Legion of Superheroes vs New Mutants

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Hi, welcome to the DynaMic Dual Podcast, a weekly show where we review superhero films and debate the superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing their characters in stat-based battle simulations. I'm Johnny DC. 

And I'm his twin brother, Marvelous Joe. And in this episode, we are doing another team duel, this time between the Legion of Superheroes and the New Mutants. Yeah, my guys have actually had a movie. Hey, my guys have had a movie? 

What? Yeah, it was animated. Oh, yeah, it was called the Legion of Superheroes starring Supergirl. That's right. And? Yeah, but it didn't have most of the Prime Legionaries, at least like, you know, not the main ones like Cosmic Boy and Saturn Girl and Lightning Lad. You know what the New Mutants movie did I have? What? 

An audience. You're not wrong. But I thought it was a pretty decent film. 

You could listen to our review of that. It's a great set of characters, the New Mutants, and a lot of them, as they've gone older, have like powered up from their original power limitations. So I think this is going to be a good match. Yeah, it's actually the same for the Legion of Superheroes. Both teams started off as teenagers, but they have had some growth in the comics, or at least Legion would have if they wouldn't keep rebooting themselves. Their background is very convoluted. 

But we'll get more to that later on in this episode. Before that, we're going to break down the comic book movie news from the past week, of which we have two news items. One is a report that was done by Variety talking about the current state of film franchises, including Marvel and DC. That was pretty interesting to read. And we also got another trailer for Marvel Zombies. 

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I don't know if I want to know the answer to that. On the Cinger World podcast, hosts Zachary Hepburn speculates on fights between fan favorite anime and manga characters. Next episode, Zach is reviewing the series to be hero X. 

Visit dynamicpodcasts.com or click the link in our show notes to listen to all the shows in the Dynamic podcast network. But with that out of the way, quick to the No Prize. A No Prize is an award that Marvel used to give out to fans. Our version, the Dynamic Dual No Prize, is a digital award we post on Instagram for the person that we feel gave the best answer to our question of the week. Last week, we asked you guys, who do you want the villain for Man of Tomorrow to be and why? 

And of course, this is coming off the news that the Superman movie is getting a sequel in 2027 titled Man of Tomorrow. We get quite a few answers. Let's go ahead and run down our honorable mentions as well as the No Prize winner. Our first honorable mention goes to Travis Herndon. Who said? 

Well, so the name of the dude Travis here, shout out to my able twin. So my pick would be Matalo. I think he'd be a nice, grounded villain for Superman's sequel. We've never seen him before in a live action movie. And you could have the story be that Lex created him and only for him to go overboard forcing Lex and Superman to have a very shaky alliance to take Matalo down. He's a very interesting bad-ass villain, and he can be a threat to both Lex and Superman. 

So James Gunn did confirm in an interview with Howard Stern last week that in the Man of Tomorrow film, Superman and Lex Luthor would be teaming up to stop a greater threat. And I could see that being Matalo, especially if you go the route that Travis mentioned, where Lex Luthor is responsible for his creation. But he kind of goes against his creator and now him and Superman have to team up to stop what he created. Yeah, it could be like the age of Ultron of the Superman franchise, right? And Matalo isn't that powerful, but he is to Superman because he has the kryptonite and he can be, you know, a formidable foe against a human like Lex Luthor. So yeah, I could see this and I like the idea of it. 

It's also cool because we haven't seen Matalo as a villain on the big screen yet. So why not? Great answer, Travis. Our next honorable mention goes to We Don't Know because they didn't submit their name. But, uh, yeah, let's give it a listen. 

Joe, John, Joe, how's it going, guys? Man of Tomorrow, I think, should have Brainiac as the villain. We've never really seen him in live action, at least not done, you know, not really in a proper way. And given that there's going to be multiple other superheroes, I think it's a great opportunity to bring in a bigger villain like that. I think it's too early for Darkseid. But I would also like to see Parasite or Matalo, someone who's not just going to be a big brute fight for Superman. 

Now, actually, Brainiac was the most common answer that we received. And he's honestly the villain that I have most wanted to see Superman face. On the big screen in like forever. Like, it still surprises me that we haven't seen him fight Brainiac yet in a movie. He's such a great villain. 

Yeah, and he definitely raises the stakes enough to warrant a Superman Lex Luthor team up. So good answer. Whoever you are, whoever answered, be sure, guys, to leave your name when you leave an answer, either in the field to the asks for your name or in the call itself. Our final honorable mention goes to Dylan DeWitt, who said, 

Hey, guys, Dylan DeWitt here, big fan of the show. Thanks for what you guys do. Right to the chase. Man of Tomorrow should have Brainiac as the villain. We haven't really had a big screen adaption of the character. And I think that if they're going to have multiple characters in Lex and Superman teaming up, then Brainiac would be the most obvious choice for that. I could also see Cyborg Superman or Parasite, somebody like that. 

Now, Dylan mentioned Brainiac, but he also mentioned Cyborg Superman, who, of course, is a villain that tied into Superman's death and the whole reign of the Superman saga in the comics that I am still waiting to see adapted in live action. I think that would be a fantastic film, probably not for Man of Tomorrow. Considering it seems like the premise of that is that Superman and Lex are timming up. But maybe for the film after that, we could explore characters like Steel, like the Eradicator, like Superboy and Cyborg Superman. What do you think about Parasite as an option? I think that could be a good one, especially if it's like a version of Parasite that grows big, like a Kaiju, like Godzilla or something like that, like how he did in Superman, Man of Tomorrow, the animated movie. 

And Lex and Superman teamed up to stop him in that film as well. That's true. Who knows? Maybe that's why the film is called Man of Tomorrow. Because it's this straight adaptation of the animated film. I hope not. 

I did not love that film. But great answer, Dylan. We want to give a quick shout out to Noah Terry and Lorenzo Valdes. But the winner of this week's No Prize is Alex Albro, who said, 

Hey guys, this chapter really is about gods and monsters. I think this film would be a good one to start to introduce villain like Perpetual and Barbados and people like that. You know, it could lead eventually to a crisis storyline if you wanted it to. 

But also, I think it could just get into the greater origin of the multiverse and make this DC a bit more whimsical and fantastical in previous iterations. May not be punk rock, but it could be metal. 

