DC vs Marvel

This is a DynaMic Network Podcast. Hi, welcome to the DynaMic Duel Podcast, where we review superhero films and debate the superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing their characters in stat-based battle simulations. I'm Johnny DC. 

And I'm his twin brother Marvelous Joe. And welcome to the episode of all episodes, the one where we finally determine which universe would win against the other. DC vs Marvel. It's our penultimate episode. That's right, there's only one more episode after this one. Jonathan, this is our last duel. How do you feel about that? 

It's pretty bittersweet. I'm not going to lie, but I'm also super stoked just for you to find out how bad Marvel would actually lose in a battle with DC. Well, to be fair, this isn't the entire Marvel Universe against the entire DC Universe. This is 12 of its top main characters against DC's 12 top main characters. 

Right, we're in 2026 now, and this is the 30th anniversary of the DC vs Marvel four-part comic mini series that came out in 1996. That was highly influential to us growing up. And to honor that, we're kind of taking the same approach with this final duel. 

Joseph and I are brothers, just like the red and blue brothers from that mini series. We've picked 12 champions from each of our respective worlds, and we're going to pit them against each other full force. It is going to be the team duel to end all team duels. Really excited to share with you guys who I've picked for my 12-person roster. Before we get into the duel, though, we're going to break down the latest comic book movie news to come out over the past few weeks, including the Avengers Doomsday teasers, at least the first three. 

And the news that Sebastian Stan and Scarlett Johansson have joined the cast of the Batman part two. As always, we list our segment times in our episode description, so feel free to check out the show notes if you want to skip ahead to a particular topic. Our artificially intelligent duel simulator, AJ9K, has a quick message for our listeners, so listen up. Hello, these are the final episodes of Dynamic duels Weekly podcast, leading up to our grand finale on January 20th. We hope you've enjoyed the past 10 years of Marvel and DC duels and reviews, and we'd love for you to stick with us as we count down these last episodes. We're inviting you, the listener, to help us close out the show by visiting dynamicduel.com over the next few weeks and clicking the red microphone button in the bottom right corner to leave us a voicemail that we'll play during the final episode. Tell us what first got you into DC or Marvel, how long you've been listening, a favorite episode or moment, or anything else you want to share about what the podcast has meant to you. Your messages will be aired and responded to on the January 20th finale. 

Again, head to dynamicduel.com and leave your final message. We would love to hear from you. Pip pip cheerio. Thanks AJ9K and thanks to everyone who takes the time to call in and leave a voicemail. Guys, this is your last chance to leave a voicemail to ever be featured in the show. 

So be sure to do that. Thank you so much to those who do. Yeah, you guys have until tomorrow, January 14th, the day after this episode drops to call in, you know, let us know how long you've been listening, your favorite episode or moment, anything else that you want to share about what the podcast has meant to you over the past 10 years. Be sure to tune into the other shows on the DynaMic Podcast Network this week, guys, including Konsole Kombat, where they discuss video game battles, max destruction, where they discuss movie and TV character battles, and Senjoh World, where they discuss anime character battles. 

Visit dynamicpodcasts.com or click the link in our show notes to listen to all the shows in the DynaMic Podcast Network. But with that out of the way for the final time, on to the news. Right over the past few weeks, we've gotten teaser trailers for the upcoming Avengers Doomsday movie that's going to be coming out in December of 2026. Now, allegedly, the short little teasers, which are only like 30 seconds long, will be leading up to a more official teaser, but I'm not sure when that's going to happen. I was actually kind of hoping that Marvel would drop that before the show ended, because I would love to talk about it. 

Looks like that's not going to happen. They might be saving the longer teaser for maybe the Super Bowl or something. But there have been three of these trailers released so far, officially a fourth one was leaked, but I don't necessarily want to discuss that one in case anybody hasn't seen it. But the first 30 second teaser was with Steve Rogers. The big huge reveal there was that Chris Evans is returning as Steve Rogers in Avengers Doomsday. That was pretty huge news because he wasn't revealed on that chair promo where they revealed all the cast member names that were going to be within the movie. 

So that was pretty cool. Turns out he has a kid with Peggy. I don't know if that's going to be James Rogers, who was the character that was in that Marvel Next animated movie. I think that's the most likely candidate for who that baby is going to be. Yeah, you figure he would have to have been born around the middle of the 20th century, right? That's true, actually. 

I didn't even think about that. He likely would have been born around the 1950s, 1960s at the latest. So yeah, he's going to be substantially older by the time the events of Avengers Doomsday takes place. If they even show him in the current timeline, right? Like Steve Rogers might be plucked out of the timeline where his kid was born and he doesn't get to see him anymore or something like that. 

Who knows? The second 30 second teaser that we got involved Thor, who prays to his father Odin for the strengths to fight for his daughter, Love. As much as I don't love the character of Love because the movie Love and Thunder sucked, it is really, really nice to get a more serious Thor back on the screen. A mature Thor, which is wild because the Thor movies have gotten pretty wacky and almost crude with the humor. 

So it's definitely a different take that the Russo's have on the character from what we've seen in his solo films recently. For sure. Yeah. 

Big breath of fresh air right there. The third teaser is probably the one that actually got me excited because it showcased the return of the X-Men. We see an elderly Magneto and Professor X playing chess in the dilapidated X mansion. 

At the end, though, we see James Marsden as Cyclops going full on 90s Cyclops X-Men. It's glorious. He's shooting an optic blast to the sky. 

Everything's red. I'm pumped that they're finally doing Cyclops justice on the big screen. And to add to that, it's James Marsden in the role who was really given the short end of the stick in the previous X-Men franchise. Good for him. The character is getting his due and the actor is. Totally shows how awesome it is to have Marvel properties with Marvel Studios and that having some other studios try and figure out the characters. Exactly. 

