Ocean Master vs Hellstorm

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This is a DynaMic Network Podcast. Hi, welcome to
the Dynamic Duel Podcast, a weekly show where we

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review superhero films and debate the
superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing

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their characters in stat-based battle
simulations. I'm Marvelous Joe and I'm his twin

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brother Johnny DC. And in this episode, we're
going to find out who'd win in a fight between the

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two trident-wielding badasses, Ocean Master,
who's an Aquaman villain, and Hellstorm, who is a

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sometimes lord of hell and then sometimes hero.
It's a little bit strange. Yeah, actually

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sometimes Ocean Master is somewhat heroic, you
know, when he's acting for the benefit of

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Atlantis. Yeah, I don't know if I would call them
anti-heroes. I guess at one point Hellstorm was an

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anti-hero, but I think I would consider them more
anti-villains, if that's even a term. If not, I

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just coined it. I want a quarter every time
somebody says it. So now no one's gonna say it.

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Either way, we're gonna find out who's gonna win in
this matchup later on this episode. Before we do

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that, we're gonna break down the latest comic book
movie news from this past week, of which there was

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the console combat podcast, where hosts John and
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characters. In yesterday's episode, they
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Destruction podcast, hosts Scotty and Gilly,
pick your favorite action heroes from film and

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television against each other. On Wednesday,
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Wilson's Captain America and Peacemaker. And on
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speculates on fights between fan favorite anime
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revealing who would win between Whitebeard and
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podcast network. But with that out of the way,
quick to the no prize. A no prize is an award that

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Marvel used to give out to fans. Our version, the
Dynamic Dual No Prize, is a digital award we post on

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Instagram for the person that we feel gave the best
answer to our question of the week. Last week we

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asked you guys, besides Batman, Spider-Man, and
Wolverine, which Marvel or DC character do you

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most want to play as in a single player adventure
video game? And this was coming off of the trailer

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that we received for the upcoming Marvel's
Wolverine action adventure game that's coming

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out for the PS5 next year. We got a whole lot of
answers for this one, so let's go ahead and run down

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our three honorable mentions as well as the no
prize winner. Our first honorable mention goes to

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Kyo, who said, Hi guys, I was watching a CW flash
show the other day, and I was thinking how cool a

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flash video game would be. Like the map traversal
would be pretty cool since it has super speed, and

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then maybe the combat could have some moves like
the fear multi-takedown from the Batman Arkham

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Knight game. But yeah, that's my answer. Also, why
are you going to review your friendly

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neighborhood Spider-Man? We're not. We have too
many duels to get through before the end of the

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show. But as far as a flash video game goes, I
imagine that the entire game would almost have to

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be in bullet time, like slow motion, right, for it
to make sense. Maybe, so there was a

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side-scrolling flash video game for the Game Boy
Advance. It was a Justice League Heroes tie-in,

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but specifically for the character of the flash. I
don't know if you could do a flash game in 3D, but I

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think if you made one that was like Sonic the
Hedgehog, just really fast-paced, you would

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definitely need some homing attacks just because
I feel like with his speed, it would be really easy

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to lose control of the character. But it could be
really cool. Yeah, I mean like Sonic has homing

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attacks, so yeah, true. That would be badass. The
flash came in the style of Sonic the Hedgehog. Hell

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yeah. Great answer, Kyle. Our next honorable
mention goes to Travis Herndon, who said, What's

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up, the name of the dude is Travis here. Shout out to
my evil twin. So my pick would be Ghost Rider. I

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mean, come on, Ghost Rider is a cool superhero. He
has a badass rogues gallery that can easily fit

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into a game. And then you can either choose between
Johnny Blaze, Danny Ketch, Robbie Reyes, and just

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go around fighting demons on a motorcycle or a
demonic charger. I mean, come on, that speaks for

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itself. So yeah, my pick would be Ghost Rider. Hell
yeah, bro. You see what I did right there? Hell

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yeah. That would be a great video game. I would love
a Ghost Rider game to be in the action-adventure

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style video game. Kind of like Spider-Man and the
upcoming Wolverine game, but also have like

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almost racing levels. I guess it wouldn't quite be
racing. It would be more like motorcycle combat,

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which I think you could develop a really cool
fighting system based off of like high speed chase

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fighting. I would love a game like that. Like some
adventures would be maybe in the desert, some

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would be in the city, someone maybe even be in hell
and like hell landscapes where like you like ramp

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off of things and jump over lakes of fire and do
loop-to-loops or shit. I don't think it would look

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really cool in a video game. I mean, you kind of sold
me on the racing aspect. I think that'd be really

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cool. Great answer, Travis. Our next honorable
mention goes to Frank, who said? Hey guys, a type of

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video game I would like to see is a blade video game.
It's the obvious answer. You either go in with the

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bad assery and get a hack and slash like Devil May
Cry, or you focus on the vampire horror and make it

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like Resident Evil. It's just the obvious answer.
Absolutely. I think blade would be made for the

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hack and slash genre. Very similar to Devil May
Cry. Just put it in a whole horde of vampires and

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then just like Dynasty Warriors that shit, right?
That would be such a cool game. That would be

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awesome. There was like a blade to video game that I
remember owning for the PS2 way back in the day in

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the early aughts. It was so bad, but most movie
adaptations around that time were also bad,

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except for Spider-Man 2. That was a great video
game. I think blade is rife for a new video game

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undertaking in the single-player
action-adventure hack and slash genre. Dude, so

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many video game characters are ripe for a video
game adaptation. If it's true what they say that,

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you know, they're superhero movie fatigue, I hope
there's not superhero video game fatigue. And

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that just continues to get better and better. Like
DC Studios is a division dedicated just to movies.