Is that an allusion to Dark Knight's Metal? Yes, of course, the characters of Perpetua and Barbados were introduced in the Dark Knight's Metal comics storyline, along with the introduction of the Dark Multiverse, which I feel like you can't really explain until you get into the multiverse. 

Perpetua is a character that definitely falls within the gods and monsters theme that James Gunn has set up for the kickoff of the DCU. But I do feel like it's a lot to get to. Like the Dark Multiverse is a deep cut, as cool as it is. I feel like you would need a lot of setup going into it. And James Gunn will just cover it through a bunch of text in the first minute of his movie. 

That's all the exposition you need. Honestly, I kind of believe it. Now, Alex gets the win because he gave an original answer, but also because he was bold enough to suggest something like Perpetua, the creator of the DC universe itself in the comics. 

Yeah, that would be a wild battle for sure. But congrats, Alex. You win this week's No Prize. 

If you, the listener, want a shot at winning your own No Prize, stay tuned to later on this episode when we'll be asking another question of the week. And now that that's done, on to the news. All right, this past week, Variety, a Hollywood news outlet, released a report that commented on Hollywood's biggest franchises and where they currently stand in comparison to the past 10 years. Marvel and DC were highlighted in this report, as well as other popular franchises like James Bond and Star Wars, the Jurassic Park movies, Mission Impossible, Hunger Games and Star Trek. It was interesting to see how specifically the MCU and the DC franchises currently compare to how they have in the 20 teens. They have a lot of infographics up on there, so I'm going to try to do my best to explain it, but overall, the state of Marvel is that while the Marvel franchise currently has the biggest share of market saturation out of all the franchises, just because of all the content that Disney is putting out there with Marvel. Marvel is actually slipping compared to the 20 teens in that their box offices are going down. However, fortunately, the report says that because Marvel's budgets are also going down, that the return on Marvel's films is staying relatively level. Yeah, they don't have to pay Robert Downey Jr. anymore. Oh, wait. 

Yeah. But the report comments that the Avengers movie is basically bulletproof. It's going to make a load of money, but they could also signal to moviegoers that they can afford to skip the in-between films and just stick around for the Avengers movies. Right. Especially this go around because it doesn't seem like there was too much setup for the Avengers, at least compared to the films in the last decade. 

Right. Now, whereas Marvel had more commercial potential, DC had more creative health, in surprise to no one. Of course, that has a lot to do with James Gunn, who jumped ship from Marvel to DC. And we're going to see just how much influence apparently James Gunn had on Marvel now that he's gone and is ramping up the DC universe on screen. His Superman movie did fantastic out the gate. Not only was it a critical success, but it was also a commercial success, at least domestically. But then again, DC is also making inroads in the global box office as well, according to this report. 

Yeah. When you compare the box office return of the Superman movie that came out this year to the past 10 years of DC films, yet DC's box office is up currently, as well as their return on budget, because Superman was made for a little bit less than what they were making the previous DC movies. So everything is looking great for DC right now. The state of the franchise is in good shape. And Marvel is looking a little bit shaky. But then again, we all know that the Avengers is going to make a billion dollars and Marvel is going to take back its crown at the movies. I feel like I heard that exact same thing when you were talking about Fantastic Four, which you owe me money, motherfucker. You don't know that yet. 

Fantastic Four has not exited theaters yet. So we'll talk then. We know. 

We know there's no way it's going to catch up. Anyway, on the topic of film franchises, that brings us to our question of the week. Besides Marvel and DC, what is your favorite film franchise of all time? 

And why? Record your answer at dynamicdool.com by clicking on the red microphone button in the bottom right hand corner of the screen, which will prompt you to leave us a voicemail. Your message could be up to 30 seconds long. And don't forget to leave your name in case we include you on the podcast. We'll pick our favorite answer and award that person a dynamic dual no prize that will post to Instagram. 

Be sure to answer before September 20th. In other Marvel news, we got the second trailer for the upcoming Marvel Zombies animated series. It's actually a mini series. 

It's only four episodes that's going to start streaming on September 24th. The last trailer we got was Off the Wall bonkers, insane and so damn cool with the soundtrack and everything like that. This second trailer takes things a little bit more epic and serious. A lot of the first episode looks like it's going to play out exactly like the World War Z movie where we see Shang-Chi and Katie in the streets of San Francisco fleeing from the zombie outbreak. And you have like a bunch of zombies like leaping off buildings and shit to try to eat people. 

It looks like absolute madness. And I'm totally here for it because they didn't really show too many of those scenes in the what if Marvel Zombies episode. You know, it was more of like a slow build, more of like a night of the living dead as opposed to a World War Z. And I really like the apocalyptic approach that World War Z took to the start of its zombie apocalypse. It does look like some of these zombies gain sentience and can talk, which of course is true to the Marvel Zombies comic book series where the zombies could reason and talk. And that's really what made them so dangerous. 

And eventually the Marvel Zombies ended up taking over the whole universe and spreading into the multiverse. Yeah, that's interesting. I like the way that this trailer kind of sets up a little bit of who the good guys are and who the bad guys are. We definitely know some of the good guys are going to probably be zombified, but it's going to be interesting to see which one survive. Yeah, it looks like an all out war between the last remaining survivors and the legions of undead that come after them, which is not a common approach in zombie films. 

You don't usually see like battle fronts of zombies against survivors. I think it's going to be pretty interesting, though. Really looking forward to seeing how this plays out. 

It's going to be a great time this Halloween season, which is quickly approaching us. And as we said last time, we won't be reviewing the miniseries, but we will definitely be discussing our thoughts on it in this show. But that does it for all of the news for this episode. So let's go ahead and move on to our main event, which is the team duel between DC's Legion of Superheroes from the 31st century and the new mutants from the 21st century. All right, Legion of Superheroes versus the new mutants, as we explained earlier, these are both super teams of young heroes who are kind of fulfilling a legacy. In regards to the Legion, who exist in the 31st century, it's the legacy of the superheroes of the 21st century. And for the new mutants, it's the legacy of the X-Men. Yeah, they have that theme in common, I guess, the same way that young justice and the young Avengers do. 

