Jonah Hex vs Deathlok

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simulations. I'm Marvelous Joe and I'm his twin
brother, Johnny DC. And in this episode, we're

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going to find out who would win in a fight between
the cowboy character of Jonah Hex and the zombie

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cyborg character of Deathlock. Everybody knows
you put a cowboy against anyone, the cowboy's

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coming out on top. Sure, except for zombie
cyborgs, obviously. Dude, zombies are like the

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easiest things to kill except when they're
cyborgs. Except when the cyborg has a zombie

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brain. No, he has a human brain, it's reanimated,
and he also has a computer brain to go with it.

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Marvel needs to make up their mind. Is he a zombie?
Is he a cyborg? What's going on? He's a winner is

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what he is. And we're going to find out later on this
episode when he beats Jonah Hex. Before we get into

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that battle, we're going to break down the latest
comic book movie news to come out this past week, of

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which we have a few news items, including the news
that Brainiac has been confirmed as the villain

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for the Man of Tomorrow film. We got a couple
surprise crossover comic books released by

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Marvel and DC, the publishing divisions. And we
also learned there is a Jimmy Olsen spin-off

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television series in development. As always, we
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hosts John and Dean simulate battles between
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episode, they found out who would win between
Tartarus from Halo and General Ramm from Gears of

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War. Over on the Max Destruction podcast, hosts
Scotty and Gilly, pet your favorite action heroes

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from film and television against each other. The
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be back in December with some Christmas season
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Hepburn speculates on fights between fan
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episode, Zach is revealing who would win between
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Tatsumaki the tornado of terror from One Punch
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in our show notes to listen to all the shows in the
Dynamite podcast network. But with that out of the

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way, quick to the No Prize. A No Prize is an award
that Marvel used to give out to fans. Our version,

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the Dynamic Dual No Prize, is a digital award that
we post on Instagram for the person that we feel

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gave the best answer to our question of the week.
Last week, we asked you guys, what Marvel or DC

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movie or television show from 2025 has been your
favorite and why? And this is coming off of the end

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of Peacemaker Season 2, which was the final show
released by Marvel or DC for this year. There's

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nothing really else that they're putting out
that's new. So we wanted to get your guys'

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opinions. Let's run down our honorable mentions
as well as the No Prize winner. Our first honorable

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mention goes to Alex Albro, who said, Not to be a
dead horse, but it's got to be Superman. You know, I

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was worried about this movie, but you could feel
the excitement in the parking lot in line for

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concessions in the theater. Seeing him bleed in
the opening moments was so abnormal and crazy. To

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me, you know, this was a big determining factor in
whether or not I keep up with DC. And it sold me. Made

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me like a character I've historically disliked
for a long time. Plus, you know, my wife liked it a

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lot too, which is great because she only goes to
these movies because I ask her to. She's not a huge

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fan, but she really liked Superman. Yeah, one of
the biggest criticisms against Superman is that

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he's too powerful. So for this movie to open the way
it did with him losing his first battle and we get to

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see him bruised and bleeding, I'm sure it was a
shock for a lot of people who make that criticism

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against the character. Yeah, I think James Gunn
knows that a vulnerable Superman is an

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interesting Superman, whether that be
emotionally vulnerable or physically

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vulnerable. I think that's one of the main reasons
why this particular movie resonated with fans as

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much as it did this year. Great answer, Alex. Our
next honorable mention goes to Colby Hinchus, who

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said, Hey, boys, Colby Hinchus, the best Marvel DC
project of 2025 was Superman. That movie had no

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right being as good as it was. I've watched it
probably 20 times since it's been on Max. It's

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everything I wanted DC movie to be. It's
everything the Snyderverse wasn't, which makes

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it great. Yeah, James Gunn's approach to
Superman, making him more human, is pretty much

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exactly the opposite of what Zack Snyder tried to
do, which was essentially to deify the character.

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And whereas James Gunn's Superman was
empathetic, even going so far as to save squirrels

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in Zack Snyder's universe, of course, you have pod
can't questioning whether Clark Kent should even

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save a school bus full of children. They could not
be more different. And I think the success of James

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Gunn's Superman goes to show how people expect the
character of Superman to be. He nailed that. Do you

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think James Gunn's Superman film affects your
star rating for the Man of Steel movie? I still like

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Man of Steel. I think it's an interesting
Elseworlds tale. Like a sci-fi take on Superman, I

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think is really cool. But I do think that James Gunn
nailed the character of Superman that I am more

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familiar with from the comics. Gotcha. I would say
James Gunn is more of a comic fan, whereas Zack

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Snyder is probably more of like a philosophy and
mythology fan, I suppose. Well, great answer to

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Colby. Our final honorable mention goes to by Dear
Bangora. Who said? Oh, Daniel, I think the best

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show of 2020. To be the second only the second.
We'll turn again. I think the pacing are better.

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The story telling was better. You can see that it
was a bit different from there. And you can also see

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that the story and continues. And it seems like a
continuation of the previous Daredevil series.

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So for me, it has to be the second half of Daredevil.
One again. See, I'm the opposite. I actually liked

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the opening of Daredevil born again more than the
closing. Well, the first episode was fantastic,

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right? Or at least the first part of the first
episode. I enjoyed the show overall, and you could

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definitely listen to our review of that series
while it didn't quite hold up to the Netflix

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series. I think it's still very much carried on the
torch that the Netflix series started. The show

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runners didn't switch halfway through the
season. So I guess I'm a little bit confused why by

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dear preferred the second half. But I will say that
the series did kind of meander a little bit in the

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middle of the season and didn't quite pick back up
until we got into the Muse story arc. Great answer

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by dear, but the winner of this week's No Prize is
Travis Herndon. Who said? What's up, Dany Medus?