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They need a DC division dedicated just to video
games. Well, Marvel has a Marvel Games division

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because we have our shit together. Okay, look at
you. Hey, hi. Bragging piece of shit. Great

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answer, Frank. We want to give a quick shout out to
Sheldon Moore and Lorenzo Valdes for taking the

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time to call in with your answer. But the winner of
this week's snow prize is actually split between

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two people, Alex Albro and Ryzeal, who gave the
same answer. And that is... Hey guys, I think Green

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Lantern has a really good argument for a video
game. Starting on Earth, inevitably you get the

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ring and then you leave Earth patrolling all the
sectors of the universe. And as you interact with

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different Green Lanterns and different Lanterns
of different color spectrums, and as you defeat

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more villains, you gain more abilities, more
power, I think each sector could have a different

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style of gameplay and a different villain,
different power ups. And it's not necessarily

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endless, but it has a lot of meat on the bone for a
good campaign. Thanks guys. Hey guys, Ryzeal

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here. I'm thinking an RPG action game where like a
normal game would have mana, you have to pay

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attention to do this one is battery level instead.
You make your constructs with templates

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beforehand where you can make whatever you want.
But the more pieces you use, like Lego style, the

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more battery it's going to use while you're out on
actual mission. Once the, you know, you run out of

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battery, you just go back and have to start over or
you fail that one. Or you have to take time to save

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the oath, which is really long, and you're
probably going to get your ass kicked as you're

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doing it. We got to run home and grab your battery
first, and then say the oath. Oh yeah. Both these

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guys gave great ideas for both the story and
mechanics of a Green Lantern action adventure

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video game. I really love how Alex focused on how
like you unlock new moves as you go along and meet

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different lanterns among the different
spectrums. And then Ryzeal came in with the whole

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construct building mechanic. I think both of
those are brilliant. I think Warner Brothers is

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fucking stupid for not having made this game
already because it literally sounds like money

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waiting on the table. Yeah, talk about an open
world game. How about an open universe game where

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you could go to different planets? That's wild.
Like you think about like the build system in games

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like Fortnite or even probably more apt Breath of
the Wild and the recent tears of the kingdom for

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Legend of Zelda. How you could basically build all
these creative things. Do that for Green Lantern.

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That's his whole concept. Yeah, and you can make
the planet small. It's like you don't even need to

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include Earth in a video game like this. Just
include a whole bunch of small planets. Right,

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yeah. So throwing a little bit of like loose
gravity, like Super Mario Galaxy. I mean, it's

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just a fantastic game idea. You know, it was a
really cool DC game that they actually could have

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made into solely a Green Lantern game?
Scribbleknot's Unmasked. And in that game, you

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can create anything just by typing in a prompt. Oh,
well, it doesn't make for the most fast paced

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gameplay, but it's an opportunity to be really
creative and solve challenges with your

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creativity. I'm there for it. Yeah, you just
introduced the idea of puzzle elements within

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this game. There's just so much there with the
Green Lantern video game. It's ripe. It's there

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for the picking DC. Take it. It would be way better
than anything Marvel could do. No, no, I don't

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think so. That's not right. Sorry, but it's true.
Great answer either way, Alex and Ryzeal. You guys

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win this week's Snow Prize. If you the listener
want to shout at winning your own No Prize, stay

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tuned until later on in this episode when we'll be
asking another question of the week. And now that

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that's done onto the question of the week. For the
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has been the scariest moment in a Marvel or DC film
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made you shit your pants or jump out of your seat or
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We want to hear about it. I mean, not you shitting
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11th. But I think we'll go ahead and get into the

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main event for this episode now, where we find out
who would win in a fight between the Aquaman

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villain, Ocean Master, and one of the Lords of Hell
for Marvel, Hellstorm. All right, Ocean Master

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versus Hellstorm. Now, the reason we decided to do
this matchup was one due to the executive

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producers who thought this might make for a good
Halloween duel, considering Hellstorm is one of

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the Lords of Hell in Marvel. And, you know, Ocean
Master, he's not like scary in a Halloween sense,

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but he is a villain. So there's that whole dark,
evil aspect going there. So yeah, I think this is a

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good Halloween episode. Yeah, both of the
characters are like the sorcerers who carry

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tridents, essentially. Plus, you got the whole
water versus fire dynamic going on. It's pretty

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cool, I think. I was excited when I heard this
matchup come up. Yeah, same. Both of these

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characters have had live action, film, and
television appearances. Hellstorm actually had

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his own series on Hulu called Hellstrom. Now, they
kind of played it out very differently than it is in

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the comics. They really focused on his
supernatural detective era from the comic books.