That was a previous duel episode that we did. But the new mutants are decades older than the young Avengers team. Same with the Legion of Superheroes. I think these teams first debuted like back in the 80s and 70s, if I'm not mistaken. It was actually the 1950s for the Legion. Whoa, OK, yeah, well, the new mutants were the 80s. I thought the Legion just went back to the 70s, but I was wrong. The 50s, that is an old team, and they've probably been rebooted once per decade since their inception. 

Too many times, way too many times. I try to make sense of it for my write up on their history. But yeah, they've gone through more reboots than the DC universe has for sure. Well, the future is always changing, right? So maybe that makes sense. 

I think that's how they justify it. Well, let's get into these teams' back stories. First, to explain the methodology behind our duels, let's go to our sentient duel simulator, Alfred Jarvis 9000, AJ9K tell our listeners how you go about determining a winner in our duel matchups. 

Yes, of course, sir. The way I determine a winner between the two teams is by running one thousand Monte Carlo simulations between every character on each team using their statistics. A Monte Carlo simulation is a probabilistic model used to determine outcomes through random sampling. In this case, I randomize the statistics along a normal distribution as a way to simulate the many variables that can occur during battle. The stat parameters are based on the official Marvel power grid from which the DC characters statistics are extrapolated. 

Additional stat categories are included such as range, damage potential, versatility and perception in order to create a more detailed and accurate simulation. The results of the 49,000 simulations provide a percentage of wins for each character on both teams. The team with the higher average win rate is declared the victor as they have a higher probability to win any given battle. In an equitable pairing, neither team should win 100% of the matches. The comic book stories have shown that there's even a way for Batman to defeat Superman, so the confidence rate of my method falls in line with the precedents that have been established in the source material. My mathematical simulations are without subjectivity or bias. Feats are not the sole consideration, nor are fan votes tabulated for determination of the winner. 

Thanks, AJ9K. Before we run the simulations, though, we'd like to break down each team's histories and rosters before improvising a scenario on how we imagine one of the thousands of simulations would play out beat for beat. And I believe it's my turn to go first with the Marvel team backstory. So let me tell you all about the new mutants. The new mutants were assembled when Professor Charles Xavier believed his X-Men had died battling the alien brood. You can learn more about the X-Men in our Titans vs. X-Men duel episode. 

Though despondent and unwilling to endanger more children, Xavier was persuaded by Dr. Moira MacTagger to train young mutants so they would not face threats alone. He first recruited John Coyman, aka Karma, a Vietnamese refugee who could possess others' minds. She was soon joined by Reigns and Claire, aka Wolfsbane, recruited from a mob in Scotland, and Danielle Moonstar, a Cheyenne girl with the ability to project illusions of people's fears and desires. 

From Brazil, they brought in Roberto D'Acasda, aka Sunspot, who could draw power from sunlight, while in Kentucky, they encountered Sam Guthrie, aka Cannonball, who could propel himself in an impenetrable shield. At Xavier's School for Gifted Youngsters, the new mutants trained in the use of their newfound abilities while adjusting to life as students and young heroes. They battled government agents from Project Wide awake in their sentinels and confronted Xavier himself after his infection by a brood embryo compelled him to manipulate the new mutants into becoming hosts. With the X-Men's return from space, both teams fought together to save Xavier, ultimately restoring his mind to a new body. The new mutants then continued their training alongside their X-Men mentors. You can learn more about Professor X and his duel against the Doom Patrol's chief. 

The new mutants faced personal and supernatural challenges. Karma went missing during a battle against Viper and Silver Samurai, leaving the others to press on under Moonstar's reluctant leadership. They encountered Cloak and Dagger, fought criminals in Brazil, and traveled to Nova Roma in the Amazon, where they met Amara Akila. After awakening her ability to control molten rock, she became Magma and joined the team. 

Around this time, Ileana Rasputin, aka Magic, the younger sister of Colossus, reappeared from the dimension of Limbo as a sorceress now armed with the Soul Sword. She also became a full member of the new mutants, now wielding dark magical powers in addition to her teleportation abilities. The new mutants' first rivalry emerged with the creation of the Helians, a separate mutant school trained by Emma Frost at the Massachusetts Academy. 

You can learn more about Emma Frost in our Poison Ivy vs. White Queen duel episode. During an attempt to rescue Kitty Pryde and Doug Ramsey, both of whom were captured by Emma Frost, the new mutants discovered Doug was a mutant with the ability to decipher any language. Taking the code name Cypher, he joined the team. Soon after, the techno-organic alien Warlock arrived on Earth, fleeing his father. Warlock was accepted into the team, bonding closely with Cypher, who was able to use his power to communicate with the alien. Together, the team's growing roster faced mystical menaces such as the Demon Bear, which hospitalized Moonstar until Magic slew it with her Soul Sword. 

They also fought and defeated the human-slash-alien villain known as Hybrid, alongside Rom the Space Knight. Karma eventually resurfaced after being possessed by the Shadow King, and the new mutants fought to free her from his control. Their lives became increasingly tied to supernatural realms when the Enchantress captured them in Asgard. Scattered across that realm, the members endured personal trials. Wolf's Pain fell for the Wolf Prince, Krimhari. Magma was enchanted by fairies. 

Cannonball labored among dwarves. Sunspot joined the Warriors 3, and Moonstar bonded with the steed, Brightwind, becoming a Valkyrie. Eventually reunited, the new mutants returned to Earth with lasting changes, particularly Moonstar's new role. 

You can learn more about the Enchantress and Asgard in our Enchantress vs Enchantress duel episode. When Xavier departed for space with Flaundra, the leader of the Shiar alien race, Magneto assumed leadership of the school. The new mutants were wary of being taught by their former enemy, but gradually gave him a chance. Magneto proved effective, even harsh, but tragedy struck when the beyonder erased and resurrected the team as emotionless slaves, leaving the students with deep trauma. Ammafrost exploited this despair by manipulating Magneto into sending them to her academy, where they underwent therapy and returned to Xavier's school more resilient. 

As tensions grew under Magneto's leadership, the team disobeyed him to investigate Birdbrain, an experimental creature tied to the villain Animator. In the battle that followed, Doug Ramsey, Cypher, was shot and killed while saving Wolf's Pain. His loss devastated the new mutants profoundly, with Warlock not understanding human death, actually trying to bring Cypher back by using his shapeshifting ability to animate his corpse. 

