Justice League International vs West Coast Avengers

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This is a DynaMic Network Podcast. Hi, welcome to
the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly show where we

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review superhero films and debate the
superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing

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their characters and stat-based battle
simulations. I'm Johnny DC. And I'm his twin

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brother, Marvelous Joe. And in this episode, we
are taking a break from the reviews to do a team

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duel, this time a rematch between the Justice
League and Avengers, but more specifically, the

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Justice League International against the West
Coast Avengers. Yeah, there are different

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spin-off branches of the traditional Justice
League and Avengers teams. I got to say, Jonathan,

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this is my chance for sweet ass revenge against the
Justice League for what happened in our first

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initial team duel all those years ago. Yeah, that
was episode 100. That seems like forever ago. It

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was back in 2018, back when we were just kids. Oh,
what I wouldn't give to be seven years younger.

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Well, it's gonna be a fun match this episode. Look
forward to that later on. Before that, we're not

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going to break down the comic book movie news
because as per the norm for the past several weeks,

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there really isn't any like James Gunn has been
talking a lot about various DC projects, but

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nothing really concrete. Penguin did get
nominated for 24 Emmys, but that's not really news

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until I actually win something. We're all just
kind of waiting for Fantastic Four to come out and

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just lose horribly box office wise and critically
to Superman. Yeah, when Fantastic Four beats

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Superman's opening weekend, we could definitely
talk about that in the new section. That'll be fun.

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Yeah, or vice versa. Superman beats Fantastic
Four. It's not going to happen. You sack of shit.

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Roll up. Roll up, bro. I guess we'll find out later
on this week what happens. But as always, we list

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Thanks AJ9K and thanks to everyone who supports
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and the Diner Mike podcast network this week,
including the console combat podcast where hosts

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John and Dean simulate battles between popular
video game characters. In yesterday's episode,

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they determined who would win between Rayman and
Jake the dog from Adventure Time. Over on the Max

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Destruction podcast hosts Scotty and Gilly, Pay
Your Favor Action Heroes from film and television

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against each other. This week, they'll be finding
out who would win between Aaron Cross from The Born

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Legacy and Jack Reacher. And on the San Joe World
podcast hosts Zachary Hepburn speculates on

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fights between fan favorite anime and manga
characters. In his next episode, Zach's going to

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reveal who would win between Injun from Gaichi
Akura and Naito Mudano from Togon Anki. There's no

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way I'm pronouncing any of that right. Visit
dynamicpodcasts.com or click the link in our show

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notes to listen to all of the shows in the Diner Mike
podcast network. But with that out of the way,

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quick to the no prize. A no prize is an award that
Marvel used to give out to fans. Our version, the

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Dynamic Dual No Prize, is a digital award we post on
Instagram for the person that we feel gave the best

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answer to our question of the week. Last week, we
asked you guys, what do you want the sequel to the

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Superman movie to be about? And this is coming off
of the phenomenal box office opening weekend for

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the Superman movie, which will more than likely
warrant a sequel for the character. We got quite a

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few answers. We're going to break down this week's
honorable mentions before revealing the no prize

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winner. Our first honorable mention goes to
Travis Herndon, who said, What's up, dead, I'm a

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dude. Travis here. Shout out to my evil twin. So my
answer would be, be like, what if Superman is for

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the sequel actually meets Mongol? I think Mongol
would be a pretty cool villain to introduce in the

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sequel. He's a tank. This dude is powerful. And
this guy also be a nice little wedding of the

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appetite for DC fans for like whenever dark side
shows up, like, hey, this guy with rock and swoop

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man, shit, magic dark side rocking them. Yeah, I
love the idea of Superman going up against a

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formidable physical threat like Mongol, who
literally owns an entire planet that's

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essentially like a Death Star, but way cooler.
Yeah, war world. Yeah, we haven't seen Mongol on

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the silver screen yet. I'd love to see someone new
for Superman to fight. And Mongol is a great

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choice. And we know that he exists within this DC
universe because we saw his sister Mongal in the

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Suicide Squad movie that James Gunn also
directed. That is correct. But hopefully Mongol

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wouldn't go out like a punk ass like she did with the
helicopter. Right, right, right, right. Great

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answer. Travis, our next honorable mention goes
to Alex Albro, who said, Hey guys, given the

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message from Superman's parents, I think there's
still a lot left on the table for the media to begin

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Superman, especially if the antagonist of the
second movie is some sort of Kryptonian invader. I

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think you can get Kara involved there, depending
on how they handle it. You could even cause a rift

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between Superman and Lois based on his actions. I
think the second movie should end darker just

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since this first one was pretty upbeat and
positive. And I think we still benefit from seeing

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Superman in a vulnerable position. I think Lex
should stay in jail till the third movie or till

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maybe a Justice League team up where he comes back
with an injustice gang. Now, of course, we've seen

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Kryptonian threats go up against Superman in
films like Superman to Antiban of Steel,

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specifically with Zod and his crew. I think if you
weren't going to go that direction just to do

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something new, though, other Kryptonian threats
could include like Doomsday or maybe like an evil

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version of the eradicator. We've seen Doomsday as
well, but I think this would be an opportunity to do

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him even better than BVS did. That's right. Yeah,
we haven't seen him done right, at least. You know,

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you could do actually, there is a recent villain
called Rogel Zarr that was created by Jim Lee, who I

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think was a creation of Jor-El, and he was revealed
to actually be the one responsible for Krypton's

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destruction. That might be interesting. That
would be interesting. Great answer, Alex. Our

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final honorable mention goes to Brayden
Schaffer, who said. Brayden here, I think the

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perfect equal would have Zod being the villain. We
could see Superman fight an actual Kryptonian and

