Green Lantern (Guy Gardner) vs Gorr the God Butcher

This is a DynaMic Network Podcast. Hi, welcome to the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly show where we review superhero films and debate the superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing their characters in stat-based battle simulations. I'm Johnny DC. 

And I'm his twin brother, Marvelous Joe. And in this episode, as a tie-in to the upcoming Superman film that's coming out in less than a month, we are pitting the Green Lantern Guy Gardner against Gorr the God Butcher. Now, you may remember Gorr from the terrible movie, Thor, Love and Thunder, and you'll be seeing Guy in the Superman movie, which is why this is a tie-in. 

The equally terrible Superman movie you forgot to say. Oh, it's going to be amazing, dude. It's going to suck. 

I'm just putting that out there. It's not even going to be comparable to Thor, Love and Thunder. It's going to be infinitely better because that was like the worst thing Marvel's ever put out. One of the worst things for sure. 

Christian Bale definitely deserved better. But yeah, this will be an interesting one. I kind of feel bad for Guy Gardner because I think he's going to get the shit kicked out of him by Gorr. I just don't see any other way this fight's going to go down. I just realized this is kind of a similar battle to what we did with our White Lantern versus Null episode. 

Yeah, except the characters of Null and White Lantern are much more powerful than Guy Gardner and Gorr. Okay, cool. It's a lesser episode of that then. Sweet. 

Pretty much. Well, I'm still looking forward to it. I know there's a lot of Guy Gardner fans out there. I don't really think there's any Gorr fans, but we're going to find out who's going to win between the two characters later on in this episode. I'm a Gorr fan. 

You would be gross. Before we get into the battle, we're going to break down the comic book movie news from the past week of which we got quite a few news items. We learned that John Berndtall's Punisher is going to join the fourth Spider-Man movie, Brand New Day. Clayface was cast in this film, and we got the official trailer for Sandman Season 2. 

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Check it out at patreon.com. Thanks, AJ9K, and thanks to everyone who supports the podcast. Guys, be sure to tune in to the other shows and the Dynamite podcast network this week, including the console combat podcast, where hosts John and Dean simulate battles between popular video game characters. In yesterday's episode, they rebued Kingsglaive Final Fantasy XV. Over on the Max Destruction podcast, hosts Scotty and Gilly pit your favorite action heroes from film and television against each other. This week, the brothers are pitting the White Ranger and his Tiger's Orde against Servo from the Superhuman Samurai Cyber Squad. And on the Send Joe World podcast, host Zachary Hepburn speculates on fights between fan favorite anime and manga characters. In his next episode, Zach is going to review K-pop demon hunters on Netflix. 

Visit dynamicpodcasts.com or click the link in our show notes to listen to all of the shows in the Dynamite podcast network. But with that out of the way, click to the No Prize. A No Prize is an award that Marvel used to give out to fans. 

Our version, the Dynamic Dual No Prize, is a digital award we post on Instagram for the person that we feel gave the best answer to our question of the week. Last week, we asked you guys, what has been your favorite Superman moment from past films or television series and why? We got five answers this week. We're going to break down our three honorable mentions before revealing the week's No Prize winner. Our first honorable mention goes to Travis Herndon, who said, What's up, dynamic dudes? Travis here. 

Shout out to my evil twin. So my choice would be from the movie Superman vs. the Elite, the instant lobotomy. That scene was just straight up badass because one, we never seen Heat Vision use that small to go through somebody's eye and like fuck up their powers and stuff to eternally without them knowing. So to me, instant lobotomy is the best Superman moment for me. 

Hands down. Yeah, so Superman vs. the Elite was a direct-to-video animated film based off of Action Comics 775, which was titled What's So Funny about Truth, Justice, and the American Way. In which Superman goes up against a group of anti-heroes known as the Elite, who kind of try and make Superman seem like he's obsolete. And when he turns their bad guy rules against them, he kind of shows them that, hey, you're lucky I don't play in a moral gray area like you guys do. One of the things he did, of course, was take away the powers of the leader, Manchester Black. And he did it in the most like badass way. Yeah, it was kind of an ethically shaky action on behalf of Superman, right? 

I agree. Because what he did is he combined his X-ray vision with his microscopic vision, slash telescopic vision, I think, and his Heat Vision. You think that he could do this all the time against other villains. 

I'm not sure why he doesn't, I guess because it's a morally shaky action. But it's definitely an interesting feat for the character. I remember reading one JLA comic book issue where Marshall Manhunter linked the minds of Superman and the Flash, and the Flash was telepathically able to see through Superman's X-ray vision. And then he phased into a guy's head to do a similar effect where he messed with his brain to remove his superpowers. And then, of course, we also have the identity crisis arc, which was all about the Justice League performing brain surgery on villains to make him less evil. It's such a bizarre use of superpowers that has been kind of a recurring motif among DC superheroes. Yeah, it's kind of like clockwork orange in a way where it's like, can you force people to be moral? 

And it is not ethically sound, I would say. But of course, in the Justice League versus the Elite storyline, the effects were temporary. Like Superman made Manchester Black think that he killed all of his allies when he really didn't. 

So he was just kind of giving them a taste of what it would be like if he was evil. It's a great storyline, great movie. Definitely recommend it to anyone who has not yet seen it, though I just spoiled it all for you. Sorry, guys. See it in action. Don't just take Jonathan's word for it. Right, exactly. Great answer, Travis. Our next honorable mention goes to Cyrus Moore. Who said? 