Exactly. In addition to the next leaked teaser that's come out, I think we're going to get one other teaser allegedly with Doctor Doom. But who knows, you know, the Internet has tons of rumors these days. AI doesn't help because I've seen like four different AI teasers of the leaked one that we don't want to spoil. Just trying to find the actual footage. 

It's bullshit. I'm getting major legacy vibes from all of these teasers that we've seen with Captain America's son, with Thor's daughter. Yeah, for as final as Avengers Endgame felt, this Avengers Doomsday movie seems even more like the lid on an era after Secret War. Which thank goodness, because everything pretty much after Endgame feels like it hasn't really been connected in a satisfying way. So if they can sort of officially pass on the baton in a way that they weren't able to earlier, I think that'll go a long way in mending relationships with a lot of fans. For sure. 

Yeah, just tie everything back together again. Can't wait for the movie to come out this December. We will be reviewing it. In DC News, we learned that Sebastian Stan and Scarlett Johansson have been cast in the Batman Part Two directed by Matt Reeves and starring Robert Pattinson. Now, it's been confirmed that Sebastian Stan is playing Harvey Dent, a.k .a. potentially Two Face, though we are not yet sure who Scarlett Johansson is playing. The current rumors are that she will be playing Gilda Dent, who played a major role in the long Halloween comic book series by Jeff Lowe and Tim Sayle, which I did not see coming. 

We've seen Harvey Dent a lot in a lot of media. So I didn't think they were going to go that route. But the fact that they cast Sebastian Stan opposite Robert Pattinson, I think is a really solid choice. So when you say that we've seen Two Face and a lot of media, are you referring to like Joker, Folie a Deux? I'm talking about basically every single Batman onscreen franchise from the Tim Burton films to the Schumacher films to the Nolan films. 

He's pretty much been everywhere. So I'm not sure how they would do him in a new kind of way. But again, if you're going to do it, yeah, cast Sebastian Stan. 

No, I'm sorry. I don't accept this because Sebastian Stan is the winter soldier and he always will be. And Scarlett Johansson will always be Black Widow. 

So keep your hands off shit that you can't have DC. Now, Scarlett Johansson is definitely not a Black Widow anymore. But Sebastian Stan just freaking played Bucky in the Thunderbolts film. He's still the winter soldier. So the fact that he's playing double duty might be a little confusing. But the fact that the Batman Matt Reeves universe does not take place in the DCU helps a little bit. 

Maybe maybe Bucky dies in Avengers Doomsday. Good. What? Yeah, I hope he does. 

Oh, you're such a piece of shit. Now, rumors are, like you said, that Scarlett Johansson is playing Harvey Dent's wife, but she only had relevance within the Long Halloween storyline in the comic books. But the first The Batman Movie was already heavily influenced by the Long Halloween. The Long Halloween is one of the best Batman comics. I'm not surprised that it continues to be a wellspring from which movie creatives continue to draw from. I'm wondering if this will be the story of Harvey Dent becoming two face or they're just including him here as a way to build up something that could be paid off, maybe in a third film. The rumors are that part two will focus heavily on Arkham Asylum. 

So my suspicion is that Gilda will play into that somehow, which is probably why insiders are saying her role is a major one within the film. And here I was hoping for Mr. Freeze. What was I thinking? Hey, I'm eager to see anything from the Matt Reeves Batman universe. 

Sign me up. Yeah, if the Penguin showed us anything, it's that there's a lot to explore here and it's all really fucking good. Now, it'll be a while before we actually see the film. It's not scheduled to come out until October 2027. So we have over a year and a half to go. I'm sure it's going to feel really long until then, but I'm sure it'll be worth the wait more than Avengers Doomsday for sure. People have been waiting way longer for this Avengers sequel than they have for the Batman sequel. So sorry, but you're done. 

I said what I said. But now let's get to the Duel matchup 10 years on the making and find out who is going to win in a 12 versus 12 matchup of DC versus Marvel. OK, guys, DC versus Marvel. It was a four part mini series that both comic publishers released in 1996. Joseph and I collected it. We had the poster for it. 

We were all about it. For the longest time, it was like the de facto DC versus Marvel event in comics up until J. L. A. Avengers. And really, those are the big two. Yeah, at least when it comes to like universe wide events, not just individual character crossovers. Now, we loved that story because it was so ambitious in the world building created with the two brothers and the Amalgam universe, where DC and Marvel characters were merged and everything that came from that. 

We even named our awards show that we do at the end of every year after the brothers that represent the DC and Marvel universes from this mini series in which each brother chose champions, essentially the most popular characters at the time to pay against each other to decide which universe lived and which universe died. And those matches were Superman versus Hulk, Batman versus Captain America, Wonder Woman versus Storm, Green Lantern versus Silver Surfer, Flash versus Quicksilver, Aquaman versus Namor the Submariner, Shazam versus Thor, Catwoman versus Electra, Superboy versus Spider-Man, Lobo versus Wolverine and Robin versus Jubilee. Yes, some questionable matchups there. Also some questionable results due to the fact that about half of those matchups were voted on by readers. 

So it was kind of a popularity contest, which is not how things are supposed to be done. As you know, on our podcast, we use character stats to run simulations to find out who would actually win. And today we are going to set the record straight 30 years after the comic debuted as to who would have actually won in those matches. Yeah, we're going to reveal some of the results now because the other ones still pertain to our current matchup and we'll keep those a surprise for the end of the show. First to explain the methodology behind our duels, let's go to our sentient Duel simulator, Alfred Jarvis 9000. AJ9K tell our listeners how you go about determining a winner in our Duel matchups. 

Yes, of course, sir. The way I determine a winner between the two teams is by running 1000 Monte Carlo simulations between every character on each team using their statistics. A Monte Carlo simulation is a probabilistic model used to determine outcomes through random sampling. In this case, I randomize the statistics along a normal distribution as a way to simulate the many variables that can occur during battle. The stat parameters are based on the official Marvel power grid from which the DC characters statistics are extrapolated. 

