Neron vs Hela

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This is a DynaMic Network Podcast. Hi and welcome
to the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly show where we

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review superhero films and debate the
superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing

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their characters in stat-based battle
simulations. I'm Marvelous Joe and I'm his twin

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brother Johnny DC. And in this episode we're going
to find out who would win in a fight between the two

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lords of the underworld, Neron from DC and Hela
from Marvel. Now listeners are probably familiar

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with both of these characters. Hela was the main
antagonist in Dora Gnarok and Neron was a freaking

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horrifying character in the Arrowverse. Oh I
didn't even know that he was in that show. Yeah

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don't Google it, he looks freaking gross. I'm
googling it right now, Neron Arrowverse. What the

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fuck is that? Exactly. I regret googling that, you
should have warned me. I literally did. He doesn't

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look anything like the comic book character. No.
It's one of those weird Arrowverse adaptations.

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Okay. Yeah basically it's a demon from hell versus
the Norse god of death. My money's on the Norse god

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of death. Everybody knows that hell with two L's is
superior to hell with one. Before we get into that

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matchup guys we're going to break down the latest
comic book movie news to come out from this past

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week, uh which there was none. Likely because
we're just coming off of New York Comic when the

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studios gave their latest updates on all the
existing projects. So we'll have to wait a few more

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weeks for more news. As always though we list our
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free to check out the show notes if you want to skip
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be sure to tune into the other shows in the Diner
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console combat podcast where hosts John and Dean
simulate battles between popular video game

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characters. In yesterday's episode they
reviewed the film Silent Hill. Over on the Max

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Destruction podcast hosts Scotty and Gilly paint
your favorite action heroes from film and

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television against each other. On Wednesday
they're going to find out who would win between

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Wesley Snipes blade and Vlad from Dracula Untold.
And on the Central World podcast hosts Zachary

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Hepburn speculates on fights between fan
favorite anime and manga characters. In his

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latest episode Zach revealed who would win
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in the Diner Mike podcast network. But with that
out of the way quick to the no prize. A no prize is an

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award that Marvel used to give out to fans. Our
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award that we post on Instagram for the person that
we feel gave the best answer to the question of the

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week. Last week we asked you guys regarding the
Wonder Man and Bat Fam trailers both of which were

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released during New York Comic Con. What the fuck
did I just watch wrong answers only. And we got no

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answers for the first time in the history of this
podcast. I think no one called in with their

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answer. I blame Jonathan entirely for that. I
thought it was a good question. I did think it would

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be hard for people because it kind of requires some
creative thinking. Basically the prompt was to

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rename the shows based off of your impressions of
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I've always wanted to win a no prize. I've never
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good. My answers for last week's question of the
week would have been for Wonder Man I would have

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retitled it the Studio Season 2. And for Bat Fam I
would have retitled it Gotham Knights Season 2

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because it stars a cast of characters that no one
gives a shit about. Given that we all thought it was

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going to be a show about the Bat Family as we know it
you know with Nightwing and Red Hood and Batgirl

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and things like that. And instead we're getting a
Bat Fam show with like the ghost of Ross Hallgool,

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Man Bat and a bunch of characters whose names I
can't remember. Yeah just like that CW show that

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lasted one season Gotham Knights featuring
characters that no one knew and no one cared about.

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That was a good pick. I also liked the Studio Season
2 because that was just a fun show and I definitely

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understand like that same behind-the-scenes
approach to Hollywood vibe that you're going for.