Hey guys, Cyrus Moore here. I think the best Superman moments happen to be in the movie The Death of Superman. I think it's got some of the best fight scenes with Doomsday. And I just, I think it's the best Superman movie personally. It's probably one of the saddest, but it was also great to see Superman save Lois Lane in the Doomsday fight. 

So yeah, we reviewed The Death of Superman on this podcast when it came out. It was a fantastic animated film. It was like part one of a two part film that also included Reign of the Superman that was also really good. Now this was not the first time we had seen Superman fight Doomsday in animation. Of course, there was the Superman Doomsday film that came out like over a decade prior to this film coming out. When this movie came out, we had also just recently seen Batman vs Superman where Superman dies at the hands of Doomsday as well. Out of all the different adaptations of The Death of Superman comic book story arc, I think The Death of Superman animated movie was the best. 

It was a real tear-jerker, but with great action. Yeah, I would actually agree with that. So great answer Cyrus. Our final honorable mention goes to by DearBangora who said, Hello dynamic duo. My favorite scene has to be from the end of Superman and Lois. The fact that they have this recap very similar to Six Feet Under and they go through all the life of Superman and his family and his kids. Just really embodied all of what Superman is meant to be. 

Great Tyler Houghlin scene, great scene in general, great way to end the DC TV universe. Okay, so I will fully admit I was not a big fan of the Superman and Lois television series. Not for any reason that I didn't like the story or anything like that. I just was always too busy to watch it and by that point I was kind of done with the CW. That said, by Dear's description of the final scene of the show kind of really makes me want to watch it. Yeah, I kept hearing that it was really good among fans and on Reddit and stuff like that. So I heard the show as a whole was just amazing. And I think if you had watched it, maybe this would actually get the no prize win. Who knows? 

Yeah, that's actually very possible. My apologies to everyone who enjoyed the show who knows that this should probably get the win. But alas, it does not. We want to give a quick shout out to Alex Albro for calling in with his answer. But the winner of this week's no prize is Lorenzo Valdez. Who said? 

This is Lorenzo Valdez calling in once again. My favorite Superman moment from a film is the first flight scene for Man of Steel. My favorite Superman moment from a television series. Well, there are so many clonda moments that I want to choose from Smallville. But the one I'm going to go with because it feels most like what you're soliciting, which is specifically a Superman moment, because it's set at the top of the daily planet. It's the clonda kiss from the end of the season eight episode of Smallville power. Clona forever and always. 

Bye bye. So I finally realized what Lorenzo is saying when he mentions clona. And I guess that's like shipping Clark and Lana Lang, which no, I am anti-clona. 

He belongs with Lois Lane. So I'm not really counting the Smallville kiss scene. What I really love about his answer is the Superman first flight scene from Man of Steel, because that was intense. I still remember watching that in theaters and just being so moved by Hans Zimmer's sweeping score. It is hands down. 

I think my favorite Superman moment from the entirety of the Snyderverse. But who's your favorite version of Lana Lang, though, Jonathan? Oh, like favorite actress. Um, I would say the one that I think is most close to the comics was actually the Annette O'Toole version of the character from Superman 3. She would later actually be cast as Martha Kent in the Smallville television series. So it's not the Kristen Crook version from Smallville? No, she was fine. 

I just think Annette O'Toole was more comics accurate. I'm pretty sure Lorenzo Valdez is going to want to fight you now. Come at me, bro. I thought I want to make Clois a word, but Clois forever and always. 

I think I've always been more of a, uh, clunder woman type guy. But congrats to Lorenzo Valdez for winning this week's snow prize. If you the listener want a shot at winning your own no prize, stay tuned to later on this episode when we'll be asking another question of the week. And now that that's done, on to the news. Alright, in a fairly surprising bit of news from this past week, we learned that John Bernthal, who plays the character of Frank Castle the Punisher, will be joining the cast of Spider-Man Brand New Day in a move that makes me go, what is going on? I had no idea what this film was going to be, but I think the addition of John Bernthal to the cast gives us a clearer picture. So previously you and I conjectured that the film could be adapting the Spider-Verse storyline because we thought maybe Sadie Sink was going to play in Alternate Universe Gwen Stacy. There are a ton of rumors going around the internet right now, including rumors that the story is going to involve symbiotes and the Hulk. None of those rumors were substantiated, but we did get confirmation from the Hollywood Reporter that, yeah, the Punisher is going to be joining the story, which really makes me rethink all my previous notions in that they appear to be taking a more grounded approach to this upcoming Spider-Man film. Yeah, you would think that someone from the Netflix shows, which were all pretty street level and grounded, would make this Spider-Man film somewhat like that, right? 

Right. And it makes me think that Sadie Sink is more likely going to be playing Felicia Hardy, the black cat, because she's a more grounded street level character, I think. And that the villain is maybe going to be the kingpin, and maybe we'll see Daredevil in addition to the Punisher. Or maybe the rumors are true and the bad guy is going to be Mr. 

Negative, who is another New York City crime boss who has the power of the life force and the dark force, which are abilities shared by the heroic duo of Cloak and Dagger. So maybe those guys are joining the story as well. And this really is shaping up to be a more direct adaptation of the brand new day story arc. Yeah, there's currently rumors going around that Nicole Kidman is going to play negative woman, essentially. Oh, I don't know about that. 

I wouldn't like that. I was kind of setting my hopes on Steven Yun as Mr. Negative himself, Martin Lee, who's a pretty cool character. He's kind of like Too Faced in the sense that he's a crime boss who jumps between his light side and his dark side, although in this case it's very much literally his light side and his dark side. When he's in his dark force form, he appears as a photo negative kind of. 