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not a clone. We could see Zod not get killed on
screen this time. And we could see how the public

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thinks of the rest of Krypton after, you know, the
whole news article. And I think it'd be great at the

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end of that to have a post-credits scene teasing
Doomsday for that final kind of tease of

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Superman's big fight. I mean, it is really hard to
do better than Zod. He's one of Superman's

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ultimate foes. I wouldn't hate a reimagining of
him. And like Brayden and Alex said, it would be a

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nice continuation of the story established in the
first Superman movie. Right. Continuing the

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whole Kryptonian angle where they're more
conquerors, almost like Viltramites or

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something like that. Great answer, Brayden. We
want to give a quick shout out to Lorenzo Valdez for

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taking the time to visit our website and record an
answer. But the winner of this week's No Price is

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Cornelius Robinson. Who said? Hey, guys, it's
Cornelius Robinson. And my idea for the next

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Superman sequel, we introduced the villain,
Brainiac, you know, it would be too soon, but who

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knows, it is new DC universe. A new character that
can also introduce as John Henry Irons, aka Steel,

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and a possible return for Supergirl to help combat
this unknown thread and expanding Superman's

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responsibility to Earth as well. I've been
waiting to see Brainiac on the silver screen for so

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long. He is sort of the ultimate Superman villain.
And I don't understand why we haven't seen him on

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screen yet. I think with Supergirl being
introduced in this universe, it also makes

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perfect sense that Brainiac would come,
considering he's the one who shrunk the city of

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Kandor, where Supergirl's parents lived. Yeah.
And since he's kind of a tech based villain, it'd be

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cool for Superman to team up with another tech
based hero in Steel and introduce him in that movie

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and actually get the whole Superman family going
up against Brainiac. I think that'd be cool. I

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don't know if I'm quite ready for Steel. I do like
the idea of him coming around with the other reign

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of the Superman Superman characters like
Superboy and the eradicator. But I could be wrong.

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Steel is a really cool character. So great answer,
Cornelius. You win this week's No Prize. If you're

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the listener want to shot at winning your own No
Prize. Stay tuned to later on in this episode, when

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we'll be asking another question of the week,
which is right now. So onto the question of the

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week. For those who have seen the Fantastic Four
first steps in its opening weekend, what did you

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think? And why was it inferior to Superman? If you
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But now let's go ahead and move on to the main events

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of this episode, where we pits against each other,
the teams of the Justice League International and

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the West Coast Avengers. OK, Justice League
International versus the West Coast Avengers. As

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we mentioned earlier, this is something of a
rematch for these two teams. Since the very first

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team duel that we did in episode 100 of this podcast
was the Justice League versus the Avengers. But

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those two teams have such broad rosters. We knew
eventually we would be able to get the best of the

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best and we'd have to circle back with some of these
extra characters in the aftershoots that these

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teams have had in the comics. Yeah, plus I just
really want to rematch. Yeah, I bet you do. And the

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West Coast Avengers are just the perfect team to do
it. I don't know much about Justice League

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International, but I know that they're not as good
as the West Coast Avengers, which is primarily

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composed of your standard Avengers. They just
moved over to the West Coast for a while, operating

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out of LA. Oh, they operate out of LA. Oh, yeah, the
Justice League International operates out of the

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world, the whole world. It's international, not
regulated to a single coast. Where is their

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headquarters? Actually, they have headquarters
all around the world as well. Oh, really? OK. Yeah.

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Why be based around the world when you could be
based in LA? Right? Right. No. No. Well, since

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these teams don't need too much setting up, let's
go ahead and get right into it. To explain the

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methodology behind our duels, let's go to our
sentient dual simulator, Alfred Jarvis 9000.

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AJ9K, tell our listeners how you go about
determining a winner in our team dual matchups.

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Yes, of course, sir. The way I determine a winner
between the two teams is by running 1000 Monte

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Carlo simulations between every character on
each team using their statistics. A Monte Carlo

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simulation is a probabilistic model used to
determine outcomes through random sampling. In

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this case, I randomize the statistics along a
normal distribution as a way to simulate the many

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variables that can occur during battle. The stat
parameters are based on the official Marvel power

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grid from which the DC characters' statistics are
extrapolated. Additional stat categories are

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included such as range, damage potential,
versatility and perception in order to create a

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more detailed and accurate simulation. The
results of the 49000 simulations provide a

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percentage of wins for each character on both
teams. The team with the higher average win rate is

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declared the victor as they have a higher
probability to win any given battle. In an

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equitable pairing, neither team should win 100%
of the matches. The comic book stories have shown

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that there's even a way for Batman to defeat
Superman, so the confidence rate of my method

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falls in line with the precedents that have been
established in the source material. My

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mathematical simulations are without
subjectivity or bias. Feats are not the sole

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consideration, nor are fan votes tabulated for
determination of the winner. Thanks, AJ9K.

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Before we run the simulations, though, we'd like
to break down each team's histories and rosters

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before improvising a scenario on how we imagine
one of the thousands of simulations would play out

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beat for beat. And I believe it's my turn to go
first. So let me break down the West Coast Avengers

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history. Most of the New York City based Avengers
vanished when a cosmic being called the beyonder

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whisked heroes and villains to a distant world to
watch them fight in a secret war. In their absence,

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acting Avengers Chairman Vision, fearing Earth
was underprotected, convinced the US National

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Security Council to approve a second Avengers
team roster on the Pacific Coast and chose Clint

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Barton, Hawkeye, to command it. You can learn more
about the primary Avengers team in the episode

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where we put them against the Justice League.
Hawkeye and his new wife, former shield agent

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Bobby Mockingbird Morris, bought a neglected
seaside estate near Los Angeles and recruited to

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the initial team the super strong Simon Williams,
AKA Wonder Man and Iron Man, who was actually Jim

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Rhodes wearing Tony Stark's armor at the time,
while Stark worked on recovering from his

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alcoholism. The giant sized scientist Bill
Foster, AKA Goliath, oversaw renovations that

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turned the coastal property into a new base called
the Avengers compound. Rounding out the debut

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roster was the feline heroine Greer Nelson, AKA
Tigra, a Chicago native who worked in a lab

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undergoing secret conditioning experiments
that boosted her strength, speed and senses. She

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was later transformed by a member of the Mystic Cat
people into the half human, half feline Tigra.

