Gypsy vs Shadowkat

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Hi, welcome to the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly
show where we review superhero films and debate

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the superiority between Marvel and DC by
comparing their characters in stat-based battle

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simulations. I'm Johnny DC. And I'm his twin
brother, Marvelous Joe. And there are only six

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episodes of this podcast left. We're counting
down to our 10th anniversary and final episode and

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in this one we are doing a duel between the
characters of Gypsy and Shadowcat. One was a

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member of the Justice League during the Detroit
era and one is a mainstay of the X-Men. Yeah, it's

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probably a crime that we've waited this long to get
to a kitty pride duel. But here we are and I cannot

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wait for Shadowcat to beat the shit out of this DC
character that I've never even heard of. You've

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never heard of Gypsy before? I have never heard of
Gypsy and I don't care to either. Well, I hate to

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tell you this, but you're gonna hear about her in
this episode. Yeah, be grudgingly so though. I'm

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gonna laugh when not only she beats Shadowcat,
kitty pride, but also becomes like your new

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favorite DC character. That's asking for a lot.
We're gonna find out who's gonna win later on in

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this episode. Before that, we're gonna break down
the comic book movie news from the past week of

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which there is a doozy, probably one of the biggest
news items to come out in the 10 years of this

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podcast and that is Netflix is set to buy Warner
Brothers and an $87 billion deal. Shut up. Shut up.

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I don't want to hear it. As always, guys, we list our
segment times in our episode description, so feel

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free to check out the show notes if you want to skip
ahead to a particular topic. Guys, our

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artificially intelligent duel simulator, AJ9K
has a quick message for our listeners, so listen

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up. Hello. These are the final episodes of Dynamic
Jules Weekly podcast, leading up to our grand

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finale on January 20th. We hope you've enjoyed the
past 10 years of Marvel and DC Jules and reviews,

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and we'd love for you to stick with us as we count
down these last episodes. We're inviting you, the

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listener, to help us close out the show by visiting
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clicking the red microphone button in the bottom
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during the final episode. Tell us what first got
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listening, a favorite episode or moment or
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podcast has meant to you. Your messages will be
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Again, head to dynamicjules.com and leave your
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pip cheerio. Thanks AJ9K and thanks to everyone
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Guys, be sure to tune into the other shows and the
Dynamite Podcast Network this week, including

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the console combat podcast, where hosts John and
Dean simulate battles between popular video game

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characters. In yesterday's episode, they found
out who'd win between the Arbiter, Thelva Dom from

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Halo and Commander Shepard from Mass Effect. Over
on the Max Destruction podcast, hosts Scotty and

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Gilly pay your favorite action heroes from film
and television against each other. On Thursday,

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the Macho Twins are learning who would win in a
fight between major chip hazard from small

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soldiers and Buzz Lightyear from Toy Story. And on
the Central World podcast, host Zachary Hepburn

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speculates on fights between fan favorite anime
and manga characters. In his next episode, Zac is

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revealing who would win between Shigio Kageyama,
aka Mob from Mob Psycho 100 and Tatsumaki, the

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tornado of terror from One Punch Man. Visit
dynamicpodcasts.com or click the link in our show

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notes to listen to all of the shows in the Dynamite
podcast network. But with that out of the way,

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quick to the No Prize. A No Prize is an award that
Marvel used to give out to fans. Our version, the

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Dynamic Dual No Prize, is a digital award we post on
Instagram for the person that we feel gave the best

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answer to our question of the week. Last week, we
asked you guys, what review episode of Dynamic

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Dual did you get the most out of? And that was coming
off of the announcement that we had gotten through

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all the reviews that we were going to before the
show's finale, at which point we're changing from

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a weekly podcast. We got three answers. So let's go
ahead and run down our two honorable mentions as

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well as the No Prize winner. Our first honorable
mention goes to CJ Kraft, who said, Hey guys, it's

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CJ Kraft. And I think my favorite review you guys
have done has been Werewolf by Night. I remember

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watching it and thinking I can't wait to see what
the Dynamic Dual guys have to say about this. And

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you guys for the most part felt the same way I did
about it. Plus, it was just overall a good episode.

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So it's going to suck to see you guys go, but I'll be
appreciative for any episodes we do again. Yeah,

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Werewolf by Night was interesting to review
largely because it's one of the more unique pieces

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of media that Marvel Studios have put out. You
know, it was a special presentation around

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Halloween a couple years ago. And it's always, I
think, just more fun to review things that are

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unique and special. Yeah, honestly, I'm
surprised Marvel hasn't done more with not only

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those characters, but that format, the short film
format. I feel like they should be releasing a new

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special presentation at least twice a year, at
least once a year. I would settle for that. I think

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you're right, though. They seem easier to
produce. They're a great way to explore

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unexplored areas of the Marvel universe. And it's
a great way to get creative and interesting with

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the continuity. I can't wait to see Werewolf by
Night and Man Things show up again and Elsa

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Bloodstone and another piece of media. Hopefully
they like show up in a midnight sun's movie or

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something like that. But who knows when that'll
happen. Overall, I really loved that special

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presentation and I'm glad CJ Kraft that you
enjoyed what we said about it. And I'm glad that you

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felt the same way. Thanks CJ Kraft. Our next
honorable mention goes to Alex Albro, who said,

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OK, hear me out. The Batman and Robin review. For
one, this is when the audio no prize answers were

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first announced. So all of us calling in get
something out of this one. But I love this movie as a

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kid and had no idea it had any issues. I'd watch it
multiple times a week and probably burned out the

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VHS. Robin's costume was sick. The black and
silver costumes were sick. George Clooney is

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Batman for me. I guess my mid 20s, I can see your
points on what's bad, but nostalgia hits hard.