Ultimately, Cypher was buried and his friends said goodbye. Magics struggle with her demonic nature worsened as Limbo became corrupted by the demon Sim, culminating in her transformation into the Dark Child during a demonic invasion of New York. To end the crisis, she sacrificed herself by erasing her older self from existence, reverting to childhood and leaving the team without her. The new mutants' relationship with Magneto deteriorated further as he aligned with the Hellfire Club, a secretive and influential society of wealthy elites who manipulate political and economic power while secretly advancing their own mutant-dominated agenda. Seeking independence from Magneto, the students attempted to function without him. During the X-Men's apparent death and battle with the adversary, the new mutants drifted into darker paths. They were drawn toward the nation of Genosha, where Cameron Hodge, a mutant bigot and leader of an organization called the Right, was dedicated to exterminating mutants with advanced technology. In the conflict, Warlock was killed and his and Cypher's remnants were absorbed into one of Hodge's technological creations. 

When freed, the two were merged into one being, which called itself Duglock. Will Spain left the new mutants after being genetically altered by the Right, and Sunspot inherited his father's multinational company. With their ranks depleted, the team was reforged under the leadership of Cable, a time-traveling soldier who trained them for war. Alongside Boom Boom, Domino, Shatterstar, Warpath, and Feral, the new mutants evolved into X-Force, abandoning their old team identity. You can learn more about X-Force in their duel against the outsiders. Years later, the new mutants' concept returned at Xavier School. Danielle Moonstar recruited new students including Wind Dancer, Wither, Prodigy, Elixir, Wallflower, and Surge. 

Karma and Wolfsbane served as faculty. This second new mutant squad trained alongside their rival Helians, clashing during competitions and crises. Relationships among them grew complicated and following the elimination of most of the mutant population's powers by the Scarlet Witch, the squads were disbanded. Only a handful retained their powers, joining a single junior X-Men team. 

You can learn more about the Scarlet Witch in her duel against Zatana. The original new mutants eventually reunited as an independent team of X-Men. They faced the Hellfire Club's Black Queen, Selene, and her resurrected Legion of Undead Mutants. They defended the X-Men's San Franciscan base against Bastion's human council and dealt with Norman Osborn's regime. 

You can learn more about Bastion and Norman Osborn in their respective duels against Amazo and the Joker. Internal divisions reflected the greater schism within the X-Men, as Cannonball and Karma sided with Wolverine at the Jean Grey School in New York while the majority of the new mutants remained with Cyclops in San Francisco. They took on new members including Blink, X-Man, and Fawc villains such as Sugarman and the Elder Gods of Limbo. When the mutants established a nation on the Sentient Island of Cracow, the new mutants joined with the rest of their kind. Many of the new mutants who had previously perished such as Cipher and Warlock were revived using the island's resurrection protocols. Reunited, the new mutants lived on the Academos habitat, taking on roles as teachers and mentors. Sunspot and Moonstar recruited Magic, Karma, Wolfsbane, Cipher, Chamber, and Mondo for a mission to Shiar space to retrieve Cannonball. 

Their involvement led them to interstellar intrigue battling the Shiar. Back on Cracow, they guided students such as Armor, Glob Herman, Maxime, and Manon who dubbed themselves the Lost Club. Under Magic and Moonstar, the new team served as a training squad for younger mutants, a reminder of the legacy of Xavier's youngest heroes. 

And that's the new mutant's backstory. For the seven-member duel, I'll be starting with Mirage, Sunspot, and Magic, all of whom we've done duels with against Arrowette, Starfire, and Deadband respectively. Filling out the other four spots will be the new mutants members, Wolfsbane, who can transform into a large wolf with increased strength, speed, and healing factor, enhanced senses, and sharp fangs and claws. Next is Cannonball, who can surround himself with a propulsive thermochemical energy called a blast field that makes him indestructible while flying. He could also emit this energy from his body as shockwaves or directional blasts. Next is Magma, who can mentally control molten rock beneath the Earth's surface to create volcanic or seismic activity. 

She could also transform her body into lava and project molten rock and harden it to stone. My last member is Cypher, but merged with Warlock. Cypher has the ability to communicate and translate any language, including body language, which he can use to anticipate opponents' attacks. He could also shapeshift given Warlock's techno-organic nanophysiology and can also control and absorb technology and can convert organic tissue on contact into technology that he can then control. And that's my roster to reiterate its mirage, sunspot, magic, wolf spane, cannonball, magma, and Cypher merged with Warlock. Okay, so to clarify, Warlock is inside of Cypher? Yeah, due to Cypher's ability to communicate with Warlock, they are able to merge together to combine their powers essentially. 

It gives Cypher an actual offensive ability besides just, you know, translating languages. Traditionally, when they're merged, they've been called Douglock, but that was actually when Warlock was taking on Cypher's form. And Warlock didn't have any memory of who he was as an alien. But in the modern era, when Cypher was revived, the two kind of teamed up, where it's Cypher's body with Warlock's added powers. So I'm not calling the character Douglock, I'm just calling him Cypher. So what I'm hearing is that you're trying to cheat by introducing an eighth member by having one be inside of the other. 

No, what I'm trying to do is make Cypher, who was one of the early New Mutants characters, able to stand up to Brainiac Five, who is his counterpart on the Legion of Superheroes team. Gotcha. We'll get more to the counterparts once I reveal my roster. Before that, let me go over the Legion of Superheroes backstory. In the 30th century, a united interstellar government known as the United Planets was formed to preserve peace across the galaxy. During a political summit, three superpowered teenagers, Rock Crinn of Braal, Garth Rands of Winneth, and Irma Ardine of Titan thwarted an assassination attempt on industrialist RJ Brand, a vocal proponent of intergalactic cooperation. Inspired by the legendary superheroes of Earth's past, Brand encouraged the trio to form a team of young champions who would promote unity and defend the United Planets. Taking the codename's Cosmic Boy, Lightning Lad, and Saturn Girl, the three founded the Legion of Superheroes. The team's earliest missions were coordinated from a rocket-shaped clubhouse on Earth with strict membership requirements. 