Additional stat categories are included such as range, damage potential, versatility and perception in order to create a more detailed and accurate simulation. The results of the 49000 simulations provide a percentage of wins for each character on both teams. The team with the higher average win rate is declared the victor as they have a higher probability to win any given battle. In an equitable pairing, neither team should win 100% of the matches. 

The comic book stories have shown that there's even a way for Batman to defeat Superman. So the confidence rate of my method falls in line with the precedents that have been established in the source material. My mathematical simulations are without subjectivity or bias. Feats are not the sole consideration, nor are fan votes tabulated for determination of the winner. 

Thanks, AJ9K. Yeah, let's kick things off with probably the most confusing matchup to me from the 90s miniseries, Spider-Man vs. Superboy. Now, I understand that at the time, Spider-Man's clone saga was going on, so they wanted to pit a clone against a clone. But of all the clones you could have chosen, Superboy was by far the weirdest. Now, in the comic, Spider-Man beat Superboy. But according to our results, Superboy would actually beat Spider-Man. 59.5% of the time compared to Spider-Man's win rate of 40.5%. 

Yeah, no surprise there. That's a weird matchup. In the Aquaman vs. Namor the Submariner matchup, they actually got that result right. Aquaman would defeat Namor as we actually have previously confirmed in an earlier episode of Dynamic Duel Aquaman vs. the Submariner. Aquaman wins 60.7% of the time. We also confirmed that Flash would defeat Quicksilver 76.9% of the time. But in a matchup we haven't done, Lobo vs. Wolverine, it looks like they got it wrong. 

Lobo would actually stomp Wolverine 82.1% of the time compared to Wolverine's win rate of 17.9%. How does that feel, Joseph? Unsurprising. It was a bad matchup. Also a bad matchup, Wonder Woman vs. Storm. Wonder Woman actually beat Storm not the other way around as it happened in the comic. Wonder Woman has a win rate of 63.9% compared to Storm with the win rate of 36.1%. In the matchup between Silver Surfer and Green Lantern, Silver Surfer won in the comic and that's accurate. 

He's a stat powerhouse who wins 67.8% of the time compared to Green Lantern's 32.2% win rate. In the comic, Electra defeated Catwoman, which we determined would actually be the case with a win rate of 67.7% compared to Catwoman's 32.3%. And for the final result that we'll give from the miniseries, Robin vs. Jubilee, they had that one correct as well. 

Robin wins 75.2% of the time compared to Jubilee's win rate of 24.8%. In the comic, Marvel actually won a majority of the matches, but it looks like statistically that would not have been the case. Yeah, DC would have won a majority of those matches. They just didn't have a good pairings at the time for those characters. I think we chose better pairings for this particular Duel matchup. 

So forget that 30 year old miniseries. Let's talk about who the brothers should have actually chose. Superman and the Hulk, Batman and Captain America, Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel, Green Lantern and Scarlet Witch, the Flash and Spider-Man, Aquaman and Black Panther, Blue Beetle and Iron Man, Shazam and Thor, Hawkgirl and Wolverine, John Constantine and Doctor Strange, Green Arrow and Daredevil, and finally Harley Quinn and Deadpool. That is how you do a versus roster for both sides. Now, these are all matches that we have not done in prior episodes. 

So we have no idea who is going to win yet. The rosters we chose were decided upon with help from our executive producers. From a long list of characters on potential matches, we thought these ones were the most interesting with the best respect of rosters from each universe. Now let's speculate on how one of the thousands of simulated matches will go. Again, the winners determined by simulations, not our speculation, but it's fun to imagine how the fight could play out. AJ and IK, what are the rules of our speculation? Well, I should say there are no rules other than the teams have no prior knowledge of the other going into the fight. All they are aware of starting out is that the other side is a threat that needs to be eliminated. For the speculation, the groups will begin approximately 50 meters apart in a nondescript environment that will have no bearing on the match itself, as no environmental statistics are considered in my simulations. 

The teams must earn victory on their own merit. All right, then let's get into it. For the final matchup ever, Team DC and Team Marvel meet on the battlefield. Who goes first? 

Is it even a question? I mean, the Flash. the Flash goes first. Always. 

Always he goes first. And he's going to start things off by speeding around the planet like five times in less than a second, just gathering mass and momentum to the level of nearly a black hole before slamming his fist hard right into the face of your side's biggest guy, the Hulk, which is going to send him Korean backward all before your team can even blink. You think if he hit him with near the mass of a black hole, he would do more than just cream backward. I think the infinite mass punch is kind of bullshit, right? 

Because the speed force negates the laws of physics. I'll grant you that it was a really, really powerful punch, but all that's going to do is piss the Hulk off. As the Hulk flies backward, Dr. Strange recognizes through the Eye of Agamotto that it was a speedster that hit the Hulk. And so he's going to generate a magic spell called the following flames of the Faltine, which is this blue fireball that's just going to endlessly chase the Flash until it eventually catches up with him and engulfs him and burns him alive. 

So the Flash is going to have to be constantly running to avoid the flame. And while that's happening, Thor spins his hammer and hurls a whirlwind over toward the DC guys that immediately grows into this powerful tornado that picks them all up and scatters them across the battlefield. Oh, it doesn't hurt them. It just scatters them. Yeah. 

I mean, like he keeps them from strategizing, though, because they're not near each other anymore. OK, that's fine. Harley Quinn, she's probably like, wee. And we'll say she gets flung toward Deadpool, who doesn't have time to react before she just wallops him across the face with her giant mallet. Her giant mallet. Deadpool is like, what in the penis envy is this? And he's just going to slice Harley Quinn's hammer in half with one of his katanas. 

And then he's going to slash at her again. Like, let's do this hot topic. My safe word is chimichanga. 