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What would your answers have been? Well for Wonder
Man I would have I think that show is essentially

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Bat Bluey because it looks like it's for
preschoolers and also I think if it was called Bat

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Bluey people would actually watch it. That seems
pretty harsh considering do you liked the Merry

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Little Batman film? Well I did like it. I also
acknowledged that that was for a younger

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demographic so I mean that's not really an insult.
I do want to make it clear to listeners that for as

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much as we are questioning the initial trailers
for both of these series and maybe even that's not

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to say that they're not going to be good. We may end
up enjoying them once we watch them. In fact I'm

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pretty sure that's going to be the case especially
for Wonder Man. Bat Fam I'm not so sure. I was going

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to say the reverse. I'll probably enjoy Bat Fam
with my children but Blunderman and Blah Blah Land

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I don't even know if I'm going to tune in for that.
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the fuck were you guys last week? Wrong answers
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to Instagram. Be sure to answer before October
25th. But let's go ahead and get into the main event

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of this episode where we find out who would win in a
fight between the Lord of Hell, Neron and the Queen

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of Hell, Hela. Alright Neron versus Hela. Now this
episode is actually an executive producer

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special request from Brandon Estregard. He
wanted to find out who'd win in a fight between

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these two characters and it was a great request for
the Halloween season considering that Neron is a

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demon or devil from hell. I don't actually know too
much about the character. He's a demon. A demon?

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Okay so he's not like a mafisto? Um. Or I guess
mafisto is a demon. Technically he's a hell lord.

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Neron's a hell lord. Okay Hela is also a hell lord.
She's considered one despite the fact that her

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domain of the underworld only pertains to
escardians and even then it only pertains to

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escardians who have not died in battle because
escardians who do die in battle go to Valhalla. So

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it's not a place of torment. It's just no
underworld. No it's not like a realm of fire and

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torture and suffering. It's just where
escardians go when they die. Okay that's lame. Not

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nearly as metal as Neron. I am interested in
learning how powerful Neron is and how that

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compares to Hela so let's go ahead and get into the
backstories. First to explain the methodology

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behind our duels let's go to our sentient dual
simulator Alfred Jarvis 9000. AJ9K tell our

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listeners how you go about determining a winner in
our dual matchups. Yes of course sir. The way I

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determine a winner between the contestants is by
running 1000 Monte Carlo simulations using the

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character's statistics. A Monte Carlo
simulation is a probabilistic model used to

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determine outcomes through random sampling. In
this case I randomize the statistics along a

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normal distribution as a way to simulate the many
variables that can occur during battle. The stat

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parameters are based on the official marvel power
grid from which the DC characters statistics are

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extrapolated. Additional stat categories are
included such as range, damage potential,

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versatility and perception in order to create a
more detailed and accurate simulation. The

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results of the 1000 simulations provide a
percentage of wins for each character. The

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contestant with the higher percentage is
declared the victor as they have a higher

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probability to win any given battle. In an
equitable pairing neither character should win

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100% of the matches. The comic book stories have
shown that there's even a way for Batman to defeat

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Superman so the confidence rate of my method falls
in line with the precedents that have been

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established in the source material. My
mathematical simulations are without

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subjectivity or bias. Feats are not the sole
consideration nor are fan votes tabulated for

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determination of the winner. Thanks AJ9K. Before
we run the simulations though we like to break down

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each character's histories and abilities before
improvising a scenario on how we imagine one of the

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1000 simulations would play out B for beat. And
it's my turn to go first with the DC characters

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backstory so let me tell you all about Nier on. In
the infernal depths of hell Nier on was once a

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lesser demon whose cunning and ambition set him
apart from his kin. Through deception and mastery

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of infernal law he rose within the demonic
hierarchy, binding both fiends and mortals to his

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will through perfectly worded bargains. Over
countless centuries he became renowned for

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crafting covenants that damned their signers
while strengthening his own dominion. To extend

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his reach to the mortal realm he crafted black
candles that when lit would summon him to the

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bearer or draw the bearer to his court. Through
these devices Nier on bartered for souls in

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exchange for granting mortals their hearts
desires each packed designed to twist to his

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advantage. His mastery of such dealings earned
him titles among the damned. The wish weaver, the

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lord of lies and the king of hate. From his throne in
hell he turned his gaze toward earth preparing a

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grand design to expand his infernal power beyond
the boundaries of his realm. Nier on initiated a

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plan to unleash the underworld by appearing to
five of the flashes rogues. Captain cold, mirror

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master, heatwave, weather wizard and captain
boomerang convincing them to carry out

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synchronized acts of destruction across the
united states. The five explosions arranged in

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points of a pentagram killed the rogues in green
fire and opened a passage from hell to earth. You

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can learn more about the rogues in their teen dual
episode against the brotherhood of mutants.