And when he corrupts other people or imbues objects with his dark force, it appears as like a photo negative. It can make for some pretty compelling visual effects, I think, but I think the Punisher would make sense as an ally going up against the Mr. Negative crime boss. I'm seeing a visual motif with all of these characters. You have Punisher, Black Cat, maybe Cloak and Dagger, maybe Mr. 

Negative. It's all black and white. And maybe even Black Suit Spider-Man? I could see the movie posters now. They'd have to introduce the symbiotes though if we're going with Black Suit Spider-Man, but who knows? Maybe Venom is in the movie too. At this point, I feel like anything's possible, but I gotta assume that the film is taking a much more bare bones down to Earth approach to its story. 

Maybe, maybe, maybe not, especially if there's symbiotes involved. That being said, you know, Berndthal's portrayal of Frank Castle the Punisher is pretty damn rated R, both in his show and in the Daredevil series. I'm wondering how they're going to get away with that in a PG-13 Spider-Man movie. Like, what the hell is Peter Parker going to do when he straight up sees the Punisher rip a dude's throat out? Eh, it's probably going to happen off camera. And then you see Spider-Man puke in his mask or something like that. Boom, there you go. 

Comedy gold. I just remembered that the Punisher first appeared in a Spider-Man comic. That's correct. He was a conflicted Spider-Man bad guy who was trying to kill him due to his misperception of Spider-Man that he was a murderer at the time. It's really interesting news that it'll be interesting to see who else gets added to this Spider-Man forecast, especially if they're coming from the Marvel Netflix universe, which is, you know, now part of the MCU. But there were a lot of characters there, and that brings us to our question of the week. Besides the Punisher and obviously Daredevil, which of the former Marvel Netflix characters would you want to see in the next Spider-Man film and why? 

Now, we're excluding Daredevil here because I think everyone will pick him, but if Marvel were to include either Jessica Jones or Iron Fist, Luke Cage, Electra, etc., we want to know who you guys would most want to be in this film. Recording answer at DynamicsDuel.com by clicking on the red microphone button in the bottom right hand corner of the screen, which will prompt you to leave us a voicemail. Your message could be up to 30 seconds long, and don't forget to leave your name in case you include you on the podcast. We'll pick our favorite answer and award that person a Dynamic Duel No Prize that we'll post to Instagram. 

Be sure to answer before June 28th. Moving on to DC News, we learned last week that DC Studios has cast its lead actor in the upcoming Clayface live action film, and it looks like the actor Tom Reese-Harris will be playing the titular Batman villain. Now, I have no idea who this guy is. I looked at his IMDb. 

I have not seen a single one of his films. To me, he looks like the white Rami Malek, but I'm okay with that because they both kind of have these haunting looks with the high cheekbones and sunken eyes. I'm sure the guy is a fantastic actor, considering he's British and they tend to play more technical performances, which I think is perfect for something like a Clayface film where he's an actor and needs to be able to play different personas, I guess you could say. I don't know much about the actor either. 

I like the way that John Staroski put a best on our Discord server regarding the actor's appearance in that he looks like if David Bowie fucked a scars guard, and I thought that was pretty apt. Now, the film is going to be directed by James Watkins, who also directed the horror film Speak No Evil, and the original screenplay draft was written by Mike Flanagan, although apparently the Oscar-nominated writer Hussien Amini has done rewrites. It's produced by Matt Reeves, who also produced the Batman Caped Crusader animated series, which did a fantastic rendition of Clayface, and I'm really hoping that this film takes some of the horror cues from that television series. Yeah, I think we mentioned before on this podcast that 2024 had like four or five different renditions of Clayface on different television shows and stuff, including Suicide Squad, Isakai, Batman Caped Crusader, Creature Commandos, and Harley Quinn. Yes, I just want an amalgam of all those versions rolled into one. 

Yeah, maybe not the Harley Quinn version, but yeah, I love the rest of them. I don't believe there's a release date for this yet, but it will start filming fairly soon in the UK. In other DC news, we got to our official trailer for Sandman Season 2, which is being released in two parts this year. If you listen to our review of Sandman Season 1, you'll know that I'm a huge Sandman fan, and I loved that first season. 

Ever since then, I've been stoked for the continuation of that series on Netflix. Season 2 will be the final season, but it does look like it's going to wrap up Sandman's story nicely. We're going to be moving through a lot of story here, everything from James Return to Hell, to him finding his son Orpheus, to his involvement with the Fairy Folk, to ultimately the vengeance of Lita Hall and the Furies. 

It's going to be an epic season, no doubt. Again, one of the coolest aspects, I think, of this season in particular, is that we get to see all seven members of the Endless, including Destruction, who we missed out on in the teaser trailer for this season. Of course, we get Gwendolyn Christie returning to her role as Lucifer. We get to see the demon Azazel, who's like this shadowy, morphing creature full of eyes and teeth. We get to see Nada, who is James' true love in the series. And we get to see Jack Gleason, the actor who played Prince Joffrey, play Puck in the Sandman show, which I think is perfect casting. 

That is, yeah. I was surprised to see King Joffrey. I was like, what the hell is he doing here? He just has such a weird, sinister face, but as the character of Puck from Midsummer Night's Dream, yeah, that's perfection. Now, the story of Sandman has always spanned centuries, and it looks like we're going to see that as well, which is one of the more epic aspects that I love about this story is that it's not just confined to one setting, one timeframe, one set of characters. 