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This is the best Batman movie in the first DC movie
I've seen. All right, it looks like you got cut off

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there and I'm not going to lie. This was the last
review I thought anyone would say was their

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favorite. We just trashed the film. Basically, I
hadn't seen it in maybe decades prior, I think,

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before reviewing it. And well, it may have some
nostalgic appeal. There's just way too many cod

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pieces. Yeah, Jonathan has a threshold for how
many cod pieces he'll allow in a movie. I do. Yeah, I

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remember actually getting flack from a few
listeners that we even reviewed Batman and Robin

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because they're like, we all know this movie
sucks. Why are you wasting your time? And that was

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the first time I think I mentioned to listeners
that the reason that Dynamic Duel started, its

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primary purpose was to review all the Marvel and DC
films that had come out. And the whole dual

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speculation thing kind of came across as an
afterthought of that, because we would always

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argue about the battles. And then we were like, oh,
we could actually use math to kind of figure this

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out. But yeah, the goal was to review these films,
whether they were good or bad. We were going to talk

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about them. And I'm surprised that considering
when the movie came out and how old we were that we

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don't actually have nostalgic value for Batman
and Robin, it was kind of like we just recognized it

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as pretty damn bad, even as children. Well, it
wasn't the first Batman movie we saw. We grew up

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with the 89 Batman film on VHS. So comparing it to
not only that, but also Batman Returns and Batman

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Forever. It was easy to see that this was just so
different and just weird that. Yeah, it was it was

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easy to not appreciate it. I think for people our
age. Yeah, it was when the critic version of

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Jonathan first manifested at 11 years old.
Another cod piece, one star. Thanks for the

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answer, Alex. But the winner of this week's No
Prize is Kev, who I think might be Kevin Odleon, a

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longtime listener, but I'm not quite sure. I could
be wrong. But he said, hey, what's up, guys? This is

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Kev. The review that I enjoyed the most from you all
was the Infinity War review. That's actually how I

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found you guys. I was looking for a review on a movie
and I found you out. And that led me to listen to more

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of your backlog. And yeah. Yeah, I think Infinity
War and Endgame really expanded the fan base a lot.

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It was just such a great period of excitement to be a
Marvel Studios fan around that time that people

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were just craving that content. I think we saw
pretty good growth in our listenership when those

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two films came out because they were fucking
fantastic movies. We gave both of them five stars

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and it was a lot of fun to just basically just gush
all over the movie in our review of it. Ew, you liked

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the movies, too. I distinctly remember walking
out of the theater and like going up to Jonathan and

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being like, I think that's our first five star
review. And he was like, damn it, you're right. I

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don't think it was our first five star review, but I
do remember being like, yeah, this is like the

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Empire Strikes Back of superhero films. We have to
give it five stars. Was the Dark Knight our first

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five star review? Yeah, I think so. That sounds
about right. I'm not surprised that Infinity War

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or Endgame was an answer for this week's question
of the week. I am surprised that no one called in

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with the Joker review, though, because if I'm not
mistaken, that is our most listened to episode of

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all time. Surprisingly, I think it's a toss up
between our Joker review and our Avengers Endgame

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review, but that's only for Apple podcasts.
Honestly, I think your Joker review just confused

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a lot of people because everybody was like, oh,
this movie is amazing. And you came out like, oh,

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this movie made me uncomfortable. It did. It did.
How could it not? That was a fun one, though. That

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was a fun episode for sure. So congrats to Kev for
winning this week's snow prize. In fact, that was

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the very last snow prize that we'll be handing out
because for our last few episodes, we're really

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hoping that you guys call in and give us a farewell
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let us know how long you've been listening. You
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the show or anything else that you want to share
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unlike the question of the week answers, we're not
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whole minutes. And don't forget to leave your name
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leave us a voicemail. Again, your message could be
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voicemail on our final episode. But now that
that's done on to the news. OK, last week, Netflix

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announced its intention to acquire Warner
Brothers in a deal that was valued at

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approximately eighty seven billion dollars,
making it the largest studio acquisition of all

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time. Like Disney didn't pay that much for Fox. So
that's kind of cool in a way. Netflix, of course,

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bid out Comcast and Paramount, who had also
expressed interest in acquiring Warner

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Brothers, but they just couldn't match the number
that Netflix did. The deal, of course, is not

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finalized, and it's going to require at least a
year of not only regulatory review, but also the

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division of Warner Brothers Studios from
discoveries, televised content. But basically,

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what Netflix wants to do is absorb Warner Brothers
film and television library, their major

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franchises and production capabilities into its
streaming ecosystem. Early reporting is

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indicating that Netflix is primarily
interested, of course, in Warner Brothers IP

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assets and content pipeline, rather than its
physical operations, including DC Comics and its

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publishing divisions or ancillary business
units. I don't think there's any doubt as to how

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that would radically reshape Hollywood's and the
comic industry's landscape, because Netflix

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will be consolidating one of the oldest studios
under what is currently the world's dominant

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streaming platform, which, of course, will raise
significant questions about the future of

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theatrical releases, legacy media operations
and divisions like DC Comics and Warner Brothers

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Games. Now, I think it's been reported recently
that Netflix is, in fact, interested in including

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Warner Brothers Games as part of its
acquisitions. But there's been little to no word

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about DC Comics. And I'm not going to lie, it has me
really freaked out and pretty depressed. It's a

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fortunate timing that we're ending this podcast
in a matter of weeks, because it seems like this is

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the end of DC Comics in general. Like Marvel just
won, right, Jonathan? I mean, it kind of feels that

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way. I'm not going to lie, because Netflix only
wants the DC intellectual property. It's

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characters and its stories, not the comics
themselves, not the creators and not the legacy.

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Because Netflix is a industry disruptor, who's
openly signaled that they don't want the whole

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Warner Brothers machine, including the loss
making divisions that don't fit their business

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model and would be left on the transactional
floor. Like Paramount was the only company that

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was actually interested in acquiring all of
Warner Brothers assets. Can you explain what

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Netflix's business model is as you understand it
and why that would not include DC Comics? So

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Netflix is a content algorithm, not a creative
studio. And print comics wouldn't really survive

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in that business model. You know where Hollywood
has artistic gatekeeping? Netflix just dumps

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content to keep subscribers engaged. Things like
quality, tradition and legacy don't matter when

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the only metric is subscriber retention. So
monthly comics, a niche, expensive medium would

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have no place in that system. Right. There's no way
to put physical print comic books onto the Netflix

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digital platform. I guess there is in the form of
digital comic books, but it's not clear at this

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time as to whether or not Netflix would be
interested in actually putting digital comics on

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their streamer. They might. And that's the only
way I think DC Comics survives in the medium of

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comics, whether that's digital or print. I could
totally see Netflix wanting to put new kinds of

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digital content on their platform just to keep
people subscribed or maybe even acquire

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subscribers at a higher rate if they're offering
things like books or podcasts, maybe. But comic

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books are such a small industry like DC Comics is
only a tiny fraction of Warner Brothers revenue.

