Parasite vs Sauron

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Hi, welcome to the DynaMic Duel Podcast, a weekly
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the superiority between Marvel and DC by
comparing their characters in stat-based battle

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simulations. I'm Marvelist Joe. And I'm his twin
brother Johnny DC. And in the countdown to the

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final episodes of this podcast, we're at number 6,
that means there are 5 episodes left after this

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one. Which is Parasite versus Sauron, the
Superman villain against the X-Men villain?

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Yeah, he's basically a pterodactyl man who lives
in the savage land and also, like Parasite, has the

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ability to drain the life energy from his victims
through contact. Yeah, you mentioned last

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episode that it was a crime that we had not yet
gotten to a Shadowcat duel. It is an even bigger

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crime that it took us so long to get to a Parasite
duel. He's like one of Superman's biggest

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villains. Nah, to me that's more like a
misdemeanor, whereas not getting to Kitty Pride

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was basically a felony on behalf of the show. Well
not getting to Parasite is a felony with a higher

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sentencing, I don't know. Before we get into that
matchup guys, where we input the character stats

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and run simulations to find out who would win,
we're going to break down the latest comic book

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movie news that came out this past week, of which we
have one news item and that is the Supergirl

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official teaser trailer. As always, we list our
segment of times in our episode description, so

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feel free to check out the show notes if you want to
skip ahead to a particular topic. Our

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artificially intelligent duel simulator, AJ9K,
has a quick message for our listeners, so listen

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up. Hello, these are the final episodes of Dynamic
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Be sure to tune into the other shows and the
Dynamite Podcast Network this week, including

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the console combat podcast, where hosts John and
Dean simulate battles between popular video game

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characters. In yesterday's episode, they found
out who would win between Lancer Big Daddy from

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Bioshock and Paladin Dance from Fallout. Over on
the Max Destruction Podcast, hosts Scotty and

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Gilly pit your favorite action heroes from film
and television against each other. On Thursday,

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the Macho Twins are learning who would win in a
fight between Dex from Predator Badlands and the

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Mandalorian. And on the Sanjo World Podcast, host
Zachary Hepburn speculates on fights between fan

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favorite anime and manga characters. In his next
episode, Zach is revealing who would win between

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Shigio Kageyama, aka Mob, from Mob Psycho 100, and
Tatsumaki, the tornado of terror from One Punch

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Man. Visit dynamicpodcasts.com or click the link
in our show notes to listen to all of the shows in the

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Dynamite Podcast Network. But now that that's
done, on to the news. OK, so last week, DC unveiled

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the official teaser trailer for the Supergirl
film, which is coming out June 26th next year. Of

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course, we saw Supergirl at the very end of the
Superman movie that came earlier this summer. She

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took crypto with her at the end of the movie, and now
she's going to have her own adventure. Crypto

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kicks off this trailer, which is nice to see
because I was a huge fan of the character in the

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Superman movie. What was not nice to see was how
filthy the living condition Supergirl lives in

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is. Dog piss and alcohol all over the floor. Bitch,
you nasty. Yeah, I can smell it through the screen

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almost. It's not pleasant, but that's her
character, right? She's kind of depressed. Yeah,

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and the women of tomorrow graphic novel, she is
depressed, having lost crypto and having

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witnessed the loss of it, which we partly see in
this trailer as the city that she lived in erects a

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force field to protect the city. It doesn't fully
work. I think the ground shielding didn't protect

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them from the radiation. But the line that Ruthie
asks when what was it like to lose everything in a

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day and Supergirl responds with Krypton didn't
die in a day. The gods aren't that kind. It was

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actually a line from the comic, and I really liked
the way that Millie Alcock delivered it here.

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She's going to do a pretty good job as Supergirl. I
feel like especially this version of Supergirl,

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who again is depressed and just kind of trying to
fight it back with alcoholism, essentially, when

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she's celebrating her 23rd birthday and saying
it's going to be the best yet, although that's not a

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hard bar to clear. You really felt it in her
performance. Yeah, I think she's going to do

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better with the drama in the role, better than the
action, I think. Although, you know,

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Kryptonians, they don't need to be buff. It's not
where they get their strength from. I think my

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issue with Millie Alcock is just how she's selling
the action more than do I believe she's actually

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doing this stuff? Oh, I'm not even going to
disagree with you. Like when she's going up

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against the guys in that bar brawl with like the
axe, it wasn't really convincing that she was

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going to be able to take them, especially since it
appeared they were able to match her strength

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wise. And then at the very end, when she's like
pulling on that machine connected to a cable, I was

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like, I don't think you quite sold that there.
Well, I think maybe that was a special effects

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issue at the end there because centrifugal force
doesn't work that way. Like the string would have

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to be taught going straight out in order for her to
maintain that swinging momentum. It was just

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strange. Right. Yeah. Like physics wise, she
would just be pulling that piece of machinery

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toward her and not in an arc. Exactly. I think it's
just hard for people to believe that this

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character has the strength to swing a battle axe
with one arm when it looks like the actress is

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struggling to do that herself. I'm guessing the
more physical stuff will be done with CGI. And of

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course, there's always her powers like heat
vision, which we get to see in this trailer, along

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with characters like Kram of the Yellow Hills, who
is the villain of this movie. And Lobo, played by

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Jason Momoa. We don't get a good look at him. But
from what we do see, holy shit, he's going to nail

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this. He was born to play this role. Yeah, it was
just a brief glimpse, but it looks spot on.