Each hero had to possess one unique superpower. They quickly recruited other youths from across the galaxy, including Brainiac Five, Chameleon Boy, Triplicate Girl, Phantom Girl, Colossal Boy, and more. Through time travel, they saved Superboy in the 20th century and he joined the Legion as an honorary member, followed later by Supergirl and Monal of Daxam, a former sister planet of Krypton. 

You can learn more about Supergirl in our Supergirl vs Captain Marvel duel episode. As the team grew in reputation and size, they became official peacekeepers of the United Planets, operating with support from the science police. Their base of operations evolved into a technologically advanced headquarters in Metropolis and leadership responsibilities began rotating among members. Subteams emerged, including the Legion Espionage Squad and the Legion of Substitute Heroes. They faced enemies such as the Fatal Five, the Dark Circle, and the Sorcerer Mordru, and suffered tragedy with the death of founding member Lightning Lad and the sacrifice of... The Legion endured numerous galactic conflicts including the Earth War with the Coons and the Great Darkness Saga, which saw them battle the God-like Dark Side. Though they ultimately repelled his invasion, they lost many members doing so. 

In the aftermath, the Legion restructured internally, held elections for leadership, and began recruiting non-humanoid members such as Telus and Quistlet. After the crisis on Infinite Earths altered the time stream, the original history of Superboy was erased. It was revealed that the Superboy who had joined the Legion came from a pocket dimension created by the Time Trapper to preserve their continuity. After this Superboy died in battle, Manel was retconned into the role of the Legion's inspirational figure, and the team continued its mission. Following the Magic Wars, the United Planets descended into disarray. 

Earth was covertly conquered by the Dominators, prompting the disbandment of the Legion. Years later, Chameleon Boy secretly assembled a new, more pragmatic version of the team to resist. The clandestine operation confronted covert threats and political machinations, including a battle between the Sorcerers Mordru and Glorath over control of the time stream. During this period, a hidden chamber beneath the Time Institute was discovered, containing Batch SW6, teenage duplicates of the Legion who believed themselves to be the originals. These younger heroes formed their own version of the Legion, as the older team fought to prevent the collapse of their reality. The Legion's fate was sealed during the Zero Hour Crisis when the Time Trapper revealed that the SW6 Legionnaires were not clones, but younger versions pulled from a divergent timeline, as reality destabilized both the original Legion and their younger counterparts merged in an attempt to preserve the time stream, effectively ending their continuity. 

In a rebooted timeline, the Legion was reimagined once more. Still inspired by the trio's rescue of RJ Brand, this incarnation emphasized diplomacy and unity among worlds. The founding members, Livewire, Cosmic Boy, and Saturn Girl built a team that included updated versions of familiar faces like apparition, invisible kid, excess, and Andromeda. 

They earned the trust of the United Planets through key missions against white triangle Daxomite supremacists, the terrorist network Tangleweb, and corrupt political figures such as President Chu. After a devastating encounter with the alien collective known as the Blight, a spatial rift opened during a mission pulling half of the Legion into an unknown universe. Presumed dead by those who remained, the missing members found themselves trapped by a deranged god called the Progenitor, later revealed to be Element Lad, driven mad by isolation and unchecked power over centuries. 

Livewire ultimately gave his life to prevent the cosmic entity Omni-Phaegos from invading their home. The surviving Legionnaires eventually returned to their universe only to discover Earth in ruins, the Legion disbanded, and their reputation shattered. Undeterred, they reassembled and established a new orbital headquarters known as Legion World. From there, the team fought off invasions from Robotica, who sought to impose forced evolution through a process called hypertaxis, and defended the galaxy from threats like a mind-controlled warworld. 

Brainiac 5 ultimately defeated Robotica's leader, Computo, by allowing him to evolve beyond conquest. The Legion continued to grow, launching the Legion core and contending with threats like Universo and Ra-Sel Ghul, the latter of whom impersonated President Leland Macaulay in an effort to accelerate humanity's evolution. The team narrowly averted catastrophe when Darkseid attempted to merge with his younger self to dominate time itself, and later faced the fatal 500, an army of villains from across the universe. Following the Flashpoint event, Legion members Wildfire, Dawnstar, Tyrock, Timberwolf, Telus, Gates, and Chameleon Girl were stranded in the Nile 8 their own timeline. While working to contain the virus, they encountered the Black Razors and Martian Manhunter, who warned them they could never return home. You can learn more about Martian Manhunter in our Martian Manhunter vs. 

Vision episode. Meanwhile, in the 31st century, the rest of the Legion carried on until a devastating battle with the Fatal 5 forced the United Planets to disband the team. Scattered, many Legionnaires returned to their home worlds, some joining the Science Police, while others retired. 

A few, like Brainiac 5, continued their work in secret. The team reunited when a cosmic entity named Infinitus threatened the multiverse. Brainiac 5 resumed leadership, and the lost Legionnaires were reintegrated into the team. They were joined by Legionnaires from alternate timelines, including Xs and Gates from Earth 247. After defeating Infinitus, the Legion reestablished itself as an intergalactic, peacekeeping force aware of the multiverse. 

In a newly converged future, the Legion was born anew in the 31st century of Earth Prime. In this world, society had grown sterile and repressive, discouraging physical contact, individual thought, and free expression. Children were tracked, monitored, and trained to conform. Against this backdrop, a small group of teen heroes defied cultural norms and formed a new Legion of Superheroes, inspired by the long lost example of Superman. This new Legion expanded its mission beyond defense into cultural revolution. Thousands of young idealists rallied to their cause as Legionnaires, while the core team, featuring Cosmic Boy, Lightning Glad, Saturn Girl, Brainiac 5, Ultra Boy, Shadow Lasts, and Timberwolf, fought authoritarian governments like Terror of Ferma and subversive figures like Lemnos. Supergirl briefly joined them due to a temporal displacement, while Dreamgirl became a martyr whose cryptic visions had guided the team's broader purpose. After a brutal war with the Dominators, the Legion used a massive Phantom Zone projector to exile an entire planet in order to save the galaxy. 

When Cosmic Boy mysteriously vanished, Supergirl and later Lightning Glad stepped up to lead the Legion. The team endured internal rifts, external sabotage, and future-born invasions. Eventually, they discovered that the United Planets had been infiltrated by Rosal Ghul and his army of genetically engineered teleporters. Ros sought to trigger Max hypertaxis on Earth by using the Moon as a catalyst. 