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It may even be a money loser if you look at the
purchasing transfer comics within the past 20, 30

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years. And Netflix is not going to subsidize a
dying medium. Warner Brothers kept comics alive

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to cultivate IP, but Netflix doesn't really need
that. They have cheaper R &D through algorithmic

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data. And now AI comics have shrinking
readership, shrinking orders, high costs. And

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I'm pretty sure Netflix's lawyers and
accountants when they're finalizing this deal

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are just going to elect that and be like,
absolutely not. That's my theory. In what

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scenarios do you see DC Comic Book surviving as a
print medium if this deal goes through? I think

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superheroes like Batman and Superman will thrive
in streaming and animation. But like paper

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comics, they're probably gone. Netflix, I
imagine, would have no motive to maintain

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physical publishing. And digital only AI
assisted comics are going to be far cheaper and

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easier to produce. So I think the DC stories will
continue, but printed DC Comics likely won't.

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Unless, of course, Netflix does what they
currently do with Miller World Comics, which they

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currently own, and that's license those
characters to currently Dark Horse Comics.

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Previously, it was Image. That's right. Netflix
licenses the Miller World Comic Books to Dark

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Horse, who then produces and then publishes those
comic books. Right. But it's not exactly like

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Miller World is thriving under Netflix. Like Mark
Miller still has to go to Kickstarter to get his

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comics funded. And the projects that actually
turned into shows for Netflix, like Jupiter's

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Legacy, like Super Crooks, they only lasted one
season. So that's terrifying. What do you think is

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the likelihood that Netflix will actually
license the DC characters to Marvel publishing?

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Oh, fuck off. Fuck you. Who knows? That may be what
they end up doing, which would freaking kill me.

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And I think all DC fans, who knows, maybe this means
that these crossover comics that we've been

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getting between both publishers would be a more
regular occurrence. But there's no denying at

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that point that Marvel will have, indeed, won the
comic book wars. And you have to admit that I will

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admit nothing until the steal goes through and we
see what happens. Because right now this is still a

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long way off and it may not even go through. There is
a lot of politicians, a lot of industry people who

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are disparaging this acquisition. So that's
good. I hope it doesn't go through. I was much more

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hoping that Comcast or Paramount would get Warner
Brothers because legacy means nothing to

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Netflix. They don't care about fans. They care
about subscribers. And I think even if you are a fan

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of DC Comics with high hopes for printed comics to
continue, that sentiment is not going to save DC

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Comics. We've seen beloved institutions
collapse like Wizard Magazine, newspapers.

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Marvel Comics almost died before being acquired
by Disney. And believing DC Comics will survive

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forever ignores business reality. Netflix is
ruthless and unsentimental and laser focused on

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what drives subscriptions. Print Comics are not a
part of that future. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm

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afraid I'm not. Print Comics notwithstanding, I
guess there still is potential for Netflix to

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produce some amazing television and film based
off of the DC intellectual property. Like we've

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seen them produce Sandman, which you've rated
five stars. Very true. Very true. It may just be

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that the primary medium for these characters is no
longer comics, but their stories are told through

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television series or films, which would be pretty
cool. I will always miss the comics if, in fact,

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they do go away. But what's interesting to me,
though, is that Netflix really doesn't have

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experience with a cinematic universe. You know,
they have seasons of television. Like I'm not

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familiar with any spinoff shows from Netflix. I
could be wrong. Do you think James Gunn will want to

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work for Netflix? He may get a few projects funded
through them. But ultimately, I know a lot of

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creators have come out against Netflix because
they don't get paid residuals, because

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ultimately that content ends up on a streaming
platform forever with little to no viewership

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data, or at least a data that's only proprietary to
Netflix. A lot of people don't get to see that. So I

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know a lot of guilds will probably be upset by that,
and they'll probably fight against this. If this

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deal does not go through, I'm really hoping that
either Paramount or Universal follow up with

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another bid. But that may not happen because the
rumors are currently that Paramount is

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interested in now acquiring Universal, so
they'll have no need for Warner Brothers. How did

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we get here, man? How did DC Comics get here? Like,
what has it been like to be a DC fan throughout the

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course of these past 10 years? Man, so when this
podcast first started, Time owned Warner

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Brothers, like Time Magazine, the publishing
division. So they actually cared about creating

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print published works like DC Comics. When AT &T
bought them in order to promote their internet

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service, they really didn't know what they were
getting into. And that showed with all of the

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mistakes that they made in handling the Hollywood
studio. They sort of offloaded it onto David

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Zaslaw, who promised that he could flip the
studio. And I was hoping it was going to be to

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Universal because he used to work for them. And now
that it's going to be Netflix, it just feels like so

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many things are going to change. And I hate change.
This sucks. Ultimately, I blame the tech industry

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because that's what I see Netflix ultimately as.
It's a tech giant in the same way that Amazon and

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Apple are. And they're also getting into the
Hollywood game. It's just a weird time for movies,

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for sure. And since Warner Brothers owns DC Comics
in the same way that Disney owns Marvel Comics,

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it's affecting that industry as well, which damn
it. Jonathan, what do you say to people that think

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you're being doom and gloom about this? Are they
right? Are you a little bit biased here? Or are you

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being a realist? I've always been biased for DC. I
mean, it's not like I want this to happen. It's just

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somewhat predictable, knowing Netflix. Now, it
could be surprised. Netflix's acquisition of

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Warner Brothers may not be the death knell of DC
Comics. I actually hope it isn't, but only time

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will tell. And I don't think Netflix has really
given us any reason to not be skeptical about what

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this acquisition means for the publisher. Well,
we'll see how your conjecture pans out in, you