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But Ocean Master was pretty accurately depicted
in the Aquaman films, I feel, by Patrick Wilson.

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Yeah, I would say they did a really good job
adapting Orm, for sure. But before we get into the

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match to explain the methodology behind our
duels, let's go to our sentient duel simulator,

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Alfred Jarvis 9000. AJ9K, tell our listeners how
you go about determining a winner in our duel

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matchups. Yes, of course, sir. The way I determine
a winner between the contestants is by running

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1000 Monte Carlo simulations using the
characters statistics. A Monte Carlo simulation

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is a probabilistic model used to determine
outcomes through random sampling. In this case, I

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randomize the statistics along a normal
distribution as a way to simulate the many

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variables that can occur during battle. The stat
parameters are based on the official Marvel power

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grid from which the DC characters statistics are
extrapolated. Additional versatility and

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perception in order to create a more detailed and
accurate simulation. The results of the 1000

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simulations provide a percentage of wins for each
character. The contestant with the higher

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percentage is declared the victor as they have a
higher probability to win any given battle. In an

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equitable pairing, neither character should win
100% of the matches. The comic book stories have

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shown that there's even a way for Batman to defeat
Superman. So the confidence rate of my method

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falls in line with the precedents that have been
established in the source material. My

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mathematical simulations are without
subjectivity or bias. Feats are not the sole

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consideration, nor are fan votes tabulated for
determination of the winner. Thanks, AJ9K.

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Before we run the simulations, though, we'd like
to break down each of the characters' histories

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and abilities before improvising a scenario on
how we imagine one of the 1000 simulations would

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play out beat for beat. And it's my turn to go first
with the DC characters backstory, so let me tell

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you all about Ocean Master. Orm Marius was born to
the Atlantean Wizard King, King Atlan, and an

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Inupia woman from the Arctic Circle. Though
Atlantean, Orm was raised far from the undersea

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realm among the icy northern tribes of his
mother's people, he grew up restless and

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alienated, a misfit in a world of tradition. His
mother often spoke of the sea and of the father who

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had vanished beneath it, filling Orm's
imagination with dreams of a forgotten kingdom

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that he believed was his birthright. When a young
Arthur Curry rescued Orm's cousin Kako from a

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polar bear attack, the outcast Inupia saw in the
blonde stranger everything he lacked, strength,

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charisma, and acceptance. Orm watched his people
embrace Arthur with warmth they had never shown

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him. Jealousy festered until, in a moment of rage,
he attacked Kako after learning she had grown

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close to the outsider. Though she survived, her
memory of the assault was lost, and Arthur was

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blamed and cast out for bringing a curse upon the
village. Orm's hatred deepened, and when

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Whispers of Atlantis reached him through magic
and legend, he abandoned the surface to find the

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kingdom of his bloodline. He re-emerged years
later as Ocean Master, a pirate sorcerer wielding

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the dark gifts inherited from his father's
lineage. Neither he nor Arthur yet knew they were

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bound by Atlan's prophecy that his sons would one
day battle for dominion over the seas. You can

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learn more about Arthur in our Aquaman vs
Submariner dual episode. Ocean Master's rise

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began with fleets of submersibles and legions of
mercenaries who plundered the oceans, attacking

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ships in coastal cities in his quest to force the
world to acknowledge his supremacy. His growing

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collection of Atlantean relics and increasing
mastery of ancient sorcery grew with each

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conquest, making him a formidable foe even to
Aquaman. Their first clashes revealed uncanny

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similarities between them, strength,
willpower, and the same innate connection to the

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sea. Though neither man understood their bond at
first, Arthur later uncovered the truth

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throughout Atlantean records and realized that
Orm was his half-brother, the second son of Atlan.

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Driven by envy and destiny, Orm became obsessed
with claiming the throne of Atlantis. To augment

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his power, he sought forbidden sources of magic
and made a pact with the demon lord Neron, selling

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his soul for an enchanted trident. The weapon
magnified his control over the elements,

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allowing him to summon lightning and tempests,
but accursed him with unending pain whenever he

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was separated from it, scarring his face and
warping his mind. With his new power, Orm

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conquered the Dreaming City, an Atlantean
offshoot civilization and enslaved its

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citizens. Aquaman confronted Orm, revealing
their shared parentage, but the revelation

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shattered Orm's sanity. The trident's magic
burned through him, leaving him disfigured and

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broken. In time, Orm recovered, turning his
intellect and sorcery toward manipulation and

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conquest from the shadows. He joined Lux Luthor's
and Justice Gang and later the Seeker Society of

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Super-Villains, forming alliances with other
enemies of the Justice League to extend his

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influence beyond the seas. When Atlantis
suffered devastation from the wrath of the

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Spectre, Orm enslaved the survivors, forcing
them to mine resources for his undersea empire.

