The Marvels Review

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I liked the movie. I went in with no expectations. 23 00:02:30,602 --> 00:02:35,503 I was still underwhelmed. That makes you a hater, because everybody literally felt the same way 24 00:02:35,523 --> 00:02:40,704 about the Flash movie and Blue Beetle, and if you can't be fair to this movie when you gave 25 00:02:40,744 --> 00:02:45,106 those movies like four and a half stars, that makes you a piece of crap. Geez, you don't 26 00:02:45,126 --> 00:02:51,827 gotta say it like it is, Marge. Yeah, just saying it as it is. We'll talk about the movie later 27 00:02:51,847 --> 00:02:55,128 on this episode. Before that, we're gonna break down the latest comic book movie news to come 28 00:02:55,168 --> 00:03:02,131 out this past week, including the news that Deadpool 3... Captain America 4, Blade, Thunderbolts, 29 00:03:02,371 --> 00:03:06,914 and Venom 3 have all gotten new release dates, and we're going to talk about the first official 30 00:03:06,954 --> 00:03:11,997 teaser for the Dead Boy Detectives television show. As always, we list our segment times 31 00:03:12,017 --> 00:03:15,358 in our episode description, so feel free to check out the show notes if you want to skip 32 00:03:15,398 --> 00:03:20,701 ahead to a particular topic. As our listeners may know, our duel simulator is so advanced 33 00:03:20,961 --> 00:03:25,484 that it's gained sentience, and has named itself the Artificial Lifeform for running extensive 34 00:03:25,524 --> 00:03:32,628 duels, just a rather very intelligent simulator. 9000 or Alfred Jarvis 9000. He has a quick 35 00:03:32,688 --> 00:03:39,264 message for our listeners. So listen up. Why hello there. Do you love listening and chatting 36 00:03:39,284 --> 00:03:44,450 about Marvel and DC? 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But with that out of the way, quick to the no prize! A no-prize 52 00:05:23,834 --> 00:05:28,955 is an award Marvel used to give out to fans. Our version, the Dynamic Dual No Prize, is 53 00:05:28,995 --> 00:05:33,576 a digital award we post on Instagram and in our email newsletter for the person that we 54 00:05:33,616 --> 00:05:38,578 feel gave the best answer to our question of the week. Last week's question we asked, which 55 00:05:38,818 --> 00:05:43,879 not currently existing MCU character would you like to see get their own mini-series under 56 00:05:43,919 --> 00:05:48,841 the Marvel Spotlight banner and why? And this is coming off of the news that the Echo television 57 00:05:48,881 --> 00:05:54,974 series on Disney Plus will be under a new Marvel Spotlight banner that focuses on stories that 58 00:05:55,014 --> 00:05:59,055 are disconnected from the larger MCU narrative. Got a lot of great answers, let's go ahead 59 00:05:59,095 --> 00:06:02,917 and run down our honorable mentions as well as the no prize winner. Our first honorable 60 00:06:02,957 --> 00:06:09,858 mention goes to Rick McGrew, who said, Hey guys, Rick from the Retro Nomopod. The character 61 00:06:09,878 --> 00:06:14,560 I would choose for a Marvel character not in the MCU currently that would get their own 62 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:19,701 series would be Mr. Sinister. He's been involved in a lot of major events and kind of always 63 00:06:19,721 --> 00:06:26,096 been in the shadows. and he was even mentioned kind of in New Mutants the movie, but he'd 64 00:06:26,136 --> 00:06:31,399 be my pick, Mr. Sinister. Yeah, that's a great answer. Mr. Sinister is a major X-Men villain 65 00:06:31,599 --> 00:06:37,182 and with the X-Men characters kind of up and coming or soon to come into the MCU, I think 66 00:06:37,222 --> 00:06:41,445 it'd be a great idea to kind of explore some of these characters within the Marvel Spotlight 67 00:06:41,465 --> 00:06:45,847 banner before introducing them as threats in the X-Men movies. Yeah, we haven't done a dual 68 00:06:45,887 --> 00:06:51,106 episode yet with Mr. Sinister and that's a shame. Yeah, that is a crime. Seven years! And how 69 00:06:51,126 --> 00:06:56,070 do you do that without Mr. Sinister matchup? Weird! I don't know. Who would he go up against 70 00:06:56,110 --> 00:07:01,855 though? That's not my problem. That's the executive producer's problem. Hahaha! Great answer, Rick. 71 00:07:02,115 --> 00:07:07,660 Our next honorable mention goes to... Travis Herndon, who said... Hey guys, Travis here. 72 00:07:07,680 --> 00:07:12,564 So my pick would have to be KZarr. I know he's a D-list hero, but I feel like you can do an 73 00:07:12,624 --> 00:07:19,640 interesting story following him. him introducing the Savage lands into the MCU as well as introducing 74 00:07:19,800 --> 00:07:25,423 other characters like Moon Boy and Devil Dinosaur into the MCU. I feel like there's a lot of 75 00:07:25,463 --> 00:07:31,126 potential with him in bringing in something as crazy as the Savage land lands into the 76 00:07:31,166 --> 00:07:37,190 MCU finally will be an interesting world building experience. So yeah. Yeah, Kezar is a great 77 00:07:37,250 --> 00:07:41,012 idea for Marvel Spotlight Banner, especially since his stories take place in the Savage 78 00:07:41,052 --> 00:07:45,554 land, which is all the way down in Antarctica. And really like. When is the MCU ever going 79 00:07:45,574 --> 00:07:51,338 to go down and explore Antarctica? The continent is largely, you know, isolated, and so therefore 80 00:07:51,398 --> 00:07:55,301 the stories of the savage land could also be largely isolated. I think it's a fantastic 81 00:07:55,381 --> 00:08:01,265 answer, especially since it's kind of a way to incorporate these like Jurassic Park type 82 00:08:01,465 --> 00:08:06,649 elements with like the dinosaurs and the jungle and everything into the MCU, which we haven't 83 00:08:06,669 --> 00:08:10,638 really seen before. Yeah, we really haven't seen that anywhere outside of Jurassic Park. 84 00:08:10,818 --> 00:08:15,920 And I actually know who would be a perfect duel matchup for Kezar if we ever did that duel. 85 00:08:16,260 --> 00:08:20,441 Commandee. Yeah. Oh, for sure. Yeah, that's perfect. Maybe one day we'll get around to 86 00:08:20,461 --> 00:08:24,982 that. Obviously, Mr. Sinister would be a priority over Kezar, but Kezar is a cool character. 