The Legion and allies defeated him and restored the Moon to its rightful orbit. The most recent incarnation of the team formed when the Legion traveled back to the 21st century to recruit John Kent, Superman's son, into their ranks. This roster introduced new members like Gold Lantern, Dr. Fate, and Monster Boy, while reinventing similar characters with fresh origins and updated abilities. 

And that's their history so far. Now when choosing who would represent the Legion of Superheroes for this roster, I decided to start my 7-member roster with the team's 3 founders. Cosmic Boy, the team's magnetic field manipulator and founding leader who can control metal, produce force fields, and generate EMP blasts. 

Saturn Girl, a powerful telepath from Titan, able to read and influence minds. And Lightning Glad, who wields devastating electrical power. Other prominent members across the Legion's history on my team are Brainiac 5, the 12th level intellect who provides unparalleled strategy and advanced tech, primarily a force field generator. And Chameleon Boy, a shapeshifting master of infiltration, deception, and surprise attacks. To represent the diverse and sometimes outright bonkers Legionnaires that make the Legion unique amongst other DC teams, I decided to add Bouncing Boy to my roster who can inflate his rubberized body, allowing him to ricochet at high speeds and turning his body into a human wrecking ball. 

Finally, to represent the team's history with Superman and his family, I'm adding Supergirl, who of course possesses all of the powers of her cousin. All Legionnaires wear Legion Flight Rings, which grant them high speed flights, environmental protection, such as in space, and instant communication across fast distances. And that's the Legion. To reiterate, my team consists of Cosmic Boy, Saturn Girl, Lightning Glad, Brainiac 5, Chameleon Boy, Bouncing Boy, and Supergirl. Yeah, I like that team. 

I like its diverse roster. What is the deal with all of the Legionnaires' names either ending in Boy, Girl, Lad, or Lass? That was only really during the first wave of Legionnaires, I feel, because later on you get characters like Excess and Dramata. Should be called Excess Boy and Dramata Girl, I feel like. Otherwise it doesn't feel like a Legionnaire name. Is this why Livewire changed his name to Lightning Glad? Well, it was Lightning Glad, then it was Livewire, then I believe his sister took on the name Livewire, then he was back to being Lightning Glad and in another reboot, it's complicated. I think Brainiac 5 should change his name to Brainiac 5 Boy. 

I think you should change your name to Marvelous Boy. Wait, that's weird. So as we've mentioned earlier, whenever we're coming up with these team battles, we don't really know too much about the other team. So to make this as fair a battle as we can make it, we like to match up individual characters on each roster who have a comparable power level that we're aware of. Yeah, in this instance for this team duel, we're pairing up the characters of Supergirl and Magic, who are badass warrior types, Cosmic Boy and Sunspot, who wield spectral energies, Saturn Girl and Mirage, the resident psychics of the group, Bouncing Boy and Cannonball, who can launch themselves and slam into other characters, Chameleon Boy and Wolfsbane, who can transform their bodies, Brainiac 5 and Cipher, the resident tech smart guys, and Lightning Glad and Magma, who wield elemental energies. 

Notice that none of the members on my team have the words boy or lass or lad in them. No, but they would be so much cooler they did like Magic class, Sunspot boy, Mirage girl, heck yeah. 

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But now that we've got their histories and rosters out of the way, let's speculate on how one of the thousands of simulated matches will go. The winner is determined by simulations, not the speculation, but it's fun to imagine how a fight could play out. Ajin and Kei, what are the rules of our speculation? 

Well, I should say there are no rules, other than the teams have no prior knowledge of the other going into the fight. All they are aware of starting out is that the other side is a threat that needs to be eliminated. For the speculation, the groups will begin approximately 50 meters apart in a nondescript environment that will have no bearing on the match itself, as no environmental statistics are considered in my simulations. The teams must earn victory on their own merit. 

All right, then let's get into it. The Legion of Superheroes and the new mutants meet on the battlefield. Who goes first? I'm going to say that cannonball starts this off by blasting right into the air and then slamming down right in the middle of where the Legionnaires are. And he slams right on top of Cosmic Boy actually and scatters the rest of the team when he lands and creates this like massive shockwave. Not first field, cannonball slams right into a force field generated by Brainiac 5 who could extend his personal force field. He's just going to quickly envelop his team right from the get go when cannonball shoots into the sky. You know, Brainiac is going to be doing all of these instantaneous calculations determining his power and trajectory and stuff like that. 

So when cannonball bounces off of the force field, Brainiac, he's going to collapse his force field back to around him personally, and that's going to allow lightning glad to unleash this really intense lightning bolt at magic that's going to then arc to every other member of the new mutants electrocuting all of them. Now, because magic can just block the lightning bolt with her soul sword. And that's when she teleports over to the Legionnaires in the middle of the group. And then she does this magic spin slash kind of like link from the Legend of Zelda games. She's like, ah, and all the Legionnaires get blasted away from her from this magic slash, they get blasted away. Yeah, with magic energy. Okay. 

All right. So the Legionnaires, they all get blasted backward. But bouncing boy, he just bounces right back like literally slamming right into magic, bouncing off of her and then bouncing into Wolf's Spain. 

And the rest of the new mutants just like a pinball knocking their asses over. Okay. All right. So bouncing boy bounces everyone, except magma, who protects herself by erupting it like this geyser of lava from the ground right in front of her. And bouncing boy crashes into the geyser and like lifts him into the air like a fountain. And he just gets third degree burns all over his body and dies. Oh snap. 

Okay. Actually, Supergirl, she's going to use her freeze breath to ice over that geyser pretty quickly. So while bouncing boy probably looks like Freddy Krueger about now, his burns aren't fatal. And Supergirl, she's going to carry him to safety while Saturn girl, meanwhile, she's going to take mental control of magma and cause her to open a geyser beneath Sunspot. 