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His rule was merciless, his ambition
unrelenting, and his hatred for Aquaman only

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deepened as the world continued to favor his
brother as its champion. Ocean Master's sorcery

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reached its peak when he used a spell focused
through the bones of Aquaman's lost hand to

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rewrite reality itself, exchanging identities
with his brother. In this false world, Orm ruled

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Atlantis as its beloved king while Arthur, cursed
with Ocean Master's memories, was hunted as a

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villain. For a time, Orm reveled in the adoration
and power he believed he deserved, yet the

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illusion unraveled when Dr. Geist, a human
scientist known to Orm, revealed the deception.

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Aquaman destroyed the spell's anchor, restoring
reality and leaving Orm once more stripped of the

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throne he coveted. Orm later resurfaced within
the ranks of the Seeker Society's inner circle and

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clashed repeatedly with both the Justice League
and his half-brother. As the age of magic shifted,

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Orm enslaved what remained of Atlantis' people
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When the magic wars consumed the oceanic world,
Orm was thought dead, but he survived, retreating

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into the shadows to await another opportunity to
reclaim what he believed was his destiny. In

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post-Flashpoint continuity, Orm was born the son
of Queen Atlanta and the Atlantean warlord Orvex

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Marius, raised as a prince in the royal palace and
unaware that his mother had once born another son

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with his service man Tom Curry. When he learned
that Arthur Curry, the so-called Aquaman, was his

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half-brother, Orm grew conflicted. He loved his
brother and wished to reunite their family, but he

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despised the surface world for its pollution and
arrogance. His father's militarism and his

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mother's mysterious death hardened him into a
ruler who valued order above compassion. When

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Arthur discovered Atlantis with the exiled
Volko's help, Orm welcomed him and briefly seeded

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the throne, believing his brother's rule could
unite their divided worlds. But when the surface

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launched missiles that accidentally struck near
Atlantis, Orm perceived it as an attack. Acting on

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old war plans, he and Arthur had drafted together.
He unleashed devastating floods upon the coasts

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of Boston, Metropolis, and Gotham, killing
thousands. Declaring war on the surface, he led

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Atlantean armies to battle until the Justice
League intervened. Aquaman pleaded with Orm to

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stop, but when the truth came to light that Volko
had manipulated events to restore Arthur to

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power, Orm was defeated and taken to the surface
for trial. Stripped of his crown and imprisoned in

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Bel-Riv, he came to despise the name Ocean Master,
a mocking title given to him by the surface media.

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During a global crisis brought by the crime
syndicate, Orm escaped to sell and wander to the

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surface, where he saved a woman named Erin Shaw and
her young son Tommy from Rioters. He found solace

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in their companionship, living quietly as a
father figure and telling the boy stories of the

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sea. Years later, when he learned Atlantis was
again at war and Aquaman presumed dead, Orm left

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them behind to reclaim his throne. He confronted
Mera and Tula on the surface, demanding Atlantis'

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crown, but Mera defeated him in battle using her
hydrokinetic powers. Imprisoned once more, Orm

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was freed when alien sea gods invaded and
transformed Atlantis' citizens into monsters.

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Fighting alongside Mera, he helped her seek an
artifact capable of killing gods, but was himself

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corrupted by the invaders' waters and
transformed into one of their servants. After the

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gods' defeat, Orm returned to his senses, hunted
by what he had become. In the aftermath, he

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vanished into the lower depths of Atlantis,
living among the destitute of the 9th tribe. There

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he learned of the legend of King Dagon, a forgotten
monarch who once ruled the oceans through a bound

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elemental named Lernaea. Pursuing the myth, Orm
descended into the oceans of Biss and found the

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imprisoned Lernaea herself. Fraying her from her
bonds, he gained her loyalty and founded a new

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kingdom for the displaced and the damned, the city
of Dagon. Rejecting overtures from Apex Lux

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Luthor to join the Legion of Doom, Orm instead
built his own domain, declaring independence

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from both Atlantis and the surface world. When he
returned to the surface to explain his

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disappearance to Eren, she rejected him,
unwilling to live in the shadow of his war like

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ambitions. Orm left heartbroken, but vowed one
day to offer Tommy the chance to succeed him as King

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of Dagon. From the deaths of his new city, Orm began
plotting once more, gathering outcasts and

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mutants to his cause. When Queen Mera fell into a
coma, he sought to exploit the power vacuum,

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manipulating Dagon's populace and even
orchestrating the abduction of Aquaman and his

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daughter to discredit her rule. His deception was
exposed and his elemental ally turned to Against

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him, forcing Orm to concede defeat and accept
Mera's plan to abolish Atlantis' monarchy.

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Though stripped of power yet again, he remained in
the shadows, commanding loyalty among those who

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believed in his vision of an ocean ruled by
strength and purity. In the years that followed,

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Orm allied with the scavenger and other undersea
warlords to destabilize Atlantis, seeking to

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resurrect his empire through subterfuge and
terror. Napaurs wise, as a pure-blooded

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Atlantean of royal descent, Ocean Master
possesses immense strength, speed, durability,

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and stamina, allowing him to survive the crushing
pressure and fragile darkness of the deep ocean.