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know, a couple of years time. We'll report back at
that time. No, we won't. This podcast will be over,

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but we'll see how it goes. I wish this happened
after the podcast was over. So you wouldn't have to

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talk about it at all. Yeah, this sucks. This sucks
big time. It literally keeps me up at night. Like we

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said earlier, there's no question of the week for
this news item. Thank goodness. So let's go ahead

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and move on to the main event. We'll find out who is
going to win between the Justice League, Detroit

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member Gypsy and the X-Men member Shadowcat. All
right, Gypsy versus Shadowcats. These are two

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young female characters that are a part of larger
teams. Gypsy being a part of the Justice League,

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Detroit era and Shadowcat Kitty Pryde being a part
of the X-Men. The characters have similar power

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sets in that they're all about evasion, I guess you
could say. Yeah, Shadowcat can render herself

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intangible in order to phase through solid
matter, making her extremely difficult to hit.

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And Gypsy creates mental illusions or something
like that. Well, specifically to turn herself

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invisible. She creates illusions that surround
her so that she can't be seen by human senses, by

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electronics, by telepaths, anybody. What kind of
offensive ability is that? Does she create these

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mental illusions in the same way that like
Mastermind does in the X-Men books? Well, I would

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say they're as large scale as Masterminds because
Masterminds could immerse someone completely in

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an illusion. Whereas Gypsy really just covers
herself, though later on in the comics she was able

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to envelop like a vehicle that she was in as well or
people surrounding her. So how is being really

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good at hide and seek a superpower? I feel like I
could not fight crime with that ability. Well,

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you're going to learn later on what I break down the
character just exactly how she uses this ability

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offensively. Yeah, I'm curious. I think a lot more
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She was in the first three X-Men films as well as
X-Men Days of Future Past. She was played by Elliot

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Page for X-Men 3 and also in Days of Future Past. And
Gypsy has been in nothing. I don't even think she's

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been in any of the cartoons. No, she's been in the
cartoons and she was also a love interest of sorts

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for Cisco Ramon vibe in the Flash television
series. You don't know shit. Apparently I don't.

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Well, at least you admit it. Now, to explain the
methodology behind our duels, let's go to our

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sentient dual simulator, Alfred Jarvis 9000.
AJ9K tell our listeners how you go about

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determining a winner in our dual matchups. Yes, of
course, sir. The way I determine a winner between

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the contestants is by running one thousand Monte
Carlo simulations using the characters

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statistics. A Monte Carlo simulation is a
probabilistic model used to determine outcomes

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through random sampling. In this case, I
randomize the statistics along a normal

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distribution as a way to simulate the many
variables that can occur during battle. The stat

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parameters are based on the official Marvel power
grid from which the DC characters statistics are

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extrapolated. Additional stat categories are
included such as range, damage potential,

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versatility and perception in order to create a
more detailed and accurate simulation. The

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results of the one thousand simulations provide a
percentage of wins for each character. The

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contestant with the higher percentage is
declared the victor as they have a higher

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probability to win any given battle. In an
equitable pairing, neither character should win

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100 percent of the matches. The comic book stories
have shown that there's even a way for Batman to

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defeat Superman. So the confidence rate of my
method falls in line with the precedents that have

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been established in the source material. My
mathematical simulations are without

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subjectivity or bias. Feats are not the sole
consideration, nor a fan vote is tabulated for

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determination of the winner. Thanks, AJ9K.
Before we run the simulations, though, we like to

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break down each character's histories and
abilities before improvising a scenario on how we

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imagine one of the one thousand simulations would
play out beat for beat. And it's my turn to go first

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with the DC characters backstory. So let me tell
you all about Gypsy. Cynthia Cindy Reynolds was

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born to Edward and June Reynolds in a quiet
Midwestern suburb. For several years, her family

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life was stable, though after her younger brother
was born, arguments arose between her parents

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escalating into a pattern of shouting,
resentment, neglect, and eventually physical

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abuse against Cindy. During this period of
stress, her metahuman abilities surfaced,

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telepathically rooted illusions that bent
perception, allowing her to blend perfectly into

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her surroundings, shift her appearance or
obscure her presence entirely. By age 14, Cindy

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decided to run away, buying a one-way ticket to
Detroit. Alone in the inner city, Cindy used her

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powers for basic survival, slipping unseen
through alleyways and storefronts, hiding from

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threats and stealing food when necessary. Word
spread of a barefoot Bohemian girl who could

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vanish into the walls, and Cindy gradually
adopted the street identity of Gypsy. Cameron

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Street became her informal territory, where she
learned to refine her abilities through constant

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exposure to danger and remained hidden from both
criminals and authorities. When the Justice

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League relocated to Detroit following the
dissolution of the prior team, Gypsy infiltrated

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their new headquarters repeatedly, testing its
defenses and slipping past visual detection,

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electronic systems, and even Martian
Manhunter's telepathy. Her existence became

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undeniable only when she intervened during the
league's confrontation with the Obermaster and

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his cadre. With her help, Obermaster was
defeated, prompting the league to offer her

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official membership. You can learn more about the
Justice League in our Justice League vs. Avengers

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Team Duel episode. Gypsy trained alongside
Steel, Vibe, Vixen, Zatanna, and Martian

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Manhunter as part of the Detroit League's roster.
She refined her agility, acrobatics, and combat

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skills, and grew more confident in using her
illusion casting offensively. During a

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wilderness retreat intended to build teamwork,
the royal flesh gang ambushed the league. While

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hiding, Gypsy was able to use her telepathy to
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Before disappearing, emotionally devastated,
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Eventually, the telepathed Disparo, who was
hunting Justice League members, located Gypsy

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and murdered her parents. He would have killed her
as well, if not for the intervention of Martian

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Manhunter, who arrived in time to drive Disparo
off. You can learn more about Disparo and Martian

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Manhunter in their duels against the high
evolutionary and vision, respectively. With her

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family gone, Gypsy accepted Boostergold's
recruitment into the conglomerate, a corporate

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sponsored hero team. Though she contributed
significantly to their missions, the emotional