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Emerging through the flames Nier on offered
countless villains and even some heroes black

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candles promising power or fulfillment in
exchange for their souls. Dozens accepted

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villains were transformed abilities magnified
and desires granted. Nier on's true ambition

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however was the corruption of a single pure soul
whose fall would magnify his dominion. Many

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believed he sought superman but Nier on's true
prize was shazam. When the hero offered his soul to

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save earth and his fellow heroes his selflessness
rendered the contract uncollectable. Bound by

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the infernal law that required him to honor his
deals exactly as written Nier on was forced to

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release his claims. The trickster exploited the
loophole and unraveling Nier on's network in

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bargains and banishing him back to hell empty
handed. Two years later Nier on resurfaced and

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resurrected the same five rogues sending them to
terrorize Keystone city. His true target was the

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flash Wally West whom he drew into hell. Refusing
Wally soul Nier on instead demanded something

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pure. His love for Linda Park. When Linda offered
her own soul to spare him Nier on intended to use

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their combined essence to ascend heaven's gates
by channeling the speed force. But the purity of

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their love corroded him and affecting his being
with pity and compassion. Desperate to be rid of

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the contamination he struck a new bargain. He
restored their love and lives in exchange for

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bringing the rogues fully back from death. Nier on
honored the deal found vengeance against the

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flash for the humiliation. You can learn more
about Wally West in our flash versus speedball

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episode. Soon after Nier on observed chaos in the
celestial order as the angel Asmodel rebelled

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against heaven. Seeing opportunity he allied
with Asmodel's army to seize heaven itself but at

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the moment of the assault he withdrew support
without explanation and returned to hell. Not

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long after Trickster again crossed his path
binding Nier on in a new bargain that compelled him

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to forget the rogues entirely. Nier on agreed and
the Trickster walked away as the one mortal who had

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bested him twice. You can learn more about
Trickster in his duel against Toad. When Etchigan

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manipulated Asmodel's punishment by fusing him
with the unhosted specter force hell erupted into

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turmoil. The merging froze hell's fires and
unleashed the damned upon the earth. Nier on used

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Superman's body as a vessel to reach the mortal
plane attempting to claim the specter force for

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himself. The spirit chose hell Jordan instead and
hell's princes punished Nier on for abusing

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hell's power for personal gain. They stripped him
of his royal title and cursed him to speak in rhyme

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demoting him to a lower demonic caste. Determined
to reclaim his crown Nier on trialed through time

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to seize the souls of Barry Allen, Jason Todd and
Superman at the moments of their deaths. He

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captured the first two but Superman's purity
defied him. When Nier on erased dead man's memory

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to prevent interference the specter restored it
exposing the scheme. Nier on failed but

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maneuvered through infernal politics to regain
his powers and status. From hell's throne he

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turned again toward earth. Nier on empowered
Felix Faust to masquerade as Dr. Fate luring Ralph

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Dibney into a ritual that promised the
resurrection of his wife Sue. When Nier on

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appeared to claim Ralph's soul Ralph activated a
binding circle that trapped them both inside the

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tower of fate. Nier on killed him only to find the
binding unbreakable by any but its creator.

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Eventually Nier on escaped and resumed his
bargains transforming Eddie Bloomberg into a

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demonic metihuman known as Kid Devil. Nier on's
pact was conditional if Eddie lost faith in blue

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devil his soul would be forfeit at age 18. Years
later Eddie discovered blue devils and winning

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role in his aunt's death and lost faith fulfilling
Nier on's expectation. War soon erupted in the

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underworld when Blaze and Satanus the twin rulers
of purgatory invaded hell promising hope and

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redemption to the damned. Nier on rallied his
armies summoning Lilith's monstrous offspring

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to his side as victory neared Satanus unleashed a
modified demon plague activated by the word

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Shazam. The spell transformed demons into
soulless humans perjuring centuries of devoured