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Travis here. Shout out to Maevele Twin. So my
answer would be your friendly neighborhood,

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Spider-Man. I know like since the teaser trailer
and pictures and stuff came out, everybody was

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bashing on it from the art style to it being quote
unquote woke because of the great swaps and even

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you guys were a little bit against it. But after it
came out, the show was really good. Love how the

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origins of certain heroes and villains and
everything. And I really enjoyed the show and I

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can't wait for season two. So yeah. Yeah. The
reason that Travis won this week's No Prize is

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largely because one, he gave an original answer,
but also I have a lot to say about your friendly

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neighborhood, Spider-Man. Now, quick
disclaimer, I haven't finished the season yet.

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I've only on episode like four or five, I think. But
I can see where people would enjoy it because the

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animation is fantastic. Done in the Steve Ditko
art style, the way Spider-Man moves and like

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swings through the city is probably the most
dynamic and visually spectacular the character

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has ever looked in animation. Obviously not more
so than the Spider-Verse films, though. I was just

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about to say what? Yeah. The music is fantastic in
the show. So it looks and sounds amazing. That

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being said, my gripes with the show still hold from
my criticisms of when the show was being

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developed. It was initially marketed as being an
animated version of the MCU. Peter Parker giving

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us a look at his early days of being Spider-Man
during his freshman year. In fact, the show was

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called Spider-Man freshman year. They changed it
to your friendly neighborhood, Spider-Man, when

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it was clear it was no longer going to be an MCU
Spidey, but rather a multiversal variant of

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Spidey. And the story is close enough to the MCU
Spider-Man to kind of just piss you off because

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they make a whole bunch of changes that I feel like
were unnecessary. Not in terms of like race

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bending or anything like that, but in terms of like
having Peter go through experiences in his

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freshman year that we know that MCU Peter went
through in his sophomore year, changing things

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like his crush from Liz to Pearl, changing things
like his origin being magical in nature and that he

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was bitten by a spider that came through a mystical
portal. As a matter of fact, Doctor Strange was

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there when Peter Parker got bit in this series,
which kind of negates the whole introduction that

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they had where Peter Parker was like, oh, we're
going by our made up names. So I'm Spider-Man, you

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know. So there's a lot that the series takes away
from MCU Spidey. At the end of the day, I still

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really wanted this to be what it was initially
marketed as, as Tom Holland's Spider-Man's

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origin story. It's clever, sure, and how it
approaches its universe's characters and

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origins and things like that. But I've also seen
that done really well in other animated

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Spider-Man shows, like Spectacular Spider-Man
or the 90s Spider-Man. I mean, like I've said

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before, when I first heard that this was a
multiverse story, I was like, yeah, I'm not going

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to watch that. Is it worth watching? Do you
recommend it? I think if you're a Spider-Man fan

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who isn't sick of seeing his original story
rehashed time and again, especially if you're a

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fan of the early Ditko comic books and stuff like
that, I think it's worth checking out for sure. OK,

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so I should not watch it. Yeah, probably not. Yes.
Well, great answer, Travis. I'm glad you like the

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show. Congrats on winning this week's No Prize. If
you, the listener, want to shot at winning your own

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No Prize, stay tuned to later on in this episode
when we'll be asking another question of the week.

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But now that that's done, on to the news. OK, the
world's worst kept secret. It was revealed last

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week by Umberto Gonzalez of The Wrap that the main
villain of the Superman sequel, Man of Tomorrow,

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is Brainiac. Now, we all suspected that this was
going to be the case. James Gunn didn't

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necessarily even try to hide it going so far as to
put an image of a brain on the script cover for Man of

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Tomorrow. But I do got to say with this news
confirmed, I am super excited to see Brainiac in

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live action. He's the number one villain I've
always wanted to see in a Superman movie. There's

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been a lot of depictions of him in a lot of other
media, like the animated series, like the video

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games, like Injustice, or even like the My
Adventures with Superman cartoon that came out

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last year. I think with the advent of AI in real
life, this is a very timely villain. And I'm super

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stoked to see him go toe to toe up against both
Superman and Lex Luthor. Oh, yeah, super timely.

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Although is Brainiac AI what you consider him?
Sometimes he is. Sometimes he's more like an

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alien. What's your preferred version of
Brainiac? Oh, that's a good question. I actually

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do prefer it when he is an AI who maybe kind of
developed his own body. The Kaluan version is not

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my favorite version, though I wouldn't hate it if
they went that direction. Brainiac, if you

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remember, in our Brainiac versus Ultron match is
from the planet Colu, a alien race of super

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intelligent beings. And he was like the smartest
one. I really liked the version that was in My

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Adventures with Superman season two. He was
really unique in there. Of course, Brainiac has

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been in a few animated movies as well, including
one from the 90s called Superman Brainiac

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attacks. And then I think he was also the main
antagonist in Superman Unbound. Yes, that's

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correct. And he was also in Superman Red Sun. I'm
super curious to see who they're going to cast in

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the role. I'm hoping they're going to make that
announcement soon because this movie starts

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filming in April, surprisingly, which is
awesome. Like remember when they used to make

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superhero movies back to back? Yeah, they would
like release the movie and then the following year

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they would film the sequel so that the following
year after that they would release the sequel. So

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we would get the sequels a couple years apart from
each other as opposed to five, six, seven years

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apart looking at you, Shang-Chi. Yeah, this is the
way to do it. Brainiac is the way to go. I am all

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aboard the hype train. Just be sure to check your
expectations right out of the gate, Jonathan. You

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haven't even seen the Supergirl movie yet. Oh, I
wonder if they'll have like an end credits teaser

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of Brainiac. That would be dope. Sure. And other DC
Superman related news. We also learned that DC

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Studios is developing a Jimmy Olsen spin off TV
series from the character that we saw in the