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aftermath of her parents' deaths eventually
pushed her to leave the group. Gypsy later joined

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the Justice League Task Force, where she
developed a close partnership with Martian

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Manhunter. They worked together on missions
requiring infiltration, psychological

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disruption, or precision stealth. Early in her
Task Force career, Gypsy was nearly forced into

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combat with Lady Shiva during a tense operation,
but avoided the confrontation. On another

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mission, she suffered catastrophic injuries and
was believed dead, though Martian Manhunter

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invoked Khran Mir. The Martian got a fire and a
transformation, successfully restoring Gypsy

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to life. As the Task Force restructured, Gypsy
remained a central member, undertaking covert

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operations across multiple countries, until the
team eventually disbanded. Gypsy continued

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working intermittently with Martian Manhunter
and assisted the Justice League during major

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supernatural or large-scale threats, even
participating in operations supporting Wonder

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Woman in battles against Cersei and her forces.
After being recruited by Barbara Gordon, Gypsy

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next joined the Birds of Prey, which you can learn
more about in their duel against A-Force. Oracle

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relied on her as an invisible operative capable of
infiltrating spaces unseen by cameras, guards,

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or enhanced senses. Gypsy's powers had grown to
allow her to extend illusions across wide areas,

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cloaking entire rooms, vehicles, or strike
teams. During this period, she partnered with

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Vixen to resolve a long-running case involving
Amos Fortune and helped rescue Stargirl when

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Fortune targeted Justice Society members. Gypsy
was later abducted by the Clock King and forced to

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fight in the Dark Side Club's Gladiator Arena,
where she was defeated early in the tournament, be

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freed once the arena was later dismantled. In
post-Flashpoint continuity, a new Gypsy

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emerged, named Cynthia Mordeth, the daughter of
Quell Mordeth, who ruled an extra-dimensional

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realm inhabited by nomadic travelers who moved
between dimensions and absorbed multiversal

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energy. As Quell Mordeth's heir, Cynthia
possessed innate illusion-casting powers,

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augmented by her ability to store and channel
dimensional energy. Rejecting her father's

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oppressive role, Cynthia attempted to flee her
native dimension, but became separated from her

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traveling family during a transit jump. She
emerged alone on Earth, where Argus agents

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intercepted her. Mistaking her arrival for a
precursor to invasion, they imprisoned her in a

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secure vault. She remained confined until
rupture. Another traveler from her dimension and

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the brother of Cisco Ramone arrived on Earth. His
incursion broke her containment, drawing

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Cynthia into conflict with her father's forces,
operating covertly across dimensions. You can

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learn more about Cisco in our Vibe vs Miss America
dual episode. Because this new Gypsy's powers

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incorporated both magical and
extra-dimensional aspects, she could absorb and

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redirect dimensional energy to enhance her
abilities or shield herself. She participated in

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several encounters involving Argus, rupture,
and breaches between dimensions tied to her

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father's influence. When the defeat of the
multiversal threat from the Batman who laughs led

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to the restructuring of the multiverse, the
original Gypsy, Cindy Reynolds, was restored to

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continuity. And that's her history so far.
Powers-wise, Gypsy casts illusions that bend

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perception, allowing her to render herself
invisible against shifting backgrounds or

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project fear-based hallucinations into
opponents' minds. She can disguise herself as

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individuals of similar size and can extend her
cloaking to nearby allies, objects, or even

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moving vehicles. She possesses limited
precognition and can project an astral form to

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observe from afar, and is a trained combatant,
acrobat, and stealth operative. That's Gypsy.

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Okay, so she's less offensive and more of like a
spy. She's like the ultimate spy. Yeah, you could

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say that. There was a time when she was a member of
Justice League Task Force, where she wore like

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Romani armor and carried a scimitar, but it was
very short-lived. Actually, there was a time when

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Shadowcat carried a Katana sword because she's
trained in Kenjutsu. Or I guess it's not a Katana

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because that was a samurai weapon. It was like a
Ninjado or something. Interesting. Okay.

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Depending on how offensive Gypsy was, I was
thinking about bringing Lockheed into this match

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largely because he almost always accompanies
Kitty Pride. I'm sorry, did you let me have Skeets

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in the booster gold duel? I mean, there's nothing
that Skeets could do that booster gold couldn't.

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Okay, if you're including Lockheed, how are we
going to account for him in the stats though? By

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giving Kitty Pride an extra range boost. Okay.
Yeah. Fuck off. You don't get him. Fine. All right,

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all right. But if I lose, I'm blaming you. I'm
totally okay with that. Blame me for all of your

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losses. You know, Kitty Pride's gonna be able to
hold her own though. Let me go ahead and get into her

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backstory. Catherine Kitty Pride was born in
Deerfield, Illinois, where at age 13, her

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emerging mutant power caused intense headaches.
However, she developed the ability to become

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intangible and pass through solid matter called
phasing. Both Professor Charles Xavier and Emma

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Frost sought to recruit her to their respective
schools. Though their meeting was cut short when

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Frost's armored mercenaries attacked, forcing
Kitty to evade capture and contact the X-Men.

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Phoenix then altered Kitty's parents' memories
so they would allow her to enroll at Xavier school.

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Kitty became the youngest X-Men and took the code
name Sprite, forming close ties with Storm,

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Wolverine, Nightcrawler, and Colossus, while
also befriending Magic. You can learn more about

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the X-Men in their duel against the Titans. Early
in Kitty's time with the X-Men, her older self from

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an alternate future briefly possessed her body to
prevent the assassination of an anti-muteant

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politician named Senator Robert Kelly, whose
death would have led to a post-apocalyptic

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timeline called the Days of Future Past. Kitty
went on to defeat Ingari demons, get abducted by

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the mutant Caliban, and narrowly survive a
confrontation with Magneto that forced him to

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reconsider his increasingly violent methods.
Kitty's parents later transferred her to Emma

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Frost's Massachusetts Academy, where she became
embroiled in Emma's attempt to infiltrate the

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X-Men before ultimately returning to Xavier
school. You can learn more about Emma Frost in our

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Poison Ivy vs White Queen duel episode. During the
X-Men's imprisonment by the parasitic alien race

