Freedom Fighters vs X-Factor

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This is a DynaMic Network Podcast. Hi and welcome
to the Dynamic Dual Podcast, a weekly show where we

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review superhero films and debate the
superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing

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their characters in stat-based battle
simulations. I'm Marvelous Joe and I'm his twin

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brother Johnny DC. And in this episode, we're
going to find out who would win in a fight between

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DC's Freedom Fighters and Marvel's X-Factor.
It's a team duel, we're pitting seven characters

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from the Freedom Fighters against seven
characters from X-Factor. For an all-out, no

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holds barred brawl. We're going to input all the
character stats from simulations to find out who

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the superior group is. Yeah, this matchup was
chosen by our executive producers in part because

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both teams have been government-based agencies.
And with Independence Day coming up and July

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already being packed full of reviews, we
definitely wanted to get this match in before

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then. Yeah, we'll find out which team wins later on
this episode. Before that, we're going to break

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down the latest comic book movie news to come out
this past week of which we finally got some news.

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There was the new trailer for the Superman movie
announcing that tickets are on sale. There was the

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second trailer for Iron Heart. And DC Studios
announced that they're making a Mr. Miracle

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animated series. As always, we list our segment
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including the console combat podcast, where
hosts John and Dean simulate battles between

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popular video game characters. In yesterday's
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versus Ichiban Kasuga from Like a Dragon. Over on
the Max Destruction podcast, hosts Scotty and

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Gilly pit your favorite action heroes from film
and television against each other. This week, the

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brothers are pitting Danny Phantom against Space
Ghost. And on the Senjo World podcast, hosts

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Zachary Hepburn speculates on fights between fan
favorite anime and manga characters. In his next

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episode, Zach's going to reveal who'd win between
Power from Chainsaw Man versus Mariah Kuriyama

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from Beyond the Boundary. Visit
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notes to listen to all of the shows and the Diner
Mike podcast network. But with that out of the way,

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quick to the no prize. A no prize is an award that
Marvel used to give out to fans. Our version, the

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Dynamic Dual No Prize, is a digital award that we
post on Instagram for the person that we feel gave

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the best answer to our question of the week. Last
week we asked you guys, what Marvel or DC character

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that we haven't done a duel with yet, are you still
hoping we get to by January? And this is coming off

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of the news that in January, Jonathan and I will
have hit the 10 year anniversary for this podcast.

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We'll be turning 40 and we have decided that at that
point, this podcast will no longer be a weekly

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show. We'll still do some review episodes when
films come out, but this will be the last year for

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dual episodes. Yeah, we got quite a number of
answers, but we're going to break down three

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honorable mentions before revealing this week's
no prize winner. Our first honorable mention goes

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to Travis Bailey, who said, What's up, this Travis
Bailey, shout out to my good twin. All right, so I'm

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not sure if y'all have done any, let me know. I'd
like to see Saber II versus Slade Wilson, for sure.

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Let me get Gladiator versus Lobo. That could be the
main card. That could be the main event. Jamie

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Madrox. Madrox and Gorilla Grodd, for sure. And
where's Mephisto? Y'all done Mephisto yet? Y'all

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got to get Mephisto in there. All right. So there
were a whole lot of options in this one. We've

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actually done a lot of these characters already.
We did Deathstroke versus Deadpool. Saber Tooth,

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we put against Killer Croc. Lobo, we put against
Carnage. Gorilla Grodd, we put against Scylocke.

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And Mephisto, we put against Sandman of the
Enthalas. Yeah, but there are a number of

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characters he mentioned that we haven't done
duels with, namely, Multiple Man and Gladiator.

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Yeah, Gladiator is the head of the Imperial Guard
for the Shiar Alien race. He's basically just like

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Superman. With all the weeks planned out for the
rest of the year, by us and the executive producer

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team, we won't be able to get to a Gladiator match,
but we've done a lot of duels with Superman-like

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characters, such as Superman versus Dr. Doom,
Ultraman versus Hyperion, Sentry versus Zod,

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things like that. And while we won't be getting to a
Multiple Man individual duel, luckily Travis, he

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will feature in this duel episode, Freedom
Fighters versus X Factor. Right, so look forward

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to that. Great answer, Travis. Our next honorable
mention comes from Matt from Texas, who said, Hey

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guys, Matt from Texas here. I want to see the Crime
Syndicate versus the Squadron Supreme. Crime

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Syndicate's Ultraman, Alman Superwoman, Johnny
Quick, Power Ring, Dead Eye, and White Martian.

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Versus the Squadron Supreme's Hyperion, Night
Hawk, Power Princess, Blurred Doctor Spectrum,

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Golden Archer, and Scrollion Skymaster. I think
it'd be awesome to see two alternate versions of

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the Justice League fight each other. That would
have been a great matchup. Essentially, it's Evil

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Justice League versus Marvel's version of the
Justice League. But since they're both basically

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iterations of the Justice League, we can probably
assume that the match would be close to 50-50,

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right? It's probably a coin toss. Although I'll
say I really liked Matt's picks for each team. We

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have done individual duels with Ultraman versus
Hyperion. Yeah, I think that episode is probably

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the closest we'll ever get to that match. Which
hurts to say because I really love Squadron

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Supreme, but we have a lot of other great team duels
coming down the pike. You know, teams like West

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Coast Avengers. The Inhumans, the Eternals,
Legion of Superheroes, the Authority. So you

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still got a lot of great team duels coming your way.
So great answer, Matt. Our final honorable

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mention goes to Alex Albro, who said, Hey guys, I
think you should do a duel between Lois Lane and

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Mary Jane, our Superwoman versus Jackpot. They
could fight with their powers and compete to write

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the best article for their respective dailies.
I'd also like to see Kevin Feige versus James Gunn,

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if you have a chance, and then also the last duel
that I think we all want to see is Johnny DC versus

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Marvelous Joe. Thanks guys. So actually the last
matchup that you mentioned, Johnny DC versus

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Marvelous Joe, Johnny DC would totally win no
contest. What are you talking about? I would stomp

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your goofy ass. Don't even try. Actually, we
already ran these simulations for one of our

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patrons one time, and we did determine I would win
because frankly, I just have more weapons than

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you. Yeah, I don't really own any weapons. So yeah,
I would get my ass kicked. If it got into close range

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though, I'm like quicker than Jonathan, right? So
I just give them like a throat strike and he just

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beat down for the count. What? No, you're not. I'm
way faster than you. What are you talking about?

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You know it. I know it. As far as Lois Lane versus
Mary Jane Watson, that was actually a duel that was

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pitched by Mickey Mathen-Gian, one of our
executive producers. Although I think we

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determined that there were just more prominent
super powered characters that we wanted to get to

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before them. Well, I mean, there are super powered
versions of Lois Lane and Mary Jane Watson. Mary

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Jane Watson is jackpot in the comic books and she
gets a random power based on this like slot machine

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gadget that she has. I don't know if a random power
would help you against the powers of superwoman,

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but if she rolls three sevens on her device, she
gets like godlike power. It's a long shot though,

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you know, could be interesting, but we're also
trying to get to characters like Abomination and

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Ocean Master and Jubilee and Guy Gardner and you
know, some of these big time players that we just

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haven't got to yet. But great answer, Alex. We want
to give a quick shout out to Coy and Liao, who also

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gave the suggestion of Lois Lane versus jackpot.
Cyrus Moore, who said we should do a duel with

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L'Arfles, which we won't get to, but we will be
doing other ring powered characters. Daniel

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Alonso suggested Armadillo, or as I like to call
him, Armadildo, after the Modoc television show.