That's not going to do anything. Sunspot not only is he highly durable, like pretty much almost invulnerable, especially to heat, but like all the heat radiation from the magma would power him up actually. Like after a quick dip in this lava shooting out of the ground, Sunspot's going to fly out and blast a solar blast at cosmic boy and just fry cosmic boy like French fry. Except cosmic boy would block that blast by transforming these metallic bobbles that he has on his outfit into a large flat metal shield, which he's then going to push towards Sunspot and casing the metal around his head so you can't see or even breathe. 

That also doesn't matter to Sunspot because he doesn't need oxygen when he's in his solar mode because he's sustained by the photosynthesis. But if the metals covering his face, he will be blinded. So while he's dealing with that, I'm going to say meanwhile, Wolf's Bane in full on beast mode, like werewolf mode, she straight slashes off chameleon boy's antenna off of his head. So quickly he doesn't have time to react. Well chameleon boy will just form new ones, you know? Ah shit. And then he's going to transform into a eight foot Cthulhu type monster and his tentacles are going to stretch around and bind Wolf's Bane while his claws pierce into her abdomen, killing her. 

So she's out. No, because all of a sudden, he gets a neural arrow straight into his head area, which stuns him. And that arrow came from Mirage who fired it because she's always been protective of her friend Wolf's Bane. And chameleon boy stunned, which causes him to melt into a puddle. 

Okay. And Wolf's Bane escapes. And then Cypher rides over on this like techno organic motorcycle that Warlock transformed into. And he reaches down and transmutes the chameleon boy puddle into like these techno organic nanites that he just absorbs into himself. Interesting. 

Okay. I'm going to say before Cypher gets to chameleon boy though, lightning glad is going to intervene and he's going to destroy Warlock's motorcycle with a lightning blast that's going to send nanite pieces flying everywhere. And that's going to allow chameleon boy to slither away as a puddle and recover. Meanwhile, Saturn girl, she's taken mental control of cannonball and she's going to force him to plow straight into Wolf's Bane at full speed, just breaking her body completely. I don't know how Wolf's Bane would actually get out of that. So she's probably out of the match, but magic will create a portal to limbo that cannonball flies into and that will cut off Saturn girl's telepathic hold over him. And then he's going to fly back into the match through another one of magic's portals. And while that's happening, all of a sudden Wolf's Bane, who was thought dead on the ground, rises up and now she's like a zombie werewolf. 

Okay. And she runs over to Saturn girl and she's immune to Saturn girl's psychic probes. And she straight bites into Saturn girl's face and just like chomps down on her, swallowing her whole and digesting her. I'm sorry. What the fuck is going on here? It's an illusion that Saturn girl sees as a fear of hers, which is caused by Mirage, of course. So Mirage gets Saturn girl to see Wolf's Bane rise up from the dead and eat her. So Saturn girl's freaking the fuck out thinking she's being eaten. Of course she's not really, but as she's freaking out Mirage stabs a neural spear into Saturn girl's back, which is going to paralyze her mind and shut it down. So Saturn girl is now out of the match. 

No, dude, Saturn girl would not fall for a mental illusion like that. She's an insanely powerful telepath. Actually she would because Mirage's powers are empathic in nature, not telepathic. So it's like a sort of different psychic attack. And it totally works on telepaths because it manipulates their emotions, not necessarily their brain. 

Well, that's stupid. But whatever, sure, Saturn girl's out. Meanwhile, Super girl, she is probably chasing down cannonball since she can match his speed. And when she grabs him, she's going to steer both of them into the ground causing this deep impact crater. 

And with cannonball pinned in the ground unable to move, he stops blasting. And that's when Super girl sends a quick beam of heat vision right through his head, ending him and taking him out of She's going to turn into her magma form and she's going to melt the metal off of Sunspot's face that Cosmic Boy had put there. And Sunspot's then going to fly over to bouncing boy and just finish burning him alive. Like whatever magma started, he just finishes and then Sunspot kicks him like a charred soccer ball. And he kicks him so hard that like bouncing boy bounces to the other side of whatever country they're in. 

That's fucked up. Yeah, I guess that wasn't necessary, but I tried to get a soccer element in there with bouncing boy because Sunspot's really good at soccer. Anyway, Cypher at this point has transformed himself into a Nanite cloud using Warlock's power. And he swarms over to chameleon boy and like he avoids his whole motion sensor and tannethink by translating their movement and determining their function. So like he stealthily gets around chameleon boy and then reforms and stabs chameleon boy with an arm sword, which infects chameleon boy with a techno organic virus and converts him into technology. So chameleon boy is now a techno organic being under Cypher's control. And he commands chameleon boy to take the form of a missile that Cypher then loads into his new arm cannon and fires at lightning lad, just obliterating both chameleon boy and lightning lad for a twofer explosion. Now, except Cosmic Boy saw chameleon boy being infected by the tiny metal Nanites and Cosmic Boy he's generating this EMP blast that's going to shut down all of Cypher's Nanites, which just dropped to the floor like sand. So chameleon boy is gone, but so is Cypher and lightning lad, meanwhile he has Mirage in his grip and he's overloading her with electricity until she's fried. 

So she's out. Okay, Mirage is out, but Magma shoots a lava wave at lightning lad that hardens into stone on contact. So she encases lightning lad in obsidian and he's trapped inside the stone and he just suffocates to death. 

Okay, well guess what? You're done messed up because lightning lad was Cosmic Boy's friend. So now Cosmic Boy, he's going to pull down a meteor from space like the size of a fridge and it's going to slam right down on Magma, sending her Magma form just splattering everywhere. Yeah, that would work if Magma couldn't control rock. She's just gonna break this meteor apart before it even touches her. No, you said she controls like earth rock, not space rock. 

Like this meteor is like an alien Xenomineral. Okay. All right. 

You may have got me there. Okay, so Magma's out then. She gets crushed by this meteor, right? 

But then all of a sudden, magic drops from a portal above Cosmic Boy. She lands on him and she stunts him with her soul sword and then she snaps his neck with her Eldritch armor arm. Oh, you mean her metal arm? No, no, no, it's Eldritch armors, magic. It's not metal. Like some artists may render it metal, but like sometimes they also render it just black, like black demon armor. Like her soul sword is made out of her soul, even though some artists draw like metal and some make her sword look more like a lightsaber, right? But either way, none of its metal, even if it looked like it and Cosmic Boy tried to manipulate it, he wouldn't be able to. It's magic and he'll still be out of this match. 