It can really go anywhere, and it does. For any of those unfamiliar with the Sandman story, I definitely recommend watching season one prior to the release of season two on Netflix. The first part is coming out July 3rd, just a couple of weeks here, and volume two is coming out July 24th at the end of the month. I can't fucking wait! And I just kind of want to sleep until the show starts. I liked the trailer that much. Actually, regarding the newcomer perspective, that's one of the things I thought about while watching this trailer was, if someone hasn't watched season one or is completely unfamiliar with the Sandman story or universe, I got to wonder what they think about this trailer, because it really goes all over the place. 

You said, you know, the story spans centuries, but it's not a straightforward fantasy series in the way that most people think of fantasy series. And I got to think that as a newcomer, if this trailer was the first thing I saw, I would be so compelled to watch it, because it looks so damn good. So damn good, so damn expensive, still, which I love to see. Yeah, the visual effects are on point. 

The cinematography looks amazing. Yeah, again, wake me up when it's July 3rd. But that does it for all of the news for this episode, so now let's go ahead and move on to the main event, where we pit the Green Lantern Guy Gardner against the Thor villain, Gore the God Butcher. Okay, the Green Lantern Guy Gardner versus Gore the God Butcher. Now, I will be totally honest and say that Guy Gardner is not my favorite Green Lantern. In fact, he's probably one of my least favorite Green Lanterns. But as I mentioned earlier, he does have a lot of fans out there. I feel like a lot of people just have like a love-hate relationship with him, because he's kind of a douchebag. But an endearing one in that he frequently gets his ass kicked by Batman, like punched in the face. 

Those one time. And kind of put in his place, you know? He's kind of there to be a punching bag for, I think, other heroes in a way. He doesn't really take any guff from anyone except when he does. 

And that's satisfying, I guess. I guess also he does have a lot of heart in that while he is kind of a dickbag, he is well-meaning and legitimately heroic. Yes, as you will hear later on in my backstory for Guy Gardner, he's definitely very stubborn, doesn't know when to give up, and because of that, yes, it does make him very heroic. 

And he rises to the occasion. I think Gore the God Butcher would also see himself as heroic in his campaign against basically all deities. We mentioned briefly Gore's inclusion in the Thor 11 Thunder film. There's so much that that movie got wrong from his appearance to his powers. What about his origin? 

His origin is incorrect. It's a shame that Marvel itself screwed it up because who knows when we'll get to see any more correct adaptation of Gore on the screen. One of the many reasons that I'm still pissed off to this day because of that film, and hopefully I could do the character more justice in this dual speculation. But to explain the methodology behind our duels, let's go to our sentient dual simulator Alfred Jarvis-9000. AJ9K tell our listeners how you go about determining a winner in our dual matchups. 

Yes, of course, sir. The way I determine a winner between the contestants is by running 1000 Monte Carlo simulations using the characters statistics. A Monte Carlo simulation is a probabilistic model used to determine outcomes through random sampling. In this case, I randomize the statistics along a normal distribution as a way to simulate the many variables that can occur during battle. 

The stat parameters are based on the official Marvel power grid from which the DC characters statistics are extrapolated. Additional stat categories are included such as range, damage potential, versatility and perception in order to create a more detailed and accurate simulation. The results of the 1000 simulations provide a percentage of wins for each character. The contestant with the higher percentage is declared the victor as they have a higher probability to win any given battle. In an equitable pairing, neither character should win 100% of the matches. The comic book stories have shown that there's even a way for Batman to defeat Superman, so the confidence rate of my method falls in line with the precedents that have been established in the source material. My mathematical simulations are without subjectivity or bias. Feats are not the sole consideration, nor are fan votes tabulated for determination of the winner. 

Thanks, AJ9K. Before we run the simulations, though, we'd like to break down each character's histories and abilities before improvising a scenario on how we imagine one of the 1000 simulations would play out beat for beat. And I believe it's my turn to go first with the Marvel characters backstory, so let me tell you all about Gore the God Butcher. Gore was born with a crippled leg on an unnamed desert world whose twin sons scorched the ground and whose knights were stalked by leathery predators. His tribe taught that droughts, quakes, and famine were divine tests and that prayer and sacrifice would bring relief, yet no deliverance came. His father died of sun fever, his mother was taken by beasts, and every one of his children was claimed by starvation or tremors. A violent quake crushed his pregnant mate, Ara, leaving only their son, Agar. When famine finally seized the boy during a desperate march toward a rumored fertile land, Gore buried the child, a forbidden act according to his tribe, and renounced the gods. 

For blasphemy, his people stoned him and left him to die in the wasteland. Alone and dehydrated, Gore saw two armored figures streak across the sky and crash nearby. One shone gold, the other was a living shadow wielding a black shifting sword. The shadow was Null, an ancient evil you could learn more about in his duel against White Lantern. 

Null's weapon, all black, the Necro Sword, was the first symbiote that the deity had created, a thinking mass of liquid darkness that bonds with hosts and feeds on rage. The gold god begged Gore for help, but in realizing gods were real and had ignored his family, Gore's sorrow became fury. The Necro Sword slipped from Null, wrapped around Gore's arm, and hardened into a spear. With it, Gore slew the gold god, felt the symbiote's darkness join with him, and swore to butcher every deity in existence. While Null could have pursued his weapon, he instead allowed Gore to wield the all black, recognizing the mortal's vengeful heart as a mirror of his own hatred for the light. All black granted Gore flight, super strength, and rapid healing. 

He could mold the symbiote into armor or weapons at will. He also shaped black berserkers, large shadow creatures that obeyed him. For thousands of years, Gore traveled from world to world, murdering gods of war, harvest, song, and even flowers. 