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known as the Brood, Kitty encountered the small
alien dragon Lockheed who followed her to Earth

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and became her loyal companion. Xavier attempted
to place Kitty with the new mutants team, but after

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she fought off an alien threat with Lockheed's
help, he reinstated her as an X-Man. You can learn

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more about the new mutants in their duel against
the Legion of Superheroes. Kitty and Colossus

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developed a tentative romance, but their
relationship ended when Colossus admitted he had

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fallen in love with another woman. Kitty then
found comfort in her friendship with Cypher,

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though they never pursued a relationship.
Visiting her father in Japan led to Kitty's

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capture by Ogan, who is Wolverine's former
martial arts master and whose psychic

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conditioning forced her to believe she was his
ninja apprentice. After Wolverine helped her

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break Ogan's influence through harsh training,
Kitty defeated Ogan alongside Wolverine and

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returned to the X-Men, adopting the new code name
Shadowcat. During the Marauder's massacre of a

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group of underground mutants known as Morlocks,
Kitty was struck by an energy weapon that left her

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unable to regain full solidity. A joint effort by
the Fantastic Four and Dr. Doom restored Kitty to

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stability, though she needed concentration to
remain tangible. While recovering, she and

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Nightcrawler saw televised footage of the X-Men
apparently sacrificing themselves in a battle

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with the demon known as the adversary, prompting
Kitty and Nightcrawler to help form the team

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Excalibur in London alongside Captain Britain.
You can learn more about Captain Britain in his

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duel against Uncle Sam. With Excalibur, Kitty
fought Mojo's war wolves, helped rescue Rachel

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Summers, and entered a relationship with her
teammate Pete Wisdom. Kitty was later recruited

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by the International Intelligence
Organization's Shield to repair the

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Helicarrier's malfunctioning computers.
There, she discovered that Ogan's spirit had

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infiltrated the system, which she purged with
Wolverine's help. Tensions eventually ended her

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relationship with Pete Wisdom, and after
Excalibur disbanded, Kitty returned to the

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X-Men, who had returned. A visit to the mutant
nation of Genotian profoundly affected Kitty,

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and after Colossus seemingly died curing the
Legacy Virus, she saw a normal life studying at the

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University of Chicago. She became involved in
conflicts with anti-mutant groups such as

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Purity, and helped repel a new wave of sentinels
led by Nimrod, whom you can learn more about in our

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Amazo vs. Bastion duel. Kitty later joined
Storm's Extreme X-Men squad, and confronted

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threats including William Striker and Lord
Imperial, before accepting Cyclops's

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invitation to rejoin the main X-Men team at the
Xavier Institute despite her uneasiness toward

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Emerfrost. On one of her first missions back,
Kitty discovered that Colossus was alive, having

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been experimented on after his apparent death by
an alien from Breakworld. The two reconciled and

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resumed their relationship. Later, Professor
X's twin Cassandra Nova manipulated Kitty's

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mind, making her believe she had a child who had
been taken captive, causing Kitty to free

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Cassandra Nova's consciousness from
imprisonment. Afterward, the X-Men were

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abducted by the extraterrestrial intelligence
agency, Sword, and they were taken to Breakworld.

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There, Kitty phased into a massive bullet that was
fired at Earth, and unable to escape it, she phased

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the whole bullet through the planet, saving
Earth, but remained stuck inside it as it hurtled

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through space. Magneto later tracked and
redirected the bullet, pulling Kitty safely back

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to Earth, though she remained stuck in an
intangible, speechless state. She was later

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fully restored after a Breakworld alien ritual
revived her and stabilized her powers. Kitty then

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accompanied Colossus and Magic to the Crimson
Cosmos, where Colossus became Sidorok's new

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juggernaut, prompting Kitty to end their
rekindled relationship. You can learn more about

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this in our Metal Man vs Colossus Duel. When
Wolverine founded a new mutant school in

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opposition to Cyclops's militarization of the
X-Men, Kitty joined him as Headmistress. There,

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she endured a brood infestation that masqueraded
as a sudden pregnancy, but she was able to remove

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the alien parasite. She later mentored the
time-displaced original X-Men brought to the

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present by Beast, but disagreements over how the
teenagers should be handled led Kitty to leave

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Wolverine school and join Cyclops's Renegade
team, where she worked closely with the young Jean

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Grey. During Jean's kidnapping by the Shiar Alien
race, Kitty collaborated with the Guardians of

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the Galaxy, beginning a romance with Peter Quill,
aka Star-Lord. Kitty traveled to space and

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rescued Quill from the Slaughter Lords, helping
steal a cosmic artifact known as the Black Vortex.

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After the artifact changed hands repeatedly,
Kitty submitted to its power so she could phase the

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entire planet's Spartax and its population from
captivity. Star-Lord proposed to Kitty

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afterward, and she accepted. As Quill became the
King of Spartax, Kitty struggled with his growing

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responsibilities and eventually took on the
mantle of Star-Lord herself. Their relationship

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deteriorated until both were captured by the
Collector and forced to confront their

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unresolved conflict, reconciling before
returning to the Guardians. Kitty later fought

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the Kree accuser Hala, liberated prisoners on a
Pudun world, and assisted Earth's heroes during a

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conflict between Iron Man and Captain Marvel,
before choosing to separate from Quill and leave

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the Guardians of the Galaxy. You can learn more
about that team in their duel against Doom Patrol.

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Back on Earth, Kitty settled briefly in Chicago
before Storm convinced her to rejoin the X-Men as

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their leader. She moved the mansion to Central
Park, oversaw a restructured team, and rekindled

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her relationship with Colossus, ultimately
proposing to him. However, Kitty left Colossus at

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the altar, recognizing their volatile history
was not a foundation for marriage. When the mutant

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nation of Kakao formed, Kitty discovered she
alone could not use its organic gateways.