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Superman movie. It's from the American Vandal
creators. If you're familiar with that show, it's

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on Netflix. It won a Peabody and I think it was
nominated for an Emmy. It's a fantastic show. If

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you haven't seen it, hilarious. And I wonder if
they're going to take the same kind of

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mockumentary approach with this Jimmy Olsen spin
off show. Some people are calling it DC crime. I'm

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not sure why. I don't think James Gunn knows why
either. But I'm all there for it because it looks

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like a lot of the Daily Planet stars are set to
return. I mean, that's great because I would say

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that the Daily Planet cast was underutilized and
largely pointless in the Superman movie, which

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was surprising considering the cast that they had
for them, you know, like Beck Bennett, Wendell

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Pierce, McKayla Hoover and Christopher
McDonald. They played Steve Lombard, Perry

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White, Kat Grant and Ron Troupe respectively. I
also wonder if maybe David Cornswet and Rachel

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Brosnahan will return to their roles also as Clark
and Lois. That would be cool. I'm not sure how

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excited people are about this, but I remember when
they announced the powerless television show,

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people were bitching about that for some reason,
because I found the premise quite interesting.

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And then the show came out and like you liked it, you
watched it. You thought it was great, but it ended

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up getting canceled early, largely due to the lack
of interest in it. I hope that doesn't happen with

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this. Yes, this is a television series that no one
asked for. That doesn't mean it won't be good. I

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mean, I asked for this. I love this. I think if DC
wants to get this off the ground, they should just

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title this spin off series The Daily Planet. Yeah,
you got brand name recognition right there. I

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would also accept the adventures of Jimmy Olsen.
No, no one's going to watch that. I would. And I hope

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he would get turtle powers. Apparently the show is
going to revolve also around Gorilla Grodd,

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though. Maybe it's like Jimmy Olsen tracking
Gorilla Grodd in Metropolis. And that sounds

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amazing. How are you not excited about this?
Anyone who's not excited about this? Because you

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should be. I mean, throwing in Gorilla Grodd does
sound a little bit ridiculous, but in the best way.

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OK, in other news, in comic book news, actually, in
a follow up to the Deadpool, Batman, Marvel and DC

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crossover comic event from earlier this year, the
publishers dropped two surprise web comics on DC

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Universe Infinite and Marvel Unlimited, a flash
and fantastic for crossover story and a Shazam

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Thor crossover story. I think largely it was a
means of promoting the other publishers' digital

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subscription content, because it was the
weirdest thing. As a Marvel Unlimited

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subscriber, I suddenly got an email from Marvel
with an offer to subscribe to DC Comics. It was so

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fucking disturbing. It's like hell is freezing
over. Yeah. And I don't know, like, is that a good

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thing? What's happening? Is the science of like a
consistent partnership and collaboration going

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forward? Maybe even potentially a merger down the
line? Better not. Is all I'm saying. We got to keep

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these things separate. Otherwise, I'm not going
to know who to root for. It would be like Star Wars

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and Star Trek promoting each other's content.
Yeah, or like Pepsi and Coke joining forces to

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release a new drink together. Ew. Pepsi Coke. That
sounds disgusting. I would spit that out. Same

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here. That being said, if Marvel and DC want to
collaborate on a fighting video game, combining

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the two universes, I would be all for that. That is
all I've ever wanted in life. I did read the Shazam

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Thor crossover comic book. I thought it was pretty
good that you teamed up against Mr. Mind. I enjoyed

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it. But this crossover event brings us to our
question of the week. Well, Marvel versus DC

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crossover, have you always wanted to see in the
comics? And why? Out of all the crossovers we've

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gotten from the publishers, including, you know,
the 90s DC versus Marvel crossover and even before

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that, like the original Superman versus
Spider-Man and Hulk versus Batman. Later on in the

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2000s, we got JLA Avengers. And then recently, of
course, the various crossover events. Besides

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those, what two characters from Marvel and DC have
you always wanted to read about teaming up or going

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for all the news this week. So let's go ahead and
move into our main event for this episode, where we

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find out who would win in a fight between the DC
character of Jonah Hex and the Marvel character of

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Deathlock. All right, Jonah Hex versus
Deathlock. We've been trying to get both of these

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characters in a duel for years now. And the time has
finally come. They're both semi popular, I think,

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within their respective universes. Jonah Hex
even had a film adaptation and he was a prominent

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character in one of the seasons of Legends of
Tomorrow. Yeah, he was also featured in an episode

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of the Batman animated series and had his own DC
showcase short, which was pretty good. Yeah, I

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really liked that one. Deathlock hasn't been in as
much media, I would say. There was a version of the

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character that was in the agents of shield
television series, although it wasn't the

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version of the character that I'll be going with,
which is the original Deathlock from the comic

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books named Luther Manning. Basically, the other
versions of Deathlock would be way too damn

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powerful for Jonah Hex. So we went with the
original and let's beefed up a version of

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Deathlock. Yeah, basically, the reason we and the
executive producers decided to pit these two

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characters against each other is because we think
they're awesome. And also because they have a lot

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of similarities in terms of like half of their face
is missing and they're also really good marksmen

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with their guns. That's pretty much it. Yeah,
you're right. I don't know much about Jonah Hex, so

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I'm interested in learning how accurate the movie
adaptation was for the character. Well, I'm here

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to set the record straight about how sucky their
interpretation of Jonah Hex was. But before that,

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to explain the methodology behind our duels,
let's go to our sentient dual simulator, Alfred

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Jarvis, 9000. AJ9K, tell our listeners how you go
about determining a winner in our dual matchups.