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Regarding the look of the movie as a whole,
Jonathan, how do you feel about DC straight up

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Xeroxing Marvel's Guardians of the Galaxy? And
they're not doing anything with it anymore. May as

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well continue the franchise over at DC. I mean, I
was actually really surprised as to how much this

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looked like Guardians of the Galaxy, considering
the fact it's not directed by James Gunn. It's

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directed by Craig Gillespie, who also directed
films like I Tania and Corella, which I thought

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were great movies. Well, it's just confusing me
because when I look at the Woman of Tomorrow comic,

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it's a gorgeous looking book. It's very colorful,
very organic looking alien worlds, almost pastel

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in its color palette. This is not that. These are
straight up reused Guardians of the Galaxy sets.

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That wouldn't surprise me. I'm guessing the
director, maybe at the behest of James Gunn,

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wanted to make it look more like a James Gunn movie
so that it looks like it fit more with the world that

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the Superman movie established, as opposed to
looking more like the comic, which is very alien,

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very organic, very colorful, like you mentioned.
Well, does that mean that every DCU project in live

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action is going to have to look like James Gunn made
it? Like, is the upcoming Clayface movie going to

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be like Slyther or something like that? Oh, dude, I
hope so. You just sold me on that. I guess I was the

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wrong comparison. All in all, I think this was a
good teaser, not the best teaser I've ever seen by

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any means. But it was enough, I think, to get people
excited. And honestly, I can't wait to see

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people's reactions and theaters to this. Right
now, I only know my reaction and like my daughters.

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They're excited. I'm excited. So when you say that
this teaser was enough to get people excited, are

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you referring specifically to just you and your
daughters? Because I don't know anybody else

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who's excited by this. Not even people on the
discord got excited by this. There was like zero

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conversation about it. To be fair, I was in the
hospital the day this came out. So I would have been

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talking about it a lot. Why are you giving us your
excuses? Because I was in pain in the ER. Again, why

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are you giving us your excuses? Because I have them
to give. Well, you're out of the hospital within

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like a day. So maybe you should be talking about
this on the discord. It's also been my daughter's

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birthdays for the past two days. Oh, my God, so many
excuses. Yeah, bro. Yeah. You can't judge the

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success of a trailer based on how many people are
talking about it in our own podcasts discord. I've

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seen plenty of discussion online about it. Most of
it is good. Like I said, no one thinks this is the

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greatest teaser trailer of all time, but it's
passable. All right. It's like a B minus. That's DC

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for you. That's DC. I can't wait for the new
Avengers Doomsday teasers that are coming to

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theaters. Apparently there's going to be four
different teasers and they're all going to be

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attached in front of Avatar, Fire and Ash in
theaters. Are you serious? I did not know that. So

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it looks like I'm going to go see Avatar four times
in theaters and hope I get to see each one. You're

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going to have to go to like four different
theaters. I don't know, man. It's kind of

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bullshit. That reeks of desperation, I must say.
For Avatar. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I meant.

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Yeah. I'll just wait till it's all online. Well,
we'll see if that happens. Maybe it'll be recorded

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by somebody on their phone or something. Who
knows? It better be. When is Avengers coming out

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next December? OK, well, I imagine the teaser for
that is going to be super, super short compared to

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this one. Yeah. Of course, Supergirl again, comes
out next summer on June 26th. So look forward to our

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review of it then. Right, because it'll come out
after this podcast ends, but we're still going to

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be reviewing new films when they come out. That's
right. But that does it for all the news for this

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episode. So let's go ahead and move into our main
event where we find out who would win in a fight

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between the Superman villain, Parasite and the
X-Men villain, Sauron. All right, Parasite

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versus Sauron, these are both parasitic beings,
obviously. I mean, the guy's name is Parasite, but

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in the sense that they absorb or siphon life energy
from their victims, it makes them stronger and

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Sauron that manifests differently, I think, than
like someone like Rogue or Parasite, because

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although Sauron can obtain the mutant powers of
people he siphons life energy from, largely, it

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gives him the ability to like shoot out the energy
he absorbs in the form of like thermal energy,

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which is pretty unique. Oh, like lasers? No, like
it looks more like electricity that comes from his

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hands or fire from his mouth. Interesting. I did
not know that. Actually, I don't really know

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anything about Sauron. He's a pretty dope
villain. Like out of all the characters from the

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Savage Land that we could have gone with, I guess we
probably should have gone with Khazar or K-Zar,

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however you want to pronounce it. But in the end,
I'm glad we went with Sauron, largely because what

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defines the Savage Land are its dinosaurs, its
prehistoric life. And also, he's probably just

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the biggest badass. That's like not human to come
out of there. Yeah, for a while we were considering

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pitting Khazar or Khazar against either Warlord
or Commandy, which I think would have been cool.