87 00:08:25,122 --> 00:08:30,524 It would be cool to even pair him up in like a team duel alongside Shanna the She-Devil. 88 00:08:30,544 --> 00:08:35,865 You know what's crazy though is that Dustin Balcom gave this exact same answer of Kezar. 89 00:08:36,322 --> 00:08:41,324 So apparently, Kaiser has a lot of fans out there. We need to capitalize on that soon with 90 00:08:41,364 --> 00:08:46,407 a duel. I'm all for it. Let's do it. Great answer, Travis and Dustin. Our final honorable mention 91 00:08:46,467 --> 00:08:53,051 goes to Luke Tucker, who said, Hey guys, this is Luke. And I would like to see a Sentry miniseries 92 00:08:53,211 --> 00:08:57,873 under the Marvel Spotlight banner. I think with the darker themes and more mature tone that 93 00:08:57,933 --> 00:09:02,676 it's setting up, we could really go into the backstory of Robert Reynolds as a meth addict 94 00:09:03,016 --> 00:09:07,727 who finds the golden Sentry serum and becomes a superhero. who's kind of like Marvel's answer 95 00:09:07,747 --> 00:09:12,270 to Superman. I think with him rumored to appear in the Thunderbolts movie, it'd be a perfect 96 00:09:12,290 --> 00:09:17,455 time to do this. All right, thanks guys. Finally, someone we have done a duel with, right? We 97 00:09:17,515 --> 00:09:22,098 recently did a duel with the Sentry against General Zod, which was a pretty good episode. 98 00:09:22,479 --> 00:09:26,762 I think this is a fantastic answer. The rumor is that the Sentry is going to be the primary 99 00:09:26,802 --> 00:09:32,410 villain of the Thunderbolts movie, as Luke said, but the Sentry... really has a great enough 100 00:09:32,471 --> 00:09:37,534 story that deserves its own project outside of just being, you know, relegated to villain 101 00:09:37,574 --> 00:09:42,918 status in another film. I think the Sentry is a phenomenal, if not a perfect candidate for 102 00:09:42,958 --> 00:09:47,961 a Marvel Spotlight banner series. Yeah, the answers we've received so far, I think this 103 00:09:48,021 --> 00:09:53,005 one has the most likelihood of actually happening considering the rumors that he's in Thunderbolts. 104 00:09:53,605 --> 00:09:56,347 Right. Yeah, I think they would actually be doing the character of the 105 00:10:00,158 --> 00:10:05,059 a substantial amount of time to his story, apart from the Thunderbolts story. Cause right, in 106 00:10:05,099 --> 00:10:09,640 the Thunderbolts movie, you want to see more of like the team dynamic, not necessarily the 107 00:10:09,680 --> 00:10:15,462 villain, maybe I could be wrong, but yeah, I think a century mini series would be fantastic. 108 00:10:15,882 --> 00:10:20,163 So great answer, Luke. We want to give a quick shout out to Andrew Shunk and Nate Mantineo 109 00:10:20,183 --> 00:10:24,964 for also leaving your answers. Although Andrew Shunk was like, Marvel sucks. Let's do a Marvel 110 00:10:25,004 --> 00:10:30,742 spotlight show for a DC character cause Marvel sucks. And uh, Yeah, great answer. That was 111 00:10:30,762 --> 00:10:38,866 not a great answer. But the winner of this week's Snow Prize is Colby Hentges, who said, hey, 112 00:10:38,886 --> 00:10:45,329 boys, Colby Hentges, I'd like to see Marvel Spotlight in part fix Marvel's villain problem. 113 00:10:45,849 --> 00:10:51,452 Give me a backstory. Give me the motivation. Give me the raison d'etre. That way, when they 114 00:10:51,472 --> 00:10:56,382 show up on the big screen at the end of some movie, everybody already knows what's up. I 115 00:10:56,422 --> 00:11:03,064 want Marvel Spotlight to give me Victor Von Doom. Hell yes, bro. This is the perfect answer, 116 00:11:03,144 --> 00:11:08,907 right? Victor Von Doom, Dr. Doom, one of the greatest, if not the greatest, Marvel villain 117 00:11:09,087 --> 00:11:14,769 in all of Marvel history. Absolutely has yet to be done justice on the big screen for one, 118 00:11:15,069 --> 00:11:22,032 but also has a fascinating backstory on his own that should be explored in a project separate 119 00:11:22,052 --> 00:11:25,454 from a Fantastic Four movie. Kind of like how the Loki television series, You know, Loki's 120 00:11:25,474 --> 00:11:30,395 such a fascinating character. He got his own show. I think Dr. Doom is definitely worthy 121 00:11:30,475 --> 00:11:35,056 of getting his own show. Yeah, Dr. Doom, and actually, I think a lot of MCU villains would 122 00:11:35,076 --> 00:11:39,938 be good enough to get their own series, which would help their villain problem. I think that 123 00:11:40,038 --> 00:11:43,759 the villain for the film we're gonna review later on in this episode, the Marvel's Darben, 124 00:11:44,139 --> 00:11:48,480 yeah, give her own thing. That way we learn a little bit more about the backstory and lead 125 00:11:48,520 --> 00:11:54,442 up to this film. Darben was only like an eight. issues of the comic book, so I don't know if 