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Jetson Batty also said L'Arfles, Kat Stevenson
said we should do a Hive versus Aime team duel,

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that'd be pretty cool. Although we have some Aime
characters coming up in another team duel

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episode. Lorenzo Valdez said Lana Lang, who at one
point was superwoman. Yeah, she was like an

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electric version. Okay. I really like Sheldon
Moore's answer, who said we should do Superboy

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Prime versus Franklin Richards, because that
would also tie into the upcoming reviews we're

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doing next month with the Superman and Fantastic
Four films. I mean, Superboy Prime would just

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punch Franklin Richards' reality alterations
really hard, just destroying them. You wish. And

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then Travis Herndon suggested three matchups,
including Scandal Savage versus Daken, Scar

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versus Calabac, and Kid Devil versus Robbie
Reyes. Great suggestions, but don't get greedy,

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guys. Don't get greedy. Otherwise, I mean, we'd be
doing this forever, which may be what some people

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want. Who knows. But the winner of this week's No
Prize is Brian Rochester, who said, Hi, I think you

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should do a DC Universe versus Marvel Universe
universal war. Every character, every team. I

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know that's very far fetched, but I think it would
be pretty awesome to see that. I love your show and

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sorry to see it go. Bye. Well, funny you should
mention that, Brian, because we might have

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something similar to that planned for one of our
final episodes. And I'll just leave it at that. All

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I could say is I can't wait. It's going to be epic.
Great answer, Brian. Congrats for winning this

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week's No Prize. If you, the listener, want to
shout out winning your own No Prize, stay tuned to

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later on this episode when we will be asking
another question of the week. And now that that's

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done, on to the news. OK, with less than a month to go
for the release of the Superman film in theaters,

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DC last week unveiled what I imagine is its final
trailer for the film announcing that tickets are

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now on sale. Now, when this film was first
announced by the head of DC Studios, James Gunn,

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who is also writing and directing this film, he
said one of the inspirations for it was All Star

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Superman, which was a comic book series written by
Grant Morrison that kind of showcased Superman's

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last days on Earth. And it was very episodic. He
went up against various villains and various

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adventures. And of all the trailers to come out for
this film, that very episodic nature of the All

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Star Superman story feels the most apparent in
this trailer specifically. How so? I didn't get

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that vibe at all. There's just so much going on with
all of the different characters that Superman is

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fighting like Lex Luthor, like an army, giant
Kaiju monsters, portals opening up beneath

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Metropolis, giant eyeballs in the sky. There's
just so much going on in this film. It seems like

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it's going to be the most epic Superman movie ever
made. Now, there is a rumor that this film is not

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going to have like a typical three act structure.
It's going to essentially be like a week in the life

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of Superman as it were. In fact, they even had like
chapters for this film that would be like Sunday,

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Monday, Tuesday. Now that was a rumor. I'm not
exactly sure if it was true, but again, this

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trailer feels like it's kind of all over the place,
but in a really good and epic way. I didn't feel like

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it was all over the place at all. There's a lot of
different types of villains that he's fighting,

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but it doesn't seem like it's outside of an
elaborate plan by Lex Luthor, who really seems to

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take the spotlight in this trailer. Yeah, I'm not
sure Lex Luthor is responsible for the portal

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beneath Metropolis or even the Kaiju. I would be
surprised if that was the case. I'm pretty sure

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that he will be the primary antagonist. But this is
a very, very action packed trailer. That's

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probably one of the reasons I really like it
because I love seeing Superman in action. Not only

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do we see him stop a series of toppling buildings,
but we also see him zipping around the skies,

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battling Kaiju's and other flying super powered
beings. A few of which I actually think might be

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Samson or Atlas from All Star Superman, just based
on their hairdos, which are a little bit blurry. I

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think they're intentionally keeping some of the
villains secret in the trailers, which is fine by

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me. I mean, there's one guy that he punches in the
face. I hope that's just not a normal human who's

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wearing a suit of armor. I think if you get punched
in the face by Superman and you're not super human,

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your head just explodes. This guy loses some
teeth, but it makes me wonder if Superman pulls his

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punches in the same way that Spider-Man does when
he's going up against normal people. Yeah, I'd

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like to think that these are some super powered
individuals, because yeah, I don't like the idea

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of Superman just punching an ordinary human. But
it is cool to see crypto get in on the action as well.

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As we see Superman fighting everyone, we also have
this voiceover from Lex Luthor, who's talking

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about how he's essentially going to kill him and
everyone he loves. It's not the best voiceover,

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but it does lend credence to the fact that he is the
primary antagonist for this movie and yeah,

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probably has an elaborate plot to basically kill
everyone. There's this wild shot of Superman

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holding a green baby while being wrapped up by this
other like alien octopus creature. I have no idea

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what's going on in that scene, but it looks
incredible. It's very different from I think

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anything we've seen before in a Superman film. Of
course, we also get to see the supporting cast,

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everyone from Lois Lane, who pilots a high tech
ship alongside Jimmy Olsen and Perry White, as

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well as the Justice League members Guy Gardner and
Mr. Terrific. They look awesome. I'm assuming

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that ship belongs to Mr. Terrific. Maybe, you
know, it's kind of round almost like one of his

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T-Spheres. That's a good guess, I would say. One of
the final shots of the trailer, we see Mr. Terrific

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call down to Superman, who looks really beat up
like he has two black eyes and he's facing down this

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portal beneath the city. Now, are those black eyes
or has he just been using his heat vision and that's

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like heat scarring? I didn't get the impression. I
would hope that using his heat vision would not

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give him scarring of any kind. I think it would
temporarily if he did a big enough heat vision

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blast. I don't think I would like that personally.
Who knows? Again, the scale of this movie just

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looks so massive. And I love the fact that James
Gunn seems to be giving Superman these challenges

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that really only Superman can face. Because what
are characters like the X-Men or Spider-Man gonna

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do when a massive black hole seems to open up
beneath the city? What is Superman gonna do? I

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guess we'll find out. All I know is he's probably
gonna save the day and I can't wait to find out how.

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Probably my favorite moment from this trailer is
also near the end where we see Superman surrounded

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by these flying villains. And he's just blasting
all of them with heat vision while spinning around

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super fast. It may be one of the coolest things I've
ever seen Superman do on screen. And I can't wait to

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see it in theaters. This trailer totally sold me on
getting tickets for the film. I bought mine. I hope

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you guys have too because it looks like it's gonna
be epic, especially on a really big screen like

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IMAX. I'm gonna go see it on the smallest screen I
can. Sucks to suck, I guess. But considering all of

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the cool stuff that we get to see Superman do in this
trailer, that brings us to our question of the

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week. What has been your favorite Superman moment
from past films or television series? And why? And

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this past week we got the official trailer number
two for the upcoming Iron Heart television series

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that's going to be released on Disney Plus,
starting on June 24th. Now Disney Plus is

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releasing three episodes of the six episode
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starting on June 24th, and then I think the
subsequent episodes will be released weekly. But

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this particular trailer is probably the most
exciting look at the show that we've gotten yet, in

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that it introduces the concept of
re-re-incorporating magic into her armor

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system. Which is pretty damn cool visually,
because as we see her heads up display come up, we

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see like sigils and runes and things like that.
It's a really cool concept that they briefly

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touched upon in the comic books, where we've seen
her incorporate like the 10 rings into her armor.