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After establishing a career as a vigilante, she
auditioned for the Avengers, accepting

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Hawkeye's call to help found the Pacific
Division. The West Coast Avengers first crime

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fighting mission came when the thief called the
blank, fled a robbery with tech that accidentally

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recalled the villain Graviton from exile.
Graviton tried to rip Los Angeles off its

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foundations until the team brought him down. The
West Coasters then flew east in a Quinn jet to help

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the original team stop the cosmic schemer
Maelstrom, proving the two branches could

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operate side by side. Hank Pym, the original
Ant-Man, moved into the Avengers compound as its

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resident scientist, while Wonder Man's brother,
the Grim Reaper, formed a new lethal legion with

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Ultron and other villains. The legion ambushed
the compound and took the hero's captive, but

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Mockingbird's surprise ambush distracted the
villains long enough for her teammates to break

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free. The Reaper seemingly died in the fight and
Ultron retreated. James Rhodes soon revealed his

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true identity in the Iron Man suit, after which the
recovered Tony Stark reclaimed to the armor and

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roadie became War Machine. Tigra's increasingly
feral behavior attracted Craven the Hunter, who

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stalked her across Hollywood backlots until the
Avengers drove him off. Soon afterward, the

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team's newest member, a devout New Mexican hero,
Firebird, was hunted by the demon called Master

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Pandemonium, intent on reclaiming shards of his
broken soul hidden within her. The Avengers

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tracked the villain to the hidden realm of the cat
people, where Tigra bargained to merge her split

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human and feline selves in return for
Pandemonium's death, a deal she later regretted.

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The villain Dominus next lured the team to New
Mexico and used Dr. Doom's time platform to hurl

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them backward through history. Mockingbird was
stranded in the 1800s, drugged by Phantom Rider,

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into believing she loved him. The rest of the team
landed in ancient Egypt and clashed with Pharaoh

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Rama Tut. The moon god Kahnchoo guided his modern
champion Moon Knight, Hank Pym and Firebird to

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mount a rescue. After months of jumping through
time, the Avengers reunited, and Mockingbird let

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her abuser fall to his death. Upon returning to the
present, the heroes defeated Dominus. A period of

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governmental tension followed. The mystique's
federal squad, the Freedom Force, arrested both

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Avengers branches on false trees and charges
devised by the Zodiac cartel. You can learn more

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about mystique in her duel against Madame Rouge.
Soon after, Washington forced the unstable super

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soldier, John Walker, aka US agent, onto the West
Coast roster as Field Leader. Hawkeye resigned in

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protests, Mockingbird followed, and the pair
mentored the quirky Great Lakes Avengers.

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Meanwhile, in the International Coalition
dismantled Vision for his past attempt to seize

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global computer networks. Hank Pym rebuilt him,
now chalk white and emotionless, because Wonder

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Man refused to lend his brain patterns a second
time. You can learn more about Vision in his duel

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against Marsha Manhunter. Vision's blank slate
worsened Scarlet Witch's grief after her twin

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sons, created by her magic, were reabsorbed into
the demon Mephisto. Manipulated by Magneto and

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Time Master Amortus, she attacked her teammates
until Agatha Harkness restored her mind. Roster

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Turnover continued as Spider Woman and the
electricity-powered Living Lightning joined

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the team. Stark, battling health issues, faked
his death and ceded the team lead to War Machine.

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Interstellar Conflict soon pulled the West Coast
roster back into space. When Kree soldiers used a

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Stargate near Earth to attack the rival Shiar
Empire, both Avengers teams split into three

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squads to keep the fight away from the sun. The West
Coast unit failed to stop Shiar Commandos from

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stealing the Kree Negabands and a bomb made from
that energy killed billions in Kree's space. Some

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members, led by Iron Man, executed the Kree
Supreme Intelligence for that genocide, a choice

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that offended others and left deep scars between
teammates. Back on Earth, the Avengers roster

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shifted again. Tigra, Hank Pym and the Wasp moved
to reserve status, letting US agent Spider Woman

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and Living Lightning step into full membership.
Hawkeye and War Machine rejoined and the teenager

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Darkhawk joined as a part-time player. Ultron
returned in adamantium form, infected Hawkeye,

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Tigra and Quicksilver with techno-organic
implants and unveiled Alkama, a murderous bride

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cloned from Mockingbird's mind. The Avengers
purged the implants and turned Ultron's own

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missile against him and Alkama, apparently
destroying them both. Hank Mann, backed by demons

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Satanish and Mephisto, formed another lethal
legion and struck the depleted West Coast

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Avengers. In the Infernal fight, Mockingbird
sacrificed herself to save Scarlet Witch and she

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died in Clint's arms. The Avengers compound lay in
ruins, membership had fallen and disputes were

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constant. Captain America convened an all-hands
vote and led by Stark, the majority closed the West

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Coast branch. Stark then formed a new team called
Forceworks with several West Coast alumni, but

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that group collapsed within a year and most
members drifted back to the main Avengers. The

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deserted Avengers compound later reopened as the
training campus for teenage heroes of Avengers

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Academy. California still lacked frontline
defenders, however, so Kate Bishop, the second

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Hawkeye, started a detective agency in Santa
Monica. When giant Landsharks rampaged along the

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pier, she called Clint for backup and assembled a
fresh West Coast Avengers lineup, including the

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dimension-hopping Miss America, the
energy-absorbing Fuse, the sarcastic telepath

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Kid Omega, and the reality-warping Gwen Pool, who
adopted a baby Landshark named Jeff. Mademask

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soon captured the rookies with her West Coast
Masters of Evil, but Kate's ex-boyfriend, Novar,

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aka Marvel Boy, helped them escape. The team then
received new headquarters in Venice Beach.