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Displaced from mutant society, she adopted the
name Kate and accepted Emma Frost's offer to serve

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as the Red Queen of the Hellfire Trading Company,
taking to the high seas and leading the Marauders

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to liberate mutants worldwide. Sebastian Shaw,
former leader of the Hellfire Club, was

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threatened by Kate's influence and arranged to
have her drowned. Resurrection through Kakao

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proved unusually difficult in Kate's case, but
with Emma's intervention, she returned, helped

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defeat and politically neutralize Shaw, and
continued defending mutants. You can learn more

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about Sebastian Shaw in his duel against Vandal
Savage. During a catastrophic attack on Kakao,

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the anti-muent organization Orgis sabotaged the
island's systems and forced Professor Xavier to

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evacuate mutants through the Kakao gateways,
only for the population to vanish to a pocket

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reality due to Orgis' interference. Kate managed
to avoid capture and rebranded herself as

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Shadowcat, Cat with a K. She conducted lethal
covert operations against Orgis, later joining a

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small strike team that continued resisting until
Orgis' eventual defeat. With the conflict over,

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she returned to Chicago, where a young mutant
inspired her to re-embrace her cheerful nature

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and go back to her nickname Kitty instead of Kate.
Powers-wise, Shadowcat, with a K, has the ability

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to phase through matter by rendering herself or
any part of herself intangible. She can extend

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this intangibility to anyone or anything in her
immediate proximity, allowing whatever she

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touches to phase as well. While phased inside
solid matter, she is decoupled from gravity and

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inertia, allowing her to sink or rise through the
matter freely. A limitation on her intangibility

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is that it is harder for her to phase through
extremely dense matter, for example, phasing

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through adamantium makes her sick. She is also
unable to phase through mystical energies or

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electromagnetic energy such as radiation,
electricity, or microwaves. However, this

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allows her to disrupt electronic devices while
phasing through them, as well as a person's

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nervous system, causing anything from shock to
unconsciousness in her enemies. She can also

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partially phase, becoming just dense enough to
affect a person's internal states. She can also

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phase out of sync with Earth's rotation, allowing
her to travel due west at a rate of approximately

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1000 miles per hour at the equator, down to around
500 miles per hour in the mainland United States.

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While tangible, her mind is immune to telepathy.
She is also an expert in computer science and a

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Wait, she is immune to telepathy? When
intangible, yes. I don't know how that is going to

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affect this particular battle, but I guess we will
play it out and see how that goes. Well, Gypsy is a

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telepath, but her power affects all senses, not
just telepathic ones. I mean, she simulates

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senses through the person's brain through
telepathy, how I figure it works. I don't know how

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it works. I don't think it's that though. Okay,
okay. Let's find out. All right, guys, the clock is

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stop the holiday countdown. Well, now that we've
got their histories and abilities out of the way,

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let's speculate on how one of the 1000 simulated
matches will go. The winner is determined by

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simulations, not this speculation, but it's fun
to imagine how this fight could play out. AJ9K,

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what are the rules of speculation? Well, I should
say there are no rules other than the characters

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have no prior knowledge of the other going into the
fight. All they are aware of starting out is that

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the other character is a threat that needs to be
eliminated. For the speculation, the

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contestants will begin approximately 50 meters
apart in a nondescript environment that will have

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no bearing on the match itself, as no
environmental statistics are considered in my

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simulations. The contestants must earn victory
on their own merit. Alright, then let's get into

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it. Gypsy and Shadowcat meet on the battlefield.
Who goes first? I say Shadowcat is gonna start

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first by phasing into the ground beneath her, so
she's intangible. That means Gypsy can't see her

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and she can't also psychically influence her, so
Gypsy can't do jack shit. Okay, well, what are

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Shadowcat's senses like underground? Uh, well,
her vision is obscured and her hearing would be

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dulled, and her smell would also be dulled, and
like she has to hold her breath while phased

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through solid matter because there's no oxygen
there, and that limits the time that she can spend

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within solid matter. So not great. We'll say not
great. Alright, I guess I'll just fucking wait for

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her to come back up to the surface then, because
when she does, she's not gonna see Gypsy anywhere,

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because Gypsy goes invisible. Well, uh, like
assuming Gypsy didn't move after Shadowcat went

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underground, Shadowcat leaps from out of the
ground with a ninja kick that busts Gypsy right in

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the nose, blurring her vision. Ah, damn, sorry.
Gypsy did in fact move because she's not an idiot,

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so Shadowcat literally kicks air and, you know,
she awkwardly lands. That's when her legs are

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gonna get swept out from under her by Gypsy, still
invisible, and Shadowcat is gonna land on her

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head, knocking her out. Sorry to tell you, only the
soles of Shadowcat's feet were tangible as she

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landed. The rest of her was intangible, so when
Gypsy tries to sweep the leg, she just gets nothing

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but air. And after that big ol' whiff, Shadowcat's
able to detect Gypsy's invisible leg going

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through her, and therefore she's able to
determine her location. So using that, Shadowcat

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leaps through Gypsy's body, disrupting the
electrical signals in her nervous system, and

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causing her to become visible, and also barf her
brains out. And like when Gypsy's bent over,

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puking, Shadowcat just punts her right in the
throat. Dang. Okay, well that will cause puke to

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spray all over Shadowcat as Gypsy gets knocked
away by the kick. No, no, no, the puke just goes

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right through Shadowcat, okay? And since Gypsy's
still visible, Shadowcat's gonna follow up with

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this front flip drop heel kick. It's called a
rolling thunder kick, and that's just gonna knock

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Gypsy the fuck out. Like, she's gonna be
unconscious after a kick like that. Except that

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the Gypsy that Shadowcat attacked was an
illusion. The real Gypsy, you know, got her

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bearings and rolled away to recover while leaving
a decoy projection of herself, so Shadowcat just

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lands on the ground really hard. And since her body
was fully tangible to lend weight to her attack,

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Shadowcat receives the full brunt of Gypsy's own
running drop kick right as she lands. No, that foot

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would just go right through Shadowcat. Fuck you.
No, it doesn't. Okay, let's say Gypsy does land a

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kick on Shadowcat. Big deal, it's not gonna happen
again. Like, Gypsy would probably try to follow up

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with another hit, and that one would go right
through Shadowcat. So Gypsy would be thrown off

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balance, and that would leave her open for
Shadowcat to again, except this time she takes one

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of Gypsy's eyeballs with her, just phases it right
out of her skull. Actually, before she could do

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that, Shadowcat is gonna stop short when she sees
that Gypsy suddenly is like a fucking vampire

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zombie swamp monster, which is an illusion, of
course, but Shadowcat's gonna get so freaked out

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by this, so shocked that she's gonna fault her and
become tangible, giving Gypsy just enough time to

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do like a palm strike right to Shadowcat's solar
plexus. Except the palm goes right through

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Shadowcat. You bitch. Okay, fine. Gypsy knocks
the wind out of Shadowcat, so Shadowcat's gonna

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fall over, but she's just gonna fall into the
ground again to recover. And then she's gonna

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launch out of the ground again with an uppercut
that phases Gypsy's heart right out of her chest.