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Yes, of course, sir. The way I determine a winner
between the contestants is by running 1000 Monte

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Carlo simulations using the characters
statistics. A Monte Carlo simulation is a

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probabilistic model used to determine outcomes
through random sampling. In this case, I

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randomize the statistics along a normal
distribution as a way to simulate the many

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variables that can occur during battle. The stat
parameters are based on the official Marvel power

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grid from which the DC characters statistics are
extrapolated. Additional stat categories are

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included such as range, damage potential,
versatility and perception in order to create a

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more detailed and accurate simulation. The
results of the 1000 simulations provide a

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percentage of wins for each character. The
contestant with the higher percentage is

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declared the victor as they have a higher
probability to win any given battle. In an

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equitable pairing, neither character should win
100% of the matches. The comic book stories have

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shown that there's even a way for Batman to defeat
Superman. So the confidence rate of my method

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falls in line with the precedents that have been
established in the source material. My

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mathematical simulations are without
subjectivity or bias. Feats are not the sole

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consideration, nor are fan votes tabulated for
determination of the winner. Thanks, AJ9K.

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Before we run the simulations, though, we like to
break down each character's histories and

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abilities before improvising a scenario on how we
imagine one of the 1000 simulations would play out

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beat for beat. And I believe it's my turn to go first
with the Marvel characters backstory. So let me

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tell you all about Deathlock. Luther Manning was a
Detroit, Michigan native from an alternate

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reality called Earth 7484 in the greater Marvel
multiverse. He enlisted in the US Army and rose to

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the rank of Colonel before the political collapse
of his reality. In his timeline, the Age of Heroes

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ended when the multinational corporation,
RocksOn, used dimensional technology to

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eliminate Earth's superhumans. The aftermath
triggered widespread war and devastation across

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the United States. Manning served through this
turmoil, but during a training exercise, he was

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critically injured by a concussion bomb.
Declared legally dead after failing to survive

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surgery, he was selected by Major Simon Riker for
Project Alphamec, a covert initiative intended

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to produce cyborg soldiers. Manning's remains
were rebuilt by Simon's brother Harlan, who

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transplanted Manning's brain, nervous system,
and surviving organic tissue into a cybernetic

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body. After five years in stasis, Manning was
reanimated as the cyborg Deathlock, named for his

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ability to be locked into a suspended death-like
state. Riker oversaw his training and

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deployment, intending to use the cyborgs to seize
global power, while Harlan pursued his own vision

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of replacing humanity entirely with cyborgs that
he called Homo Ascendant. As Deathlock's human

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memories reemerged, he began resisting his
program's directives and ultimately broke free

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of Riker's control. In discovering his new
condition, he learned that he had been declared

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dead and that his wife had remarried his friend,
Mike Travers. Unable to take his own life due to

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built-in fail safes, he instead dedicated
himself to undermining Riker, who at overtime

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also become a cyborg through his brother Harlan's
experiments. Riker attempted to merge with New

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York's Omni Computer to become the digital entity
called Savier Machine, but Deathlock forced him

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out, leaving Riker mentally shattered. The CIA
attempted to restore Luther's humanity by

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transferring his consciousness into a cloned
human body, but the process only recreated his

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memories in the clone while leaving the cyborg
unchanged. Deathlock continued operating for

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the agency, primarily targeting the threat of
Harlan Riker, now operating as the cyborg

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Hellinger. During this period, Deathlock
encountered a time-traveling Spider-Man from

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Earth 616, Marvel's primary timeline, as an early
sign of the temporal disruptions that would

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repeatedly intersect with Luther's life.
Deathlock soon encountered Godwolf, a former

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rocks-on operative turned rebel leader who
sought to save what remained of America after the

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elimination of the world's superhumans plunged
into chaos. To protect him from Hellinger's

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forces, Godwolf displaced Deathlock through
time to Earth 616. There, Deathlock assisted the

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mystic hero Devil Slayer against a cult before an
attempt to return him home was intercepted by the

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Fixer and Mintello. The villains implanted a
control device in Luther and used the cyborg in an

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assassination plot against the US president, but
their plan was stopped by the Fantastic Four and

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the Impossible Man. Freed from external control,
Deathlock entered a catatonic state and was taken

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into shield custody. Agents of Earth 616's
rocks-on later stole Deathlock's cyborg body and

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delivered it to their corporation facility,
where this timeline's version of Harlan Riker

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examined it. Riker created a fully robotic
Deathlock duplicate which was subsequently

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destroyed by the Thing and Quasar. Meanwhile,
Luther's true body was reprogrammed by rocks-on

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for their efforts toward repeating the actions of
Earth 7484 and eliminating the world's

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superhumans. In Luther's native reality,
Godwolf sent a clone of Luther back in time to

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locate the original Deathlock. Luther killed the
clone during the confrontation, but the dying

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duplicate's touch restored Deathlock's
suppressed memories and freed him from

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rocks-on's programming. Deathlock returned to
his timeline with Captain America and Godwolf's

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team called the Redeemers to stop Hellinger from
deploying an army of doomsday mechs. Though

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Hellinger briefly took control of Deathlock's
systems, Luther resisted long enough to kill him.

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Captain America's subsequent actions in Earth
616 prevented rocks-on from destroying his

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country, causing Marvel's reality to diverge
from the timeline that produced Manning.

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Deathlock remained active in Earth 7484,
assisting Godwolf against the foreign ruler

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Timestream after the Redeemers were killed in an
An assault that triggered further global

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destruction. Disillusioned upon learning
Godwolf had hidden crucial information from him,

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Deathlok abandoned the struggle. He later fought
alongside the deviant Tantalus, though these

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battles did little to alter the ongoing collapse
of his world. Upon learning that remnants of

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Roxxon had resumed their efforts to eliminate
superhumans in Earth 616, Deathlok traveled back

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to that reality, only to be shut down and seized by
SHIELD. Though repaired under the assumption he

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could be controlled, Deathlok rebooted
autonomously, destroyed Roxxon's developing

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technology, and returned to his native timeline
once again. By 2011, the computer core within

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Luther's body had deteriorated, leaving him
operating in a severely degraded state and forced

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to survive on his own. TimeStream reappeared and
recruited him with promises to rewrite the past so

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that he would never become Deathlok. The scheme
drew the attention of the Time Variance

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Authority, who sent Godwolf to stop him.
TimeStream recruited the human Luther Manning of

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Earth 616, while Godwolf enlisted Earth 616's
version of Deathlok named Michael Collins.