All right. Harley, she's going to dodge the swords and she'll drop like a cupcake grenade that blows off one of Deadpool's legs as she skates away, laughing. Meanwhile, Green Lantern is going to trap Captain America in a green rocket ship construct that's going to launch him into space just right away, taking him out of the match. What? And at the same time, Aquaman is going to hurl his Trident at Scarlet Witch impaling her. 

No, no, no. Scarlet Witch is going to throw up a hex shield that's going to cause the Trident to reflect off of her shield and fly right into one of Hawkgirls' wings, which is going to impale it and ground Hawkgirls so she can't fly anymore. And then Scarlet Witch is going to teleport up to Captain America's rocket ship and bring him back down to the battlefield, saving him. You do realize that Hawkgirls' wings are not organic, right? Like they're made of anthmedal. Actually, that's the same material that Aquaman's Trident is. So it doesn't pierce her wings. Actually, the Trident is just going to ricochet off her wings and get lodged into the ground beside her. So she'll pick that up and now she's Duel-wielding two-anthmedal weapons with Aquaman's Trident and her own mace. And she's just going to combo strike Spider-Man like a stab, bash, spin, slash stab, combo. No, but Spider-Man has Spidey Sense, and that'll allow him to dodge and flip and spin and avoid getting hit by Hawkgirls' weapons. And while he's dodging, he's going to shoot a couple of web strands at Aquaman and use them to slingshot Aquaman right into Hawkgirls. 

So they collide and get knocked down. And while that's happening, Captain Marvel flies over to Green Arrow and shoots an energy blast that turns him into a smear on the ground. Except that the blast is blocked by Wonder Woman, who, you know, leaps in to protect Green Arrow with her silver bracelets. And Green Arrow from behind Wonder Woman is going to hit Captain Marvel with an explosive arrow that's going to knock her out of the air. 

OK. Meanwhile, Wolverine straight up lunges and pounces on Constantine, pinning him to the ground and stabbing him right through the gut with his claws. OK, that'll hurt Constantine. But as he curses at Wolverine from the floor, he's going to take the cigarette that he was smoking from his mouth and put it out right in Wolverine's eye and then snap his finger. And Wolverine's going to get engulfed in flames. So he's going to leap off of Constantine just freaking out. And Constantine is going to perform a quick healing spell on his stab wounds so that he doesn't bleed out. OK, so Wolverine's on fire, but Iron Man is going to fly over to him and use extinguishers in his suit to douse Wolverine. 

So Wolverine's charred, but, you know, his healing factor will kick in. Simultaneously, Iron Man is going to shoot out a homing missile that locks onto Batman and flies over to him and explodes him. There Batman, he'll dive out of the way of the missile. And, you know, as it like circles back toward him, he's going to shoot out a bat flare as a decoy that the missile will lock onto instead. And actually, you know, he shoots that flare at Captain America across the battlefield so the missile blows him up. 

Captain America is like, oh, shit. And he holds up his shields just in time to protect him from the flare and the missile explosion. So he's on phase and he's going to hurl his shield at Blue Beetle, which is going to hit Blue Beetle like a sledgehammer right into his back where the alien scarab is fused to a spine. And that's going to cause the scarab to short circuit. Yeah, Blue Beetle, his scarab will probably sense the approaching shield. So it's just going to snatch you out of the air with his mechanical insect arms that, you know, protrude from his back. 

So now you just gave him a back shield. And while that happened reflexively, he was actually shooting a grapple line that is going to connect to Black Panther. And it's a Taser grapple. So it just fries the vibranium suit and stuns him. OK, Black Panther would be stunned because vibranium wouldn't protect him from an electrical attack. 

But through being shocked, he musters the strength and will power to sever the grapple line with his claws. So that's just going to cut off the flow of energy from Blue Beetle's suit. At that point, Black Panther is going to hurl a volley of energy daggers at Shazam that are going to stick in his cape and then explode with kinetic energy, knocking Shazam to the ground. That would barely faze Shazam. Meanwhile, Superman, he's going to fly over to Daredevil and freeze him into an ice block with his freeze breath. What? 

What? OK, Daredevil's frozen. But Hulk is going to break Daredevil out of the ice block before Daredevil freezes through. And then Hulk is going to leap like 20 stories into the air and then come down like a meteor crashing into Wonder Woman, just slamming her into this like Wonder Woman shaped crater on the ground, shaking the entire battlefield with his landing. OK, but Shazam sees this and he's going to knock the Hulk away from Wonder Woman with a lightning bolt so large and powerful that it's going to fry the Hulk's skin to a crisp. 

Big deal. He can heal from that. It'll just take a few seconds. While that's happening, Daredevil, fresh from being freed from the ice block that he was in, you know, this whole time he's been tracking the Flash with his radar sense. 

What? And he knows that the Flash is trying to outrun the fireball that Dr. Strange created and with perfect timing, Daredevil fires his billy club out and trips the Flash up, who then falls, gets caught by the fireball and burns alive. OK, except that the Flash trips and falls into Iron Man, or through him because he phases through him and that's going to cause the fireball to collide with Iron Man and just melt his armor. 

No, no, no, no, that would happen. The following flames of the Faltine are magic. They're homing. They would actually go around Iron Man and still burn the Flash up while he was on the ground. 

That shit. Or well, Constantine, he could use his trench coat, which is fireproof, to smother the magic flames, which he does before flinging that coat at Daredevil and causing it to wrap around his face. And since that coat is demonically possessed, Daredevil becomes trapped in this illusion that he's in hell. Meanwhile, as flash rapidly heals from his burn wounds, Green Arrow is going to straight up turn Wolverine into a pincushion full of arrows. Yeah, that's not even going to slow Wolverine down. It's just going to send him into a berserker rage where he straight up eviscerates Green Arrow, legit turning him into deli slices, except that those arrows that Green Arrow shot into him were taser arrows. And Green Arrow is going to trigger them as Wolverine charges right for him. So Wolverine gets electrocuted and now he's down for the count. 