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And I remember one time she fought alongside Dr.
Strange, and she like accessed the Wellspring, I

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think it was called, and she was shooting out like
magic repulsors. I'm pretty positive all this

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magic occult stuff ties into the primary villain
of the show, who is the hood, who gets his powers via

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the demon Mephisto. Oh I thought Mephisto was
going to be the primary villain. Do you think Riri

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like sells her soul to get these powers? I think she
makes a deal with the hood, who is in turn powered by

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Mephisto. So it's going to be something like that.
But it's interesting because this whole time we

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thought that the show was going to be this set it off
style story where we see Riri steal in order to work

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on her armor designs. But it looks like she
actually goes much further than simply stealing,

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but she in fact taps into dark magic. So we're
definitely going to see her go down the rabbit hole

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as it were, and redeem herself by the end
hopefully. Yeah I had no idea that she had a history

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of tapping into magical sources in the comics.
That's interesting. Actually that's definitely

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the most interesting thing I've seen come out of
all of these trailers. I would agree with you. Well

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I mean it's not something that she regularly does
in the comic books, but there is precedent for

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including magic in this type of story. One of the
other big reveals that we got in this trailer is

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that the show will be including her AI assistant
named Natalie, and that she will be a 3D

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holographic projection, not just a voice within
the armor, kind of like how Jarvis and Friday were

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with Tony Stark's armor. I thought in the comics
that Tony Stark was her like AI assistant. No when

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he was dead for a time in the comic books his digital
consciousness did serve as like a mentor figure

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early on, but no he wasn't her AI assistant like
Natalie was. When Natalie was like who the hell

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else would it be, Bish? I was like Tony Stark? Yeah
Tony Stark is the answer to that question. I didn't

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love that line at all. That was just horrible
writing. You know who else I thought delivered

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terrible lines? Alden Ehrenreich. I'm still
pretty confused as to what his role is going to be in

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this show. Well as I mentioned before he's playing
Joe McGillicuddy who is an original character for

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this series. I think he's kind of serving as a Tony
Stark stand-in taking on that mental role from the

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comic books. I agree it's not great dialogue. The
whole taking things apart and putting it back

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together really gives off watchman vibes. And
also I just don't like the idea of him being her

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mentor. Like where is Shuri? Why isn't she
mentoring Riri? That's a great question. Yeah

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considering that Shuri helped facilitate her
previous armor in Wakanda Forever you think she'd

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be keeping tabs on her or something like that. In
the same way that the Dorya Milaje was keeping tabs

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on Bucky. Right right right and maybe they'll show
up who knows. All I know is that I'm way more excited

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for this show than Superman. And all I know is you
picked a hell of a week to stop sniffing glue. Going

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back to DC news recently it was announced that DC
Studios is putting out its second animated series

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after Kichir Commandos in Mr. Miracle which is
going to be based off of Tom King's Eisner

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award-winning mini series. We got our first look
at the show in a single frame that looks like it was

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ripped right from the comics. And we also got a
series description about how essentially Mr.

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Miracle will be battling Darkseid who attains the
anti-life equation the result of which is

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fracturing Mr. Miracle's mind. Now the comic book
series that this is based on dealt heavily with

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themes of like PTSD and depression. I'm not sure
it's the best storyline to introduce the new gods.

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I especially don't love the idea of our
introduction to Darkseid having him already

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attain the anti-life equation like that's
something you should absolutely build up to. So

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while I love the idea that Mr. Miracle is finally
getting his own show I don't love the storyline

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that they will be basing it off of. Well they might
alter the storyline a little bit to accommodate

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the greater DCU that they're establishing. It
could be more of like a personal story than

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touching on the larger plot behind that arc. I
think the show has a lot of work cut out for it. Not

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only does it need to introduce us to Jack Kirby's
fourth world and that whole cast of characters but

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it also needs to be a personal story set within a
larger world that James Gunn is developing

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essentially. Well he did a good job with that in
Creature Commanders. But that was a fairly

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self-contained story. When you're involving
characters like Darkseid and things like the

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anti-life equation if that doesn't affect other
DC projects I would feel like they would have made a

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mistake because really Darkseid and the
anti-life equation should be a Justice League

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level threat not just Mr. Miracle and Big Barda. I
guess it would be like saving Thanos and the

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Infinity Gauntlet for an animated series as
opposed to a whole saga of films. Exactly. I doubt

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they would do that and even if they do there's still
plenty of other large scale DC threats out there

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for the films to touch on. Now there is a way in which
they could keep this self-contained that would

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basically be to have Mr. Miracle contained within
an Omega Sanction which is a trap essentially set

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by Darkseid in which Mr. Miracle would just relive
countless lives over and over. We'll see if they go

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that route. They would almost need to. I think that
would be pretty cool actually. We'll have to keep

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an eye on who they cast as the voice actors for these
different characters because as James Gunn has

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said he wants there to be as much crossover between
the animation voice actors and live action actors

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as possible. And here's hoping we get a live action
new gods movie one day. I think most fans know that

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they try to get a live action new gods film off the
ground in the DCEU days with a film directed by Ava

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DuVernay but that didn't come to fruition. It is
nice to see this fourth world stuff finally get off

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the ground and hopefully it's done well. Yeah I
hope so. We don't know what network this is going to

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be on. It may not be on HBO Max. I guess they're
shopping it around so we'll see where it ends up and

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when it gets released. But that does it for all the
news for this episode so let's go ahead and move

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into our main event where we find out who'd win in a
fight between the two teams of the Freedom

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Fighters and X Factor. Alright Freedom Fighters
versus X Factor as we mentioned earlier these are

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two teams that have been backed by the government
going up against each other. That's kind of their

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thematic through line here although X Factor has
definitely spent time on its own not being

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government sanctioned but I think the most
prominent version of the X Factor team was

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spearheaded by government agent Valerie Cooper.
Who's that? Yeah I guess that means nothing to you

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if you don't know the comic books but she had a lot of
dealings with like the X-Men books putting

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together like Freedom Force. I go into it in our
Mystique versus Madame Rouge episode. Wait

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Freedom Force why does that sound familiar?
Because that was Mystique's team of mutants like

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the second iteration of the Brotherhood of
Mutants that were working for the government.

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They were kind of like Marvel's version of the
Suicide Squad for a while. I'm sorry the correct

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answer was because it's a ripoff of Freedom
Fighters. Now the Freedom Fighters actually had

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their own animated movie of sorts I guess you could
say they featured heavily in the Rey animated

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series which was set in the Arrowverse. Oh
interesting Yeah X Factor hasn't had their own

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show or series or anything like that but a lot of the
characters have already played roles within the

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live action X-Men films. Yeah characters like
Havoc were in the X-Men first class movies.

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Polaris was in that one X-Men TV show I forget the
name. Yeah the Gifted but Ice Man of course was in

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the movies. Multiple Man made an appearance in
X-Men 3. Beast of course was in the films. A whole

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bunch of them. Maybe if things go well for the DCU
one day we'll get a Freedom Fighters movie who

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knows. Oh that'd be cool. I'll say that there is an
impressive roster of characters on that team and

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we'll discuss that soon but to explain the
methodology behind our duels let's go to our

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sentient duel simulator Alfred Jarvis 9000. AJ9K
tell our listeners how you go about determining a

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winner in our team duel matchups. Yes of course sir
the way I determine a winner between the two teams

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is by running 1,000 Monte Carlo simulations
between every character on each team using their

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statistics. A Monte Carlo simulation is a
probabilistic model used to determine outcomes

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through random sampling. In this case I randomize
the statistics along a normal distribution as a

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way to simulate the many variables that can occur
during battle. The stat parameters are based on

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the official Marvel power grid from which the DC
characters statistics are extrapolated.

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Additional stat categories are included such as
range, damage potential, versatility and

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perception in order to create a more detailed and
accurate simulation. The results of the 49,000

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simulations provide a percentage of wins for each
character on both teams. The team with the higher

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average win rate is declared the victor as they
have a higher probability to win any given battle.

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In an equitable pairing neither team should win
100% of the matches. The comic book stories have

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shown that there's even a way for Batman to defeat
Superman so the confidence rate of my method falls

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in line with the precedents that have been
established in the source material. My

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mathematical simulations are without
subjectivity or bias. Feats are not the sole

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consideration nor are fan votes tabulated for
determination of the winner. Thanks A.J .9K.