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During the dark Elf Lord Malekith's invasion of
Earth, Kate joined a babysitting squad guarding

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Thor's infant sister, Lhasa, while her teammates
fought Frost Giants in San Francisco. Afterward,

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Tony Stark and Rody organized a
rehabilitation-focused West Coast roster that

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included longtime ally Spider Woman and veteran
hero Firestar. Their opening mission dismantled

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a machine-based religious cult called the Gospel
of Ultrons, which was formed from the fragments of

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Ultron. And that's the West Coast Avengers
history. For the seven-person roster going into

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the team duel, I'll admit I was a little loose with
the official members. For starters, I did include

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several of the founding West Coast Avengers
members, including War Machine, Wonder Man, and

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Tigra. The Wasp was an early recruit to the team, so
I'm including her. Quicksilver was a later

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recruit, but I've been dying to squeeze him in a
team duel and passed over our last X-Factor duel

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just to have him here. For the final two spots, I'll
admit I'm going a little rogue and blurring the

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lines between what constitutes a West Coast
Avenger and a regular Avenger. Black Panther has

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never officially been part of the West Coast
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given that he's been a major player for the
Avengers over the years, I thought it best that I

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include him in one of these team duels. The same
goes for Hercules, who again has never been an

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official West Coast member, but is an Avenger
nevertheless, through and through. And frankly,

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a lot of the other prominent West Coast Avengers
members have already been in team duels like

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Hawkeye, Ant-Man, Scarlet Witch, and Vision were
with the main Avengers in their duel. Mockingbird

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was with the A-Force, Moon Knight was with the
Defenders, US Agent was just with the

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Thunderbolts. I could have gotten some reserve
members in here like Darkhawk or Firebird or

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Living Lightning, but I thought it was better to go
with Black Panther and Hercules. Because now I

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think you can say that most of the classic comic
Avengers have been in a team duel. So to reiterate,

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my West Coast Avengers team is War Machine, Wonder
Man, TIGRA, The Wasp, Quicksilver, Black Panther

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and Hercules. That may be most bored I've ever been
listening to one of your backstories. They don't

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have a great backstory. It's not very thematic and
it's burdened by a lot of roster changes,

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enclosures and things like that. At least the
roster is cool. I actually really like this

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roster, even though it's not entirely faithful.
It is a good cast of Avengers characters, I would

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say. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, largely you went
with these characters also because of the

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pairings with the JLI roster that you have in that
we like to keep things even between the teams by

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pairing each individual character with a
counterpart from the other side, but I'll let you

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get into the Justice League International roster
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Now, after the disbanding of the original Justice
League of America, a new United Nations backed

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initiative formed a global peacekeeping
superhero team under the banner of the Justice

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League. The league was reorganized with the
intention of operating internationally with

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multiple embassies and government oversight.
Spearheaded by UN liaison Maxwell Lord, the new

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team operated out of the embassies in New York
City, Moscow, Paris, London and Tokyo with their

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primary headquarters in the secret sanctuary, a
former hidden headquarters of the Justice League

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of America just outside of Happy Harbor, Rhode
Island. The initial roster consisted of a mix of

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veteran heroes and newer recruits. Blue Beetle,
Booster Gold, Guy Gardner, the Green Lantern,

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Martian Manhunter, Black Canary, Shazam, Dr.
Fate and Mr. Miracle, with Batman serving as a

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guiding presence. Over time, the team added more
international members, such as Fire from Brazil,

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Ice from Norway, Rocket Red from the Soviet Union
and the Crimson Fox from France. The group

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developed a reputation for balancing world
threatening commissions with interpersonal

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dysfunction and comedic tension, particularly
between characters like Guy Gardner and Booster

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Gold. The team battled numerous global threats,
including a new royal flush gang and the

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time-manipulating overmaster. They also
defended Earth from alien invasions and

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collaborated with other superhero groups around
the world. As the organization grew, it fractured

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into multiple branches. The main team continued
as Justice League International, while a

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European branch was founded later under the name
Justice League Europe, operating out of a Chateau

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in the Loré Valley of France. Justice League
Europe's roster eventually included elongated

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men, metamorpho, power girl and Captain Adam.
Though the league enjoyed official recognition,

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tensions arose with traditional US authorities
and internal conflicts began to weaken its unity.