Convinced the universe would be kinder without beings who demanded worship while allowing suffering. During the Viking Age, Gore reached Earth. Thor Odinson, then a brash young god of thunder, found a dead North American deity on an Icelandic beach and tracked the killer to Russia, where the sl- Gorr ambushed Thor, chained him inside a cave, and tortured him for 17 days, demanding that Thor reveal the path to Asgard. A band of vikings stormed the cave, distracting Gorr long enough for Thor to sever his arm with his own axe, yarn-borne, and strike Gorr with lightning. Gorr survived and fled, determined never to be weak again. 

You can learn more about Thor in his duel against Wonder Woman. Seeking greater power, Gorr attacked Kronix, a palace guarded by the Time Gods. After killing its defenders, he entered their pool of raw time to travel through history. At the dawn of creation, he slew one of the first Elder Gods and ripped out its glowing heart. Far in a future timeline, he captured gods from every pantheon he could reach. Only an elderly King Thor, last ruler of Asgard, remained free, caged yet unbroken. 

Gorr forced his prisoners to mine star cores in order to build the God Bomb, a device that would wipe out every god in every era through time. Back in the present, Thor noticed prayers going unanswered and followed the trail to Gorr's fortress, where he was caught and chained beside his older self. Black berserkers then seized the Viking Age Thor so the butcher could parade three versions of the same deity before his ultimate victory. The Thors escaped and hurled a fragment of a star at the God Bomb, but Gorr survived. To supercharge all black, he ordered his berserkers to slaughter his enslaved gods, feeding their energy to the sword and making himself unstoppable. 

Gorr used all black to create copies of his former wife and kid, Ara and Agar, for company. When the Ara construct called him, my god, he vaporized her in rage. The Agar construct horrified, freed Thor the Avenger, and begged him to stop his father. Gorr hurled the young Thor into space, activated the God Bomb, and waited for Divinity to die. 

As the Bomb detonated, the surviving gods of every timeline prayed in unison. Their faith flooded Thor the Avenger, and wielding both his own hammer Mjolnir and King Thor's future Mjolnir, he battled the butcher across a dying moon. The youngest Thor struck the final blow, beheading Gorr and ending a 3000 year crusade. Though dead, the all black sword, carrying a copy of Gorr's mind, endured. Years later, the spy Nick Fury whispered a secret in Thor's ear learned from their murdered watcher Uatu, telling Thor, Gorr was right. 

You can learn more about the watcher in his duel against the Monitor. Doubt washed over Thor so much so that he became unworthy to lift Mjolnir. During a war between the Norse realms, the Dark Elf Malachith bonded with the blade and called himself the Butcher of Thors until Thor defeated him. 

You can learn more about Malachith in his duel against Eclipso. Far in the future, millions of years later, King Loki merged with all black and rebuilt Gorr's body from living shadow, setting him against an immortal all father Thor. You can learn more about Loki in his duel against Ares. Gorr crucified Loki and Thor on spires of darkness and tried to spread the sword's darkness across every star. Thor's granddaughters, Atle, Elisive, and Frig, freed their grandfather and rallied gods saved long ago by Thor. Atle severed Gorr's head, but it was only a shell. 

All black's darkness had woven itself into the very fabric of space. Loki stalled Gorr by reciting every heroic deed Thor had ever performed. The endless tale bought time for Thor to release the god Tempest, a cosmic storm trapped inside Mjolnir. The Tempest shredded all black. Stripped of power, amnesiac and raving, Gorr was left mortal. 

The Sky Lords of Indigar, the same planet whose rescued gods had once prayed for Thor, took Goren to live as a simple farmer. Yet the Necro Swords residue had replaced Gorr's heart. Memories crept back in and with them his hatred, restoring him in the present day. Fixating on Jean Grey, newly reborn as the Phoenix, Gorr ambushed and killed her on the barren planet Dogar. The Phoenix resurrected her instantly, overwhelmed Gorr and ignited and collapsed his dark heart, transforming it into a newborn star so that at last, Gorr would give life instead of taking it. 

You can learn more about the Phoenix in her duel against Raven. And that's Gorr the God Butcher's history. Powers-wise, Gorr is a mortal alien whose heart was replaced with the darkness of all black, the Necro Sword, a primordial weapon composed of living abyss, forged by the primordial entity Null using celestial energy. Though the Necro Sword was returned to Null's hands, Gorr can still use the portion of living abyss that is now part of him. He can shape this darkness to his will to form constructs such as weapons like spears or a sword, which is its preferred form. Gorr often uses it to form a cloak that can create armor or wings or even semi-sentient wolf lizard insectoid hybrid-like creatures called black berserkers. The living abyss grant Gorr strength enough to lift over 100 tons in vulnerability, increased speed, regenerative healing, and immortality. Having lived for millennia, waging combat against deities, he has become an adept combatant. And that's Gorr. 

Gotcha. So you know, like if it takes three different thorns to defeat Gorr the God Butcher, Guy Gardner has his fucking work cut out for him, doesn't he? I mean, not really. 

One Green Lantern can easily take on three thorns. What? Yeah, you heard me. I could have less respect for you than I do right now. Just want to let you know. I am okay with that. 

I'll get it back when I win the duel, you know? Let me tell you about Green Lantern Guy Gardner. Now Guy Gardner was born in Baltimore, Maryland to a turbulent household dominated by his abusive alcoholic father. 

Frequently compared unfavorably to his older brother, Mace, Guy developed a tough and combative personality to shield himself from constant ridicule and physical abuse. Despite the toxic home environment, he showed potential both intellectually and athletically earning a scholarship to the University of Michigan. There he studied education and psychology and played football until a career ending knee injury forced him to refocus on academics. 