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Before we run the simulations though we like to
break down each team's histories and rosters

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before improvising a scenario on how we imagine
one of the thousands of simulations would play out

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beat for beat. And it's my turn to go first with the
DC team's backstory so let me tell you about the

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Freedom Fighters. Now the Freedom Fighters began
as a group of American superheroes brought

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together during World War II by the mysterious
patriotic figure known as Uncle Sam. More than a

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man Uncle Sam was the living embodiment of
American ideals, a spiritual force that had taken

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form to protect the nation during times of crisis.
You can of course learn more about Uncle Sam in our

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Uncle Sam vs Captain Burr in dual episode. As war
erupted across the globe Uncle Sam foresaw grave

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danger ahead not just from the Nazis on earth but
from a parallel world where the Axis powers had

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already won. That world was Earth X, a twisted
mirror of earth where the Nazis won the war and were

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taking control of the entire planet. In an effort
to prevent the same fate from befalling his own

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world, Uncle Sam assembled a team of heroes to
travel to Earth X and resist its oppressive

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regime. His earliest group included lesser known
heroes like Neon the Unknown, Magno, Miss

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America, and the Invisible Hood among others.
They attempted to prevent the attack on Pearl

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Harbor but failed. Most of the team actually
perished in the mission with seemingly only Uncle

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Sam surviving. Undeterred, Uncle Sam assembled a
second team consisting of Black Condor, Dollman,

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the Human Bomb, the Ray, Phantom Lady, and the Red
Bee. They joined Uncle Sam on Earth X where they

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continued to fight against the Nazi regime that
had overrun the planet. Tragically, the Red Bee

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was killed during their first mission, rescuing
the hero Our Man from a Nazi villain known as Baron

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Blitzkrieg. Eventually, the team liberated
Earth X with the help of the Justice League from

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Earth One and the Justice Society from Earth Two.
You could learn more about both teams in their team

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duels against the Avengers and Fantastic Four
respectively. After their success, the Freedom

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Fighters became bored with peace and sought new
challenges. They migrated to Earth One where a

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misunderstanding with authorities led them to be
wrongfully accused of terrorism. Framed by a

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villain called the Silver Ghost, the team became
fugitives, struggling to clear their names while

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fending off both supervillains and law
enforcement. They set up a base in New York City's

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East Armory and continued operating as heroes
while being hunted by the authorities. While the

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team faced many threats including alien war
makers and demons like Kamulus, they briefly

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added new members like Firebrand and battled
alongside Superman, eventually preventing a

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neo-Nazi plot to destroy American foundational
documents. After that, they returned to Earth X.

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When the crisis on Infinite Earths destroyed
Earth X and folded its history into a single

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continuity known as New Earth, the Freedom
Fighters were retroactively made a part of the

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All-Star Squadron, a wartime superhero
collective that included other teams like the

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Seven Soldiers of Victory and the Justice
Society. With Uncle Sam having mysteriously

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vanished, the Freedom Fighters eventually faded
into obscurity. In modern times, Uncle Sam

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re-emerged as the spirit of America, taking on a
new form as the Patriot during an intergalactic

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conflict known as the Imperiax War. He gathered
together a new team of Freedom Fighters including

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Damage, Iron Man Rowe, and new versions of Black
Condor, Phantom Lady, and the Wray. They later

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worked with the Justice Society and operated as
federal agents. This team eventually met

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disaster while investigating superhuman
activity during another crisis event. Black

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Condor, Phantom Lady, and the Human Bomb were all
killed by members of the Seeker Society of

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Supervillains. Damage was gravely injured and
Wray was captured while Uncle Sam vanished once

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again. With their leader presumed dead and most of
the team destroyed, the Freedom Fighters

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effectively ceased to exist. Uncle Sam returned
years later, resurrected in the Mississippi

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River. With a new sense of purpose and warning of a
corrupt government on the rise, he recruited a new

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generation of heroes. Among them were new
versions of Firebrand, Dullman, Human Bomb,

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Phantom Lady, and the Wray. These new Freedom
Fighters had previously served as agents of the

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shadowy government agency, Shade, led by the
immortal Father Time. Uncle Sam opposed their

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brutal methods and convinced them to join his
fight against tyranny. Operating from a surreal

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extra-dimensional base called the Heartland,
the new team continued to add members, including a

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new Black Condor, Red Bee, and Invisible Hood.
Their main enemy became Father Time himself, who

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was working to install a mechanical doppelganger
of a U.S. Senator, Gonzo, the mechanical bastard,

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as President of the United States. Uncle Sam
discovered the plot and tried to expose Gonzo, but

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was captured along with his team by a new Miss
America, secretly one of Father Time's agents.

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The team was rescued by reinforcements that
included the resurrected original Miss America,

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who defeated her imposter. With new allies like
the Second Wray, who you can learn more about in our

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Wray vs. Havoc episode, the team regrouped and
fought back. They exposed Gonzo's identity in a

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public press conference, just as he unleashed an
army of mind-controlled metahumans. Father

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Time, betrayed by Gonzo, switched sides and
helped trap the robotic tyrant inside a special

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containment device. Before vanishing into the
time stream with brainwashed metas, Father Time

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revealed The president appointed the Freedom
Fighters as directors of Shade, though some

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members, like the Rey, chose to return to civilian
life. Their next battles were no less strange.

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They stopped a rogue nuclear launch orchestrated
by the calculator and later dealt with the bizarre

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evolution of the Red Bee, who had been transformed
into a human insect hybrid. Shade tried turning

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the team into media icons, but not everyone agreed
with this direction. Several members, including

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Uncle Sam, Dullman, Human Bomb, and Firebrand,
returned to the heartland in protest. Others

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remained and formed a new group called the
Crusaders. The Red Bee's condition worsened and

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she eventually lost control to her insectoid
instincts, enslaving the Crusaders and the

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Freedom Fighters through pheromones. A massive
battle erupted between the brainwashed heroes

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culminating in the intervention of Linkford
Tarrell, who had inherited the power of Nyand

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Yen-None. He cured Red Bee of the infestation and
the team stopped an insectoid invasion. Despite

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the victory, however, the group dissolved again.
Though Uncle Sam vowed they would return when

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needed. In post-Flashpoint continuity, the
Freedom Fighters appeared in alternate forms

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across the multiverse. On Earth 10, they were
reimagined as a resistance force fighting

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against a Nazi regime that had won World War II with
the help from Overman, a Superman-like figure

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raised under fascism. The team's members were
genetically engineered by Dr. Savanna to

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represent an inclusive, modern resistance
movement. It included alternate versions of Rey,

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Black Condor, Phantom Lady, and Dullman, and the
destruction of a Justice League orbital station

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over Metropolis. On the main Earth, a Chinese
version of the Freedom Fighters appeared, led by

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the flying Dragon General. Members included
analogues of the original team, such as Sunbeam

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for the Rey, Blue Condor, Ghost Woman, Folding
Paper Man, who was a version of Plastic Man, and

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Human Firecracker. These characters embodied
nationalistic ideals tailored to China,

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reflecting how the legacy of the Freedom Fighters
had spread beyond the United States. Recently,

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the original Freedom Fighters surviving
members, including Uncle Sam and Phantom Lady,

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reappeared during a discussion between Mr.
Trevick and Quiz Kid. There were shown mentoring,

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the time-lost Sidekicks Cherry Bomb, and
Ladybug, young heroes who had once been

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associated with the original human bomb and Red
Bee. And that's the Freedom Fighters history so

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far. Now, for my 7-person roster for the Freedom
Fighters, I of course started with Uncle Sam, the

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leader of the team, and the one responsible for
bringing various incarnations together. I'm

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also going with the original team members of Black
Condor, capable of flight thanks to his wind

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control, and the Rey, a being composed of pure
light energy, both of whom you can learn more about

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in our Black Condor vs. Warpath and Rey vs. Havoc
episodes. Original members we haven't done duels

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with yet that are on my team include Phantom Lady,
who can turn visible, intangible, and create

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holographic illusions, the human bomb, who
possesses a powerful explosive touch, as well as

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superhuman durability, and Dollman, the 6-inch
telekinetic. For the 7th and final member of my

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team, I decided to go with Plastic Man, a
short-lived member of the team, yet hands down the