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entities from Nier on's body. Script of power he
was beheaded and Blaze usurped her brother to

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claim hell's throne. Though dethroned Nier on's
influence persisted through artifacts he had

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forged on earth including Ocean Master's Trident
and a get out of hell free card that circulated

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among mortals desperate to cheat damnation. In
post flashpoint continuity Nier on claimed

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hell's throne after Lucifer abdicated and set his
sights on earth once more. He overthrew Papa

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Midnight's operations and repurposed
Midnight's New York City club as a conduit for his

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growing influence intent on seizing control of
New York as the first step in conquering the world.

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When he trapped both Midnight and John
Constantine in hell Constantine escaped and

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dismantled Nier on's plan by exploiting a
loophole in Nier on's own hex forcing the demon

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back to his realm. You can learn more about
Constantine in our John Constantine vs brother

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voodoo episode. Later Nier on captured the solar
powered hero Apollo and imprisoned him within his

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palace baiting his partner Midnighter into hell
for a direct confrontation. Midnighter fought

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through demonic hordes and engines of torment to
free Apollo ultimately defeating Nier on in

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personal combat and costing Nier on his captive
prize. When the great darkness rose to consume the

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multiverse Nier on was among the infernal lords
enslaved to its will forming parts of the dark army

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that clashed with the Justice League. After the
heroes severed the darkness's link to reality and

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later purged its new host Nier on and the others
were freed from its control. In time Nier on was

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dethroned by Raven who restored order to hell
displaced again Nier on resumed his dealings in

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the shadows crafting new packs leaving infernal
contracts and searching for the next soul whose

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fall might restore his supremacy and that's Nier
on's backstory powers wise Nier on is one of the

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most powerful demon lords of hell possessing vast
strength and durability he can manipulate

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reality through sorcery unleash hellfire and
eldritch force and assume either a regal humanoid

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guise or his true form a green tentacled mass he can
fly teleport and conjure artifacts of immense

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power including weapons his defining ability is
contract magic he grants power transformation or

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resurrection to mortals in exchange for their
souls within his own realm this power grows

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exponentially and he will reform there if slain
making him immortal so is he shumagorath in his

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true form not with like the giant eyeball or
anything like that it's more just like a chunky

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green mass gross you know hella has a true form as
well if her headdress is ever removed she was

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actually born like half dead and half alive so like
half of her is beautiful but the other half is

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basically like a zombie that's her true form
interesting she's severely weakened when in that

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state so her headdress is her weakness i will take
note yeah nieran's not gonna know that but let me

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tell you more about hella in her backstory hella
was mystically born in joenheim the land of the

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giants as the daughter of the giantess engerbota
and the trickster god Loki whom you can learn more

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about in his duel with aries some myths claim hella
was the offspring of an earlier incarnation of

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odin but all accounts agree that she was born half
dead her body split between life and decay as she

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came of age odin appointed her the goddess of death
granting her dominion over two of the nine realms

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hell the land of the dead and niflheim the land of
eternal mist and shadow cloaked in garments that

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concealed her half-rotted massage she appeared
as a darkly beautiful woman when veiled but

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beneath the cloak was the withered form of death
itself the garment held Hela held her power and

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vitality, without it, she became weak and frail.
Though Hela's role was to guide souls of

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Asgardians and their followers to the afterlife,
her ambition soon exceeded her station. She

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sought to extend her dominion to Valhalla, the
realm of honored warriors slain in battle, and

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longed to claim the souls of Odin and his son Thor.
During one of their earliest encounters, she

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appeared before Thor when he offered his own life
to spare Lady Sif, and impressed by his nobility,

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Hela allowed them both to live. Yet her
fascination with Thor persisted, often walking

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the line between adversary and reluctant
admirer. You can learn more about Thor in his duel

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against Wonder Woman. In time, Hela's hunger for
power grew. She stole a fragment of Odin's soul

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during his slumber upon the Sea of Eternal Night,
using it to create a cosmic entity called