No, because Dr. Strange is going to magically extract the electricity flowing through Wolverine's skeleton and form it into like a sort of Zeus's thunderbolt. And then he's going to hurl it at Hock Girl with her metal wings. And she's going to get zapped. Meanwhile, Deadpool, his leg is now healed from being blown off, he's gonna teleport behind Green Lantern and straight up shoot him in the back of the head. 

He's gonna be like, your movie sucked. Okay, but Batman sees Green Lantern about to get shot and so he rolls this sharp ass battering that lodges right into Deadpool's wrist before he pulls the trigger. And that's gonna sever all of the nerves to his hand. 

Isn't he like, oh no my girlfriend! And with Green Lantern now aware that Deadpool is behind him, he's going to generate a giant green wrench and just whack Deadpool. That's gonna send him tumbling across the battlefield. Okay, well, Spider-Man is gonna web up Harley Quinn, web up her skates. 

We're just gonna make her a trip and eat shit. She tries to curse him out like, fuck you, pajama man, but he's gonna web her mouth shut and she's actually gonna put her in like this web cocoon, just web her all up. Meanwhile, Iron Man fires a repulsor blast at Blue Beetle that knocks Blue Beetle to the floor and knocks Captain America's shield off of his back. Okay, Blue Beetle would probably get hit, but you know, he would set up a giant shield in front of him to block any additional beams from Iron Man. And then he'll transform that shield into like this massive energy cannon that he'll use to fire a giant laser beam like the size of a semi truck right back at Iron Man. 

Knocking his ass into outer space. It would never even hit him because Captain Marvel flew into the laser's path and absorbed all of that energy from Blue Beetle. So she's like pulsing with cosmic energy now and she just unloads all of that into Superman. 

So it's Superman's ass that gets knocked into outer space, not Iron Man. Okay, meanwhile Aquaman has his Trident back and he's locked in with a battle with Thor who we'll say has generated this massive storm and has hurling lightning at Aquaman. But Aquaman, he's gonna slam his Trident into the earth to ground the lightning strikes and then pull it out and use its magic to gather all of the rainwater from the storm into a swirling pillar of water, a whirlpool around Thor that's going to drown him. And Aquaman can control water now? Well, I mean technically yes, like he controls water in the comics even without the Trident now. 

But I mean he's been able to do that more or less with various Tridents for some time in the comics. I guess I don't understand what a whirlpool is gonna do to Thor because he can simply fly out of the whirlpool because no current's gonna be able to hold him. Meanwhile Hulk is gonna punch the ground hard enough to create a fissure in the earth that the Flash falls into and then dies. Dude, you think Flash can't outrun a fissure? 

Or like run up a fissure wall? You know, he's gonna do just that and then run literal circles around the Hulk, vacuuming the air out of his lungs and causing him to transform into Bruce Banner. And when Flash notices that this happens, he's gonna pick Banner up and just drop him off on the other side of the planet and leave him there before running back to the battle. Meanwhile Shazam and Captain Marvel are gonna be trading blows mid-air, but the wisdom of Solomon tells Shazam that while she may have absorbed Blue Beetle's energy attack, she probably can't absorb magic. So that's when he summons this massive bolt of living lightning that's gonna crash Captain Marvel straight into the ground. Okay, yeah, she can't absorb magic, that makes sense, but Scarlet Witch is gonna fire a hex bolt at Wonder Woman's lasso that's on her side causing it to unravel and wrap around Wonder Woman and just hog-tie her. 

And these knots are indestructible, so Wonder Woman is powerless to escape her lasso. Meanwhile, Black Panther leaps onto Hawkgirl's back and uses his anti-metal claws to tear her metal wings right off. She crashes into the ground and probably tries to hit Black Panther with her mace, which she does, but Black Panther absorbs the blow of that with his Vibranium suit. 

So he gets knocked away, but he's like vibrating with all of this kinetic energy now. I don't think anti-metal would break down like common Earth metals, so while Black Panther sure does cause Hawkgirl to crash to the ground from slashing her back, I'm gonna say her wings remain intact, and Black Panther, yeah, he's still knocked away by her mace strike. But while that happened, Superman is gonna swoop back to the battle from outer space and he's just gonna rain down heat vision onto Captain America who does not have a shield. No, he has a shield. 

He got it back when it was knocked away from Blue Beetle when Iron Man blasted him. So Captain America uses the shield to block Superman's heat vision and actually it reflects off of Captain America's shield, hitting Aquaman, who burns and gets dehydrated from the heat. Then Captain America runs over to Daredevil and yanks Constantine's coat off of his face, which pulls him out of the Hell illusion. And now Free, Daredevil flips over to Batman, dodging all of Batman's strikes, and he wraps his Billy Club cable around Batman's neck and just garots him. Okay, well you know what, Daredevil didn't see coming though? 

He doesn't see anything coming. Exactly. But especially Harley Quinn's chaotic tendency to show up just out of nowhere. Because after getting out of Spider-Man's webbing with an acid pellet, she's gonna load a stink bomb round into her pop gun and fire that at Daredevil. 

And that's gonna overload his senses with a smell worse than hell. Allowing Batman to get free. And while Daredevil is distracted, Harley Quinn's gonna follow up with another round, this time a 9mm one, which she's gonna use to send him to heaven. 