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most popular character from Quality Comics,
where all of these characters originated prior to

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DC's acquisition of that company. And you of
course can learn more about Plastic Man in his duel

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against Mr. Fantastic. So to reiterate, my team
consists of Uncle Sam, Black Condor, Rey, Phantom

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Lady, Human Bomb, Dollman, and Plastic Man. Yeah,
I really like that roster except for Dollman, who

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is probably the worst DC character ever. You say
that about every DC character. That's true, but I

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really mean it this time. Dollman's basically
just an action figure with telekinesis. And his

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name is Dollman. You should be ashamed. Hey,
here's an acquisition, man. You came with the

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whole package. What are you gonna do? Well, I can
guarantee you there's no one named Dollman on X

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Factor, although some members did have some
pretty lame names like Strong Guy. Although

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Guido's power was pretty cool. Let me tell you all
about X Factor. The five original X-Men, Cyclops,

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Gene Gray, Angel, Beast, and Iceman, reunited
after Gene Gray was discovered alive after being

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thought dead and was temporarily replaced by the
cosmic entity known as the Phoenix Force, an event

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you can learn more about in our Raven vs. Phoenix
duel episode. The group, feeling out of place on a

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team now led by their old enemy, Magneto, formed X
Factor Incorporated with Angel using his wealth

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to fund the operation. To the public, X Factor was a
group of mutant hunters who captured dangerous

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individuals for pay. In truth, the team found and
sheltered young mutants in an effort to help them

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control and develop their newfound abilities.
While hunting the Alliance of Evil, they met

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Apocalypse, an ancient mutant who preached
survival of the fittest. He vanished after

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testing their strength in their first encounter,
promising to return. Soon, the villain Mr.

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Sinister's mutant henchmen known as the
Marauders butchered a group of mutants called the

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Morlocks who were living in the sewers under
Manhattan. Angel rushed in to help and the killers

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severely damaged his wings. Broken and bitter, he
tried to attempt suicide but Apocalypse saved him

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and experimented on him, giving him metal wings
and blue skin. Angel was transformed into Death,

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one of Apocalypse's agents known as the Four
Horsemen. Angel later broke free of his mind to

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control, yet his new form and the name Archangel
stayed with him. You can learn more about

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Archangel and Apocalypse in their respective
duels against Zoriel and Black Adam.

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Apocalypse's horseman attacked Central Park,
and X Factor saved thousands of civilians, many

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belonging to the same crowd that had cursed
mutants in fear. With Apocalypse defeated, the

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team moved into his captured living starship, a
base big enough for all their young students.

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Later, demons warped the mind of Cyclops' wife and
Jean's clone named Madeleine Pryor, turning her

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into a possessed villain known as the Goblin
Queen. She tried to sacrifice her and Cyclops' son

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Nathan on the Empire State Building, but X Factor
and the X-Men teamed up to stop her. However,

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Apocalypse soon kidnapped Nathan and infected
him with a techno-organic virus to kill him.

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Rebels from 2000 years into the future traveled to
the present and took the baby forward in time to

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save him. He would return later as the hero Cable,
whom you can learn more about in his dual episode

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against Booster Gold. After a final fight on Muir
Island against the evil psychic entity Shadow

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King, the founding five X Factor members rejoined
the X-Men and X Factor closed its first chapter.

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You can learn more about the X-Men in their team
dual against the Titans. Federal agent Valerie

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Cooper believed the United States needed a public
mutant team and asked Cyclops' brother Havoc to

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lead a government-backed X Factor. Cooper also
brought aboard Lorna Dane, a magnetic-powered

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mutant called Polaris. When Lorna was a young
teen, her parents argued mid-flight on a private

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plane. The stress triggered her hidden magnetism
power, which tore the plane apart and turned her

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hair green. The mutant magneto sensed the
magnetic pulse and rescued Lorna, later learning

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that she was his daughter. He left her with
relatives to grow up safely and as an adult, she

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joined the X-Men and later joined Havoc as the
second X Factor recruit. Valerie Cooper also

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contacted Jamie Madrox, the mutant known as
Multiple Man. From the moment Jamie was born, when

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the doctor slapped his baby behind, the child
split into a perfect duplicate. Born with the

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mutant power of kinetic duplication, Jamie wore a
suit that absorbed his shocks so he would not keep

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dividing. Years later, after leaving his Kansas
farm, the X-Men's leader Professor Xavier

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discovered and taught Jamie how to reabsorb his
duplicates and keep their memories. As Multiple

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Man, he became the team's instant backup. Wolf
Spain, a Scott's girl who could shift into a wolf,

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signed on next. Strong Guy, who stored impact
energy as muscle and the speedster Quicksilver,

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rounded out the new squad. Together, they stopped
Mr. Sinister, foiled extremists in the war-torn

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Middle East, and guarded witnesses from mutant
killers like Cyber. On the island of Genosha, when

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one of Multiple Man's duplicates caught the
lethal legacy virus and died, the team feared the

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original Multiple Man was lost. Strong Guy
absorbed an alien bomb blast over Magipore and

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suffered a heart attack that put him in a coma.
Havoc, quit in grief, and Forge, a mutant inventor

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who could build any device he imagined, became the
team's new leader. Washington soon forced

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Mystique and the Feral Sabertooth onto the
roster, but soon, funding dried up and the

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government squad dissolved. The original
Multiple Man later resurfaced in New York's

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mutant town and opened X-Factor Investigations,
a private detective agency. He hired Wolfsbane

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and the recovered Strong Guy, also welcoming
Teresa Cassidy into the agency. Teresa, called

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Siren, could shatter steel with her sonic scream.
Raised by her criminal uncle, Black Tom Cassidy,

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she once aided him in robberies, unaware that her
real father was the heroic X-Men member Banshee,

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from whom she acquired her powers. After being
caught stealing by Spider-Woman, Siren chose a

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better path with X-Factor Investigations. The
mutants Monet, St. Croix, and Richter joined

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next, followed by Leila Miller, a team with hidden
knowledge about the mass loss of mutant powers

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around the world caused by the Scarlet Witch, an
event you can learn more about in her duel against

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Zatana. When the X-Factor detectives outsmarted
the rival firm, Singularity Investigations, the

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anti-mute agency retaliated by firing a
power-dampening dart into Siren's throat,

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temporarily stripping her upper power.
Quicksilver later appeared with Tarogen

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crystals stolen from the Inhumans that could
restore a mutant's lost powers, but also cripple

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the user. X-Factor exposed the risk and drove him
off. You can learn more about this in our Flash vs.

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Quicksilver episode. Leila Miller later
followed a multiple-man duplicate into a future

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where mutants were jailed, while the present
multiple-man battled Cortex, who was a rogue

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duplicate who had become an evil murderer. The
billionaire Cade bombed New York's mutant town,

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forcing the agency to move to Detroit. After Siren
was impregnated by multiple-man, or perhaps one

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of his duplicates, she gave birth to a boy named
Sean, named after her father. However, while

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holding the infant, multiple-man involuntary
absorbed his child, who was born with the same

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powers, an act that devastated both parents.
Later, when Polaris' mind unraveled after being

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tortured by Apocalypse, Siren bargained with the
Celtic goddess Morrigan for power that healed

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Lorna, yet bound Siren to the deity's service.
During these struggles, Jaime recruited

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Longshot to the agency, a genetically engineered
rebel from the television ratings-obsessed

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dimension of Mojo World. Longshot had enhanced
physiology, limited psychometry, throwing

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knives, and a subconscious gift to bent
probability in his favor. After finding an

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interdimensional portal to Earth, he helped the
X-Men repel an invasion by Mojo, his impossible

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luck earning him the moniker Longshot. When the
agency dissolved, Polaris accepted an offer from

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several industries to lead a short-lived,
corporate-backed X-Factor team with Gambit,

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Quicksilver, Danger, Cipher, and Warlock on the
team. During this time, they rescued mutant