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Infinity. The being nearly unmade existence
before Hela was defeated by Thor's sacrifice and

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Odin's intervention. Though Odin slew her to end
her threat, he was persuaded by Thor to resurrect

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her, restoring the balance between life and
death. Hela continued to test the gods resolve,

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once slaying Thor only to restore him when Sif
offered her own life in his place. When the

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monstrous mangog killed Odin, Hela clashed with
Pluto, the Olympian god of death, over the right to

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claim Odin's soul. To deny Pluto the victory, she
revived Odin herself. Later, alongside Loki, she

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attempted to trigger Ragnarok, the apocalyptic
rebirth of Asgard, by slaying Thor's friend Baldr

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and unleashing an army of monsters upon the realm.
Odin thwarted her scheme, but her obsession with

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the prophesied end of the gods endured. Hela's
authority was challenged by O'Larris, the

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unmerciful and Asgardian military commander who
sought to usurp her throne in Hell. The conflict

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drew the attention of the superhero team, the
defenders, who aided her in repelling O'Larris

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and restoring order to Valhalla. She later
conspired with Loki and the war god Tyr against

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Odin and joined the Hell Lords, Mephisto, Pluto,
and Satanish in merging their netherworlds to

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consolidate power. Their union awakened the
god-eater Demogorge, who devoured Hela and the

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others before being destroyed by Thor, restoring
her once again. Throughout these eras, Hela's

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realm served as both prison and battlefield for
divine souls. She commissioned the construction

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of Naglfar, a massive ship built from the
fingernails of the dead intended to carry her army

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across the Nine Realms during Ragnarok. Yet
before it could sail, it was destroyed by Scourge,

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the executioner who defied her tyranny to save
mortal souls. Hela's repeated attempts to claim

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Thor's life culminated when she cursed him so that
his wounds would never heal and his body could

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never die. After a brutal battle with the Midgard
serpent left him mangled, Thor entered Hell

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within the armor of the destroyer and forced Hela
to lift the curse, restoring his body and trapping

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the destroyer in her realm as a warning. Even so,
she continued to meddle with mortal and divine

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affairs, at times battling Mephisto for the right
to claim Thor's soul. You can learn more about

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Mephisto in his duel against Sandman. When Odin
entered the Odin's sleep, Hela seized the

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opportunity to expand her influence, corrupting
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Among them was Mirage of the new mutants who
rebelled against her queen. With help from the

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dwarven King Ytri and the young mutants, Hela's
Uruforge sword called the Night Sword was

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destroyed, and Odin was spared. You can learn more
about Mirage and Valkyria in their respective

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duels against Aeroet and Powergirl. When
Ragnarok brought about the fall of the Nine

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Realms, including Hel in Niflheim, Loki awakened
her in Immortal Guies in Las Vegas. There, she

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resumed feeding on human souls and aided Loki in
his schemes. During this period, she attended

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councils with Mephisto, Dormammu, and other Hell
Lords, often shifting alliances based on

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convenience and survival. Her presence drew the
attention of mutant allies when Mirage sought her

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aid in battle, gaining from Hela a sword and steed
that allowed her to defeat Ares. Around the same

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time, Hela accepted the soul of Primhari, the Wolf
Prince of Asgard, who bargained his own life to

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save his mortal lover and unborn child. After
Asgard was destroyed during an invasion led by

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Norman Osborn, whom you can learn more about in our
Joker vs Green Goblin duel, many Asgardian souls

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were left without a resting place. With no realm to
claim them, the cursed Valkyries, known as the

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Dessir, began feasting on their spirits. Loki
approached Hela with an offer to restore her

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dominion. By bargaining with Mephisto, he
granted her a portion of Hell to rule for 1,001

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years, forming a new Hell, single L, and saving
countless Asgardian souls from oblivion. In

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exchange, Hela erased Loki's name from the books
of Hell, freeing him from his predestined death.