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That would have been cool. This is better. Yeah, if
we never did a Parasite duel in these 10 years, I

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would have been really pissed off. We would have
failed as a podcast. Pretty much, pretty much. I

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think there are many versions of Parasite that
have existed. So I'll be interested in seeing

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which one you go with. It'll be Rudy Jones. He's the
primary one, I would say. Although, I'll go into

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the backstory of a few others. OK. The movie
adaptation of this guy was very confusing, I have

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to say. But also hella good, am I right? Before we
get into their backstories to explain the

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methodology behind our duels, let's go to our
sentient duel simulator Alfred Jarvis 9000. AJ9K

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tell our listeners how you go about determining a
winner in our duel matchups. Yes, of course, sir.

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The way I determine a winner between the
contestants is by running 1000 Monte Carlo

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simulations using the characters statistics. A
Monte Carlo simulation is a probabilistic model

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used to determine outcomes through random
sampling. In this case, I randomize the

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statistics along a normal distribution as a way to
simulate the many variables that can occur during

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battle. The stat parameters are based on the
official Marvel power grid from which the DC

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characters statistics are extrapolated.
Additional stat categories are included such as

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range, damage potential, versatility and
perception in order to create a more detailed and

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accurate simulation. The results of the 1000
simulations provide a percentage of wins for each

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character. The contestant with the higher
percentage is declared the victor as they have a

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higher probability to win any given battle. In an
equitable pairing, neither character should win

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100% of the matches. The comic book stories have
shown that there's even a way for Batman to defeat

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Superman. So the confidence rate of my method
falls in line with the precedents that have been

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established in the source material. My
mathematical simulations are without

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subjectivity or bias. Feats are not the sole
consideration, nor a fan vote is tabulated for

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determination of the winner. Thanks, AJ9K.
Before we run the simulations, though, we like to

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break down each character's histories and
abilities before improvising a scenario on how we

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imagine one of the 1000 simulations would play out
beat for beat. And I believe it's my turn to go first

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with the Marvel character backstory. So let me
tell you all about Sauron. Millions of years ago,

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in the era of dinosaurs and the supercontinent
Pangea, an alien race called the New Wally

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constructed a refuge for Earth's prehistoric
life in what is now Antarctica. When an asteroid

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impact wiped out most of dinosaur life, this
preserve remained protected, allowing its

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ancient species to survive unchanged. Over time,
shifting geological land masses and glaciation

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formed an enormous crater that concealed what
came to be known as the Savageland. Spanning 350

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square miles, its sheer icy walls isolated the
tropical basin from the frozen continent around

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it, hiding the region for millennia, except
through secret tunnels, though pockets of early

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man did stumble upon the Savageland, becoming its
native inhabitants. In modern times, Carl Lycos

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was born the son of an explorer and spent his early
youth accompanying his father on expeditions. As

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a teenager, he joined his father on a journey to
Tierra del Fuego, an archipelago at South

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America's southernmost tip. There, they
assisted a wealthy client, Dr. Anderson and his

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daughter, Tanya. During his expedition, Tanya
wandered into a cave and was attacked by mutant

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pterodactyls that originated from the
prehistoric Savageland. Carl intervened,

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driving the creatures off with his walking stick,
but in the struggle, he was bitten. Dr. Anderson

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saved Carl's life, but the wound left him changed.
During his recovery, Carl discovered that he

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could drain the life force of living beings
through touch, accidentally killing his dog. The

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need for this life energy became persistent, and
in secret, he found himself periodically

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compelled to extract it from animals to survive.
After Carl's father died shortly after the

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expedition, Dr. Anderson took him into his home as
thanks for saving Tanya. Over the years, Carl and

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Tanya grew close, but her father forbade a
relationship due to Carl's lack of wealth,

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determined to win his approval. Carl pursued
medical training and became a physician,

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geneticist and hypnotherapist. He treated
patients with hypnosis while secretly siphoning

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their energy, rationalizing that he took only
enough to weaken, never to kill. During this

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period, he collaborated with Professor Charles
Xavier, who became aware of Carl's condition, but

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kept his secret. When Havoc was nearly killed
after losing control of his powers in a battle with

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sentinels, the X-Men brought him to Carl's
Manhattan practice, believing him trustworthy

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due to Xavier's association. You can learn more
about Havoc and the X-Men in their respective

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duels against the Ray and the Titans. While
treating Havoc, Carl siphoned part of his life

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force, but absorbing mutant energy triggered an
unprecedented transformation. He mutated into a

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half humanoid pterodactyl with human
intelligence and powerful hypnotic abilities.