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hostages from the evil science organization AIM,
retrieved stolen data from the Thieves Guild, and

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prevented a potential threat by the tech-narci,
an artificially intelligent alien race. When

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Professor Xavier founded the island nation of
Cracowa, the mutant North Star formed another

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X-Factor team. He drafted Polaris, his twin
sister Aurora, Wolverine's son Daken, the

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power-mimicking prodigy, illusion-spotting
i-boy, and the telepathic prestige. Their

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assigned task for their new nation was to confirm a
mutant's death so that Cracowa's resurrection

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protocols would not create accidental
duplicates. The team's first cases took them into

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Mojo World's lethal live streams, and later to
Alberta, Canada, after Siren, who was still bound

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to Morrigan, repeatedly caused her own death in
order to stall the Celtic Deity's mass sacrifice

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of every mutant on Cracowa. The mutant
Shatterstar's dimension-cutting swords killed

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the goddess, freeing Siren from her control.
X-Factor later investigated the mysterious

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death of the Scarlet Witch on Cracowa, though it
was determined to be an elaborate ruse by her and

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Magneto. Their plan used Chaos Magic to establish
on Cracowa a magic plane of existence called the

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Waiting Group, which allowed Cerebro to scan
through time for mutants to use in Cracowa's

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resurrection protocols, ensuring that every
mutant who had ever died, past or future, had a

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chance at resurrection. This plane, however, was
destroyed during the fall of Cracowa. That's

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X-Factor's history. For the seven-person
roster, I'm going with a mix of mutants from across

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the various iterations of the team. This includes
the original members Beast and Iceman, who formed

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the first X-Factor alongside their original
X-Men teammates, and both have their own

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individual duels. Also on my team are Havoc,
Polaris, and multiple men who were founding

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members of the X-Factor's government team. Out of
that group, only Havoc has his own duel. And for my

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final two, I'm going with members of the X-Factor
Investigations Agency, Siren, and Longshot. So

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to reiterate, that's Beast, Iceman, Havoc,
Polaris, multiple men, Siren, and Longshot.

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Yeah, this is a solid roster, and I'm actually
surprised some of those members like Iceman and

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Beast haven't been in previous team duel episodes
with other X-Men characters. I'm glad we finally

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get around with them. Yeah, for sure. Some of my
favorite X-Men characters of all time are members

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of X-Factor. I'm a huge Jamie Madrox fan, multiple
man, and while it's a shame we won't be doing an

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individual duel with him, I'm glad to at least be
doing this team duel with the character. Yeah, he

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has one of the coolest powers in comics, I think. If
I could have any super power, like my list of top

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five would definitely be multiple man's powers.
Yeah, and his Madrox series and X-Factor written

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by Peter David rest in peace, he did a phenomenal
job writing Jamie Madrox as a character. Now that

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we've got the teams, histories, and rosters out of
the way, let's speculate on how one of the

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thousands of simulated matches will go. The
winners determined by simulations, not our

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speculation, but it's fun to imagine how the fight
could play out. AJ and IK, what are the rules of our

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speculation? Well, I should say there are no
rules, other than the teams have no prior

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knowledge of the other going into the fight. All
they are aware of starting out is that the other

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side is a threat that needs to be eliminated. For
the speculation, the groups will begin

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approximately 50 meters apart in a nondescript
environment that will have no bearing on the match

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itself, as no environmental statistics are
considered in my simulations. The teams must earn

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victory on their own merit. All right, then let's
get into it. Freedom fighters and X-Factor meet on

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the battlefield. Who goes first? I'm going to say
Uncle Sam goes first, and he's going to start by

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growing about six stories tall right off the bat,
and he's going to point to the X-Factor and say, I

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want you to die. And so he's going to leap towards
them and land right on top of the group, just

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stopping them all into the ground with his giant
feet. No, but Siren is going to shout out a sonic

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blast at Uncle Sam as he's trying to land on them.
And the sonic force waves are going to make him fall

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short in his leap, and he's just going to fall on his
ass instead. And then Havoc unloads a giant plasma

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blast in Freedom Fighters direction that for sure
incinerates Uncle Sam, but also just

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disintegrates the rest of the team. For sure. No.
Uncle Sam is basically invulnerable. So he may get

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burned, but he's not going to disintegrate. In
fact, actually his body is going to act as a barrier

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between both teams, and he's going to protect his
side from Havoc's energy. And from behind Uncle

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Sam, the ray is just going to zip right into the sky
and rain lasers down upon X-Factor, which is going

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to provide cover for the rest of his team to emerge
into the battle. Well, Polaris throws up an

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electromagnetic shield that'll protect
X-Factor from the ray's lasers and also provide

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that team with cover to go out into the battle. And
right away, Iceman rides over to Black Condor, and

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he's going to be like, let's clip those wings, and
he's just going to perforate Black Condor's wings

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with the volley of icicles, just turning the wings
into Swiss cheese. So now the dude can't even fly.

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No, I'm going to say Black Condor totally saw
Iceman sliding toward him, because how could he

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not? And he's going to counter these icicles with a
generated gust of wind that's strong enough to

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redirect them toward, let's say, beast. And it's
going to attack him in his chest and in each of his

537
00:52:53,560 --> 00:53:00,540
limbs. Well, okay, so beast gets tagged with like
one or two of these icicles, but the damage is minor

538
00:53:00,540 --> 00:53:06,520
at best. He also has quick enough reflexes to avoid
the rest of the ice spikes by flipping into the air.

539
00:53:06,520 --> 00:53:12,660
And in fact, he catches one of the icicles, and he's
going to land on Uncle Sam's giant head and

540
00:53:12,660 --> 00:53:17,840
probably make some quip about the sorry state of US
politics before just jamming the icicle right

541
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:24,100
into one of Uncle Sam's eyes. So now Uncle Sam has no
depth perception for the rest of this match. Well,

542
00:53:24,100 --> 00:53:30,020
let's say Dull Man was on Uncle Sam when this
happened, just kind of hiding out. And he's

543
00:53:30,020 --> 00:53:36,300
definitely too small for beast to notice. So
before beast can even land on Uncle Sam, Dull Man is

544
00:53:36,300 --> 00:53:43,460
going to telekinetically stall beast in midair
and then hurl him really hard right into long

545
00:53:43,460 --> 00:53:49,340
shots, sending both of them toppling across the
ground. Except that with long shots, good luck

546
00:53:49,340 --> 00:53:56,200
power. He ducks out of the way just in time. So beast
misses hitting long shot and instead he rolls into

547
00:53:56,200 --> 00:54:03,380
a ball that plows right into Phantom Lady, like a
furry 300 pound bowling ball. Okay. And he just

548
00:54:03,380 --> 00:54:10,860
knocks her right the heck out. Except that Phantom
Lady was invisible and intangible at the time. So

549
00:54:10,860 --> 00:54:16,660
no, actually he slams into multiple man. And
that's just going to send new versions of multiple

550
00:54:16,660 --> 00:54:21,900
man scattered everywhere. Well, she's like an
impact of that magnitude would probably create

551
00:54:21,900 --> 00:54:27,100
like 20 duplicates of multiple man
instantaneously. And I'm going to say that all 20

552
00:54:27,100 --> 00:54:33,160
of these dupes are going to run over to the human
bomb and just start stomping his ass like they owe

553
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:40,140
him money. Human bomb. You clearly know nothing
about human bomb. You fucked up. I'm going to say as

554
00:54:40,140 --> 00:54:46,600
these multiple men are attacking the human bomb,
he's going to pull off one of his gloves and just

555
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:53,780
punch one of them right in the shin, generating
this massive explosion that disrupts the entire

556
00:54:53,780 --> 00:54:59,580
environment. Everyone just goes flying away from
the explosion and all of the multiple men

557
00:54:59,580 --> 00:55:05,800
themselves, including the original, capture the
brunt of this explosion and get disintegrated.