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Soon after, the Dessir turned on Hela and attacked
her new domain. In the ensuing battle, her hand was

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severed and she was forced to absorb the dead into
her body to shield them. With the aid of Thor and

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Tyr, Hela repelled the Dessir, though the
conflict left her weakened. She later made a pact

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with Loki and Mephisto during the rise of Odin's
brother, Kul Borson, aka the Serpent, ensuring

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her realm's protection and pledging her servants
to Loki's cause. When peace returned, she

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regained the true Hell and reclaimed her place as
its ruler. After Loki restored Hela's severed

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hand with the power of the Holy Grail, Hela faced
Angela, the lost daughter of Odin and Freya, in

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combat. Angela had descended into Hell to free her
lover, Sera, and overcame the Death Goddess. She

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seized Hela's crown and took her place as Queen of
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Stripped of power and seeking vengeance, Hela
allied herself with Thanos, the Mad Titan,

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offering him the one thing he desired most, death
itself, in exchange for his aid in reclaiming her

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realm. You can learn more about Thanos and his duel
against Darkseid. Together with the Black Order,

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Hela stole into the collector's vault to retrieve
a version of Thor's hammer, Mjolnir, from a dead

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universe, only to fail. Returning empty-handed,
Hela slew Proxima midnight before Thanos as proof

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of her worth and sealed their alliance with a kiss.
You can learn more about the Black Order in their

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duel against Darkseid's elite. However, Hela's
pact with Thanos eventually brought ruin. When

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she sought to resurrect him after his death, Hela
succeeded in restoring Thanos' body, but his

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consciousness was fractured, his mind left
broken by the failed resurrection. During the

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battle against the Guardians of the Galaxy that
followed on nowhere, Hela commandeered a weapon

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capable of creating a black hole. Upon firing it,
she was caught in the black hole's collapse,

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vanishing alongside Thanos into oblivion. You
can learn more about the Guardians of the Galaxy in

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their duel against Doom Patrol. Hela survived the
void and clawed her way back into existence,

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reclaiming her throne in Hell. She later joined
forces with Camilla, Queen of the Norns, to defend

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the realm from Cinder, Queen of Cinders, during a
war among the realms. For strategic reasons, she

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and Balder agreed to a ceremonial marriage,
though Carnilla ultimately bound herself to Hela

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in Balder's place, joining the two as reluctant
co-rulers. Together they ruled Hell in an uneasy

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alliance. You can learn more about Malekith in his
duel against Eclipso. When the Cult of Null on

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Earth attempted to resurrect the Symbiote God,
she seized his weakened form and siphoned his

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power, seeking to command the living darkness
itself and seize control of the Symbiotes. You can

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learn more about Null in his duel against White
Lantern. And that's her backstory thus far.

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Powers-wise, Hela has as Guardian Physiology and
Dark Magic as the Goddess of Death. She has

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God-level strength, able to lift over 100 tons.
She can teleport, run over 100 miles per hour, has

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vast durability, and is immortal. She can fly,
astral project, cast illusions, manipulate

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magical energies into blasts or weapon
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Her power over life and death can kill others with a
simple touch. She is formidable in hand-to-hand

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and weapons combat, particularly with her Night
Sword, which is forged of the same Uru metal that

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Thor's Hammer Mjolnir is made of. And that's Hela.
Is there anything special about the Night Sword

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besides it being forged from Uru? I mean, she can
kill people with it. That's lame. So it's just a

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plain-ass sword? It's a fucking durable-ass
sword, and she has all these other magical

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abilities in conjunction with this badass sword.
I mean, kinda. She's basically Nier on. Don't say

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Now that we've got their histories and abilities

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out of the way, let's speculate on how one of the
1000 simulated matches will go. The winner is

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determined by simulations, not the speculation,
but it's fun to imagine how this fight could play

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out. AJ9K, what are the rules of our speculation?
Well I should say there are no rules, other than the

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characters have no prior knowledge of the other
going into the fight. All they are aware of

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starting out is that the other character is a
threat that needs to be eliminated. For the

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speculation, the contestants will begin
approximately 50 meters apart in a non-descript

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environment that will have no bearing on the match
itself, as no environmental statistics are