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Fatality. Match over, Shadowcat wins. No, no, no,
because Gypsy has limited precognition. That

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actually helps her perfect her illusion casting
ability in like chaotic environments. So Gypsy

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saw this coming, and she's just gonna step out of
the way, grab Shadowcat's tangible fist, and just

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flip her back onto the ground in this really
powerful slam, when strong enough that it

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straight up knocks Shadowcat out, giving Gypsy
the win. Now, Shadowcat just phases into the

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ground again. I will cut you. This, this is exactly
why we waited so long to do a kitty pride duel. Well,

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maybe instead of phasing into the ground, all of a
sudden Shadowcat phases out of sync with the

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earth, so that all of a sudden Gypsy gets flung at
like 500 miles per hour due west alongside kitty

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pride, and like just gets fucking thrown that way.
Did you not hear me say she has precognition? I'm

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pretty sure I said that. That's fair. We could go
ahead and leave the duel there. Either Shadowcat

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takes Gypsy out by phasing her heart out of her
chest, or Gypsy sees this coming and slams her to

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the ground, knocking Shadowcat unconscious. Not
gonna lie, one of those endings is a lot cooler than

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the other. We'll go ahead and input their stats,
run the simulations, and come back with a winner. A

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G9K? Hit it! Alright, this was a very tricky
speculation to do, largely because both of these

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characters are so defensive within their power
set that we quickly, I feel like, ran out of ideas on

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how they could attack each other. This is one of the
reasons why you should let me include Lockheed in

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this duel No, sorry, Lockheed is not Shadowcat.
Shadowcat is Shadowcat. So she was the only one you

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got in this duel. I do think it would have spiced
things up a little bit because Gypsy and Shadowcat

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weren't too impressive statistically when it
came to things like damage level, or strength, or

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durability. They were hella evasive. Shadowcat
is faster than Gypsy, but only when going due west.

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We said when they came to fighting skill, they were
even, and also versatility, which is not

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surprising because they're both kind of
one-trick ponies. I was surprised that Gypsy was

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as good of a fighter as Shadowcat. Dude, yeah, she
trained under Bronze Tiger. Is that more

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impressive than training under Wolverine? Hell
yeah, bro. Hell yeah. Now, in addition to speed,

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Shadowcat also got the edge when it came to
intellect and evasiveness, but only because it's

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harder to hit someone who's intangible than
someone who's invisible. But Gypsy got the edge

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when it came to perception, considering she's a
telepath. And she also has limited precognition.

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And could observe things from afar with her astral
projection, which is why she also got a slight

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range advantage, also considering that she could
project her illusions to encompass like a room. So

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taking all of this into consideration, Joseph,
who do you think came out on top in this match?

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Shadowcat, because I don't care how invisible
Gypsy goes, she's not going to be able to touch

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Shadowcat. You think so, huh? Yeah. And Instagram
agrees with me. 67%, literally two-thirds of our

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poll takers have cited with Shadowcat. And I got to
say, it's about damn time that they sided with the

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Marvel character. And yet we all know this is
because Shadowcat has been in the movies. And the

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Instagram poll is much more of a popularity
contest, rather than an evaluation of the

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character's stats. Yeah, Shadowcat's been
better represented in the media, and is just

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generally a better character overall, is what
you're saying? Yes. The Instagram poll takers

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know this. But will that result in a win? Let's find
out. AJ9K, the results, please. Here you are, sir.

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The winner of the matchup between Gypsy and
Shadowcat is Shadowcat. Of course, I feel like I

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barely have to celebrate this. It was obvious from
the start. It was not obvious. What are you talking

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about? I totally thought Gypsy was going to come
ahead in this. Shadowcat won an even 560 out of the

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1000 matches, or 56% of the time, compared to
Gypsy, who only won 44%. Jonathan, Netflix bought

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DC and Gypsy lost this dual matchup. What are you
doing next? I'm going to beat your ass is what I'm

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going to do. Drive over to your house right now,
kicking your door. Thanks for the warning. I will

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set my alarm. Or I guess it would just make more
sense just to call the cops. They'll be on my side

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for all the shit talking you do. Well, congrats to
the Marvel fans. You guys did it again. Showed DC

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what's up. We all know that Marvel's better,
especially nowadays. Cheers to you guys. Well,

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that does it for this shitty episode. AJ9K help
close us out. Thanks for listening to Dynamic

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Dual. Visit the show's website at
dynamicdual.com and follow us on Instagram at

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Dynamic Dual podcast. Don't forget to listen to
the other shows in the Dynamite podcast network,

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including Max Destruction, Senjo World, and
Console Combat. In our next episode, which

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hopefully will be better, I think it will be, it's
going to be another duel this time between the

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Superman villain Parasite against Sauron of the
Savage Land. Yeah, he's an X-Men villain

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primarily. He looks like a big green pterodactyl.
So look forward to that next week. We want to give a

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big thanks to our executive producers, John
Sturrosky, Zachary Hepburn, Dustin Belcombe,

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Nathaniel Wagner, Levi Aitin, Austin
Wazalowski, AJ Dunkerly, Nick Cabanto, Scott

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Camacho, Gil Camacho, Adam Speese, Dean Molesky,
Devin Davis, Joseph Kirsting, and Paul Graves for

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helping make this podcast possible. And we'll
talk to you guys next week. Up up and away, true

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believers.