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His enhanced senses grant perfect vision in the
blackest depths and hearing capable of detecting

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movement miles away. A skilled tactician and
warrior, Orm is trained in all forms of Atlantean

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combat and command. His enchanted trident,
forged in Atlantis, channels lightning,

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conjures storms, and focuses his arcane power,
while his royal mask crown amplifies his

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hydrokinesis, enabling him to command the tides
and summon devastating tsunamis. And that's

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Ocean Master. He's not that scary. I don't know if
this is a good Halloween episode after all. Oh, I'm

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sorry. There's nothing scarier than the ocean,
bro. Do you know what's down there? Freaking no one

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does. You go down there and you see him? Yeah,
you're going to be shitting yourself in that

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water. I can think of a lot of things underneath the
water that would make me shit my pants more than

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some dude wearing a goofy-looking helmet. That
being said, one of my most frequent recurring

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nightmares is one of a tidal wave. Oh, really?
That's interesting. You know what that means,

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right? What? It means that you have poor taste in
comic books. What? Yes. Science. I think it means

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that I have awesome taste in comic books. I'm just
like swimming in all the awesomeness that is

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Marvel. Is that what happens in your dream? The
tidal wave crashes on you and you're just

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swimming? No. Yeah. It's more like I'm trying to
get to higher ground and run, basically. Anyway,

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enough about that. Let's go ahead and get into the
backstory for Hellstorm. Damon Hellstrom was

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born in Green Town, Massachusetts, the son of
Victoria Wingit and the hell lord who called

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himself Satan. Victoria's parents had sold her to
the Chapel of Dresden, a fanatical occult sect

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once allied with Nazi Germany who hoped to bring
about a messianic human demon hybrid. Rituals and

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glyphs were carved into Victoria's body to
prepare her as a vessel and when Satan came to earth

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in human guise, he seduced and married her. The two
settled in Massachusetts where Damon was born a

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year later. Damon's infancy was marked by
sinister conditioning. He was fed human blood and

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marked with a pentagram birthmark. His father's
interest soon shifted to his younger sister,

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Satan, born three years later who proved more
receptive to his teachings. Damon meanwhile

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bonded with his mother, never fully aware of his
father's identity. When their mother witnessed

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Satan's true demonic form, she was driven insane
and the children were separated. Victoria was

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institutionalized. Satan, taken to hell to be
raised by her father, and Damon placed in an

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orphanage. On visits, his mother entrusted him
with an onc pendant claiming it was his sole

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protection against Satan. She also revealed the
existence of Nethraeneum, a rare infernal metal

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capable of harming his father. As Damon matured,
he pursued theology, studying under Father

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Raymond Gosset in a Jesuit monastery. He prepared
for ordination but turned away from the

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priesthood when his mother died and he inherited
the Massachusetts estate. Exploring the

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mansion, Damon discovered her diary, confirming
his lineage. He was drawn to the portal in the

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basement leading to hell where Satan revealed
himself and offered Damon eternal life and power

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if he served him. Damon refused, instead stealing
his father's trident forged of Nethraeneum and

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his Damon-drawn chariot escaping back to earth.
He also discovered the powers of his dark soul, the

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infernal inherited energy that granted him great
magical might. So, wearing to fight his father's

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evil, Damon became the hero called Son of Satan. He
balanced his civilian life as a scholar of the

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occult with his secret role as an exorcist and
demon fighter. Damon assisted Linda

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Littletrees, the witch woman, which led to his
first team up with Ghost Rider against Satan

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himself. He clashed with demonic beings such as
German X-D's and Cathara and even battled his

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sister Satan when she surfaced on earth as a
succubus. He grew known as a leading demonologist

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and frequently collaborated with superheroes
including the Fantastic Four. His reputation

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grew when he joined the defenders, assisting them
against the alien Nebulon, the Sons of the

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Serpent, and the demonic alliance known as the
Six-Fingered Hand, whose manipulations nearly

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merged earth with hell. During his tenure with the
defenders, Damon fell in love with teammate Patsy

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Walker, aka Hellcat whom you can learn more about
in her duel with Catwoman. The relationship was

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tested by his father, who transformed Patsy into a
demon to torment him. Damon agreed to stay in hell

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to secure her freedom, but ultimately rebelled
and returned to earth. Rejoining the defenders,

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he fought alongside them against threats
including Asmodeus, the Resistance, and the

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Miracle Man. The Miracle Man stole Damon's dark
soul, trapping it in a serpent. Deprived of his

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demonic half, Damon lost much of his power but was
freed from his infernal corruption. Believing

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himself cured, he retired his son of Satan
identity. He married Patsy and together they

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moved to San Francisco operating as paranormal
investigators while Damon taught

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parapsychology. To shield his reputation as a
scholar, he began using the alias Hellstorm when

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battling supernatural forces in public. The two
occasionally aided other heroes including the