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Shocked, he attacked the X-Men before escaping to
Dr. Anderson's home in an attempt to plead for

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Tanya's hand in marriage. However, Tanya and her
father recognized Carl for the monster he had

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become, forcing him to flee. Carl returned to
Tierra de Fuego, where horrified by his actions,

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he attempted to starve himself to death. However,
Tanya pursued him, arriving with the X-Men close

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behind. Carl felt the pull to drain Tanya's life
energy, but instead ran, falling over a cliff,

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unable to locate him. Tanya and the X-Men presumed
Carl dead. However, he survived unconscious on a

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ledge below and eventually wandered through
subterranean passages into the Savage Land.

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There, he lived in human form by feeding only on
lesser animals, keeping his Sauron persona at

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bay. He became an ally to the Jungle Lord, Khazar,
and provided medical care to his companions for

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many months. When the X-Men later became stranded
in the Savage Land, the presence of mutant life

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energy overwhelmed him, and he preyed on the team.
After absorbing Storm's energy, he reverted into

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Sauron again, though he soon returned to human
form. After the X-Men departed, Magneto took an

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interest in the Savage Land and began
experimenting on local inhabitants, creating a

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mutated army to help him control the region.
However, his campaign was stopped by Khazar.

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Tanya eventually learned Carl had survived the
fall and traveled to the Savage Land with

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Archangel and Spider-Man. They found him, but the
Savage Land mutates captured them and used one of

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Magneto's genetic transformers to mutate
Archangel, Spider-Man, and Tanya into

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animalistic forms. When the machine was
destroyed, Carl drained their altered life

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energies to restore them. The process worked, but
he involuntarily transformed into Sauron again

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and joined the mutates in opposing the X-Men. The
X-Men defeated them and returned Carl to the

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United States, where Professor Xavier appeared
to cure him. Carl and Tanya reunited, hoping to

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build a normal life. The attempt ended when the
mutant Toad abducted Carl and Tanya in order to

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recruit Sauron into his new Brotherhood of Evil
Mutants, whom you've learned more about in their

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duel against the Flash Rogues. Toad forced Carl to
drain Tanya's life energy, killing her and

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transforming Carl into Sauron once more.
Enraged, Sauron joined the Brotherhood and

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helped them attack X-Force, Cable then shot
Sauron and discarded his body, though he

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eventually recovered. He later battled
X-Factor, marking the beginning of several

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renewed clashes with the X-Men. You can learn more
about Toad in his duel against the Trickster and

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more about X-Force and X-Factor in their
respective duels against the Outsiders and the

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Freedom Fighters. Sauron returned to the Savage
Land and took leadership of the Mutates. In one

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effort to increase his power, he had them kidnap
Havoc, hoping to use his energy to sustain

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himself. When Cyclops, Phoenix, and Polaris
attempted a rescue, Sauron placed both Summers

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Brothers in an energy transfer device. The
combined energies mutated him further,

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enlarging him and increasing his strength.
Phoenix confronted Carl on the psychic Astral

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Plane, where his human consciousness seized
control and cast his Sauron persona into an

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internal abyss. As a result, Sauron's physical
form became trapped in a feral, non-sentient

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state. Sauron later recovered fragments of his
human mind and used this clarity to escape the

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Savage Land by stowing away Ancazar's transport
to New York. He sought out the X-Men again, but was

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defeated and turned over to Shield. Eventually,
he was incarcerated within the Weapon X program,

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subjected to their experimentation, and forced
to capture and recruit other mutants, though the

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program eventually collapsed. Carl was then held
in the superhuman prison called the Raft, where he

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escaped during a jailbreak, prompting the
Avengers to pursue him back to the Savage Land.

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After briefly holding the New Avengers team
hostage alongside the mutates, Sauron was shot in

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the head by Black Widow. He survived by having
previously absorbed Wolverine's healing

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factor. During the Skrull's secret invasion of
Earth and their infiltration of the Savage Land,

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Sauron fought the Skrulls alongside Khazar, his
wife Shanna, their pet Sabertooth Tiger Zabu, and

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the native tribes. Sauron later appeared at a
gathering of Wolverine's enemies, hosted by

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Sabertooth, where Wolverine fought and defeated
the assembled villains. Sauron then joined the

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Hellfire Club's new school, the Hellfire
Academy, as a staff member, serving as the

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school's science instructor. Sauron eventually
partnered with Dr. Vincent Stegron, a former

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Shield scientist who experimented with dinosaur
DNA recovered from the Savage Land. Together,

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they plan to transform humanity into dinosaurs,
battling Spiderman and students from the Jean

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Grey School. Their alliance crumbled due to
jealousy over their infatuation with the student

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Shark Girl, leading to an internal conflict that
caused their powers to cancel out, petrifying

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both. Later, Carl resumed laboratory work to
enhance control over his transformations. Now

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able to store mutant energy, he transformed into
Sauron at will and confronted the Scarlet Spider,

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a clone of Spiderman before being defeated and
restrained for authorities. However, he escaped

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and maintained a lab in Staten Island, helping
defend it against Null, a dark primordial deity

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you can learn more about in his duel with White
Lantern. Joining his fellow mutants on the

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Sentient Island nation of Krakowa, Carl then
joined the team X-Men Green, which took an

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environmentalist stance, fighting on behalf of
planet Earth. After the fall of Krakowa, Carl

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returned to the Savage Land, where he was later
imprisoned by Khazar. And that's his backstory.