He eventually became a social worker and later a teacher working with troubled youth, driven by a desire to help those in need escape the kind of upbringing he endured. Unbeknownst to him, Guy possessed the qualities necessary to become a Green Lantern, willpower, courage, and a strong sense of justice. When the Green Lantern of sector 2814, Abin Sewer, crashed on earth and lay dying, his ring identified two worthy successors, Hal Jordan and Guy Gardner. 

Jordan, being closer, was chosen. Gardner became the backup Green Lantern, though he only learned of this years later when the Guardians of the Universe, the creators of the Green Lanterns, informed him directly in an admission that wounded his pride and fueled his lifelong rivalry with Hal Jordan. You can learn more about how NRI Green Lantern versus Nova dual episode. After learning of his alternate selection, Guy trained to serve as Hal's substitute in the event of his incapacitation. He eventually received his own Green Lantern ring and joined the Corps. 

Though his attitude and temperament often clashed with the more disciplined members, his effectiveness in battle earned him a reluctant respect. Initially assigned as Hal's backup, Guy took on more responsibility following Hal's frequent off-world duties. His first major outing came when Hal was captured by Sinestro and taken to the Anti-Matter Universe of Corde. The Guardians activated Guy's ring and directed him to rescue Hal, but he was intercepted and captured by Sinestro's forces. Subjected to mental torture, Guy was presumed dead when the Guardians lost contact with him. Eventually rescued and returned to earth, Guy suffered severe psychological trauma and was placed in a comatose state. 

He remained that way for several years until the crisis on Infinite Earth's event when the Guardians reactivated him as one of Earth's Green Lanterns. Though he awoke, the mental damage had altered his personality. He emerged more arrogant, aggressive, and unpredictable. 

The change was partially due to brain damage, which affected his emotional regulation and heightened his volatility, making him a wild card among the Corps. When the Guardians later decided to leave the Universe and choose successors, Guy was given a ring and declared the official Green Lantern of Earth. However, his bombastic demeanor and combative style often put him at odds with his peers, especially Hal Jordan, John Stewart, and Batman. He joined the newly reformed Justice League International, a more politically driven version of the League, where his brash personality acted as a constant source of tension. Despite this, he became a core member of the team and formed a unique rapport with heroes like Booster Gold and Blue Beetle. You can learn more about the Justice League in our team duel, Justice League vs. Avengers. His time with the League included several humiliations, most famously being knocked out by a single punch from Batman, but also triumphs, including commissions to apocalypse, battles against despair and defending Earth from alien invasions. 

His overconfidence and crude sense of humor masked a deep need for validation and a fierce loyalty to his team. After Hal's transformation into parallax, Guy lost his ring during the destruction of the central power battery. Refusing to stand idle, he saw alternative means to remain a hero. He embarked on a quest to acquire Sinestro's yellow power ring, and when he was successful, he used it to continue fighting crime, though the ring proved unstable and more difficult to control. Seeking greater power, Guy ventured into the alien realm of Kord and later tapped into a mysterious inner energy linked to his DNA. This transformation turned him into Warrior, a being capable of morphing his body into weapons and armor. The source of his power was revealed to be his descent from an alien race called the Vuldarians. 

Biologically engineered shapeshifting warriors bred for combat. Embracing his new identity, Guy became the proprietor of a bar for heroes called Warriors. Eventually his Vuldarian powers faded and Guy returned to using the green lantern ring when the core was restored. He served as a senior lantern alongside Kyle Rainer, John Stewart and Hel Jordan, operating out of Oa and protecting sector 2814. He also worked closely with the Honor Guard, the elite leadership force of the core, and participated in campaigns during the Rand Thanagar war and the Sinestro core war, where he fought valiantly against yellow lanterns and other cosmic threats. In the post-flashpoint timeline, Guy Gardner remained a green lantern and continued to be depicted as one prone to acting before thinking, but with unwavering courage and a strong moral compass. He served with distinction in the green lantern core and took part in major battles, including defending Oa from the invading red lantern core. During this campaign, he was briefly possessed by a red lantern ring drawn to the deep well of rage within him. 

The experience left a lasting impression. When Atrocidus, the founder of the red lanterns, launched a new assault on earth, Guy volunteered to infiltrate the red lantern core as a double agent. You could learn more about red lanterns in our Atrocidus vs Juggernaut dual episode. The power of the red ring proved to be too seductive, and Guy's infiltration turned into a reluctant allegiance. Eventually, he embraced the identity of a red lantern fully and became their field leader, bearing their crimson sigil and maintaining order among the volatile ranks. Under Guy's leadership, the red lanterns transformed from a brutal militia into a more structured force focused on dispensing vengeance and protecting the oppressed. He developed a complex but mutual respect with Atrocidus' rival, Gules, and established a red lantern base of operations on earth, though he struggled with controlling his rage-fueled powers. After several adventures including cosmic conflicts and battles against shadowy manipulators like the Shadow Thief and the Shadow Market, Guy relinquished his red ring and returned to the green lantern core. He served on Mojo, the sentient planet that for a time acted as the core's HQ, helping train new recruits and operating as a senior lantern within the honor guard. When the green lantern core was merged with the Sinestro core during a fragile alliance brokered by Hal Jordan and Saurinik Natu, a yellow lantern, Guy was among the few green lanterns who attempted to make peace with the yellow lanterns. 