So Daredevil's out? Yes, and meanwhile, Wonder Woman, you know, she's been shimmying back and forth while wrapped in her lasso, and that's gonna give her enough slack to clap her bracelets together. And that's gonna emit enough force to cause a gap in the wrapping that allows Wonder Woman to free herself. And now that she's free, she's gonna lasso Captain Marvel by the neck and just yank her toward her, slamming her fist right into Captain Marvel's face, just to link her out cold. Okay, but right before Wonder Woman's fist makes contact with Captain Marvel, Captain Marvel just explodes like an energy bomb, which is gonna knock Wonder Woman away, and Captain Marvel's gonna free herself from the lasso. While that's happening, Captain America is going toe to toe with Harley Quinn, and Harley Quinn just is not gonna stand a chance in that fight. He's gonna disarm all of her attacks and just knock her out unconscious with his shield before she even has anything funny to say. So Harley Quinn is now out of the match. Okay, all right, well, Green Arrow and Deadpool are gonna be battling, and Green Arrow is gonna manage to fire several cheap shot boxing glove arrows right at Deadpool's nut sack like it was a speed bag. And while Deadpool's lying on the ground wincing, that's when Green Arrow's gonna pin his head to the floor with an adhesive arrow, gluing it to the ground permanently so Deadpool's also out. Okay, gluing his head to the ground with an arrow through the brain? 

Yeah, that's pretty clever. Okay, well, Doctor Strange uses the Ayavaga Moto to find Bruce Banner on the other side of the world, and he's gonna open a portal to bring Hulk back into the battle. Okay, but the portal is gonna be set up right above Hulk Girl, so Hulk drops back into the fight, right onto Hulk Girl's back, crashing her into the ground and smashing her to a paste. Because he's like mega pissed right now, so Hulk Girl's out of the match. Okay, all right, well Flash, he's going to disarm Captain America, just straight up take a shield from him, which he then uses as a battering gram, speed battering him from like every angle until he's knocked unconscious and is out of the match. Okay, well then Flash tries that battering gram shit on Spider-Man, but Spider-Man's Spidey sense warns him to hop out of the way at the last second, and then he webs Flash's feet to the ground as the Flash is speeding by and that sudden stop and momentum is gonna break the Flash's ankle, completely hobbles him like he's James Caan in misery. 

Geez. And then Spidey is gonna flip drop heel kick Flash right in the head, which is gonna completely knock the Flash out of the match. That's messed up, but meanwhile Constantine, he's, you know, using sigil shields to ward off blasts from Captain Marvel, and he has his coat back on, by the way, so he's gonna reach into one of his coat pockets and pull out a flask, which he hurls at her. And when Captain Marvel blasts it out of the air, the flask actually latches onto her energy, converting her into pure light as it sucks her into the flask like a genie. And once she's completely absorbed, he grabs it out of the air, puts it back in its coat pocket, and so she's out of the match. Oh, that was interesting. 

Okay. Uh, well, speaking of Captain Marvel being out, Scarlet Witch is gonna place a psychic hex on Shazam, and that's gonna cause Shazam to transform and de-age back into Billy Batson, but the hex is like compounding. So Billy continues de-aging until he's just a baby, and then finally just a pair of microscopic reproductive cells. So Shazam's out. 

Oh, look at that. Scarlet Witch just got blown to smithereens by a green tomahawk missile. Looks like Green Lantern was sick of her shit. Black Panther is sick of Green Arrow's shit. 

Not only does he sever the line on Green Arrow's bow with his claws, which is gonna render Green Arrow completely useless, Black Panther is gonna follow up by releasing all of that stored up kinetic energy he has in his vibranium suit with a punch to Green Arrow's chest that's just gonna shatter all of his ribs into gravel. Alright, meanwhile, Aquaman, he's been summoning a wellspring beneath him to rehydrate him. And finally, like Old Faithful, this hot geyser shoots out from beneath him, launching him into the air, where he magically redirects the jet stream onto Spider-Man, which is gonna pin him to the ground before Aquaman lands right on top of him and impaling him with his Trident. Wow, okay, Iron Man didn't appreciate that. He saw that, and he lets Aquaman know that he didn't appreciate it by frying him with a beam of microwave energy that evaporates all of the moisture in Aquaman's body until he's fully cooked and now dead. 

Alright, you know what? Superman, he's gonna grab Hulk with his super speed, fly him straight into space, and just hurl him towards the sun, harden fast enough that Doctor Strange doesn't have time to magically teleport him back. Now what? Wolverine is gonna be fighting against Batman at that time, and Batman gets taken out of the match by some claws that go right through his skull, because plot armor will not protect him against Adamantium. 

Wait, what the heck? You're taking out Batman like so unceremoniously? Yeah, Wolverine doesn't give a fuck. 

Well, okay, guess what? Wolverine, he's suddenly gonna get yanked to the ground by Blue Beetle, who then pins his neck and wrist to the ground with a few rounds from a giant blue staple gun, essentially. And with Wolverine immobilized, that's when Blue Beetle drops this scarab-shaped grenade near him. That's gonna generate a small nuclear blast that's gonna leave only Wolverine's bones as Blue Beetle flies away. Okay, but Thor is gonna finally settle the end of our Justice League Avengers team duel, our first team duel that we ever did. He's gonna channel his supernatural godly energies into his hammer, and he's gonna fire it from Mjolnir as a god blast that's gonna punch a hole right through Superman, who is vulnerable to magic. What? So, Thor's weakens now, yes, but it was worth it because Superman is out of this match. 

Okay, I thought he was gonna be my last guy, not gonna lie. But when Thor does that, that's suddenly when Mjolnir is gonna get snatched by Wonder Woman's lasso. And so now she's Super Asgardian Wonder Woman, and she's gonna lift the hammer into the air and bring it down right on top of the weakened Thor, taking him out of the match. 

Come at me, bro. Okay, so Wonder Woman has Thor's hammer, but Doctor Strange is gonna detach his cloak of levitation and is gonna fly at Wonder Woman, envelop her, and is gonna swallow her up basically and teleport her to Asgard. Where Odin sees this chick who killed his son and is wielding Mjolnir now, Odin's gonna remove the hammer's power and then just imprison Wonder Woman in their dungeons. 

So Wonder Woman's out of the match. What the hell? Alright, I was not expecting that, I will admit. 