126 00:11:54,462 --> 00:11:58,804 she even has enough backstory to explore in her own television show. I dunno, make it a 127 00:11:58,864 --> 00:12:03,306 Hollis series then, I don't care. Just more. Yeah, yeah. A Kree series, yeah, that could 128 00:12:03,326 --> 00:12:08,168 work. But it wouldn't work as well as Doctor Doom. Doctor Doom needs to have his own Marvel 129 00:12:08,288 --> 00:12:12,750 spotlight series, enough said. So great answer, Colby, for winning this week's No Prize. If 130 00:12:12,770 --> 00:12:16,511 you, the listener, want a shot at winning your own No Prize, stay tuned to later on this episode 131 00:12:16,531 --> 00:12:21,613 when we'll be asking another Question of the Week. And now that that's done, on to the news! 132 00:12:27,182 --> 00:12:32,103 Alright this past week the SAG-AFTRA strike with the studios ended, actors are allowed 133 00:12:32,143 --> 00:12:37,864 to go back to work, but due to the length of the strike, both the writer strike and the 134 00:12:37,944 --> 00:12:41,766 actor strike, we have some new release dates to report. A lot of things got pushed back 135 00:12:41,926 --> 00:12:48,947 and I'm not happy about it. Damn studios. But um, the Deadpool movie was the first victim. 136 00:12:49,528 --> 00:12:54,229 The movie was supposed to come out on May 3rd. It was supposed to open up the summer movie 137 00:12:54,289 --> 00:13:00,225 season in 2024. It's been pushed back to the middle of summer and will now come out on July 138 00:13:00,305 --> 00:13:06,110 26th. This was my most anticipated upcoming Marvel movie, so to see it get pushed back 139 00:13:06,150 --> 00:13:09,933 like this is heartbreaking because I'm really impatient and I don't want to wait an additional 140 00:13:09,973 --> 00:13:15,898 few months but you know, such is the life of a comic book movie fan. Am I right? I mean, 141 00:13:15,938 --> 00:13:21,963 not a DC fan, Superman Legacy kept its release date. Well, good for you, that's still not 142 00:13:21,983 --> 00:13:27,967 coming out until 2025 so I'm not even thinking about that right now. The July 26th release 143 00:13:28,007 --> 00:13:32,730 date was originally held by Captain America Brave New World. That movie got pushed back 144 00:13:32,770 --> 00:13:39,954 to 2025 on Valentine's Day, February 14th. Another movie to get pushed back into 2025 is The Thunderbolts, 145 00:13:39,994 --> 00:13:45,277 which was originally going to come out around Christmas time on December 20th, 2024. That's 146 00:13:45,297 --> 00:13:49,640 now going to come out in the middle of the summer of the next year on July 25th. And the final 147 00:13:49,680 --> 00:13:55,023 casualty for Marvel Studios is Blade. Seemingly this movie is never gonna come out. I think 148 00:13:55,043 --> 00:14:00,187 this is like the fifth or sixth delay that it's received, but the movie was originally gonna 149 00:14:00,207 --> 00:14:07,052 come out on Valentine's Day 2025, and is now coming out at the end of the year on November 150 00:14:07,152 --> 00:14:14,357 7th, 2025. So that's all horrible news. In addition to Marvel Studios, Sony also had to push back 151 00:14:14,397 --> 00:14:21,402 their release of Venom 3, which was originally gonna come out July 12th, 2024. but got pushed 152 00:14:21,422 --> 00:14:26,464 back to the end of the year on November 8th, 2024. A lot of bullcrap for, you know, something 153 00:14:26,504 --> 00:14:32,006 that I feel like could have been solved simply, you know. But that being said, I don't have 154 00:14:32,026 --> 00:14:37,048 any skin in the game. I don't know what I'm talking about. Yeah, no, you don't. I'm actually 155 00:14:37,088 --> 00:14:43,191 surprised to hear that some of those release dates were relatively soon. Like Venom three, 156 00:14:43,431 --> 00:14:47,572 I don't know. They had planned on releasing that next summer. Yeah, just a few months after, 157 00:14:47,732 --> 00:14:51,714 you know, Deadpool three, which was the soonest movie. that was gonna come out that got pushed 158 00:14:51,754 --> 00:14:56,116 back. I don't know what is now gonna open the summer movie season. I don't know if anything's 159 00:14:56,136 --> 00:15:01,598 gonna take that May 3rd place. Something will, obviously, but it would have been nice to have 160 00:15:01,658 --> 00:15:06,440 Deadpool there. These delays are like all too common now ever since the days of COVID. And 161 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:10,282 I guess even before that, you know, these things get delayed all the time. It's just always 162 00:15:10,602 --> 00:15:14,363 difficult to report on. It just means that I'm gonna be that much older when I do finally 163 00:15:14,403 --> 00:15:20,698 get around to seeing the movie, you know? Yeah, you're gonna be like 40 Jeez, almost. I'm not 164 00:15:20,718 --> 00:15:25,379 even thinking about 2025 right now. You know, the days are long, the years are short. Hopefully 165 00:15:25,899 --> 00:15:30,581 these movies will be with us before we know it. I think the biggest downer regarding this 166 00:15:30,621 --> 00:15:36,142 news is just that this phase bore of Marvel that it's going through is just going to go 167 00:15:36,182 --> 00:15:41,964 on longer. You know, like get to Secret Wars already. Restart this shit. Why don't you shut 168 00:15:42,004 --> 00:15:46,685 the hell up? We are no longer in phase four. We are in phase five. You don't know what the 169 00:15:46,745 --> 00:15:54,409 hell you're talking about. Phase five. More like phase. I got nothing. More like phase 170 00:15:54,849 --> 00:16:00,572 dive