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Luther eventually discovered TimeStream's true
nature and cited with Michael Collins to end his

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plans. Regarding the Earth 616 version of
Deathlok that I just mentioned, Michael Collins

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was a computer programmer and neuroscientist
born in Philadelphia who earned advanced degrees

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in prosthetics. A pacifist devoted to ethical
technological development, he joined CyberTech

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Systems, which was a Roxxon subsidiary,
believing his work in neural prosthetics would

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benefit the disabled. Unaware of his company's
secret Deathlok program, Collins only learned

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the truth when he discovered his research had been
appropriated for weapons development. When he

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confronted his superior, Harlan Riker, Collins
was shot with a sedative and his brain was

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transplanted into CyberTech's newest Deathlok
cyborg. Upon awakening in the cyborg body,

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Michael Collins initially had no control over its
actions and witnessed the machine killing

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soldiers during field testing. Gradually, he
asserted his will, preventing the killing of a

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child and overriding the program's lethality
protocols by imposing a strict no-killing

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parameter on the system. He learned that his
original human body still existed and tracked

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Harlan Riker to a weapons deal, capturing him
before turning him over to authorities.

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Michael's existence as Deathlok brought him into
contact with SHIELD, the Fantastic Four, the

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X-Men, Spider-Man, and other heroes. He
participated in efforts ranging from preventing

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a nuclear strike on the United States to stopping
the Sinister Six and assisting in the defeat of

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Carnage. During this period, he revealed his
cyborg identity to his family, his wife Tracy,

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their children Nicholas and Tisha, and his
extended relatives while continuing to search

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for a way to restore his original body. Michael was
later abducted to a distant world by the cosmic

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scientist called The Stranger and lived there for
years with other superhumans until their

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eventual escape. After the group's escape from
the alien world, Michael found that he could

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revert to human form at will. However, once he
arrived back on Earth, he was unable to transform

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back into Deathlok, ending his tenure as the hero.
Meanwhile, Luther Manning, the original

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Deathlok, still resentful of Godwulf's
manipulations, stole a time gauntlet and

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abandoned his native timeline, traveling
permanently to Earth 616. There he lived in the

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sewers of Manhattan where he helped protect
innocent residents of an underground community

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called the Tunnel Dwellers before departing them
to contemplate his existence. There have been

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several other victims of the Deathlok program
over the years, including Harlan Riker's own

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daughter, called Deathlokit. But that is the
history of the two primary Deathloks. For this

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still, I'll be going with the original Luther
Manning version of the character because Michael

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Collins is just way too strong and durable for it to
be a fair fight against Jonah Hex. Powers-wise,

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Luther Manning's Deathlok has a reanimated body
with cyborg enhancements. This gives him

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increased strength, able to lift 10 tons, and
enhanced durability. His mind reacts and

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processes information at computer speeds and
allows for tracking and targeting multiple

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subjects. He carries a helium neon laser pistol
and a 9 inch throwing dagger that magnetically

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attaches to his calf. As a former US Army colonel,
he is a trained hand combatant, marksman, and

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strategist. And that's Deathlok. I wanted to get
into the backstory of both the primary Deathlok

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from Earth 74-84 and into the Earth 616 Deathlok,
which was Michael Collins. They both have very

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different backstories. And actually, the
Michael Collins version of the character was

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created by Dwayne McDuffie, who also created
characters like Static and Icon for Milestone

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Comics. I'm legit surprised that we have not had a
Deathlok movie. I mean, just listening to that

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backstory, it sounds like a 90s movie. Well, I
mean, Robocop ripped it off wholesale. Deathlok

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came out in the 70s, Robocop came out in the 80s, but
it's essentially the same exact story. Deathlok

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just looks a little bit more zombie cyborg.
Henceforth, I will always watch Robocop thinking

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of it as a Deathlok movie in the same way that I watch
Ghost thinking of it as a Deadman movie. The 80s,

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man. They were just ripping off comic book stories
all the time. Well, if Robocop is essentially

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Deathlok, I do have to say that his movie is better
than the Jonah Hex movie, but the Jonah Hex comic

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storyline would have made a better one. So let me
get into his backstory from the comics. Jonah Hex

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was born in 1838 in Missouri to Woodson and
Virginia Hex. His childhood was defined by

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Woodson's drinking and violent outbursts until
Virginia fled, leaving Jonah behind. At 13, Jonah

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traveled west with Woodson during the Gold Rush.
In need of safe passage, Woodson sold Jonah to an

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Apache tribe. Jonah lived as a slave until he saved
their chief from a Puma, at which point he was

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adopted as a member of the tribe. He learned Apache
methods of hunting and tracking, and he formed

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bonds with the chief's son, Notante, and a young
woman named White Fawn. At age 16, Jonah and

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Notante undertook a rite of passage to steal Kiowa
horses. During the raid, Notante betrayed Jonah,

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striking him unconscious and leaving him behind
to claim White Fawn for himself. Taken prisoner,

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Jonah survived a US cavalry assault on the Kiowa,
but was shot in the stomach when he tried to stop the

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soldiers from killing children. Left for dead, he
was rescued by an old trapper. When Jonah later

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attempted to return to the Apache, they had
relocated, forcing him to wander the frontier

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alone. As a young man, Jonah enlisted as a cavalry
scout for the US Army, then joined the Confederacy

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when the Civil War began, believing he was
defending his homeland. He rose to lieutenant in

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the 4th Calvary and fought alongside Jeb
Turnbull. After learning of the Emancipation

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Proclamation, Jonah could no longer justify the
cause and deserted to Fort Charlotte to

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surrender. He refused to reveal his unit's
position, but a Union aide identified it from the

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clay on Jonah's horse's hooves. The Confederates
were captured, and the Union commander staged a

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false escape tunnel so his starving men could kill
the fleeing prisoners. Most of Jonah's comrades,

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including Jeb, were slaughtered. Jonah
survived, killed the commander, and escaped.

