this episode, guys. Adjune and Katie help close

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this out. Max destruction, Senjo world and
console combat. Our next episode is going to be

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another dual episode this time between the
magical sword wielding characters of Amethyst on

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DC and the Black Knight from Marvel. But that does
it for this episode. We want to give a big thanks to

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our executive producers, John Sturrosky,
Zachary Hepburn, Dustin Belcom, Mickey

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Mothengian, Nathaniel Wagner, Levi Yatyn,
Austin Wieselowski, AJ Dunkerly, Nick Ibonto,

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Scott Camacho, Gil Camacho, Adam Speese, Dean
Molesky, Devin Davis, Joseph Kirsting, Josh

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Leiner, Mike Williams and Paul Graves for helping
make this podcast possible. We'll talk to you guys

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next week. Up, up and away. True believers.
Jonathan never listens to my end sign offs.

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Therefore, I shall take this opportunity to call
him a punk-ass bitch. I'm an AI. What is he going to

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do?