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considered in my simulations. The contestants
must earn victory on their own merit. Alright then

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let's get into it. Neron and Hela meet on the
battlefield. Who goes first? I think before even

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fighting that Neron is probably going to offer
Hela what she's always wanted, a way to obtain

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Thor's soul. And to help her with that, he's going
to present her with a black candle that transforms

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into a glowing green hammer called, let's say, B.
Olner. And that's like 10 times more powerful than

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Mjolnir and it shoots green lightning because
that's cooler. A hammer that's 10 times more

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powerful than Mjolnir? Yeah. Well, what happens
if she takes it? What does she give up? That's for

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Neron to know and for Hela to not find out until it's
too late. So he's just going to present this as a

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present to her? Yeah. I don't deny that she would
probably be tempted by the offer just for that much

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power. She'd probably take him up on it actually.
So she grabs the green hammer, Bjolnir, whatever.

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She grabs Bjolnir and just wallops the shit out of
Neron with it once she gets it. What an idiot. Okay.

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She tries to, but Neron, he's going to go
intangible. So he's just laughing as the hammer

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swings through him just time after time. And each
time she swings, that actually is going to drain

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Hela's soul, weakening her while Neron gains her
strength. And that was the twist on his offer. The

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hammer drains her rather than empowering her. And
with her weakened, that's when he is going to

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straight up uppercut her and she's going to go
flying towards the horizon, dropping Bjolnir.

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Okay. Well, first of all, Hela knew that some shady
shit was going to go down. Okay. Obviously she's

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dealing with the demon, wildswood, your enemy
grant you power. So this was all just a test. Like

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she split her soul, a fraction of it off before
taking the hammer. So Neron may have drained like

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1% of her soul's power, but she has power to spare.
So instead of getting knocked to the horizon, when

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Neron hits her, her body just explodes into a huge
flock of crows. That just fly back together again

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and they're going to reform back into Hela with 99%
of her soul intact. Wait, wait, she can split her

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soul? Yeah. She's done it quite a few times in the
comics. Oh, it's like a Horcrux thing. Uh, no, not

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really. Okay. Well, Neron's probably pissed that
his bargain backfired. We'll say that with the

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contract avoided, Bjolnir is just going to melt
like candle wax. That's fine. Hela didn't need the

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hammer. She has her own night sword. So she's going
to manifest it in her hand and she just flies

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forward lunging at Neron and just running the
sword right through his torso. Oh dang. Okay. So

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Neron is impaled by the night sword, but these
green flames are going to be flicking out of the

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sword's entry and exit points because Neron's
hate is so hot that it's going to cause the night

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sword to burn Hela's hand. That's going to force
her to let go of it. And that's when Neron's going to

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pull out the sword from his torso and he's going to
imbue her weapon with sentience, transforming it

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into this Uru armored hell knight that starts
attacking Hela with its sword arms. Okay. A

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sentient sword hell knight. Hela's going to block
the hell knight's attacks with a magic eldritch

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shield, but then she summons her own warrior, this
giant spider from her realm of hell. Think like

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Shalob from Return of the King. That spider
actually serves as a warden in her realm and the

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spider's going to web up this hell knight so that it
can't even use its swords. Okay. Well, I mean, if

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Hela's going to start conjuring beings from her
realm, Neron, he's going to summon the four

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horsemen of the apocalypse and they're going to
circle this giant spider on their horses and just

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stab it to death before charging Hela and doing the
same. No, except Hela has her own steed and she

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rises up on it. It's this 15 foot tall wolf, Fenris
wolf, who's just going to pounce on these tiny ass

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horsemen and rip them apart just like how a wolf
would do to a herd of baby deer. Oh, you think Fenris

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is big? Yeah. Neron's going to mount a fucking
giant 50 foot dragon that's going to blast Fenris

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and Hela with a blast of green hellfire just
disintegrating them. Fenris will be fine. Hela

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leaps off of him so the wolf gets the brunt of the
blast. He has a healing factor, but Hela summons a

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group of giant rock trolls from hell and their skin
are like immune to fire, right? And they just beat