or die. The day is dying. That's better. No, that no, that doesn't work. Dragon try 171 00:16:00,592 --> 00:16:06,636 to get some other time. All right. I guess DC did have one delay. Creature Commandos was 172 00:16:06,676 --> 00:16:12,239 supposed to come out in 2024, but I guess that may get pushed back to 2025. I'm not sure if 173 00:16:12,259 --> 00:16:17,662 that's official yet, but that's the rumor. But in other DC television news. We got to our 174 00:16:17,722 --> 00:16:24,588 first official teaser for the Dead Boy Detectives, which is going to premiere on Netflix. Originally, 175 00:16:24,608 --> 00:16:29,292 this was a show that was going to be made for Max. But since it was not within the vision 176 00:16:29,732 --> 00:16:35,697 of James Gunn and Peter Safran's new DC universe, they pushed it to Netflix and they're making 177 00:16:35,757 --> 00:16:41,174 it a part of the same universe as the Sandman series, because the Dead Boy Detectives. written 178 00:16:41,194 --> 00:16:45,475 by Neil Gaiman and they first debuted within the Sandman comic so it makes sense. I'm actually 179 00:16:45,575 --> 00:16:51,477 happy that it's going to be in the same universe as the Sandman because the Sandman was freaking 180 00:16:51,517 --> 00:16:56,698 amazing. I loved that series. I can't wait for season two and I think the Dead Boy Detectives 181 00:16:56,718 --> 00:17:01,820 will be a good holdover until we get that second season. Of course, if you've been watching 182 00:17:01,940 --> 00:17:06,101 the Doom Patrol, you're very familiar with the Dead Boy Detectives. They appeared in season 183 00:17:06,141 --> 00:17:10,556 two of that show. And I actually really liked the episode. I thought they did a really good 184 00:17:10,596 --> 00:17:15,660 job of interpreting the dead boy detectives for the screen. I was hoping that they were 185 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:19,944 gonna stick with the same cast of characters, and that may have been the original plan, but 186 00:17:19,964 --> 00:17:25,328 it looks like they went a different route for this Netflix show. Yeah, I knew nothing about 187 00:17:25,368 --> 00:17:30,993 the dead boy detectives prior to that episode on Doom Patrol season two. I thought they were 188 00:17:31,013 --> 00:17:35,276 actually really compelling characters watching that episode. But after watching this trailer, 189 00:17:35,456 --> 00:17:43,598 I think the opposite. trailer sucked. It definitely had a vibe of its own that really didn't make 190 00:17:43,638 --> 00:17:48,821 it feel like it was set in the same world as Sandman. It still feels quite a bit like Doom 191 00:17:48,841 --> 00:17:54,105 Patrol, and I feel like this may almost be like a replacement for that show's wackiness now 192 00:17:54,125 --> 00:17:58,928 that the Doom Patrol is coming to an end with its fourth and final season. I can't say I 193 00:17:59,429 --> 00:18:04,432 really care too much for the actors they chose for Charles and Edwin this time, but again, 194 00:18:04,472 --> 00:18:10,231 this is just a teaser. It's a short one. a minute and 20 seconds long, so maybe I'm judging prematurely. 195 00:18:10,711 --> 00:18:16,074 We'll see. I guess my major gripe is that on Doom Patrol, the characters look like how they 196 00:18:16,114 --> 00:18:20,696 do in the comic books, because I looked up what they look like in the comic books. One's blonde, 197 00:18:20,796 --> 00:18:25,758 one's brunette, they have very different vibes going on. But literally, the actors who play 198 00:18:25,778 --> 00:18:31,641 the dead boy detectives in this Netflix series could be twins. They look so much alike in 199 00:18:31,681 --> 00:18:36,912 their faces, and it throws me off. That's fair. I actually thought the very same thing the 200 00:18:36,932 --> 00:18:41,296 first time I saw this. I was like, wait, which one is Charles? Which one is Edwin? They look 201 00:18:41,396 --> 00:18:47,442 way too similar to be in the same fucking show together. That's really bad casting. I also 202 00:18:47,462 --> 00:18:52,667 didn't care for the casting of Crystal Palace either. Maybe it was just because she said 203 00:18:52,687 --> 00:19:00,546 that the name Dead Boy Detectives was stupid. And I was like, fuck you. No, it's not. Obviously, 204 00:19:00,586 --> 00:19:04,048 it's the coolest name ever. The entire premise is right there in the title, just like something 205 00:19:04,068 --> 00:19:08,810 like Robocop, you know? It's a great name. Exactly. Right. Plus, I think it's bad form just to 206 00:19:08,870 --> 00:19:13,053 do that in the teaser for the show, where you're supposed to be getting people pumped up about 207 00:19:13,113 --> 00:19:17,515 it. And the character within the series is like, oh, yeah, this is dumb. Like, don't do that. 208 00:19:17,995 --> 00:19:22,438 Yeah, it doesn't do a great job of actually selling the show, right? Not at all. What does 209 00:19:22,458 --> 00:19:27,140 do a good job of selling the show is sort of seeing like the ghost aspects of the characters, 210 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,894 like when they run through walls and stuff like that. That's gonna be interesting. And you 211 00:19:30,914 --> 00:19:35,017 know, the premise that they're running from death is also pretty interesting. Although 212 00:19:35,057 --> 00:19:39,939 I wonder if they're gonna go with death from Sandman in this series. If it's part of the 213 00:19:39,959 --> 00:19:45,322 Sandman universe, they kind of need to. Right, oh, that's a great question. Yeah, we know 214 