Uh-huh. But meanwhile, back to the battle, Blue Beetle Scarab has analyzed the vibratory nature of Black Panther's suit and produces a counter-frequency that Blue Beetle fires at him from a sonic cannon, shattering the vibranium suit like it was glass. And with T'Challa exposed, that's when he's gonna get impaled by a giant blue lance from Blue Beetle's arm. 

So now Black Panther's out. Interesting move, but little did you know Iron Man has slowly been hacking the Blue Beetle suit using nanotech drones that are gonna force the Scarab to destroy its host, basically disintegrating Jaime Reyes from within. And then the Scarab is gonna fly over to Iron Man, now programmed to incorporate itself into Iron Man's armor. So now Iron Man is Iron Beetle. And good luck with that. 

Oh yeah, no problem. The Scarab Kajida is rich alien technology, but it's been corrupted by magic before. So that was actually stupid on behalf of Iron Man because Constantine knows the history of the Scarab, and so he's gonna recite a self-destruct incantation that Iron Man can't decode in time, so kaboom, Iron Man's out. Ah, okay. Dr. Strange sees this, and he's gonna detect the dark occult magic that's in Constantine, and he's gonna trace that to all the demons that are in hell that own a part of Constantine's soul. 

So Dr. Strange is gonna use a little bit of dark magic to summon these demons to the battlefield, or to each rip Constantine to pieces and drag him to hell in small bits. No, dang. That's like the worst way to take out Constantine. Good. Well, I guess it's down to Green Lantern and Dr. Strange. 

Here it is. The last one standing, the duel to end all duels, and Green Lantern is gonna be the one to quick draw first. He's gonna point his ring at Dr. Strange, trapping and freezing him in a giant Green Lantern, like a power battery that's on Oa, which has held entities like Parallax, and the Lantern battery drains Dr. Strange of all of his magic power. And Green Lantern is going to use it to power his own ring with like star-heart magical energy, and he's gonna be like, beware my power. Green Lantern's light! 

And he's gonna snap his fingers, and Dr. Strange just ceases to exist. End of match. You're right. Yep. 

Yep. And then Dr. Strange wakes up from his trance, recognizing that that was one of the thousands of simulations where his marble team didn't win. So with the compounded knowledge of everything that his team needs to do to win, he's gonna confer with the rest of the Marvel heroes outside of time, and then he's gonna rewind the clock back to the start of the match with everyone knowing exactly what they need to do to win decisively and swiftly. And the DC guys just fucking get annihilated. They're gonna be thinking they suck so hard because they get defeated so quickly, and even Batman's gonna be like, what the hell? Before he dies. And Marvel wins. 

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Visit dynamicpodcasts.com, where we settle the debate and settle the score. Let's go ahead and find out which of these scenarios happens. Either Green Lantern traps Dr. Strange in a power battery, drains his magic, and uses it to power up his ring and snap Dr. Strange out of existence. 

Or Dr. Strange foresees that happening, rewinds time, and uses the battle information to help the Marvel heroes defeat the DC side. Let's go ahead and input all the character stats, run all the simulations, and find out who wins. 

Marvel or DC. AJ9K? Hit it! Alright, I think that felt sufficiently epic for our final ever duel and team duel. This was a whole lot of math. It took us a couple days to actually run all of these simulations. There's a whole lot of data here, a lot to pour into. To start off, the most powerful guys from each side were Green Lantern and Dr. 

Strange. My weakest guy on Marvel was a tie between Daredevil and Captain America, but the weakest person overall on both teams was Harley Quinn. Weakest statistically, I should say. 

Right. Breaking it down by category, the biggest stat discrepancy between the two teams overall was intelligence. Marvel actually came out ahead in that category because of people like Bruce Banner, Spider-Man, T'Challa, Iron Man, and Dr. 

Strange. We had a lot of intellectual powerhouses, whereas DC mostly had Constantine, Batman, and that's pretty much it. Yeah, that was the biggest discrepancy, but DC also came out pretty far ahead in terms of speed. Thanks to characters like Flash, Shazam, Superman, Wonder Woman, we were a lot faster than the Marvel guys. And the DC team was a lot more versatile, especially among characters like Green Lantern, Blue Beetle, Constantine, Green Arrow, Batman. 

They're all really well equipped. Marvel's side, though, wasn't a slouch when it came to the fighting skills stat. Characters like Captain America, Wolverine, Daredevil, Deadpool are all really skilled in fighting. Yeah, compared to my side where my best fighters were Batman, Wonder Woman, and Green Arrow. 

And Hawkgirl was up there, too. Let's break down the pairings individually. In the matchup between Superman and the Hulk, Superman won 75.3% of their matches. I'm not too surprised by that, just because Superman is arguably strong, if not stronger than the Hulk, and has all the versatility of his other Kryptonian powers. In the Batman vs. Captain America pairing, also no surprise for me, Batman won that 72.8% of the time. I guess the result there isn't surprising for me, but the win rate for Batman is surprising. In the end, Captain America is just as good as a fighter as Batman, but can't compete with Batman's versatility or intelligence. That's what it came down to. In the Wonder Woman vs. Captain Marvel fight, DC won again, with Wonder Woman beating Captain Marvel 56.2% of the time. 

This one was a little bit closer. Captain Marvel just wasn't quite as durable or as strong as Wonder Woman. Yeah, honestly, in regards to this matchup, I was actually surprised. I was thinking Captain Marvel was going to come out ahead, but I was really happy to see that Wonder Woman did. In the Green Lantern vs. Scarlet Witch matchup, DC wins yet again, with Green Lantern pulling off a 72.5% win rate over Scarlet Witch, which I'm calling bullshit. The problem is that Green Lanterns are just so impressive statistically, because they have all the powers, and Scarlet Witch, even though she's almost maxed out in stats like damage level, invasiveness and versatility, she was lacking in other key areas like fighting skill, intelligence, and durability. Right, so DC has won all four matches so far, but that ended when we picked Spider-Man against the Flash. I totally thought the Flash was going to win this, but Spider-Man did. 54.3% of their 1000 matches. 