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West Coast Avengers and confronted foes such as
Master Pentamonium, the Cat People, and demonic

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spirits tied to the Phantom Rider. But the absence
of Damon's dark soul left him gravely weakened. In

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desperation, Patsy summoned Satan through the
Grimorium Barum, a book of dark spells pleading

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for her husband's life. Satan restored Damon's
dark soul, but Patsy was driven insane at the sight

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of his full demonic essence. Though Damon
admitted gratitude, he coldly confessed he would

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have let her die in the same situation. Her mind
shattered. Patsy eventually took her own life

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under the influence of a being named Death Urge.
Emboldened, Damon reclaimed his role in the

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occult world, forging alliances with figures
such as Necra, the Gargoyle, Gabriel the Devil

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Hunter, and his new lover, Janie Cutter. He struck
a bargain with the witch, Lavoison, fathering her

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child in exchange for knowledge of his father's
true name. Armed with this secret, Damon slew

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Satan, aka Marduk Curios, inheriting his black
halo and lordship of his hell realm. He proclaimed

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his rule as a balance between heaven and hell,
ensuring neither could dominate humanity's

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destiny. From this position, Damon grew ever more
manipulative. He participated in conflicts

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involving Celine and Blackheart's demonic
Hellfire Club, a select group of mutants and

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demons attempting to exert control over society.
Damon took a seat in its inner circle as the White

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King, claiming to balance good and evil. He
deceived the Thunderbolts into rescuing Patsy's

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soul from Mephisto's realm, enabling her
resurrection. At times he spread deliberate

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falsehoods about his lineage, claiming even to be
the son of another hell lord named Satanish, a ploy

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to distance Patsy from him and protect her from the
horrors of his life as a hell lord. Using such lies,

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he briefly assumed control of Satanish's hell
realm and Dormammu's claim to rule through the

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flames of Faltine, though Mephisto soon seized
most of the territory. You can learn more about

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Dormammu and Mephisto in their respective duels
against Trigon and Santman. Damon remained

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embroiled in battles among hell lords. When
Dormammu attempted to annex Hell, Damon allied

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with Mephisto, Hela, Pluto, and Patsy to repel the
invasion. He later confronted angelic forces

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during the Angel's Zadkill's Takeover of Heaven,
hunting a boy prophesied as the Antichrist, named

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Anton Satan. Damon, Janie Cutter, Ghostrider,
and others pursued Anton, though Damon argued for

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killing him outright, only relenting when
pressed to prioritize defeating Zadkill. He

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later became involved in the contest for Sorcerer
Supreme after Doctor Strange stepped down,

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though Brother Budu ultimately inherited the
mantle. After a demonic invasion of Las Vegas,

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Damon discovered that a prophecy called the
Descent was real. A day when a hell lord would gain

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greater power, those they had marked would
transform into demons, and their heirs would

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ascend from hell. Damon betrayed the Avengers and
allied with the Red Skull's daughter, Sin, in a

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plan to raise the world. He later fell victim to
revenge by Brother Budu's brother, a spirit named

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Daniel Drum, who killed Damon, though his spirit
endured. Revived, Damon joined Baron Zemo's

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Masters of Evil and fought in a war of gods in a
desperate stand against the Shinto God of Evil, to

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whom Hell had fallen. Later, Damon accepted a
teaching role as Strange Academy in New Orleans,

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instructing students in infernal magic
alongside the mutant, Magic, whom you can learn

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more about in her duel against Deadman. And that's
Hellstorm's backstory. Powers-wise, Damon is

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the son of the Hell Lord, Marduk Kirios, aka Satan.
His demonic soul grants him enhanced physiology

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with enhanced strength, able to lift over one ton,
and bulletproof durability. He can generate and

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manipulate Soulfire, a version of Hellfire that
can hurt demons, which he can also form into

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constructs such as shields or restraints. He can
also use the Soulfire to fly or burn holes through

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reality to create teleportation portals.
Hellstorm can use magic to project a psychic

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astral form and read the thoughts of others. He has
spells for healing, hypnotizing, scrying,

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exercising, shapeshifting and more, as well as
mystic senses. He wields a Nethraenium Trident,

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through which he can channel his powers and use as a
weapon. He is a skilled supernatural detective

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with advanced knowledge of theology, the occult,
and the supernatural. And that is Hellstorm. I

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can't believe that Marvel is dumb enough to use the
name like Son of Satan as the name of a superhero.

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Like, who's going to be calling for him to save
them? Oh, save me, Son of Satan! Yeah, actually,

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the original name of that comic book was Mark of
Satan, before Marvel decided to change it. It was

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supposed to be along the same lines of the Tomb of
Dracula comic book series. I don't know why Son of

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Satan is a better title than Mark of Satan, but
yeah, if I had a choice of heroes to save me, it

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wouldn't be him, largely because he's a selfish
son of a bitch. And that's probably why he grew more

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villainous over time. Oh, that all of a sudden they
have him teaching a strange academy as if he wasn't

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a villain. It's all very strange. Academy. And
that's it for this video. I hope you enjoyed it.