00:19:45,362 --> 00:19:50,005 that death was played by Kirby Halle-Baptiste in the Sandman series. If they go with someone 215 00:19:50,085 --> 00:19:55,368 else, then that likely means that this show is not actually in the Sandman series continuity, 216 00:19:55,468 --> 00:20:00,543 right? Right, exactly. We'll see who they go with. They do mention during the teaser that 217 00:20:00,583 --> 00:20:05,006 this is not only part of the Sandman universe, but also brought to you from the producers 218 00:20:05,127 --> 00:20:10,671 of You and The Flight Attendant, which are both fantastic shows. So I think that bodes really 219 00:20:10,711 --> 00:20:15,494 well for the series. Allegedly fantastic, I've never seen either of them. They're good. I've 220 00:20:15,534 --> 00:20:18,797 seen both of them, they're great. I don't know if we're going to be reviewing the series. 221 00:20:18,937 --> 00:20:23,540 We'll talk to the executive producers about it, and we'll let you guys know, I guess, as 222 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:27,772 we get closer to the show's release date. Yeah, we don't actually have a release date for the 223 00:20:27,812 --> 00:20:34,520 series yet, but I'm guessing it's coming sometime early 2024. But in regards to this show of 224 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:38,725 characters set within the Sandman universe, that brings us to our question of the week. 225 00:20:43,202 --> 00:20:48,486 What other characters from the Sandman Universe do you hope get their own series on Netflix? 226 00:20:49,066 --> 00:20:52,889 Record your answer at dynamicduel.com by clicking on the red microphone button in the bottom 227 00:20:52,929 --> 00:20:57,212 right hand corner of the screen, which will prompt you to leave us a voicemail. Your message 228 00:20:57,232 --> 00:21:00,695 could be up to 30 seconds long, and don't forget to leave your name in case we include you on 229 00:21:00,715 --> 00:21:04,978 the podcast. We'll pick our favorite answer and award that person a Dynamic Duel No Prize 230 00:21:05,258 --> 00:21:11,047 that we'll post to Instagram and our email newsletter. Be sure to answer before… November 25th. This 231 00:21:11,187 --> 00:21:14,871 question of the week is actually running a little bit longer because there won't be a question 232 00:21:14,911 --> 00:21:20,537 of the week in the next episode considering Jonathan is traveling for work. Right. So November 233 00:21:20,557 --> 00:21:24,722 25th, that's your cutoff date for this question. That gives everyone plenty of time to read 234 00:21:24,922 --> 00:21:30,127 all the Sandman comic books, which you should have done already because they're fantastic 235 00:21:30,668 --> 00:21:32,089 and come up with some character ideas. 236 00:21:39,394 --> 00:21:42,999 But that does it for all the news for this episode, so let's go ahead and move on to the main event, 237 00:21:43,499 --> 00:21:47,605 where we review the latest Marvel Studios theatrical release, The Marvels. 238 00:22:02,862 --> 00:22:07,664 Alright, The Marvels came out this past week, directed and co-written by Nia DaCosta and 239 00:22:07,764 --> 00:22:14,448 starring Brie Larson, Teyana Paris, and Iman Vellani. The film is a sequel to the 2019 film 240 00:22:14,508 --> 00:22:18,690 Captain Marvel, also starring Brie Larson as the titular character, but you could also say 241 00:22:18,710 --> 00:22:23,232 The Marvels is a sequel to the Secret Invasion Disney Plus television series, the WandaVision 242 00:22:23,272 --> 00:22:29,236 series, and the Ms. Marvel series. This movie follows up a lot of other stories, and if you're 243 00:22:29,356 --> 00:22:34,060 asking if it's necessary to have seen all of these shows before watching the film, I'm gonna 244 00:22:34,120 --> 00:22:39,224 say, kind of. You could probably skip Secret Invasion, but to really feel like you're not 245 00:22:39,264 --> 00:22:43,627 just jumping into the middle of a story, it's probably better to have seen the rest of the 246 00:22:43,667 --> 00:22:48,791 shows. That being said, this review is a spoiler review for the Marvels, but we'll probably 247 00:22:49,031 --> 00:22:53,302 also be dropping plot points from everything else that the movie follows. So here's your 248 00:22:53,342 --> 00:22:59,626 spoiler warning for the other stuff too. Again, Wandavision, Secret Invasion, and Ms. Marvel. 249 00:23:00,067 --> 00:23:04,030 Yeah, you got a lot of homework if you haven't been keeping up with the MCU recently. Yeah, 250 00:23:04,050 --> 00:23:07,552 I'm not gonna say the movie is impossible to follow if you haven't seen this other stuff, 251 00:23:07,792 --> 00:23:12,455 but I think you'll actually get a lot more enjoyment out of it if you do. Kind of like a lot of 252 00:23:12,495 --> 00:23:16,658 Marvel's other stuff that's heavily steeped in continuity, right? But the number of projects 253 00:23:16,678 --> 00:23:22,502 that this film follows is kind of the film's main downfall, is it not? Like, Totally, The 254 00:23:22,542 --> 00:23:26,964 Marvels tries to be as cohesive as it can, but you know, like the juvenile humorous world 255 00:23:26,984 --> 00:23:32,066 of Ms. Marvel is much different than like the scientific sort of odd background of Monica 256 00:23:32,106 --> 00:23:36,328 Rambeau's story in WandaVision, which was different than the kind of cosmic level adventures of 257 00:23:36,388 --> 00:23:41,290 Captain Marvel. You know, I won't say that the film fails in wrangling this all together in 258 00:23:41,370 --> 00:23:46,532 one package. I actually think