Which, what? Yeah, for as fast as the Flash is, Spider-Man is arguably a slightly better fighter. He has a Spider sense which helps him, and he's stronger. So that was a close matchup, but Spider-Man did narrowly get the victory there. In the Aquaman vs. Black Panther matchup, unfortunately Aquaman won that one, winning 54.1% of the time over Black Panther. 

Again, that was a pretty close one as well. It looks like Nth Metal does win the war against Vibranium. I don't know about that, but Aquaman did eke out a win due to his strength stat. In the matchup between Iron Man and Blue Beetle, Earth comes out ahead against the aliens because Iron Man won 67.7% of the matches compared to Blue Beetle's 32.3%. 

I'm not surprised by that one. I will say that Blue Beetle was a lot more statistically impressive than I thought he would be against Iron Man. But Iron Man still had a pretty damn high win rate, so it just goes to show that Iron Man is just way better than Blue Beetle, largely due to his intelligence. Yeah, Iron Man was one of your most powerful characters, very impressive statistically. In the Thor vs. Shazam fight, now this is one of the fights that took place in the 90s crossover, we can definitively say that Thor does beat Shazam, 59.5% of the time. In the end, Shazam was just a little bit too much of a one-trick pony, with Thor being able to do everything that Shazam could do, but even more. In our closest pairing, Wolverine beat Hawkgirl 50.2% of the time. 

Cointoss. Now this is kind of a throwback to our Hawk Man vs. Wolverine duel episode. I'm really glad we redid that though because if you listened to that episode, the power set we used for Hawk Man was very specific to the new 52 era and completely outdated. They didn't have identical stats, Hawkgirl was more evasive because she could fly and she was stronger, but Wolverine was a better fighter and more durable. 

They kind of evened each other out, therefore, a Cointoss. In the matchup between Doctor Strange and Constantine, Doctor Strange won 73.8% of the time due to a variety of stats. I think largely it just comes down to the fact that Doctor Strange is a sorcerer, whereas Constantine is an occultist, and therefore things just come a little bit slower and harder for him. But also Doctor Strange is a powerhouse statistically. He has all the powers, he's super smart. 

Right, again, your most powerful character. In one of my favorite pairings, Green Arrow vs Daredevil, I'm happy to say that Green Arrow won 54.5% of the time, which I think means that Bullseye would totally stop in a real matchup against Daredevil. Out of all the matches so far, this one pisses me off the most because I don't see how Green Arrow would ever hit Daredevil. I guess sometimes Bullseye does hit Daredevil in their fights, but what really eaked Green Arrow over the top was his versatility. Daredevil just has his Billy Club, and it doesn't have as good of a range as Green Arrow's plethora of arrows. 

Eventually, Green Arrow's going to tag him or choose some kind of arrow that overwhelms his senses. It's bullshit. In the final matchup, where we pit Deadpool against Harley Quinn, I don't think this is any surprise, Deadpool won 61.1% of the time. Harley Quinn had a more varied arsenal with all of her silly gadgets, but Deadpool's healing factor was just second to none, unless you're Wolverine. 

Or the Hulk. But I mean, like we said earlier, Harley Quinn was my weakest character. She actually did not come out ahead in a majority of her matches. Now, tallying it all up, we had 12 matches, and surprisingly, we each had 6 wins. Yah yah, really lucky with the Wolverine vs. Hulk girl fight, because that was a coin toss, and if Wolverine didn't win that one, the overall score would have been DC7 Marvel 5. But, since we each won 6 matches, I guess it's a tie for Marvel and DC. No, no, no, no. We have the total wins for all of the matches for all of these characters, so let's find out who actually wins between everyone. AJ9K, the results please. 

Hey, you are, sir. The winner of the matchup between Team DC and Team Marvel is... Team DC! Fuck you! 

Fuck you! This doesn't really mean that DC would win, it just means that these particular 12 characters would beat these particular 12 Marvel characters. Hey, we chose these characters as the 12 representatives of our respective universe. 

We've never done a team matchup with this many characters before. You have to accept DC's victory. They won 51.4% of the total matches compared to Marvel who won 48.6%. Sir, DC officially wins. DC is officially better, and I officially demand an apology from you. After nearly 40 years, vol of your bullshit, saying that Marvel characters are better when clearly they are inferior. 

First of all, you can go straight up fuck yourself. Second of all, those results are a coin toss. If DC only won 50.4% of the matches... 51.4%. Oh, well, it's still pretty close. 

Third of all, go fuck yourself again, harder. And then fourth of all, I think we should judge these results based off of the number of individual pairing wins, which is 6-to-6, which is a tie. You're trying to get me to admit that Marvel loses overall when really it was just a breakdown of these 24 characters. 

Dude, what do you think this podcast has been about for the past 10 years? Yes, I'm trying to get you to admit that Marvel would lose. They did. Hashtag deal with it. Also hashtag, give me an apology. What we're going to do is actually tally up all the wins and losses for Marvel and DC throughout the 10 years of this podcast in our next episode to reveal the actual true winner between these two universes. But we'll save that for our final episode. And just a general retrospective of the podcast over the past decade. Yeah, join us for our final episode next week as we say goodbye to you guys for now. Right, again, the podcast isn't going away completely. We're just ending the weekly show. We're ending the duels and switching to exclusively a review focused show. AJ9K, help close this out. Thanks to everyone for tuning into this penultimate episode. Again, if you haven't left us a voicemail, please visit our website at dynamicduel.com to do so. 

Yeah, click the red microphone button. We'd love to hear from you guys and say our goodbyes. Thanks to everyone who's helped to make this podcast possible. And we'll talk to you guys next week up up and away. True believers. Oh, so no more duels from here on out, huh? Thanks, guys. I guess I'll just go fuck myself.