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I'll see you in the next one. Well, now that we've
got their histories and abilities out of the way,

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let's speculate on how one of the 1000 simulated
matches will go. The winner is determined by

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simulations, not the speculation, but it's fun to
imagine how the fight could play out. AJ9K, what

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are the rules of our speculation? Well, I should
say there are no rules other than the characters

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have no prior knowledge of the other going into the
fight. All they are aware of starting out is that

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the other character is a threat that needs to be
eliminated. For the speculation, the

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contestants will begin approximately 50 meters
apart in a nondescript environment that will have

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no bearing on the match itself, as no
environmental statistics are considered in my

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simulations. The contestants must earn victory
on their own merit. All right, then let's get into

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it. Ocean Master and Hellstorm meet on the
battlefield. Who goes first? I'm going to say

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Ocean Master starts off by raising his trident and
summoning a giant ass tidal wave straight from

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your nightmares, which rushes in from behind
Ocean Master and crashes right on top of

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Hellstorm, just drowning his ass. No, because
Hellstorm would see the water coming at him. And as

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the wave approaches, he just slams his trident
into the ground and parts that water like the Red

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Sea, creating like this like wedge of heat that
like separates the waves. And so like there's this

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lane of dryness between the part of waters. And
through that, Hellstorm shoots out this like

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massive soulfire blast in the shape of a pentagram
at Ocean Master. And it just hits him and Ocean

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Master gets burned alive. No, because as that's
coming at Ocean Master, he's just going to dive

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into one of the walls of water to his side and use
that to swim towards Hellstorm. And he's going to

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manipulate the body of water he's in to swirl
around Hellstorm, trapping him in this massive

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whirlpool and allowing Ocean Master to just swim
around him and stab him a bunch of times. Hellstorm

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could fly though. So no, he's not getting pulled
into the water. He actually hovers above it. And

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then he dips his trident into the water, which sets
everything to an instant boil. So all the water

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evaporates and all that's left is just Ocean
Master, who's freshly cooked. I mean, that's a lot

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of water to boil. So let's say Ocean Master, he's
steamed, not boiled, but he'll cool off because

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he's going to summon a rainstorm that's just going
to drench the environment once again. And it's

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going to pummel Hellstorm with hail stones the
size of literal cats and dogs. Dogs like

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Chihuahuas, you mean? Sipernards, bitch. Who
cares? Either way, Hellstorm is going to create a

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like spherical fire shield around him. And hail is
not going to get through that because Pokemon

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rules fire beats ice. And within his fire shield,
Hellstorm's eyes burn and he casts a hypnotizing

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spell to take over Ocean Master's mind. And now
Ocean Master's eyes burn because he's under

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Hellstorm's control. I Ocean Master literally
wears a mask that covers his eyes. I don't think

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that spell is going to work on him. In fact, Marvel
probably has some dumb rule against that. Like,

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you know how you can't be mind controlled if you
wear a helmet? No, I mean, like this is more demon

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possession than psychic mind control. It's more
like exorcist than Professor X. Right. So Ocean

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Master gets mind controlled and his eyes burned
through his mask. OK, but Ocean Master is Homo Magi

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Atlantean royalty. So he's going to be able to
realize that Hellstorm is trying to possess him.

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So he's going to cast his own Atlantean spell
that's going to stop what Hellstorm is doing and

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flood Hellstorm's mind with negative thoughts of
all the crap he's done, like betray his wife and the

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Avengers and, you know, just general evil doing.
And this is going to put him in mental anguish and

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cause him to be like, oh, no, I suck. And he's going
to drop his shield and his Trident and he's going to

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fall to the ground. I mean, like that may have
stopped Hellstorm's possession spell, but he's

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not going to feel that bad. He's one of the Lords of
Hell, right? So like after he falls to the ground,

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he's just going to get right back up, like unfazed,
and he points his Trident at Ocean Master and

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manifests these fire rings around him, binding
him in fire. And then he telekinetically pulls

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Ocean Master toward him right onto his Trident and
paling him like a shish kabob. OK, well, as Ocean

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Master is being pulled toward Hellstorm, he's
going to cast a teleportation spell. Actually,

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he's going to cast an illusion spell at the same
time. So Hellstorm thinks he's impaled Ocean

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Master when in reality, Ocean Master is now behind
Hellstorm and he's going to impale him instead

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with his electrified Trident that's going to
overload and kill Hellstorm. Match over. But like

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the moment this illusion Ocean Master gets
impaled, Hellstorm's Trident is going to burn the

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illusion away. So Hellstorm realizes the
deception with enough time to spin around and

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block Ocean Master's electric Trident attack. He
just smacks his Trident away. And then Hellstorm

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summons a Hellfire portal that sends them both to
hell, where Ocean Master just burns an agony,

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instantly desiccates into this like skeleton of
Ash and Embers. And that is where the match ends in

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hell. Yep. I mean, Ocean Master, he's just going to
conjure these massive geysers that are going to