His unlikely friendship with the reformed Arquillo, a hulking brute and enforcer from the Sinestro core, who's often compared to Kilowag, became a standout moment during this period as the two warriors bonded over their mutual love of brawling and begrudging respect for one another's strength. That's Guy Gardner's backstory. Powers-wise, Guy Gardner wields a green lantern power ring fueled by willpower, granting him the ability to generate solid, light constructs, fly, generate force fields, and survive in space. His constructs often reflect his brash personality, manifesting as blunt force weapons like fists, bats, and hammers. For a time, his Vulderian DNA allowed him to shape shift parts of his body into weapons and armor, giving him enhanced strength and durability. 

Even without powers, Guy is a trained hand-to-hand fighter. Wait, so does he have his Vulderian powers or does he not? Technically, he still has his Vulderian DNA, though he hasn't used it since like the early 2000s. What you said he has the DNA but that his powers like disappeared over time. It was during the green lantern rebirth storyline where like he went through like this tremendous amount of pain where it seemed like his DNA was rejecting his body or something like that, but that was all quelled once a green lantern ring flew onto his finger and he emerged once again as a green lantern. So it didn't leave his body, it's still there. 

Again, he just hasn't made use of it. And will he have a red ring in this match or just the green? I'm going with his traditional green ring, although I loved the fact that he was a red lantern for a time. I thought he made a fantastic red lantern. I thought a red lantern ring couldn't be removed from a red lantern without killing them. 

There have been a few instances where they've been able to circumvent that, particularly when there's a, I think it's a blue lantern is present. Interesting. Okay. Okay. I don't know why I'm asking so many questions because I don't care because this dude's going down. 

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And Sendro World, where anime champions clash every Thursday. Join us as we speculate on the matches and armed with the power of mathematical simulations, discover who will emerge victorious. Visit dynamicpodcast.com, where we settle the debate and settle the score. Now that we've got their histories and abilities out of the way, let's speculate on how one of the 1000 simulated matches will go. The winner is determined by simulations, not the speculation, but it's fun to imagine how the fight could play out. AJ9K, what are the rules of our speculation? Well, I should say there are no rules other than the characters have no prior knowledge of the other going into the fight. All they are aware of starting out is that the other character is a threat that needs to be eliminated. For the speculation, the contestants will begin approximately 50 meters apart in a nondescript environment that will have no bearing on the match itself, as no environmental statistics are considered in my simulations. 

The contestants must earn victory on their own merit. Alright, then let's get into it. Green Lantern and Gore the God Butcher meet on the battlefield. Who goes first? I'm actually gonna say Guy starts off, and he's gonna do so by undoing his belt buckle, pulling down his pants. Moaning, Gore, while giving him the middle finger. Gore is unamused. 

Oh, but Guy is, so. Well, this amusement is gonna turn into pure shock when all of a sudden he finds a dark tendril up his pooper. But that's exactly what Guy wanted to happen, because while Gore was distracted by Guy's ass, Guy's gonna generate a pit bull behind Gore that's gonna chomp down on his ankle, while Guy, meanwhile, is gonna block that black tendril with the green toilet that flushes that tendril and that's plumbing just redirects it right into the ground. Alright, I'm gonna say first of all, Gore was not distracted by Guy's ass. Sure, I will say that he does take a second to straight up murder the pit bull construct. 

Oh, shit. He's using his necrosaur to cleave it in half from its jaws. Then Gore creates his own creatures, a pair of black berserkers that chase down Guy like a couple of rabid wolves that just devour him alive. Okay, but I'm gonna say that these creatures are gonna be blocked by a row of giant sized football defensive linemen, and from behind them, Guy's gonna generate a football and hurl it straight towards Gore with perfect aim, and it's gonna explode upon contact because it was actually a bomb. And that's gonna send Gore flying backward while Guy does a touchdown dance. 

A football bomb? Sure. Sure. 

Yeah, sure. I'm not sure what kind of football explosion would actually even hurt Gore, but I know that he's already fucking had it with Guy's shenanigans. So Gore instantly recovers from this football bomb and blitzes Guy sword first with enough force to cut through a freaking sun. And he straight up flies through any sort of defensive constructs that Guy creates to protect himself, and Gore slices right through Guy himself like a dark bullet train. 

Oh no, Guy doesn't generate anything to block this attack. Instead, he's gonna hold up a green cape that hides his body, and as Gore slices through it, Guy dodges to the side like a matador, shouting, Toro! And Gore's gonna fly right past him. But Guy, he's immediately gonna hurl a lasso after him, catching Gore by the ankles before proceeding to quickly hog tie him, all while wearing a cowboy hat and bandana by the way. 

Guy is annoying. But do you think that Gore is just limited to his arms and legs? Even if Guy manages to restrain Gore's limbs, Gore is just gonna create a dozen more of them out of living abyss. And all these extra limbs, they're like scorpion tails, and they each simultaneously reach out and impale Guy from all directions on their stingers. Actually, two of them form blades that free Gore from his bindings, but the rest of them impale Guy. They like stab through him with long stingers? 

Yeah. Okay, so Guy probably falls to his knees, but before he can get stabbed again, he's gonna generate a dozen chainsaws that are gonna sever the scorpion tails. And just as Gore frees himself from the lasso while Guy is still on his knees, a giant green fist with brass knuckles is gonna plow into Gore. Wait, wait, Guy should be dead from getting impaled a dozen times. Well, actually Guy has like weird organs due to his Vulderian DNA, like he has two hearts, and he could also heal rapidly because of his shapeshifting nature. 