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Powers-wise, Sauron is a mutate with the ability
to drain life energy or any thermal energy source

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directed at him through touch contact.
Initially, the energy would involuntarily

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transform Carl into a pterodactyl form, though
through his medical and genetics expertise, he

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developed the ability to transform at will by
storing the energy in his cells. With his

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pterodactyl physiology, he gains enhanced
strength, able to lift around 10 tons,

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durability, and flight. He has a beak full of sharp
teeth along with talons on his hands and feet.

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Siphoning a victim's life energy leaves them
feeling drained, and Sauron can expel excess

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energy from his mouth via fire breathing or energy
emissions through his hands. With his eyes,

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Sauron can hypnotize victims to induce
hallucinations. When he drains mutants, he

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absorbs their mutant powers temporarily, though
to a lesser extent than rogue. If he runs out of

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energy, he will revert back to his human form. The
extent of his intelligence while in pterodactyl

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mode varies. He typically retains his intellect
as Sauron Okay, so he is a little bit more going for

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him than I initially thought. Good. I also forgot
that he had a human form. I thought he was just full

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pterodactyl all the time. Nope. Initially, he was
supposed to be like a bat creature, but they

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couldn't get that past the comics code authority
because that would have been too vampire like. So

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the writers turned him into a pterodactyl, which
in turn influenced the entire savage land to be a

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prehistoric refuge. Interesting. Well, that
sounds like it would have been too close to Morbius

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anyway. Right, exactly. Well, now that we've
heard about Sauron, let's get to the character

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everyone's here for. Parasite. The earliest
individual to bear the name Parasite was Raymond

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Maxwell Jensen, a laborer whose exposure to
radioactive material at a research facility

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mutated his body into a parasitic organism
capable of absorbing life energy, memories, and

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powers through physical contact. Jensen
repeatedly confronted Superman, draining

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portions of Kryptonian power before his body
destabilized and disintegrated. Though

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believed destroyed multiple times, Jensen's
cells repeatedly reconstituted, establishing

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that a human body could persist as a living energy
absorbing entity. Years later, a new incarnation

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emerged in Rudolph Rudy Jones, a janitor employed
at the Pittsburgh branch of Star Labs. Believing

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valuable materials were hidden within secured
waste containers, Rudy forced one open and was

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exposed to experimental radiation. The accident
transformed him into a bald, green-skinned

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mutant whose body could no longer sustain itself
naturally. Rudy discovered that he had to drain

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life energy directly from other beings in order to
survive, leaving victims as burned-out

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skeletons. Unlike Jensen, Rudy's hunger was
constant and unavoidable, and without feeding,

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his body rapidly deteriorated. Rudy fled
confinement and became known as Parasite,

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quickly drawing the attention of Superman after
draining multiple victims. When Parasite made

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contact with Superman, he absorbed Kryptonian
energy on a massive scale, gaining superhuman

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strength, durability, and heightened
intelligence. As the stolen energy dissipated,

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Parasite weakened again, driving him to
repeatedly seek out Superman as his most potent

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source of sustenance. Parasite's earliest
confrontations with Superman were erratic and

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driven by immediate hunger. He was repeatedly
captured and incarcerated, only to escape as his

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absorption abilities weakened power systems and
guards alike. Attempts to stabilize or cure his

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condition failed, instead altering his
physiology. Medical interventions changed his

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skin color from green to purple, and expanded his
absorption capabilities to include non-living

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energy sources such as electricity and heat.
During a volatile standoff involving Firestorm,

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Parasite was deployed despite objections from
those overseeing the operation. Once released,

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he immediately lost control, feeding
indiscriminately and endangering multiple

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combatants. When he attacked Firestorm
directly, the disparity in power left Parasite

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severely injured and near death, though subdued,
Parasite later exhibited further psychological

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changes. Parasite's fixation on Superman
intensified during a crisis in which Superman

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struggled to contain an overload of solar energy.
The confrontation carried both beyond Earth,

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where Superman released a massive burst of heat
vision. Parasite absorbed the blast entirely,

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triggering a violent mutation that increased his
size and strength. In this state, he could drain

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inertia from moving objects and siphon energy
through mental contact, making telepathic

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attacks ineffective. The transformation also
increased his metabolic demands, forcing more

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frequent feeding. While imprisoned afterward,
Parasite absorbed a scientist tending to him,

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though he was not consumed completely, and
instead the mind of Dr. Torval Freeman remained

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within Parasite, significantly increasing his
intelligence. From that point forward, Parasite