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Labeled a traitor, Jonah was not allowed to return
to the Confederate lines. He returned to the

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Apache instead, seeking acceptance and
discovered that Notante had married White Fawn.

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Jonah accused him of betrayal, and the chief
ordered a trial by combat. Notante sabotaged

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Jonah's tomahawk, and Jonah resorted to a knife,
violating tribal law. He killed Notante, and it

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was branded across the right side of his face, the
mark of a demon, before being exiled. Years later,

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when Jonah returned to the Apache tribe to rescue a
White captive, he was captured Jonah broke free,

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killed the chief, and gunned down several
warriors before fleeing permanently. Jonah

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wandered the frontier until the day he shot a man
beating his wife in the street. The man was an

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outlaw named Lucas Mad Dog McGill, and the deputy
who arrived recognized the bounty on his head.

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Realizing he could earn a living, killing men like
McGill, Jonah became a bounty hunter. His first

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major hunt ended with rival manhunter Arby
Stoneham taking his query and guns. Years later,

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after Jonah had become widely feared, he found
Stoneham crippled and chose to leave the past

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behind. Jonah spent decades tracking outlaws,
foiling land schemes, clashing with corrupt

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lawmen, and at times working with the US Secret
Service, including disrupting an assassination

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attempt on President Grant. He tried to protect
peaceful tribes, but often arrived too late. His

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survival of gunfights, while wounded,
outnumbered, or temporarily blinded, cemented

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his reputation as one of the deadliest men alive.
Jonah's path occasionally crossed with larger

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forces. He was abducted by the Lord of Time as one of
the five warriors from forever, and turned

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against the Justice League and Justice Society
before breaking free and returning to his era. He

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later rode with Western legends like Bat-Lash,
Cinnamon, and Skellpunter when the league was

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thrown into the 19th century, and he fought Shadow
Demon during the crisis on Infinite Earth. Jonah

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tried repeatedly to abandon violence. He married
Mei Ling, who insisted he quit bounty hunting.

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After a fire destroyed their farm, Jonah secretly
resumed the work to pay debts, and Mei Ling left

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him. Their son Jason later sought Jonah out as an
adult, but the two failed to reconcile. Jonah

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formed an on-and-offigan partnership with
Tallulah Black, a scarred gunfighter avenging

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her murdered family. He also encountered bizarre
frontier threats, including zombies raised by a

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traveling surgeon, the subterranean autumn
brothers, cannibal clans, and corrupt Wild West

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show promoters. In 1875, Jonah was abducted in a
flash of light by Reinhold Borstyn, and taken to a

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post-apocalyptic 21st century Seattle. He
escaped Borstyn's lab, allied briefly with a Road

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Reapers biker gang, donned a radiation-proof
zone suit, and fought through mutants,

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00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:24,000
mercenaries, and alien-backed warlords. He
became entangled in Sven Tara's rebellion

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against the invading Exiggs. During his time in
the future, Jonah discovered his own taxidermied

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corpse in a carnival exhibit, confirming his
eventual return and death in his own era. Though

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the means are unknown, Jonah did return to the
past. By the early 20th century, he lived with a

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woman named Talbird. In 1904, George Barrow
murdered Jonah in a saloon, with Sheriff Hank

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Crawford shooting Barrow immediately. Showman
L.B. Farmham stole Jonah's body, stuffed it in

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gaudy clothes, and exhibited it until Talbird
reclaimed it. When the collector later attempted

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to seize the corpse, he was shot in the back by an
unseen figure, implied to be a time-traveling

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Jonah himself. In post-Flashpoint continuity,
Jonah's early life remained mostly unchanged.

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His Confederate service and the Fort Charlotte
massacre again left him wandering the West as a

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bounty hunter with a strict moral code. In the
1880s, he traveled to Gotham at the request of Dr.

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Armadeus Arkham to hunt the Gotham Butcher. Jonah
uncovered ties between the murderers and the

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religion of crime, drawing him into conflict with
corrupt officials, industrialists, and secret

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societies. He fought through ambushes, machine
gun traps, subterranean tunnels, and child labor

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rings beneath the city. He encountered the
ancestors of the Wayne family, remnants of

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ancient tribes, and early agents of the Courts of
Owls while dismantling the crime-bible network.