So yeah, he's hurt, but he'll be fine. That's so weird. But you know what, it doesn't matter because even if Gore gets punched by this fist construct, the stingers that Gore stabbed into Guy Gardener, they left this dark residue within Guy's body. So it doesn't matter what the hell Guy's organs look like on the inside, because it's all just infested with shadowy maggots that feast on his body in just like a matter of seconds. And it looks like Guy gets covered in darkness, but then he just dissolves into nothing. Well, again, you know, Guy's Vulderian shapeshifting body will just shift those maggots into a Gatling gun that he transforms his other arm into that's not armed with a ring, and he's going to fire those maggots right back at Gore, which I don't know, probably isn't gonna hurt him. 

Yeah, Gore would just absorb them into the rest of his living darkness. But once the maggots are done, he's gonna transform his Gatling gun into a grenade launcher, and he's gonna launch a nuclear level implosive grenade that's just gonna leave Gore a dark stain on the ground. What the fuck is an implosive nuclear grenade? I guess the technical term would be a Vulderian Fragmite bomb? I don't know, it has like the destructive force of a nuke, but it sucks things up like a mini black hole. It's from the comics. 

Okay. Well, Gore blocks the bomb with his cloak, so that when it goes off, when it implodes, it just pulls in all of the living abyss, like all of that gets sucked into the implosion. But Gore himself is still left standing. And Guy, in all of his cockiness, you know, he didn't anticipate this. So as the living darkness dissipates from the bomb, Guy is not paying attention. He's assuming Gore was imploded to, and then all of a sudden he gets fucking rocked right in his nose by Gore, who is now mortal. 

And since getting punched in the nose real hard is apparently Guy's weakness, you know, he falls to the ground, just completely knocked out, and he loses the match. Fuck. You know, I can't even say that wouldn't happen. 

I guess we'll leave it there. Either Guy defeats Gore with some Vulderian Fragmite bombs, or Gore just knocks Guy out with a sucker punch to the face, apparently. Well, let's find out which of these scenarios happens by running the stats on these characters, running the simulations, and coming back with a winner. AG9K, hit it. 

Inputting data, running calculations, processing results, simulations complete. All right, this didn't turn out to be quite the repeat of the White Lantern vs. Null dual episode that I thought it was going to be. I think we managed to do a pretty good job of differentiating these two matches. 

Yeah, it wasn't hard, honestly, with Guy. He's kind of different from other Green Lanterns, not only in terms of his brashness and attitude, but also in terms of his physiology. You know, he's part Vulderian, and I didn't want to play that up into the stats too much. I still think his ring is his primary weapon. 

But he has contingencies, we'll say. And that is what gave him the edge in versatility over Gore the God Butcher. You know, as versatile as Gore is with his Necro sword. And he does some interesting things with it, like he used it to create the God Bomb and stuff like that. 

But largely he sticks with swords and tendrils and dark creatures and stuff compared to a Green Lantern ring, which Guy tends to get a little bit more creative with, again, in addition to his alien DNA. The two did share a lot of similarities when it came to the stats, though we both said they were equally fast, equally evasive. When it came to strength and damage level and range, they were also on par with each other. We did give the fighting skill edge to Gore the God Butcher just because he has millennia of fighting experience. And we also said that longevity meant he was smarter than Guy, who's kind of dumb. Yeah, he's definitely done some really dumb stuff in the comics. But we did give Guy the edge in perception because Green Lantern rings can scan things and give the bear added information. 

Yeah, there weren't too many perception feats for Gore the God Butcher. With all that said, Jonathan, who's taken home the win here? I got to give it to Guy. 

I think his versatility is going to give him the edge here. And it looks like our Instagram poll takers agree with me, just barely though, because 52% of our poll takers voted in favor of Guy. That's one of the closest polls I think we've put out there. 

Yeah, really close. So it seems like this is a pretty good match up in our followers' eyes. But let's find out who actually won. 

AJ9K, the results please. Hey, you are, sir. All right, the winner between Green Lantern, Guy Gardner, and Gore the God Butcher is... Gore the God Butcher. 

Damn it! Looks like Guy Gardner got sucka punched right the fuck out. As a matter of fact, Deadpool came out when this match was over and told Guy Gardner that he got knocked the fuck out. 

At a 1000 matches, Gore the God Butcher won 571, whereas Green Lantern only won 429. Really? Okay, I thought that was going to be a little bit closer. 

I thought this was essentially going to be a coin toss. And I am kind of said that it again, Guy is not my favorite Green Lantern, but I also just really hate Gore. Why? 

What's wrong with Gore? He deserves this. Did you see how they massacred my boy in Thor 11 Thunder? Yeah, that's why I don't like him. That whole movie, just everything about it is awful. Well, maybe Superman will be bad and you'll hate Guy even more too. Yeah, no, that's not going to happen. But that does it for this duel. AJ9K, help close this out. 

Max Destruction, Senjo World, and Console Combat. In our next episode, as a tie-in to the 4th of July holiday, we are doing a fireworks-related duel with Jubilee versus Static. Yeah, I've been dying to get a Jubilee duel in here at some point and the executive producers kind of think of a better time than around the 4th of July. And I agree. But that does it for this episode. You want to give a big thanks to our executive producers, John Staroski, Zachary Hepburn, Dustin Belcombe, Mickey Muthengian, Nathaniel Wagner, Levi Yatyn, Austin Wizelowski, AJ Dunkerly, Nick Ibonto, Scott Kamacho, Gil Kamacho, Adam Spees, Dean Maleski, Devin Davis, Joseph Kirsting, Josh Schleiner, Mike Williams, Oscar Gabas, and Paul Graves for helping make this podcast possible. And we'll talk to you guys next week. Up, up, and away, true believers. I thought a good tagline for this episode would be The Gardener vs The Butcher. But then I was like, nah, that's boring.