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employed more calculated tactics, relying less
on uncontrolled rampage and more on planning and

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deception. Parasite later aligned himself with
other adversaries targeting Superman,

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repeatedly testing how his absorption
interacted with altered forms of Kryptonian

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power. In one encounter, Superman's unstable
energy nearly killed Parasite. In another,

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Parasite attempted to feed on Supergirl and was
defeated. These encounters informed Parasite's

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subsequent tactics and feeding strategies. A
significant change occurred when Parasite was

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contracted to drain excess electromagnetic
energy from an electrical being known as Strange

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Visitor. Exposure to this energy altered
Parasite permanently, allowing him to retain

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absorbed intellects and hold stolen power for
extended periods. Later, he absorbed a

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shapeshifter, getting the ability to replicate
victims perfectly at the genetic level,

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including voice, appearance, and biological
traits. With these abilities, Parasite shifted

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tactics. He stalked Lois Lane and Jimmy Olsen,
seeking leverage over Superman rather than

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immediate power. By posing as an elderly civilian
and engineering brief physical contact with

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Lois, Parasite confirmed Superman's secret
identity. He abducted Lois and replaced her,

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maintaining the impersonation through repeated
contact. During this period, Parasite provoked

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confrontations with Clark Kent and later struck
Superman while still disguised as Lois,

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revealing the deception. The scheme ended during
a physical assault on Superman. Over time,

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Parasite had unknowingly absorbed Kryptonite
radiation present in Superman's system. The

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accumulated poisoning overwhelmed him, made
flights, paralyzing, and killing him before he

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could disclose Lois' location. Superman later
recovered Lois from Parasite's hideout. Despite

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his apparent death, Parasite later resurfaced in
St. Rock, Louisiana. There, he used his abilities

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to temporarily drain other villains of their
powers in exchange for payment, allowing them to

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evade detection. Though his appearance and
speech differed noticeably from earlier

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encounters, he was confirmed to be Rudy Jones,
having regenerated from his apparent death.

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After the Flashpoint event reset continuity, a
new Parasite emerged in the form of Joshua Michael

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Allen, a courier living in Metropolis. Allen's
transformation began when he attacked a

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Parasitic creature during a battle,
electrocuting both it and himself. Though he

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survived, his body deteriorated rapidly. While
undergoing examination at Star Labs, an

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explosion killed the attending scientists and
transformed Allen into a skeletal, hairless

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organism that drained life energy
uncontrollably. Unable to endure the constant

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hunger, Allen attempted suicide, but Superman
intervened. Contact with Superman temporarily

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relieved his pain, initiating an obsession with
metahuman energy. Allen was imprisoned and later

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aligned with criminal groups to gain access to
stronger power sources. His abilities evolved,

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allowing power replication with minimal contact
and size increase, proportional to absorbed

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energy. Rudolph Rudy Jones later reappeared as
Parasite in this continuity, demonstrating

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greater caution than in earlier incarnations and
refusing to absorb energies he believed would

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destroy him. He was forcibly recruited into
suicide squad operations and deployed on a

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mission to capture the new Swamp Thing, during
which he fed on the green and was violently purged

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of the stolen energy, leaving him mutilated and
abandoned. Jones later returned under

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supervision, equipped with a device that
regulated his hunger and allowed limited

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employment. He assisted Superman during major
threats and was seemingly killed while fighting

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Doomsday, surviving by absorbing residual
energy. His most unstable mutation allowed him to

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divide into autonomous duplicates capable of
infecting other beings, increasing his threat

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level while also accelerating his physical
collapse. And that's Parasites. Powers-wise,

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Parasite absorbs life energy, memories, skills,
and superhuman abilities through physical

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contact and can train non-living energy sources
such as electricity, heat, and solar radiation.

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Absorbed power temporarily enhances his
strength, durability, size, and intellect

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before dissipating, requiring continual
feeding. He can perfectly mimic victims down to

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their DNA and regenerate. Later incarnations
could also divide into duplicates, though he

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inherits the weakness of those he drains,
including vulnerability to kryptonite when

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absorbing kryptonian energy and excessive
absorption destabilizes his body. That's

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Parasite. Why didn't I know that he has
shapeshifting abilities? He didn't always have

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them. He only attained them because he absorbed a
shapeshifter for a time. But does he consistently

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have shapeshifting abilities now? Maybe. Okay,
fucking dumb. It is unique that he's actually one

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of the few energy absorbers that can shapeshift.
Like, Rogue can't do that. Well, no, his whole body

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is just weird, though. He's almost like Clayface
in a way in a few iterations where he's just like

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this amorphous blob almost. Can you describe the
version you're going with for this match a little

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bit better? Yeah, sure. I mean, he's going to start
off in like a normal humanoid-ish size and

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physique, but of course purple in color. Okay. All
right, that works for me. I don't think we've ever

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put two energy absorbers against each other. Like
the most recent match we did was with Sebastian

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Shaw, but that was against Mandel Savage, and of
course we've done Rogue and Superboy. So I have no

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idea how this is going to end, but let's find out.
Did we think this battle through enough? Like,

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they're both energy absorbers. What are they
going to absorb from each other? The ability to

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got the characters, histories, and abilities out
of the way, let's speculate on how one of the 1000

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simulated matches will go. The winners
determined by simulations, not the speculation,

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but it's fun to imagine how this fight could play
out. AG9K, what are the rules of our speculation?