that Nia DaCosta did an admirable job of compiling it all in 259 00:23:46,652 --> 00:23:52,411 one tone. But in terms of story, editing, and overall... pace, I'd say the film wasn't as 260 00:23:52,451 --> 00:23:57,255 successful. And this is like exacerbated by the fact that, you know, the story of the movie 261 00:23:57,295 --> 00:24:01,518 involves these characters jumping around and teleporting all over the place from one corner 262 00:24:01,538 --> 00:24:06,522 of the galaxy to the other. So it really gives you this whiplash feeling that never really 263 00:24:06,802 --> 00:24:11,726 leaves. Like even later on in the movie, I blinked and suddenly the Marvels were in some sort 264 00:24:11,746 --> 00:24:16,189 of like wheat field planet talking in one moment and in the next they're like across the universe 265 00:24:16,209 --> 00:24:21,625 toward Earth. between the actual swapping of the characters, the space jumping, like warp 266 00:24:21,725 --> 00:24:27,169 points factoring heavily into the story, and all the references to backstories that hopefully 267 00:24:27,209 --> 00:24:31,131 people have seen, you know, the story can feel like a lot to keep up with. And this is coming 268 00:24:31,171 --> 00:24:36,455 from me, a guy who I think has a pretty good handle on the MCU as a whole. I can't imagine 269 00:24:36,495 --> 00:24:40,722 how people who come into this movie fresh will react, you know, it can't be easy. Yeah, I 270 00:24:40,802 --> 00:24:45,084 honestly was wondering as I was watching the movie in the theater, how many audience members 271 00:24:45,204 --> 00:24:50,968 had seen everything and if any of them were lost. My wife certainly was, my daughters certainly 272 00:24:51,008 --> 00:24:55,551 were. Well that's because you're raising a DC household and you need to be exposing them 273 00:24:55,571 --> 00:24:59,813 to more Marvel stuff, I think, for, you know, their own health. They watched Loki with me, 274 00:24:59,833 --> 00:25:04,796 they actually liked Loki. They watched WandaVision, I believe, but it was so long ago that they 275 00:25:04,936 --> 00:25:09,575 really didn't remember much about it. I think the biggest detriment to the film in regards 276 00:25:09,635 --> 00:25:14,699 to all of this was the editing moves at a breakneck pace, way too fast, I think, for its own good. 277 00:25:14,799 --> 00:25:19,082 You know, the movie has the shortest runtime out of any Marvel Studios movie to date at 278 00:25:19,142 --> 00:25:24,426 just one hour and 45 minutes. I think if you clocked that up closer to two hours, you would 279 00:25:24,446 --> 00:25:30,510 have had a much more cohesive, understandable narrative that felt less bonkers. Yeah, I definitely 280 00:25:30,550 --> 00:25:35,053 think there was a lot of room to explore a lot of things that they really just brushed over. 281 00:25:35,273 --> 00:25:41,242 Like... Kamala Khan's eagerness to save Skrulls and the realization that her hero was, you 282 00:25:41,262 --> 00:25:45,244 know, a real person, you know, despite all of her power, couldn't save everyone. You know, 283 00:25:45,305 --> 00:25:49,408 I think they really could have explored that more. I think they really could have set up 284 00:25:49,428 --> 00:25:54,491 the film's villain a little bit more, maybe with even like a pre-title sequence to the 285 00:25:54,531 --> 00:25:58,694 story showing what they alluded to later on in the film of Captain Marvel destroying the 286 00:25:58,714 --> 00:26:03,614 Supreme Intelligence and things like that. Yeah, particularly when it came to The villain of 287 00:26:03,634 --> 00:26:09,598 the movie, Darben, a lot of her actions and motivations were explained in retrospect. Right? 288 00:26:09,738 --> 00:26:14,321 We had no idea what was going on with the jump points until the three Marvel's ladies figured 289 00:26:14,361 --> 00:26:18,944 it out. We didn't know what was happening. We didn't know why she was doing all this until 290 00:26:19,104 --> 00:26:22,706 we learned about the current state of Hala and how it got that way. You know, the movie just 291 00:26:22,726 --> 00:26:27,249 didn't do any favors for itself in terms of how it structured the narrative, how it edited 292 00:26:27,289 --> 00:26:33,092 it, and the pacing. Honestly, this film is sort of exactly what I feel like a lot of audience 293 00:26:33,112 --> 00:26:38,055 members are tired of when it comes to MCU films. It just feels like it's just too much to keep 294 00:26:38,095 --> 00:26:41,897 up with and it's a jumbled mess. I think this film is actually going to hurt Marvel down 295 00:26:41,917 --> 00:26:46,559 the line in terms of, you know, are people going to be interested in future MCU films or just 296 00:26:46,579 --> 00:26:51,122 feel like there's just too much homework? It's a valid concern. I don't think the movie is 297 00:26:51,162 --> 00:26:55,384 going to hurt the overall brand because all that being said regarding the film's messy 298 00:26:55,404 --> 00:26:59,586 structure, I actually had a lot of fun with the movie more so than other recent Marvel 299 00:26:59,606 --> 00:27:04,007 films like Ant-Man Quantumania and Guardians of the Galaxy 3, though I will definitely say 300 00:27:04,047 --> 00:27:08,348 that Guardians 3 was a better movie. A more somber movie that had some really sad moments, 301 00:27:08,528 --> 00:27:13,890 but obviously still a better movie. The Marvels was like a bubblegum sort of film whose only 302 00:27:13,930 --> 00:27:18,491 concern was to deliver a fun time, right? And in that regard, I think it succeeded. The action 303 00:27:18,531 --> 00:27:23,773 choreography was top notch. We saw some of the best camera work since the fight scene in the 304 00:27:23,793 --> 00:27:27,173 first Doctor Strange movie that happened in Hong Kong where everything was going backwards. 