558
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:11,120
You can't do that. No, that was way too quick for
multiple man. He didn't know what human bomb does.

559
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:17,500
How was multiple man supposed to know? He's going
to learn today. He just did. Okay, so multiple

560
00:55:17,500 --> 00:55:25,120
man's out and the battlefield is a shallow crater.
Everyone's scattered. The dupes are dead and

561
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:31,620
everyone on X Factor is probably like, oh, shit, we
got to get rid of this human bomb guy. So I'm just

562
00:55:31,620 --> 00:55:36,260
going to go out on a limb here and say that I think the
human bomb suit is made out of metal. Oh, no,

563
00:55:36,260 --> 00:55:45,500
actually, it's a material called fibrowax. It's
like this non-metallic heat resistant material.

564
00:55:45,500 --> 00:55:50,480
It's like the only thing he could touch that
doesn't explode because it's chemically inert.

565
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:58,080
Fucking course it is. Well, then Iceman freezes
human bomb. So now he's just frozen in this big ice

566
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:05,660
cube and Siren lets out a sonic cry that shatters
the ice cube and human bomb to pieces. So he's out of

567
00:56:05,660 --> 00:56:11,940
this match now. No more threat from him.
Meanwhile, Havoc fires a plasma wave at Plastic

568
00:56:11,940 --> 00:56:17,520
Man that just melts him into a plastic puddle.
Okay, well, Plastic Man, of course, is going to be

569
00:56:17,520 --> 00:56:22,900
super extra about it. He's going to transform to
look like the Wicked Witch of the West. He's going

570
00:56:22,900 --> 00:56:29,420
to be like, I'm melting. I'm melting. And that's
going to get the attention of Black Condor, who is

571
00:56:29,420 --> 00:56:34,820
just going to dive bomb Havoc and knock him onto the
ground, which is going to give Plastic Man just

572
00:56:34,820 --> 00:56:42,700
enough time to spring into the air and turn into
this small house that lands on Havoc crushing his

573
00:56:42,700 --> 00:56:49,800
body with only his legs poking out from beneath the
foundation. So Havoc's dead. Why all the Wizard of

574
00:56:49,800 --> 00:56:55,880
Oz references? I don't know. Plastic Man just
watched the movie. It was tough to mine. Okay,

575
00:56:55,880 --> 00:57:03,400
well, Polaris would be upset by Havoc's death.
She's angry and she's so angry that she emits a

576
00:57:03,400 --> 00:57:10,240
electromagnetic wave that fries all the tech on
the battlefield. So that would include Phantom

577
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:16,360
Lady's tech, right? And whoever else uses tech.
And at the very least, I think the EMP would make Ray

578
00:57:16,360 --> 00:57:20,700
puke his guts or something. Oh, right. Because
he's sensitive to electromagnetic energy.

579
00:57:20,700 --> 00:57:28,420
Maybe, maybe. But yeah, Phantom Lady really is the
only one on the team who uses tech. It would disrupt

580
00:57:28,420 --> 00:57:34,000
her Black Light technology that gives her her
powers. So, you know, she's probably not

581
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:40,020
invisible or intangible anymore. Good. Because
that's when Beast leaps over to her and lands like

582
00:57:40,020 --> 00:57:46,780
this 25 hit combo. Just like a cartwheel kick
followed by like a breakdance windmill move and

583
00:57:46,780 --> 00:57:52,740
like a capoeira butterfly kick thing. Phantom
Lady is just getting hit like, uh, and then, you

584
00:57:52,740 --> 00:58:00,460
know, she's dead. Wow. Okay. Meanwhile, Polaris,
she's suddenly going to get wrapped up in a giant

585
00:58:00,460 --> 00:58:07,200
Plastic Man burrito. Like literally it's a giant
tortilla with goggles. And in her panic while

586
00:58:07,200 --> 00:58:14,640
trying to get out, she's going to quickly use up all
of her air and suffocate. So, she's out. A burrito

587
00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:20,440
is a weird way to go out. But I'm going to say this is a
frozen burrito because Iceman just froze Plastic

588
00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:26,820
Man and Plastic Man's out of the match because Ice
is his weakness. But Iceman grows into a giant form

589
00:58:26,820 --> 00:58:32,420
like an Ice Giant about the same size as Uncle Sam.
And he's going to grab this frozen Plastic Man

590
00:58:32,420 --> 00:58:38,200
burrito and just slap it across the face of Uncle
Sam. So Plastic Man shatters and Uncle Sam just got

591
00:58:38,200 --> 00:58:46,200
walloped in the face. Okay. So you literally awoke
a sleeping giant. Bad move because while Iceman is

592
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:54,380
distracted by treading blows with Uncle Sam, Rey
is going to just bombard Iceman from above with

593
00:58:54,380 --> 00:59:00,700
heat waves. That's going to melt him and evaporate
him simultaneously so that Iceman becomes

594
00:59:00,700 --> 00:59:09,760
non-existent, basically. Okay. But Beast, after
beating the crap out of Phantom Lady, he used his

595
00:59:09,760 --> 00:59:15,880
ingenuity to get her Black Light technology
working again because he studied it and he's smart

596
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:22,620
like that. And he's going to use her Black Light
technology to emit a Black Light hologram that

597
00:59:22,620 --> 00:59:27,220
he's going to shoot at the Rey, which is going to
encase the Rey in darkness and just erase him from

598
00:59:27,220 --> 00:59:34,900
this match. Interesting. Okay. Science. That was
a good move, actually. But suddenly, Uncle Sam's

599
00:59:34,900 --> 00:59:42,140
giant top hat is going to slam down over Beast and
when he lifts it back up, Beast is gone because he

600
00:59:42,140 --> 00:59:47,860
was banished to the Heartland dimension by Uncle
Sam, who used his hat like a portal. What is he? Some

601
00:59:47,860 --> 00:59:55,040
kind of stage magician? Sure. Instead of pulling a
rabbit out of a hat, he puts a beast into it. But then

602
00:59:55,040 --> 01:00:03,260
all of a sudden, Uncle Sam's head explodes. What?
And Dollman crawls out of it. Why? Because Siren

603
01:00:03,260 --> 01:00:10,980
used her hypnotizing Siren song to lure Dollman
into going into Uncle Sam's head and then blowing

604
01:00:10,980 --> 01:00:18,580
it up with a mental blast. Dang. Well, with the
death of Uncle Sam, the leader of the team, Black

605
01:00:18,580 --> 01:00:26,800
Condor is going to fly literal around Siren,
trapping her in a tornado that's also going to suck

606
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:31,960
the air away from her. And that's going to prevent
her from using her sound powers while also

607
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:38,780
simultaneously knocking her unconscious from
the lack of oxygen. So Siren's out. But then all of a

608
01:00:38,780 --> 01:00:46,060
sudden, Black Condor falls out of the sky because
he got a throwing blade to the face. And yeah, he's

609
01:00:46,060 --> 01:00:52,820
high up in the air, but Longshot threw the blade and
Longshot's aim is lucky like that, which means

610
01:00:52,820 --> 01:01:01,700
that the battle is down to Longshot and Dollman.
Oh, shit. OK, Dollman, he's a master of stealth

611
01:01:01,700 --> 01:01:06,540
operations. So he's just going to use the
environment and like all of the bodies strewn

612
01:01:06,540 --> 01:01:12,840
about to hide from Longshot. And he's going to wait
until Longshot just stumbles right over him. And

613
01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:17,800
that's when Dollman is going to do a leaping
uppercut right to Longshot's abdomen, just

614
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:24,040
knocking the wind out of him. And with Longshot on
his knees, trying to breathe, that's when Dollman

615
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:30,320
is going to deliver a knockout punch right to
Longshot's temple, knocking him out. So Dollman

616
01:01:30,320 --> 01:01:37,140
is like leaping around doing all this punching.
Yeah. OK. Well, when Dollman first makes contact