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the dragon to death and Neron with their rock clubs
and axes. Okay. Well, like Hela, Neron's going to

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leap off the dragon before he's also attacked and
he's going to cause these iron chains like burning

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with green flame to shoot up from the ground and
wrap around the rock trolls and Hela, pulling them

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down into hell where they'll be trapped and
tormented for eternity. That's ending this

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match. So Hela's in hell, Neron's hell. So what she
does then is she's going to summon the souls from

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her hell into Neron's hell. And because the
Asgardians are all badasses with more strength

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and fighting skill than Neron's weak ass souls,
Hela and her undead army kill all the souls in

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Neron's hell and so he gets weakened and then
killed. I mean, I've got to have strength in

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numbers, you'd think. Doesn't matter, even if
that's the case, as guardians are badass Vikings.

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I mean, all the real badasses went to Valhalla
though. So Hela's squad is the JV team. It'll be

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enough. It'll be enough. A great disagree. We'll
leave it there. Either the souls in Neron's hell

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overpower the souls in Hela's hell or vice versa.
Let's go ahead and input the stats on these two

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characters, run the simulations and come back
with a winner. AJ9K, hit it. Inputting data,

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running calculations, processing results,
simulations complete. All right, I thought last

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week was a good matchup. This matchup between
Neron and Hela, I think, is even better. These guys

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are so close. Like, they're the same when it comes
to speed and invasiveness, damage level, range

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and versatility, but they had enough differences
to make things interesting. Yeah, we said that

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Neron is slightly more perceptive because he can
see a person's desires and that's what he exploits

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in his bargains with them. Yeah, we also said that
makes him smarter because he's a little bit more

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crafty and cunning in that regard. But we said that
Hela was not only a better fighter, but she was also

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better physically in terms of durability and
strength because while Neron does have demon

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physiology, the dude lost to Midnighter and when
he goes up against foes like Superman, his

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strength is often bolstered through magic. Yeah,
so between the differences in their brains and

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brawn, they were able to cancel each other out for a
truly even match. So taking all of these stats into

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consideration, Joseph, who do you think is coming
out on top? Hela. You would. Well, Instagram

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wouldn't. I'm guessing largely because you got
the poll up Hela late because Neron is beating Hela

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65% to 35% in that poll, meaning more people think
that Neron's going to win. It's okay to be wrong

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though. That's surprising. I did not see that
coming. I was pretty confident Hela was going to

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get the popularity vote. Yeah, me too. Well, let's
find out who's correct. AG9K, the results please.

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Here you are, sir. The winner of the matchup
between Neron and Hela is Hela. Oh yeah, baby. Me by

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51.4% or 514 of the 1000 matches compared to
Neron's 48.6%. Wow, that's almost a coin toss.

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That is a coin toss. Considering the way they
differed in stats, I'm surprised it came out to be

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this close. Well, like I said, they kind of evened
each other out when it came to brains and brawn.

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Usually a win rate lower than 52.5% of the matches I
consider a coin toss where if you ran another 1000

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simulations, you might get a different result
because it's just that close. But let's not do

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that. I mean, we could. But let's not. Fine.
Congrats to Hela. Congrats to the Marvel fans.

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We're on a streak now, guys. It's been a while. A
streak of two. That's not a streak. It's a streak,

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baby. We're just going to keep it rolling. Keep it
rolling all the way into January. That does it for

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this dual episode. H.A .9K, help close this up.
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Don't forget to listen to the other shows in the
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Destruction, Senjo World and Console Combat. In
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Halloween, we are going to bring you a special
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against the Crypt of Shadows. Yeah, this is a
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between seven supernatural and mystic users from
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tales of the crypt goodness in there. It'll be a lot
of fun. But that does it for this episode. We want to

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give a big thanks to our executive producers, John
Starosky, Zachary Hepburn, Dustin Belcom,

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Mickey Methegien, Nathaniel Wagner, Levi Yatyn,
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Williams and Paul Graves for helping make this
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week. Up, up and away. True believers.