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flood the entire realm, drowning everyone, all
the demons in Hellstorm. So yeah, he's fine. He

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just has a new realm to roll over, I guess. That's
the stupidest thing I've ever heard in my entire

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life. But you can't flood Hell. It's too hot. All
the water would just evaporate. It's not like it's

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magic water. It has a boiling point. It is
literally magic water. What? No, it's water

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summoned through magic. It's not magic water that
makes it magic. OK, OK. Well, we'll go ahead and

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leave the match there. One of two scenarios
happens. Either Ocean Master burns alive in hell

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or he floods hell and drowns Hellstorm, which of
those sound even remotely possible. It was holy

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water. Now what do you say? Hey, you may have me
there, but let's go ahead and put the stats, run the

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simulations and come back with a winner. A.G .9K,
hit it. Inputting data, running calculations,

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processing results, simulations complete. This
is a damn good matchup, man. Damn good matchup.

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Both of these guys are insanely powerful. They can
both do teleportation. They can both do magic.

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They both have elemental magical powers with
their tridents. They're both highly versatile,

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although Hellstorm comes out a little bit ahead
there just because he has a lot more psychic feats

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than Ocean Master, which is also why Hellstorm has
the advantage in perception. Right. Hellstorm

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also had the advantage in invasiveness, but Ocean
Master had the edge in durability and strength

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thanks to his Atlantean physiology, which is
apparently stronger than demonic physiology,

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because Hellstorm is only credited with lifting
about a ton, whereas Ocean Master can lift about as

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much as Aquaman. The range on Ocean Master and the
damage level is off the charts. His feet of

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destroying entire cities thanks to his mask crown
and the bodies of water he's able to control with

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that is just freaking brutal. I mean, I've seen
Hellstorm blow up a few buildings with Hellfire,

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but I don't think I've ever seen him level entire
cities simultaneously. So Ocean Master got the

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edge and damage level and I guess fighting skill
because Ocean Master is more formally trained

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than Hellstorm. Right. He was like a master of
Atlantean combat at age eight. So taking all of

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these stats into account, Joseph, who do you think
is coming out on top in this match? To quote an X-Win

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movie, why do you ask questions to which you
already know the answer? Because I want to make

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sure that you're thinking the same thing I am. Oh, I
am Hellstorm. That's not what I was thinking.

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Well, it's what most of our Instagram followers
are thinking, because 56% of them are siding with

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Hellstorm in this fight. Well, let's see if
they're right. AJ9K, the results, please. Hey,

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you are, sir. All right, the winner of the matchup
between DC's Ocean Master and Marvel's Hellstorm

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is Ocean Master. No, but it's the reverse of what
Instagram thought. Ocean Master actually won

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56.1% or 561 of the 1000 simulated matches. And
Hellstorm won 43.9% of the matches. What is

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happening? How is Ocean Master able to be a Lord of
Hell? Doesn't register with me. The fuck is going

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on? Well, it's Ocean Master's physiology and just
sheer raw power. Hellstorm may be more versatile,

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but it's not enough to overpower Ocean Master,
apparently. What the fuck is the tidal wave going

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to do to Hellstorm? Defeat him, apparently. I
don't see that happening. I don't see any way that

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Hellstorm could be Ocean Master. So easily just
burn him alive. And what is fire going to do against

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water? Evaporate it. OK, so then it turns into a
cloud, which becomes rain, which then rains on the

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fire, dousing the fire. Pokemon rolls. Water
beats fire, my guy. Stupid, not soul fire, not

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magic water. Hey, dude, it's OK. The son of Satan
lost. Things are going to be fine. Did you want him

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to win? Yeah, that's evil, bro. He's a good guy,
even when he's not a good guy with the worst name

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that a good guy could ever have. No, Hellstorm is a
badass name. I don't care what you say. I was

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talking about his son of Satan name. I can't get
over how dumb that is. I'm talking about

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Hellstorm. Even that, even that. Oh, save me,
Hellstorm. No, save me, Ocean Master. I want you to

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save me. Yeah, Master of the Oceans, especially if
you're in the ocean when you need saving. This is

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dumb. I'm I'm so ready for it to be January already.
You piece of shit. Adrian and Kay, help close this

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out. In our next matchup, we are doing another
Halloween spooky-esque duel, this time with two

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villainous sorcerers, Felix Faust versus Baron
Mordo. Yeah, that episode has been a long time

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coming. Can't wait for that one, when Marvel's
finally going to get their comeuppance. You have

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yet to learn. You will, though. That is it for this
episode. We want to give a big thanks to our

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executive producers, Jon Straski, Zachary
Hepburn, Destin Belcom, Maggie Mathen-Geehan,

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Nathaniel Wagner, Levi Aitin, Austin
Wosalowski, AJ Dunkerly, Nikobonto, Scott

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Camacho, Gil Camacho, Adam Spees, Dean Maleski,
Devin Davis, Joseph Kirsting, Josh Leiner, Mike

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Williams and Paul Graves for helping make this
podcast possible. We'll talk to you guys next week

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up up and away. True believers?