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Jonah resumed life on the trail with Tallulah
Black until an encounter with Booster Gold

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displaced him in the 21st century. Mistaking for
an unstable impersonator, he was committed to

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Arkham Asylum until Dr. Jeremiah Arkham
confirmed his identity. Jonah adapted quickly,

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assisting modern heroes against criminals,
monsters, and occult threats. He formed a

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relationship with a woman named Gina, and after a
drunk driving accident left him comatose,

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surgeons repaired his scarred face. Booster
eventually returned Jonah to the Old West, with

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Gina accompanying him, though she died crossing
the desert. Jonah also learned that an imposter

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with a similar scar had committed crimes using his
name. When Jonah killed him, he gave his name as

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George Barrow, in effect, faking his own death.
During the rise of the Dark Multiverse, Jonah was

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resurrected by a black lantern ring and fought
alongside Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman

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against the Batman who laughs. You can learn more
about in our Batman Who Laughs vs. Cosmic

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00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:04,980
Ghostwriter episode. When his undead body was
destroyed, Jonah's spirit was bound to a cursed

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firearm, later inherited by his descendant,
Ginny Hex, a member of Young Justice, which you can

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learn more about in our Young Justice vs. Young
Avengers team duel. The powers-wise, Jonah Hex

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has no superhuman abilities, but is one of the most
lethal marksmen of any era. He is a trained Apache

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warrior and hardened bounty hunter, capable of
drawing and firing with exceptional speed and

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accuracy, even when injured or impaired. He is an
expert tracker, able to follow faint signs across

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fast terrain, and he is a master with knives,
tomahawks, sabers, and is a brutal hand-to-hand

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combatant. That's Jonah Hex. Didn't he have
mystical powers in the movie, if I remember

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correctly? Yes, in the movie, he had a magic touch
that could bring people back to life until he

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touched them again. That's weird. Yeah,
unnecessary, I think. The character makes for a

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great Western cowboy without needing a
superpower. He's just a badass, and that's all you

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need a cowboy to be. Do you think he has enough going
for him to go up against Deathlock? He's gone up

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against worse, my friend. Yeah, there definitely
seemed like an era where he was taken out of the

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whole Western genre and put more into like a
post-apocalyptic pulp genre. Yeah, kind of like

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way. Let's speculate on how one of the 1000
simulated matches will go. The winner is

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determined by simulations, not the speculation,
but it's fun to imagine how the fight could play

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out. AJ9K, what are the rules of our speculation?
Well, I should say there are no rules, other than

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the characters have no prior knowledge of the
other going into the fight. All they are aware of

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starting out is that the other character is a
threat that needs to be eliminated. For the

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speculation, the contestants will begin
approximately 50 meters apart in a nondescript

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environment that will have no bearing on the match
itself, as no environmental statistics are

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considered in my simulations. The contestants
must earn victory on their own merit. All right,

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then let's get into it. Jonah Hex and Deathlock
meet on the battlefield. Who goes first? Don't

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answer that, actually. I already know. Jonah is
literally the fastest draw in the West. So as they

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square off, staring each other down, Jonah is
going to snap his gun forward, firing a shot that

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hits Deathlock, square between the eyes with his
Colt 45 revolver. Blam! Square between

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Deathlock's eyes is actually flesh, because the
cyborg part of his face doesn't extend directly in

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the middle, it's just on the left side of his face.
Good. But Deathlock's computer implant grants

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him enhanced reaction time. So no matter how quick
of a draw Jonah Hex is, Deathlock still has time to

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like somewhat at least turn his head so that the
bullet actually hits the left side of his face,

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which is metal. So bullet ricochets and Deathlock
is probably knocked to the ground from the impact.

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But from the ground, he's going to quickly pull out
his laser pistol and just shoot Jonah Hex through

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the chest. Oh, you mean where he wears his
bandolier of ammo? I guess Deathlock's shot also

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hits metal. I mean, I guess a laser pistol might
trigger a round or two to go off, but those bullets

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are just going to graze Jonah's chest and he's
going to shrug it off. So while Deathlock is still

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on the ground, Jonah is going to quick draw a second
revolver. And so he's dual wielding. He's going to

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fire 10 rounds right into Deathlock, killing him
in seconds. No, no, no, Deathlock, he's going to

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kick off the ground into a back hand spring while
his computer scanner is going to be tracking Jonah

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Hex's arm position. And that's going to allow
Deathlock to dodge the bullets. And like even the

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few that he wouldn't dodge, he'll just shoot out of
the air with his laser gun because he's that

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accurate at targeting. And as he dodges to one side
to avoid like the last of the bullets from the

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revolvers with his non shooting hand, Deathlock
grabs and flings his dagger with perfect aim right

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into Jonah Hex's good eye. Good eye. I'm pretty
sure both eyes are good, but doesn't he have a

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fucked up eye? Kind of. He can still shoot
perfectly with it, so it can't be that bad. It's

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just his eyelid that's missing. Oh, so he can't
blink. So he has dry eye. He works with it. He works

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with it somehow. I'm going to say lucky for him. By
my count, Jonah still had one round left in the

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chamber, and he's also accurate enough to shoot
the dagger off course. So once he does that without

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missing a beat, Jonah is going to charge at
Deathlock using speed loaders that he got from the

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future to reload his revolver as he runs toward
him, flicking the cylinders into place and

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cocking those hammers back. He's going to unload
on Deathlock again. Dude is a fucking one trick

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pony with his pistols. OK, Deathlock, he's going
to power slide to dodge the gunfire and he

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magnetically pulls his dagger back to him. And
while Deathlock is moving to dodge the gunfire,

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you know, using his enhanced reaction time to help
him, maybe he gets tagged once or twice by this new

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round of bullets. But that's fine because he can
tank a few rounds at least, no problem. And he's so

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reflexive and agile, he can even dodge at close
range. So he closes the distance between himself

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and Jonah Hex. And with his dagger, he just slices
off Jonah Hex's fingers on his right hand. Well,

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OK. Well, Jonah's probably very pissed off by
that. So he will pull out a tomahawk with his left

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hand and he's going to chop off Deathlock's arm
with it. Deathlock's arm is metal. The only thing

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that would happen would be like the tomahawk would
just wedge into his shoulder joint. OK, so you

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can't use it anymore. Gotcha. He's fine. But while
Deathlock is realizing that that's when Jonah

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quickly reaches under his trench coat to grab a
sawed off twin barreled shotgun that he keeps at

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the small of his back, he's going to fire it point
blank at Deathlock's face. Good luck dodging

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00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:39,700
that. Deathlock doesn't need to dodge that. He's
going to block the shot with his mechanical hand,

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which covers the barrels. So the bullets ricochet
and Jonah is going to catch some of that ricochet

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from his own shotgun shot. And then Deathlock
punches him hard enough to like send him flying

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like 20 yards back. What? And Jonah Hex drops the
shotgun, which Deathlock crushes in his hands.