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Maxwell Lord increasingly manipulated the
team's direction behind the scenes, using his

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influence and technology to control outcomes.
The team's operations took them across the globe,

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from Japan to Bialia, a fictional Middle Eastern
country where they were often entangled in

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political intrigue. In one mission, they stopped
the Queen Bee's attempt to create a mid-human

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army. Another one took them to Apocalypse, where
Mr. Despite their successes, the team was often

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mocked by the media as being more of a circus than a
serious force, a reputation not helped by the

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personalities of its more flamboyant members.
Booster Gold and Blue Beetle, in particular,

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developed a close friendship that became central
to the team's dynamic, often spearheading

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care-brained business ventures and stunts that
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Over time, leadership changed hands. Batman
eventually left due to ideological differences

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with Maxwell Lord. Captain Adam took a leadership
role for a time, while Martian Manhunter served as

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a stabilizing presence. The league continued
operating internationally, but fractures

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deepened when internal corruption was revealed.
Maxwell Lord was exposed for secretly

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manipulating events using a computer system
called Kilgore. After being shot, Lord was

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temporarily replaced by Oberon and later by other
UN appointees. The Justice League International

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eventually disbanded. Some of its members
continued on with a newly reformed Justice League

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of America, while others retired or pursued solo
missions. Years later, Maxwell Lord attempted to

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rebrand his public image and reassemble a
smaller, more relatable superhero team. He

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contacted several former members of the Justice
League International and convinced them to join a

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new low-profile operation known as the Super
Buddies. Operating out of a strip mall office in

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Queens, New York, the team included Blue Beetle,
Booster Gold, Fire, Elongated Man, his wife Sue

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Dibney, and Captain Adam, along with Maxwell Lord
and Oberon as support staff. Later additions

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included Mary Marvel and the magical chimpanzee
Detective Chimp. The Super Buddies focused on

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local threats and public engagement. Their
operations were less about world saving and more

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about improving their public image and
self-esteem. They tackled issues like hostage

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situations and metahuman disputes, but often
found themselves overwhelmed or outmatched.

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Despite the comedy and dysfunction that
surrounded the group, they genuinely tried to

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help their community. At one point, the team was
kidnapped to hell by demons posing as

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superheroes, forcing them to work together to
escape. In another incident, they were trapped

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inside of a magical sitcom reality. The Super
Buddies eventually disbanded after realizing

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they were not suited for full-time heroics. The
experience, however, deepened the bonds between

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many of the original Justice League
International members and offered closure to

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long-standing tensions within the group. After
the Super Buddies disbanded, several of its

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members returned to mainstream superhero
activity. Maxwell Lord, who had remained

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publicly dormant for years, resurfaced with
telepathic powers and a hidden agenda. Secretly

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working to eliminate superhumans, he considered
dangerous. Lord reactivated a Brother Eye

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satellite system and manipulated events to
incite distrust in metahuman. He covertly used

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his powers to control minds, including that of
Superman, who he turned against the League in a

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test of loyalty. Blue Beetle uncovered Maxwell's
plot, but was unable to stop him. When Blue Beetle

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refused to join Lord's cause, he executed him with
a gunshot to the head. This act set off the events of

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Infinite Crisis, during which Wonder Woman was
forced to kill Maxwell Lord to free Superman from

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his control. The Justice League International
era was definitively closed with Blue Beetle's

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death, and many of its surviving members were left
shaken and disillusioned. That is, until

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post-Flashpoint continuity, when the United
Nations again sanctioned a global superhero team

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after the public debut of the original Justice
League. This time the team was formed explicitly

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as a counterbalance to the independent nature of
the main League, with government oversight as a

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prerequisite. Maxwell Lord was replaced by UN
director Andre Briggs, who selected Booster Gold

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as the team's leader due to his public appeal and
historical record. Their new base of operations

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was the United Nations Hall of Justice, designed
as a diplomatic and operational headquarters

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rather than a superhero hideout. The new lineup
included Booster Gold, Guy Gardner, Fire Ice,

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Vixen, Gdiva, Red Rocket, and August General &
Iron. Batman joined the team as a representative

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of the original Justice League, assigned to
ensure that the new team would not jeopardize

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global security. While Booster was nominally in
charge, Batman frequently stepped in as a de facto

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leader during crises. Their first major mission
involved stopping the signalmen, giant alien

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constructs awakened by unknown forces. The
League worked to neutralize the signalmen's

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threat and discovered their connection to an
ancient interdimensional force. Their success

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led to an increase in public support, and the
United Nations promoted their visibility as a

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deterrent against metahuman threats. The League
soon faced internal strain as Gdiva and Booster

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clashed over leadership and media handling. The
Rocket Red's armor, erratic behavior, and the

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August General's authoritarian tactics caused
tension. Despite this, the team held together and

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responded to global emergencies including alien
incursions, terrorism, and environmental

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disasters. During a mission in the country,
Derain, the team was ambushed by a group of

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cybernetically enhanced assassins under the
employee of the villain Breakdown. Rocket Red was

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mortally wounded and several team members were
critically injured. Booster Gold was briefly

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presumed dead after sacrificing himself to stop a
bomb. This marked the effective end of the Justice

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League International. The UN officially
disbanded the group, setting its high casualty

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rate and public relations issues. Booster Gold
later appeared, displaced in time. This future

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self-involved an ecober effort to prevent
catastrophic events tied to the multiverse.

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While the Justice League International did not
officially reform, its surviving members

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continued to collaborate during global crises
and crossover events, often setting their shared

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past as a source of camaraderie and tactical
coordination. Now for the Justice League

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International's seven-member roster, I decided
to start with the iconic members of Booster Gold,

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the Blue Beetle Ted Cord, and the Green Lantern Guy
Gardner, as all three of them embody the often

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comedic vibe of this Justice League iteration.
I've also included Elogated Man, as he was a

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prominent member of both the Justice League
Europe and Super Buddies, and to include some true

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international flavor, I'm including the duo of
Fire and Ice, from Brazil and Norway, with Fire and

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Ice powers respectively. For my seventh and final
member, I decided to go with Shazam, who was not

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only an original member, but his sister
Mary-Marvel also had a presence on the Super

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Buddies team. So again, my roster is Booster Gold,
Blue Beetle, Green Lantern, Elogated Man, Fire,

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Ice, and Shazam. I gotta say your team's history
didn't seem that much better, with multiple

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iterations and closures and things like that.
Wow, rude. I will say that the Justice League