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Well I should say there are no rules, other than the
characters have no prior knowledge of the other

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going into the fight. All they are aware of
starting out is that the other character is a

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threat that needs to be eliminated. For the
speculation, the contestants will begin

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approximately 50 meters apart in a nondescript
environment that will have no bearing on the match

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itself, as no environmental statistics are
considered in my simulations. The contestants

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must earn victory on their own merit. Alright
then, let's get into it. Parasite and Sauron meet

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on the battlefield? Who goes first? I'm actually
guessing Parasite might go first, because at his

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base level, he's probably not as intelligent or as
calculating as Sauron is. Basically, Parasite,

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he's just gonna be hungry, so he is going to lunge
for Sauron, grabbing one of his wings, and

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draining his life energy, as well as his
intellect. You think that Parasite can cover that

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distance of 50 meters between them before Sauron
takes to the sky? I don't think that's gonna

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happen. Parasite's not gonna be able to touch
Sauron, and while Sauron's looking down on

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Parasite from the air, he's gonna use his gaze to
hypnotize Parasite into a trance that keeps him

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still. And with Parasite just standing there,
Sauron's gonna land down behind him and grab his

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skull with both hands and just drain his life
energy. Well, I mean, Sauron's physical contact

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would actually allow Parasite to drain him as
well, though. And this match is over. They just

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both drain each other to death forever,
apparently. Well, I mean, I imagine there would be

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some kind of energy feedback loop that would
probably cause both of them to overload and be

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violently repelled from each other, like an
explosive force. So now Parasite is like 15 feet

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tall, inject with a huge mouth of razor sharp teeth
and wings. That doesn't sound right to me. I don't

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actually think Parasite would gain any benefit
from absorption if that energy is just going back

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and forth between him and Sauron. My guess is that
they wouldn't overload by touching each other,

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because where would that excess energy come from?
Like, they're absorbers, they're not

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generators. I think that it would actually be a net
energy gain for each side, like nothing would

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happen. So absorption alone probably wouldn't be
a factor in this match. They'd have to resort to

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other abilities. But I mean, Parasite gets larger
by absorbing any energy. Like maybe he wouldn't

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get the wings or any of Sauron's unique abilities,
but the energy moving through him, I think, would

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make him smarter and stronger. What? Why? Like,
you don't get any energy that Parasite absorbs

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would be taken from him via Sauron's absorption.
Okay. Okay. So how would Sauron defeat Parasite

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then? Easy. Sauron rips Parasite's face off with
his claws, obviously. Okay. So you mean he

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physically touches him? Awesome. With each
slash, Parasite is just going to get stronger. But

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Sauron would also get stronger with each slash
two. You know what, we got to find a way for them to

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actually absorb each other. That's the only way
this is going to work. But we'll say that the one who

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is absorbing is the one who initiated the contact.
So they can't touch each other. The one who's doing

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the strike is the one that absorbs. Does that make
sense? How about that? So we'll go back to the

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initial narrative where Sauron takes to the air
hypnotizes Parasite into submission and then

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lands behind him and then drains him with his
claws. So this is going to leave Parasite weakened

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because he's not going to be absorbing from
Sauron's touch. And then Sauron is just going to

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fry Parasite to a crisp with his flame breath,
finishing him off. Okay. So Parasite will just

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absorb the thermal energy from the flame. And
that's going to restore him probably beyond what

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he started out as because I'm going to say Sauron
emitted much more energy than he drained. What? So

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now Parasite is, we'll say he's like eight foot
jacked monster who uses his longer reach to grab

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Sauron by the wrists, draining his energy because
he's the one who initiated the contact while also

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spreading Sauron's arms apart until they pop from
the sockets. All right. But while Parasite is

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holding Sauron's arms out, he's going to kick his
legs forward and snatch Parasite by the chest with

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his talons. And he's going to start draining back
the energy that Parasite stole from him. That's

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going to cause Parasite to let go of Sauron's
wrists. So Parasite loses energy. He shrinks down

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in withers. He's sees what the game is here. He's
going to put some distance between them. So he's

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going to fly like 50, 100 yards away. And he's just
going to start tearing up the environment below

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him, like slashing out the ground, tearing it up
into like small chunks of earth. You know, he's

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could lift 10 tons. He's strong enough, but he's
going to pick up some of these chunks and then fly

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into the air and then just start dropping and
pelting Parasite with the stones, basically

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stoning him to death because he knows he has to keep
his distance and Parasite can't do anything Okay,