617
01:01:37,140 --> 01:01:42,660
when he knocks the wind out of Longshot, that's
when Longshot got a glimpse of Dollman's future

618
01:01:42,660 --> 01:01:48,580
using his psychometry. So Longshot knows that the
second blow to his head is coming while he's

619
01:01:48,580 --> 01:01:54,340
kneeling. So instead of landing that shot,
Dollman just jumps into a knife that Longshot

620
01:01:54,340 --> 01:02:02,420
threw and the match is over. Nah, because Dollman,
he's really agile for his size. And so as the knife

621
01:02:02,420 --> 01:02:09,180
is coming at him, Dollman's just going to freeze it
midair, jump onto the blade like he's surfing it,

622
01:02:09,180 --> 01:02:15,460
and he's going to ride it as he telekinetically
hurls it right into Longshot's own neck. Yeah, he

623
01:02:15,460 --> 01:02:20,880
meant to do that, but he mistimed everything and
then got cleaved into by the knife. Caused, of

624
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:26,860
course, by Longshot's probability
manipulation. That's dumb. That's also probably

625
01:02:26,860 --> 01:02:33,660
a good place to leave the match. Either Dollman
uses Longshot's own blade against him or Dollman

626
01:02:33,660 --> 01:02:39,360
just has bad luck and ends up getting cleaved into.
Let's go ahead and put the team members statistics

627
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:47,140
into our simulator, run the sims, and come back
with the winner. A.J .9K, hit it! Inputting data,

628
01:02:47,140 --> 01:02:52,680
running calculations, processing results,
simulations complete. What'd you think of this

629
01:02:52,680 --> 01:02:57,300
episode? I thought it was pretty fun. I liked the
rosters on both teams. They're definitely really

630
01:02:57,300 --> 01:03:02,520
cool characters. Like I mentioned earlier that
Multiple Man had a cool power set, but so does like

631
01:03:02,520 --> 01:03:08,420
the human bomb and Phantom Lady and Rey and really
all of the members of the Freedom Fighters. Yeah,

632
01:03:08,420 --> 01:03:14,800
it was really fun to pair those characters against
X Factor. In order to maintain like, a semblance of

633
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:20,680
fairness between these rosters, we like to pair up
each of the characters. So in this instance, we

634
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:27,640
went with Rey and Iceman, Plastic Man and Multiple
Man, Dollman and Longshot, Black Condor and

635
01:03:27,640 --> 01:03:34,960
Siren, Phantom Lady and Polaris, Human Bomb and
Havoc, and Uncle Sam and Beast. I thought those

636
01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:40,180
were pretty damn good pairings. Yeah, a few of
those would have made fantastic individual dual

637
01:03:40,180 --> 01:03:45,100
episodes. Inputting the team statistics, it
looks like the biggest differences between the

638
01:03:45,100 --> 01:03:51,060
teams were in the categories of durability and
perception, with the Freedom Fighters being way

639
01:03:51,060 --> 01:03:57,480
more durable, like shockingly more durable than X
Factor. As compared to some of DC's characters

640
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:04,160
like Plastic Man, Uncle Sam, Human Bomb, who all
have increased durability. Yeah, the Rey can

641
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:09,100
regenerate and stuff like that. My most durable
character was Iceman, who could also regenerate.

642
01:04:09,100 --> 01:04:14,240
But we had decent evasiveness like Polaris has her
force fields, Longshot has his probability

643
01:04:14,240 --> 01:04:19,720
manipulation, and Iceman also has shielding. We
did say that the X Factor team was much more

644
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:25,660
versatile. A lot of the Freedom Fighter members
are kind of one-trick ponies. I think another

645
01:04:25,660 --> 01:04:30,840
category that sticks out is range. A lot of the X
Factor guys have some sort of ranged attack,

646
01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:36,400
except for Beast. Now, I definitely had the most
powerful character on both teams in the Rey,

647
01:04:36,400 --> 01:04:41,100
surprisingly. No, he wasn't the most powerful. He
actually tied with Polaris, who was also very

648
01:04:41,100 --> 01:04:47,080
powerful and the most powerful on X Factor,
stat-wise. But X Factor had the weakest members

649
01:04:47,080 --> 01:04:53,040
out of both teams in Siren and Havoc, which is
shocking to say because they're both pretty

650
01:04:53,040 --> 01:04:59,240
powerful characters. So I think that just goes to
show that both teams have really solid rosters. So

651
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:04,540
with all of this said, Joseph, which team do you
think came out on top? I think it's going to be X

652
01:05:04,540 --> 01:05:12,160
Factor. And Instagram agrees with me, because 61%
of our followers who took part in our poll said that

653
01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:17,120
X Factor would win. And I think the win rate's going
to be right around there. I feel like anytime you

654
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:23,060
pit an X-Men team against any other team, people
are going to vote for the X-Men team. They're just,

655
01:05:23,060 --> 01:05:30,920
yeah, more popular. As they should. But are they
right? Let's find out. AJ9K, the results please.

656
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:39,180
Hey, you are, sir. The winner in the team duel
matchup between Freedom Fighters and X Factor

657
01:05:39,180 --> 01:05:49,720
is... Freedom Fighters! Bish! How the hell did
that happen? By how much? Freedom Fighters won

658
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:59,700
56.2% of the simulated matches compared to X
Factor's 43.8. So it was close, but not that close,

659
01:05:59,700 --> 01:06:06,520
I guess. You thought X Factor was going to beat
Freedom Fighters by 61%. Yeah. What? Why not?

660
01:06:06,520 --> 01:06:11,760
Because they're not that good, bro. I was
initially thinking about having Quicksilver on

661
01:06:11,760 --> 01:06:18,480
this team duel, and I wonder if maybe I should have
replaced Longshot or Siren with Quicksilver, who

662
01:06:18,480 --> 01:06:22,960
may have been more statistically impressive. I
was thinking about that when you were listing all

663
01:06:22,960 --> 01:06:28,440
the different characters that were on the team,
and I was like, oh, Quicksilver, why was he not on

664
01:06:28,440 --> 01:06:32,620
this roster? Not that it would have made a
difference. It probably wouldn't have made a

665
01:06:32,620 --> 01:06:36,880
difference. I think I still would have lost,
because even Quicksilver is not that much

666
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:42,420
statistically better than Longshot or Siren or
Havoc. Freedom Fighters, I guess, is just a team

667
01:06:42,420 --> 01:06:48,060
composed of cheater characters who are way too
powerful for their own good. Just vague and

668
01:06:48,060 --> 01:06:53,640
powerful. That's all DC has. I mean, they didn't
even start on DC. They were quality comics

669
01:06:53,640 --> 01:06:59,220
characters that DC acquired. Well, they acquired
them because the characters were vague and super

670
01:06:59,220 --> 01:07:06,580
powerful. And winners, unlike your team, of
losers. Now, actually, the losers are a DC team as

671
01:07:06,580 --> 01:07:14,340
well. Oh, yeah, that's fair. That's true. But that
does it for this duel. AJ9K help close us out.

672
01:07:14,340 --> 01:07:20,120
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677
01:07:44,240 --> 01:07:50,480
our next episode, in lead up to the Superman film,
we will be doing another duel episode this time

678
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:57,100
between the Green Lantern Guy Gardner against
Gord the God Butcher. That'll be a fun one. Can't

679
01:07:57,100 --> 01:08:01,900
wait for Guy to get his ass kicked. But that does it
for this episode. We want to give a big thanks to our

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executive producers, John Strausky, Zachary
Hepburn, Dustin Balcom, Maggie Mathen-Geehan,

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682
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01:08:16,740 --> 01:08:22,060
Williams, Oscar Galvez, and Paul Graves for
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01:08:22,060 --> 01:08:26,600
you guys next week. I'm up and away, true
believers. But the real question is who would win

685
01:08:26,600 --> 01:08:29,000
between X Factor and the Masked Singer. Am I right?