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International does seem to have a more distinct
personality that separates it from the primary

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Justice League. Yeah, it was definitely a much
more comedic tone than the primary Justice League

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team, which was much more serious. Well, I don't
think the JLI is going to have much to laugh at as

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they're getting their asses beat as we get into the
speculation here. I do want to state that the

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pairings that we've decided for this matchup are
Blue Beetle and Black Panther, Booster Gold and

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Wonder Man, Green Lantern and War Machine, Fire
and Tigra, Ice and Wasp, Elogated Man and

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Quicksilver and Shazam and Hercules, which are
pretty damn good pairings, I think. Yeah, I think

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Destruction, where TV and action heroes battle
every Wednesday. And Cendro World, where anime

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champions clash every Thursday. Join us as we
speculate on the matches and armed with the power

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of mathematical simulations, discover who will
emerge victorious. Visit dynamicpodcast.com

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where we settle the debate and settle the score.
Now that we got the team's histories and rosters

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out of the way, let's speculate on how one of the
thousands of simulated matches will go. The

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winners determined by simulations, not our
speculation, but it's fun to imagine how this

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fight could play out. AJ and I.K., what are the
rules of our speculation? Environmental

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statistics are considered in my simulations. The
teams must earn victory on their own merit.

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Alright then, let's get into it. The Justice
League International and the West Coast

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Avengers, me on the battlefield, who goes first?
I'm gonna say I go first. I finally get to kick

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things off with this Speedster character with
Quicksilver. And Quicksilver starts off by just

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running circles around the Justice League and he
creates this vortex that sucks all the year away

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from all of the Justice League members. And he
extinguishes fires, flames, and the Justice

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League just passes out. No, I'm gonna say that
before everyone passes out, ice is going to freeze

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the ground around them. Quicksilver to slip right
into a giant green hand raising the middle finger

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that was generated by Guy Gardner. And actually, a
bunch of giant green hands and fists are going to

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erupt beneath the Avengers, swatting and
slapping and punching them all across the

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environment. Somebody saw Superman. Yeah, I did.
Okay, so the Avengers are getting knocked around

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by these giant green hands, but suddenly I'm gonna
say Green Lantern gets a glowing green dagger

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blade right through his chest. Because Black
Panther used his agility to avoid the hand

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constructs, and then he chucked a green Vibranium
energy dagger at Green Lantern, and green means

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it's set to stun. So Guy Gardner's stunned, he
falls forward, lands right on his face, and he's

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passed out for the time being. And then War Machine
just starts unleashing his shoulder-mounted

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minigun at Blue Beetle and Booster Gold, just
targeting between the two of them and turning them

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into human Swiss cheese. Well, Booster Gold, you
know, he'll fire up his force field to protect

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himself. And Blue Beetle, he's just gonna start
doing backflips to dodge the gunfire. And he's

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gonna backflip onto a trapeze wire hanging below
his bug ship, which is gonna quickly retract up and

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pull him into the ship before it fires this
electrified net onto War Machine, and that's

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gonna pin him to the ground and just short-circuit
his suit. So while War Machine is busy dealing with

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that, Booster Gold is gonna turn his attention to
Wonder Man, and he's gonna blast him with an energy

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beam from his gauntlet. Who said you get the bug
ship during this fight? Me! I did! It's Blue

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Beetle! I got it in the proler match! No, that's
right, that's right. Okay, so Booster Gold shoots

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Wonder Man with an energy beam? Yes. I'm gonna say
before he gets that shot off, all of a sudden his arm

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gets knocked away, and he misses. And he's like,
what, what just happened? So he tries again with

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his other hand, and that gets knocked away too by
this small beam. Booster has no idea what's

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happening, but then all of a sudden he gets fucking
rocked in the jaw with an uppercut, and it's the

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wasp. And he didn't see her because she had shrunk
down, and she used her stink blasts to knock

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Booster's arms off his aim, and then she gave him a
miniature sized uppercut, but still packed with

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full-sized power. Oh, dank. Okay. Well,
meanwhile, Shuzam and Hercules, they're

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probably wrestling, and Shuzam is like, you're
Hercules? I have all of your powers! And then some.

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So with Hercules in a headlock, Shuzam's gonna
yell out his name, and he's gonna electrocute

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Hercules with Azusa's lightning. Except at the
last second, Hercules maneuvers out of the

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headlock, and he lifts Shuzam above his head just
as the lightning strike hits, which is gonna turn

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Shuzam back into Billy Batson. And like, he didn't
know this was gonna happen, he just thought he'd

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use Shuzam as a shield, but with Shuzam turned back
into a kid, Hercules is gonna spin the kid around,

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swinging him by his ankles, and then just let go.
Billy like a discus over the horizon. Well, after

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he threw Billy, I'm gonna say he didn't notice a
lightning strike in the distance where Billy was

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thrown, and as Shuzam is racing back toward the
battle, fire and ice, meanwhile, are going to be

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tag-teaming Tigra, just blasting her with both
waves of fire and freezing hail. Well, wouldn't

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the fire melt the hail, and then the melted hail
would put out the fire? No. So like, fire and ice are

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just cancelling their attack out, like a couple of
dumbasses, and Tigra is gonna leap high up into the

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air, like way out of their blasts, and she's gonna
land with a pounce right on top of fire, just

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slashing her face right off, and taking her out of
the match. Okay, here's the thing though, once

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Tigra landed on fire, fire's whole body flamed up
like the human torch, so Tigra essentially just

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sacrificed her body to eliminate fire, and with
her badly burned, it's gonna leave her wide open

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for ice to just freeze her solid for killing her
best friend. So Tigra's out now too. All right, but