305 00:27:27,806 --> 00:27:31,788 I think the stunt team had the work cut out for them and the opening action scene where 306 00:27:31,808 --> 00:27:36,531 it was going between the three ladies at the Khan home, out in space, and on the Saber space 307 00:27:36,571 --> 00:27:40,794 station is probably some of the coolest stuff you'll ever see from Marvel Studios. The swapping 308 00:27:40,814 --> 00:27:45,357 gimmick was a great way to present superhero action in a new and interesting way. Although 309 00:27:45,377 --> 00:27:51,300 I'm still confused how that was set up. So essentially their powers became entangled because Captain 310 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:57,463 Marvel and Monika Rambeau We're near a jump point at the same time. And Kamala Khan is 311 00:27:57,523 --> 00:28:01,584 using one half of the quantum band that caused all the chaos to begin with. Oh, I mean, that's 312 00:28:01,604 --> 00:28:07,225 all bullshit. You know, the science reasoning behind the swapping, I think, is one of the 313 00:28:07,285 --> 00:28:12,067 flimsiest things about the film. OK, good. It's not just me then. Right. Monika Rambeau rationalized 314 00:28:12,127 --> 00:28:16,928 it as quantum entanglement, but they already used quantum entanglement in the Ant-Man and 315 00:28:16,948 --> 00:28:22,670 the Wasp movie. Right. And in that movie, it was a way for Michelle Pfeiffer's Janet Van 316 00:28:22,710 --> 00:28:27,972 Dyne character to communicate telepathically through Scott Lang's character. But here, it's 317 00:28:27,992 --> 00:28:33,115 a physical teleportation, so apparently quantum entanglement can result in all sort of manner 318 00:28:33,155 --> 00:28:37,637 of effects in the MCU. But you know, it's hard to be nitpicky about that because the whole 319 00:28:37,677 --> 00:28:42,719 nature of superheroes in general requires a suspension of disbelief, and the end result 320 00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:47,321 of the swapping itself is fun enough that you don't really want to question it, even though 321 00:28:47,481 --> 00:28:51,055 it all makes no sense. But again, you know, that's kind of like another thing that just 322 00:28:51,115 --> 00:28:55,679 adds to the sort of messy feel to the film, right? One of the best things I could say about 323 00:28:55,719 --> 00:29:00,582 the movie overall is that I walked out of the movie theater more excited for the future of 324 00:29:00,602 --> 00:29:06,026 the MCU than any movie since Spider-Man No Way Home. And that's largely because of, you know, 325 00:29:06,267 --> 00:29:11,390 how the movie ended, the end scene as well as the mid-credit scene. Those scenes alone almost 326 00:29:11,430 --> 00:29:17,707 raised this rating up a half a star because they were fantastic. I loved how Ms. Marvel 327 00:29:17,927 --> 00:29:22,171 was inspired by her team up and took the initiative to start recruiting a Young Avengers team. 328 00:29:22,191 --> 00:29:25,633 You know, we've been waiting for that for years now, and it was cool to see that finally take 329 00:29:25,673 --> 00:29:29,837 effect, especially since she did it the exact same way that Nick Fury did in the first Iron 330 00:29:29,857 --> 00:29:33,820 Man movie. Almost line for line, but with her own comedic twist. I thought that was great. 331 00:29:34,421 --> 00:29:40,670 Seeing beasts in his true form on screen for the first time gives me so much hope. for the 332 00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:45,853 future of the X-Men and how they are portrayed on screen. It's going to be hopefully so comic 333 00:29:45,873 --> 00:29:51,717 book accurate just based on the look of Hank McCoy, voiced by Kelsey Grammer from X-Men 334 00:29:51,737 --> 00:29:57,021 The Last Stand. Honestly, I... Get out of here. Don't even start. What are you going to say? 335 00:29:58,082 --> 00:30:02,665 I mean, we've already seen someone from the X-Men universe in a Marvel movie, in the whole 336 00:30:02,685 --> 00:30:08,569 Multiverse of Madness film. We've already seen Hawkeye. I don't get like all the hype over 337 00:30:08,609 --> 00:30:13,130 these scenes. I mean, it's like Big Whoop. It's just more of the same. You're building to this 338 00:30:13,211 --> 00:30:17,832 half for how long? And it's like, OK, now that we get a little more so more, how about you 339 00:30:17,852 --> 00:30:23,334 just flip the switch and do it already? They got to build up, man. They're building anticipation. 340 00:30:23,794 --> 00:30:27,295 Yeah, we've seen Professor X before. And it was cool that he was in his yellow chair, but 341 00:30:27,335 --> 00:30:32,877 largely Professor X manifested in an expected way, you know, portrayed by Patrick Stewart. 