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Dang it. OK. I'm going to say Jonah knows he's beat.
So he's going to raise his hands and surrender and

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slowly walk toward Deathlock, admitting defeat.
But just as Jonah gets within range, he's going to

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quickly scrape a match against the stubble on his
jawline and quickly light a small bundle of

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dynamite he had hidden in this pocket. And he's
going to hurl that thing right at Deathlock before

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just turning and running like hell, basically. So
Deathlock's going to blow up. Jonah Hex wins. And

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in the aftermath, we'll say Jonah sells Deathlock
cybernetic parts for scrap metal as a bounty. No,

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Jonah could try to kill Deathlock with dynamite.
But to do that, he would have to throw it with

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perfect timing, right? So that it would explode
right as it lands near Deathlock. Yeah. But in

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order to do that, he would have to like, you know,
hold onto the bundle for at least a second before

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throwing it. Therefore, Deathlock uses his laser
pistol to shoot the dynamite while Jonah Hex is

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holding onto it and it just explodes in his hands,
killing him. Yeah, it was it was a short fuse. OK,

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like Jonah didn't need to hold onto it for very long
at all. But he couldn't even throw the bundle that

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well, because he has buckshot in his gut from the
ricochet from before. No, no, paint does not

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affect Jonah or his aim. Like he's probably had
buckshot lodged in his body parts for years. He's

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like mostly made out of buckshot. He's like a
cyborg in himself, like a really shitty cyborg.

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We'll go ahead and leave the match there. OK,
either Jonah Hex manages to pull off exploding

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Deathlock with a bundle of dynamite or the
dynamite gets shot while Jonah Hex is holding onto

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it and he blows himself up. We'll see which of those
two scenarios happens when we input the character

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stats, run the thousand simulations and come back
with a winner. A.J .9K. Hit it. Inputting data,

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running calculations, processing results,
simulations complete. All right, I will say that

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neither of these guys are that impressive
statistically, like especially compared with

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other superheroes. Yeah, both of these guys are
kind of one trick ponies as well. Yeah, I mean,

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Deathlock has enhanced strength and durability,
but otherwise he just has like a little laser gun

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and a knife. He should have a better arsenal and
actually the Michael Collins version of

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Deathlock did. They were mostly tit for tat when it
came to the stats. We gave Jonah Hex the edge when it

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came to damage level because I've seen him use
dynamite before, essentially. But Deathlock

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came out ahead and a lot of the physical stats, like
you mentioned, as well as perception. Yeah, but

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there are even when it came to like range and
actually fighting, which surprised me, Jonah Hex

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is actually a better fighter than I guess I would
have thought he was, given his backstory. I guess

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that makes sense. They had similar intellect and
ebasin miss as well. Considering all of this,

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Jonathan, who's winning this match, who's your
money on and how much money? If I was a betting man, I

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would put 100 large on the table. 100 large. Is that
like a hundred thousand dollars or is that just a

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hundred dollars? No, no, I just mean a hundred
dollars. Even though the odds are against me,

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according to our Instagram poll, 59 percent of the
voters in that poll bet it in favor of Deathlock,

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essentially. Smart people. They look at a cowboy
and then they look at a zombie cyborg and they're

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like, yeah, I'm going with the zombie cyborg on
that one. And they know that the Jonah Hex movie

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sucks. So they know what they're doing. But let's
get the actual results. AG9K, the results,

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please. Here you are, sir. All right, the winner
between Jonah Hex and Joe Hex. Jonah Hex and

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Deathlock is Deathlock. Gosh dang it. The
demolisher he won out of a thousand matches, 658

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percent of the time, whereas Jonah Hex only won
34.2 percent of the time. In the end, it was

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Deathlock's enhanced strength and durability
that won him out. Jonah Hex just couldn't compete

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with that. So I was afraid Deathlock was going to
win. If he did, I did not think it was going to be by

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that much. He's essentially winning two thirds of
the time, which sucks because like what does

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Deathlock have going for him? He has a gun and a
knife. Jonah Hex has that and more. He has a cyborg

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body is what it comes down to. That's overrated. I
guess this means that Jonah Hex couldn't beat

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Robocop either. Shoot him in the mouth. It's not
that hard. My apologies to all of the Jonah Hex fans

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out there. This sucks. There are literally dozen
of you. Now, there's more than that. Great job,

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Marvel fans. Like I said, in an earlier episode
this month, we are going to take the month of

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November. We're coming back. We're going to close
this gap. I scoffed at the idea at the time, but I am

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concerned now as you should be, as you should be.
That does it for this duel, guys. AJ9K help close us

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in the Dynamite podcast network, including Max
Destruction, Senjo World and Console Combat. Our

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next episode is going to be another duel in which we
find out who doing in a fight between Vandal

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Savage, the immortal DC villain versus Sebastian
Shah, the not quite immortal, but long living and

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energy absorbing X-Men villain. Look forward to
that next week. But that does it for this episode.

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We want to give a big thanks to our executive
producers, John Sterosky, Zachary Hepburn,

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Dustin Belcombe, Nathaniel Wagner, Levi Yatan,
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Scott Camacho, Gil Camacho, Adam Spees, Dean
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Graves for helping make this podcast possible.
We'll talk to you guys next week up up and away. True

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believers. The amalgam version of these two
characters would be a cowboy zombie cyborg called

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Death Hex.