Well, that's dumb. So I have Supergirl and I have Brainiac Five left and you have magic and Sunspot. So with so few people left, I'm gonna say Sunspot blasts Supergirl with solar energy, like what? 

An idiot? And her Kryptonian cells are just gonna absorb the attack. And when Sunspot is like, oh, that's when Supergirl is gonna snatch him, drain him of the rest of his solar energy and just hurl his ass right up into outer space powerless. 

Oh, damn. Would he do that? What else is he gonna do? Sure, I guess he wouldn't know that Supergirl absorbs solar energy. 

That's on him, I guess. So now I just have magic left and you have Brainiac and Supergirl. So magic's gonna take this fight to limbo, okay? Because there she's the sorceress supreme. She's the ruler. So she creates teleportation portals and just sends everyone to limbo. And while there, this big King Ghidorah Hydra looking demon just burns Supergirl alive with Hellfire. And I don't care how powered up Supergirl is, she's vulnerable to magic like the rest of the super family. 

So Supergirl's out. And now it's just magic and Brainiac. And magic telekinetically pulls off Brainiac's Legionnaire flight ring so that he can't fly. And then she sets up two portals suspended in midair that cause Brainiac 5 to just fall forever for all eternity in a portal loop in limbo. And that is how the new mutants win this match. 

Okay, that was a good move. But I'm gonna say while Brainiac is falling in this portal loop, he's going to unleash a Nanite grenade that he built from repurposed warlock Nanites. And when these Nanites explode, they infect the demons in limbo, converting them into tech under Brainiac's control. So Brainiac causes limbo's demons to turn on magic and devour her, ending that endless portal loop. 

So the Legion ends up winning actually. How did Brainiac repurpose these warlock Nanites if they were rendered inert by cosmic boys EMP? Oh, he just rebooted them and re-energized them using his own tech. I don't know what a techno organic infested demon would look like, but I think magic would be able to purge the virus using her magic. Cause magic trumps tech. Now you would think that, but you would be wrong because tech in fact trumps magic. And I think Iron Man would agree with me. Well, I think Dr. Strange would agree with me. 

Well, let's go ahead and leave the match there. Either magic beats tech and she's able to purge the demons of the techno organic virus and defeat Brainiac, or tech beats magic and the infected demons eat magic. That is correct. But either way, I don't know how Brainiac 5 is getting out of this infinite portal loop. Well, once magic is dead, it just ceases to exist. 

And you know, he'll find his way out of limbo eventually, or he'll just freaking take over the whole dimension. Alright, well, let's go ahead and leave the match there. We'll enter the stats and see what end scenario happens when we run the simulations. AG9K, hit it. 

Inputting data, running calculations, processing results, simulations complete. 

This was a fun match. Both teams are awesome. And they're pretty similar in that Legionnaires are kind of like mutants in a way, and that a lot of them really only have one power. I mean, except for Supergirl, but for the others, that was definitely reflected in the stats. Yeah, Supergirl was the most powerful member out of either team. 

But just barely more than magic. Yeah, the weakest member out of either team was Wolfsbane, which sucks, because I really like the character of Reince and Claire. But statistically, she wasn't all that great. You know, she's fast and can fuck you up with her claws and fangs. But the fact that, you know, she goes into her wool form, that she's not very versatile or anything like that, she just didn't hold up. Your weakest guy, though, was Bouncing Boy. Yeah, not surprising. Definitely did not hold his own against Cannonball. 

His counterpart, as it were, he basically got obliterated by him in the stats. You know what sucks, though, is that all of the Legionnaires have their flight ring, which grants them like interstellar flight speed. So the Legionnaires just wiped the floor with new mutants when it came to the speed stat. That was the greatest disparity between the two teams, was that the Legionnaires were much faster overall because of their rings. Yeah, and the biggest advantage that the new mutants had was that they were much more durable. 

Some of my guys have force fields and stuff like that, but without those, they just didn't have the physicality that your guys did. Yeah, I mean, like Supergirl's invulnerable, but so is Cannonball when he's blasting, Sunspots highly durable, and so is Cipher when he's merged with Warlock. Most of the new mutants team did pretty well. Like Magic won about three fourths of all of her matches against the Legionnaires, Cannonball won about half, and then you have Wolfsbane who only won 14% of her matches in total. Supergirl was definitely my highest winner, also winning about three fourths of her matches. 

My next most successful character was actually Cosmic Boy, and no surprise, Bouncing Boy lost a majority of his matches. So Jonathan, who do you think is winning this one, and why is it the new mutants? Uh, why is it not the new mutants? Because I'm voting for the Legion 100%, and I'm not the only one who did. 

According to our Instagram poll, 67% of those who voted voted in favor of the Legion, even though the new mutants had a movie. That's terrible. What does that make a difference? I'm just saying popularity wise, you think people would have gone for the new mutants, but people are smart. You know, they know how powerful the Legion is. Well, let's see if they're right. AJ9K, the results please. All right, the winner in the team duel matchup between the Legion of Superheroes and the new mutants is... the Legion of Superheroes. I'm sorry, what was that? Legion of Superheroes one. I can't understand you. One more time. I said the punk ass Legion of Superheroes. 

Who are they? Out of the thousands of simulated matches between the two teams, the Legion of Superheroes won 51.7% of the time, whereas the new mutants only won 48.3% of the time. That is close. I thought the Legion was going to stop much more than that. Like I figured the Legion was going to win this because the Legion is just powerful. 

I'm legitimately surprised how much of a good fight the new mutants put up. I'm not. I thought they were going to win because you're dumb. But the fact that they barely lost is something to be proud of. I think I would have preferred that they won. You know, if the Legionnaires didn't have their flight rings, I think the new mutants would have actually taken this. Well, too bad for you. 

They do. So better luck next time. I'm not going to need luck for our next matchup. I got skills. You got Skittles and that's it. I also have Skittles. What of it? Well, that does it for this duel. AJ9K helped close us out. 

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In our next matchup, where Joseph thinks he will need no luck, but will in fact need all the luck in the world, we will pit Bizarro versus Abomination, the evil counterparts to Superman and the Hulk respectively. That'll be a good one. I'm really looking forward to that one. 

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