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Wonder Man saw that, and he's pissed off by that, so
he just flicks ice in the head, and now ice is out of

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the match too. Wait, what? A flick? Yeah, Wonder
Man's like insanely strong, so like a flick from

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Wonder Man is like getting hit with a sledgehammer
to the dome, so yeah, ice is out. Okay, well while

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that happened, Elongated Man noticed
Quicksilver has, you know, recovered from the

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start of the match, and so he's going to flatten
himself out along the ground of the battlefield,

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and as Quicksilver is zipping around, once he runs
over Elongated Man, that's when his trap is going

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to spring, and he's folding his body around
Quicksilver just suffocating him. Elongated

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Man's not gonna be able to easily restrain
Quicksilver, because Quicksilver, he's gonna

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shake and vibrate to give himself some space
within Elongated Man's trap, kind of like a rubber

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ball in a balloon type situation, and when he has
enough space, Quicksilver's gonna spin like a

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cyclone with his arms out, and that's just like
putting Elongated Man in a blender. So Elongated

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Man gets knocked around and twisted, and
eventually he's gonna get flung away like a limp

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noodle, and just be on the ground reeling from
getting punched like a thousand times in like 10

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seconds. And while he's recovering, War Machine,
he reboots his armor from getting short circuited

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by Blue Beetle's net, and he's gonna cut his way out
of the net using a plasma cutter on his wrist, which

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kind of looks like a welding tool. But at that
point, War Machine's gonna shoot Blue Beetle's

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bug ship just right out of the air with a bunch of
missiles fired from his arm-mounted rocket

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launcher. So the bug ship gets hit, and it's gonna
crash to the ground and explode, which kills Blue

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Beetle who's inside. Oh no, because like the bug
ship would be alerting Blue Beetle that the

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missiles are coming, so Blue Beetle he'll eject
from the bug ship right before it gets hit by the

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missiles, and as he's parachuting back to the
battlefield, he's actually going to control and

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steer the crashing bug ship using controls and his
gloves into Black Panther, and that's gonna

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obliterate him. Okay, okay. But as Blue Beetle is
parachuting to the ground, all of a sudden this

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sword comes flying out of nowhere through the air
right at him, and it's the sword of Pellius, which

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is Hercules Sword, Hercules threw it, and it
severs Blue Beetle's parachute cords, and he

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falls to his death. Jeez. Okay, meanwhile Booster
Gold, he's too distracted to notice his friend

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Blue Beetle's death just now, because he's been
using his future tech goggles to try and find and

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track what hit him earlier, the wasp, and when he
finally pinpoints her buzzing around the

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battlefield, he's gonna trap her in a tractor
beam, pull her right into his fist, and that's

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where he's gonna crush her literally like a bug.
Well she could just grow to get out of his fist. No,

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no, because he uses his force field energy to
create tractor beams, so she can't grow out of

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that. Can't grow out of a force field? Right, it's
like a hard light energy bubble. Okay, uh, well War

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Machine, he's using his armor's flamethrowers to
just ignite elongated man, and now elongated

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man's out of this match. But no, it's not like
elongated man would just sit still long enough for

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flamethrowers to take him out. As War Machine is
trying to burn him to death, elongated man is

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dodging and flipping and that's when Shazam is
gonna zip over to War Machine and in a blur, he's

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gonna yank off all of his weapons and armor before
War Machine can really do anything about it. And

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with Rody standing there armorless, that's when
Shazam's gonna grab him and just eat him right into

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outer space. Jesus. Well, elongated man may be
able to dodge flamethrowers, sure, but he's not

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gonna dodge this sudden beam of ionic energy from
Wonder Man who shoots it out of his eyes. So

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elongated man gets two holes just punched through
his head and now he's out of the match for real this

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time. Okay, well you know who else is out of the
match? Quicksilver, because green lantern is

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gonna generate glue all over the environment
floor around Quicksilver and that's gonna slow

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him down long enough for green lantern to just
snatch him with a giant pair of chopper cable

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pliers and those are gonna be connected to a giant
green battery which just fries Quicksilver.

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Okay, but then, hey look Black Panther slashes his
way out of the rubble of the bug ship that crashed on

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him. What? I mean he has vibranium mesh suit, you
know, that would just absorb the impact and it's

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gonna like super charge him. So he slashes his way
out of the rubble and he has a reed on green

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lantern's energy signature from his first attack
against him. So he knows Green Lantern's

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weakness, he knows to target the ring from his
Kimoyo bead readout and while Guy is distracted,

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frying Quicksilver, Black Panther leaps over and
slashes off Green Lantern's ring with his claws

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and before Guy can even react, Black Panther
straight up unalives the guy with a kinetic

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powered explosive kick right to his ribs just
shattering them. Wait, Black Panther cut off

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Guy's finger? Yeah, that was actually a good move.
Sucky but good. Thanks. But Guy's ring is going to

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seek out a new ring bearer and it's gonna choose the
closest most worthy hero and I'm gonna say that's

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gonna be, who do I have left? Booster Gold and
Shazam? I'm gonna say it's Booster Gold. So I guess

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he's Booster Green now with the ring and so he's
gonna trap Wonder Man in this futuristic battery

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with cables attached to his suit and Booster Gold
is going to absorb Wonder Man's ionic energy form

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into his suit, powering it up so Wonder Man himself
is just dissipated and now charging up Booster

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Green. That's crazy. So I have Black Panther and
Hercules left and Black Panther's going up

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against Shazam which sounds kind of one-sided but
little does Shazam know that Black Panther has

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been recording this entire fight with his Kimoyo
beads. So Black Panther slides under Shazam and

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one of his beads acts like a speaker and it shouts
out in Billy's voice Shazam which is gonna call

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down the lightning and it transforms Shazam back
into Billy again and just when Billy is like aw man

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again that's when Black Panther nerve strikes the
kid to put him down. It's child abuse man. So you

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have Black Panther and Hercules left? Well my last
guy, Booster Green, he's now super charged with

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ionic energy and he's gonna have literally no
problem power boosting and converting his suit's

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internal time travel technology to easily snap
the two Marvel guys right out of the time stream.