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except in the brief moment Parasite held Sauron,
he caught glimpses of some of Sauron's memories,

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particularly of Tanya. So with the last amount of
his energy, Parasite is going to transform it to

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her. And that's going to trick Sauron's
animalistic brain and prevent him from attacking

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her with the stones. And when Sauron flies down to
meet her, that's when Parasite is just going to

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grab him by the throat and drain him. And he's going
to gain wings in the process. So he flies up to the

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sky holding Sauron by the neck. And when Sauron
becomes so drained that he reverts back to human

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form, that's when Parasite is going to drop him,
causing Carl to fall to his death. Match over. That

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was a pretty solid move. But I'm going to say that
right before turning back into Carl, Sauron with

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the last of his strength just rips out Parasites
throughout with his beak while they're flying in

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the air. So Parasite, you know, he's in pain. He
drops Sauron who glides safely to the ground, but

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Parasite crashes down and then bleeds out. Wait,
so you're saying that Sauron did that with the last

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of his energy? So he still reverts to human form and
still fell when Parasite let go? I'll allow this. I

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didn't mean it was like the last last of his energy.
I mean, he still had some in the tank, you know, he

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was running on fumes, basically. But he could
still do it. Parasite could use some of his stored

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energy to actually regenerate. You know, he's
come back from death that way several times. Yep.

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But the key phrase there of what you just said is
that he died, meaning Sauron wins, meaning match

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over. No, because I mean, what really happened is
that he dropped Carl. So, well, we'll leave the

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match there. This was a tricky one. Either
Parasite absorbed so much of Sauron's energy

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while flying up in the air that he causes Sauron to
revert back to Carl and then drop some down to the

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ground, or Sauron, before reverting back into
human, rips out Parasite's throat and Parasite

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dies that way. Not likely. We'll go ahead and input
the character stats, run the simulations, and

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come back with a winner. AJ9K hit it. Inputting
data, running calculations, processing

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results, simulations complete. All right, whose
idea was this matchup? Was it yours, Jonathan?

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Because I feel like it was one of yours. It may have
been mine, and I think I'm realizing why now we kept

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pushing this match off. This was not easy
considering Parasite's stats are so fluid and

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variable. Yeah, really, Parasite is only as good
as the character he's going up against. When he

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goes up against huge powerhouses like Superman,
his stats are off the charts. But when he's going up

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against someone like mid-level, I would describe
Sauron as, you know, Parasite stats are

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mid-level. That being said, you can never know at
what given time what Parasite's stats are,

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because it's all based on how much energy he's
absorbed from his opponent. Basically, what

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we've done energy absorbers in the past, like
Rogue or Sebastian Shaw, will average their stats

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between their base level and their potential. So
that's what we did here. Now, Parasite has some

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pretty impressive feats in the comics, but
considering that Sauron is not as powerful, like

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you mentioned, as Superman or someone even like
Firestorm, and on top of that, basically has the

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same abilities as Parasite in terms of
absorption, this didn't really go in my favor, I

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feel like. Well, Parasite really had one main
thing going for him over Sauron, and I believe that

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was durability. Yeah, base level durability for
Parasite is fairly high. But Sauron, you know, he

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had the intellect thing going for him. He had the
versatility because not only can he, you know,

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slash you with his talons, burn you with his
fireballs or shoot you with energy or hypnotize

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you, he has like all this shit going for him outside
of just the power of absorption. Whereas Parasite

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doesn't, he has to actually absorb the ability
before he has it. So with all that said, Jonathan,

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who do you think is winning this match? Well, let's
see, I'm hopeful. Just as our Instagram followers

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are, 62% of them voted in favor of Parasite in the
poll that we put up on Instagram. Well, I think a lot

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of those poll takers are probably considering the
fact that Parasite is a Superman villain, so

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they're putting him at Superman levels without
actually considering exactly how his powers work

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in any singular matchup. But let's see if I'm
right. AJ9K, the results please. Here you are,

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sir. Alright, the winner between Parasite and
Sauron is Sauron. There's only one Lord of the

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Rings and he does not share power, not even with
Parasite. Because out of the 1000 matches that

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they fought, Sauron won a whopping 662, damn,
whereas Parasite only won 338, so 66.2% over

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33.8%. I'm not surprised by this, I'm hurt for
sure, but not surprised. Although I feel like a lot

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of people will be. Yeah, well, really Jonathan,
what you needed to do was have Parasite go up in a

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match with Superman and drain all of his energy and
then go into this match with Sauron where he would

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have just wiped the floor with the dinosaur. But
since that is not really something that we do in

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this podcast, yeah, Parasite just basically ate
ass. Did you say he ate ass? Or ate shit? That's what

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I meant to say. Ew, so you're saying Parasite ate
Sauron's ass? Oh my god, get over it, you're so

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obsessed with this, just move on. I already know
you're running visuals in your head and

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everything. Well, let's leave it on that note.
That'll do it for this duel. AJ9K, help close this

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