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What? Boom two birds with one stone and the end of
this match. Can he do that? He can't transform his

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technology with his power ring. He literally just
did but that's lame. I'm gonna say instead all of a

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sudden Booster Green's ring turns purple. It
glows purple and cackles with this ionic energy

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and it shoots out a Wonder Man construct except
Booster can't control it because Wonder Man's

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immortal you know he can't be contained so he's
back like he usually comes back in the comics and in

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his ionic form he grabs Booster in this bear hug
just crushing his suit's batteries and Booster's

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spine. So Wonder Man's the only one left standing
and he also has this like cool purple lantern ring

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to boot. I'm sorry what the fuck just happened? I'm
saying that Wonder Man can't be trapped within

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this green lantern ring. Whatever apparently
Wonder Man is now a violet lantern of love weird.

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You know I think he'd go with that he's kind of a
pacifist anyway. I'm gonna say fuck that and he

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actually could be contained in Booster's suit
because it's from the future. You don't know what

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kind of technology it is. It could contain ionic
energy. Then why didn't it? I'm saying it did

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though. I guess we'll leave it there. Yeah let's
leave it there. We'll see a scenario happens

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either Booster Gold is able to contain Wonder
Man's ionic energy form within his power battery

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or Wonder Man can't be contained and snaps Booster
Gold into. Let's go ahead and input the team stats,

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run the simulations, and come back with a winner.
A.J .9K hit it. Inputting data, running

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calculations, processing results, simulations
complete. Oh this was a close one. This is pretty

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good. This is actually closer than the Justice
League versus Avengers duel that we did way back

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when. That one was a little bit lopsided in favor of
the Justice League but these guys were actually

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paired up pretty damn well. Yeah I mean I had the
highest win rate of around 85% but I also had the

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weakest character surprisingly who turned out to
be Ice. She won less than 20%. Yeah my guys weren't

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too far off of that like War Machine won about three
fourths of all of his matches and Tigro won just

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under one fourth of all her matches. But regarding
the teams as a whole I gotta say the Justice League

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International trounced the West Coast Avengers
when it came to the category of range. Like you have

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a lot of Blasty guys on your side with Booster Gold
and Green Lantern of course Fire and Ice, Shazam

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shoots lightning, Blue Beetle has his own
blaster, Long-Aided Mannequin stretch but like

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guys on my side like Hercules and Tigra, Wonder
Man, and Quicksilver they barely had any range.

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Yeah Wonder Man can shoot Ionic energy but it's
rare. It's super rare super rare. The best thing

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your team had going for it was actually strength.
Yeah I mean we have heavy hitters like Hercules,

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Wonder Man, War Machine, even Tigra can lift about
10 tons. She's like Spider-Man level strength

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whereas on your side you know elongated man's not
that strong neither are Fire and Ice neither is

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Blue Beetle so the West Coast Avengers were able to
lay the smack down in that regard. But were they

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able to lay the smack down overall or were they the
ones who in fact got the smacking? Who do you think

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came out on top? It's gonna be close but I'm rooting
for the Avengers because of course I am. Well I have

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to say Instagram disagrees with you by a lot. 75% of
our poll takers voted in favor of the Justice

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League International. Well that's
disappointing. That's life get used to it. It's

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full of disappointment for Marvel fans. Let's see
if they're right. AG9K the results please. Here

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you are sir. All right the winner in the team duel
between the Justice League International and the

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West Coast Avengers is the West Coast Avengers.
West side? That's right. West side is the best

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side. Out of all the simulated matches between the
teams the West Coast Avengers won 506 matches over

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the JLI's 494. They only won 12 more than the
Justice League? This is a coin toss then. If by coin

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toss you mean the Justice League got that shit
kicked out of them by the Avengers then yeah coin

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toss. If this was any other day you guys would have
lost. But not this day. Not this day. This is sweet

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justice for the Avengers. The West Coast branch
was able to redeem the Avengers brand. They're

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reclaiming the trophy from the Justice League and
we're just running victory laps all around the

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fucking Justice League. I cannot even fathom
these results. Like there's no way the Avengers

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would ever beat the Justice League. This is. I'm
sorry they just did by 12 whole matches. Like I feel

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like I'm in an alternate reality right now. It's
like what's going on? Well let's be frank you

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needed to be taken down off of your high horse
Jonathan after watching the Superman movie. Well

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it's fine I'll just get back up on it after I'm
gloating at the Fantastic Forest failure. Marvel

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all day every day Justice League sucks. You suck
personally and I want you to remember this

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feeling. Already forgotten. But that does it for
this team dual AJ9K help close us out. Thanks for

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listening to Dynamic Jewel. Visit the show's
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dynamicjewel and joining a tier that works for you
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podcasts, Spotify, Podchaser or on our website.
Don't send Joe world and console combat. In our

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next episode of course we will be reviewing the
latest MCU film to hit theaters the Fantastic Four

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first steps. Not looking forward to it. Not hyped
at all. I hope it bombs and it's already projected

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to open less than Superman which is freaking
awesome. No one can predict the future but that

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does it for this episode. We want to give a big
thanks to our team. Josh Liner, Mike Williams,

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Oscar Galvez and Paul Graves for helping make this
podcast possible. And we'll talk to you guys next

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week. Up up and away true believers.