342 00:30:33,277 --> 00:30:38,130 But this version of Beast wasn't just like. you know, Kelsey Grammer in horrible prosthetics, 343 00:30:38,190 --> 00:30:43,672 like it was an X-Men The Last Stand or in X-Men First Class with Nicholas Holt or in Days of 344 00:30:43,692 --> 00:30:49,333 Future Past. Like all that shit was horrible looking. Like this beast in this movie was 345 00:30:49,893 --> 00:30:55,015 perfection. It was perfection. Are you really that excited over an underlight? Yes. Holy 346 00:30:55,075 --> 00:31:02,517 shit. Yes. All right. That's right. I am that excited. It's going to be great. I can't wait. 347 00:31:02,857 --> 00:31:08,745 I guess binary was cool. That was cool. Yeah, it was cool that they included Binary here. 348 00:31:08,905 --> 00:31:14,650 Binary being one of the many aliases that Carol Danvers has used over the years. It was interesting 349 00:31:14,690 --> 00:31:19,154 to see Maria Rambeau take over that role. And you know, she was actually Captain Marvel herself 350 00:31:19,295 --> 00:31:23,879 in the Multiverse of Madness movie. So there apparently are like a lot of universes out 351 00:31:23,899 --> 00:31:29,304 there where Maria was the one that took the fighter jet and had the light speed engine 352 00:31:29,404 --> 00:31:33,487 Cosmic Cube incident from... Captain Marvel movie. But speaking of things that I enjoyed 353 00:31:33,507 --> 00:31:37,068 about the movie, one of the things I most enjoyed were the characters. So let's go ahead and 354 00:31:37,088 --> 00:31:42,670 talk more about them in our character breakdown. Starting with Captain Marvel, aka Carol Danvers, 355 00:31:42,791 --> 00:31:49,293 played by Brie Larson. Brie Larson did her best work as the character in this movie. She wasn't 356 00:31:49,333 --> 00:31:53,915 annoying like she was in Avengers Endgame, and she wasn't a robot like she was for most of 357 00:31:53,955 --> 00:31:58,937 the first Captain Marvel movie. I feel like the character finally got to shine and be herself. 358 00:31:59,230 --> 00:32:03,951 in the Marvels, which I think is fantastic because, well, I'll admit that Brie Larson isn't perfect 359 00:32:03,992 --> 00:32:08,293 for the role, I am rooting for her as Carol Danvers because I think there's potential there. 360 00:32:08,834 --> 00:32:14,516 I do think there's potential. I don't think this film was her best work. You know, I thought 361 00:32:14,536 --> 00:32:19,218 she conveyed more emotion in some of her many post-credits scenes, you know, when she's talking 362 00:32:19,238 --> 00:32:23,880 to like Shang-Chi or something like that. Yeah. If this is Captain Marvel being her true self, 363 00:32:24,220 --> 00:32:28,386 then her true self is boring as fuck. You're boring as fuck. You know what the fuck. Fuck 364 00:32:28,406 --> 00:32:31,710 you're talking about. What are you talking about? What do you mean boring? Dude, yeah, she was 365 00:32:31,730 --> 00:32:36,896 like the least interesting character in the whole damn movie. I disagree with that statement. 366 00:32:36,956 --> 00:32:41,482 Obviously the villain was the least interesting character. I mean, they were like the same. 367 00:32:42,002 --> 00:32:48,662 I like how in the film she went from a guilt-ridden loner to rediscovering her more. personable, 368 00:32:48,702 --> 00:32:52,925 likeable side through this new sisterhood that gets established. I think Monica and Kamala 369 00:32:52,945 --> 00:32:57,448 helped her become this lighter character that maybe we can see more of if Brie Larson returns 370 00:32:57,488 --> 00:33:01,831 to the role. Not only did she grow emotionally, I think, in this movie, I think the plot device 371 00:33:01,871 --> 00:33:07,415 of having to swap places with less experienced heroes and kind of keep her on the back foot 372 00:33:07,455 --> 00:33:12,219 in that regard, it made her more vulnerable and humble and more interesting of a character 373 00:33:12,419 --> 00:33:17,543 because Captain Marvel was, you know, too overpowered from the get-go. The swapping definitely helped 374 00:33:17,583 --> 00:33:22,367 alleviate that. I also thought that as I was watching it, because you're right, she's billed 375 00:33:22,447 --> 00:33:28,352 as Marvel's most powerful character. She freaking tanked a headbutt from freaking Thanos in Endgame, 376 00:33:28,392 --> 00:33:33,957 right? So yeah, I thought this actually was a smart way to sort of not degrade her power, 377 00:33:34,357 --> 00:33:39,542 but make it so that she can't just solve everything so easily. Right, exactly. Which, you know, 378 00:33:39,682 --> 00:33:43,945 was kind of a criticism of the first Captain Marvel movie is that once she unlocked the 379 00:33:43,965 --> 00:33:48,604 full- potential of her powers, she was essentially unstoppable, right? The way they chose to go 380 00:33:48,624 --> 00:33:53,468 about fixing that worked really well in an exciting way. I do think there are some things they 381 00:33:53,528 --> 00:33:58,191 inserted in this movie to make Brie Larson more interesting as Captain Marvel that didn't quite 382 00:33:58,231 --> 00:34:07,037 work, specifically the whole fucking singing planet. Yeah, my theory is that they were kind 383 00:34:07,057 --> 00:34:12,601 of going for like a Disney princess angle with planet Aladdin and her princess role on that 384 00:34:12,641 --> 00:34:16,651 planet. You know, she even got like a dress and everything like that. I do have to say 385 00:34:16,891 --> 00:34:21,133 I really liked her costume in this movie more than in the Captain Marvel film. I thought 386 00:34:21,153 --> 00:34:25,815 it was really well done. I liked her dress too, you know, the Captain Marvel take on the dress 387 00:34:25,995 --> 00:34:29,956 worked really well. I think a lot of girls will appreciate the fashion choices made in this 388 00:34:29,996 --> 00:34:37,159 movie. But if we're talking about the musical scene in general, I mean, it was a joke, right? 389 00:34:37,219 --> 00:34:41,961 It was played for laughs more than anything else, which felt unnecessary because of that. 390 00:34:42,494 --> 00:34:47,345 I mean, if it was a joke, it was a joke that went on for way too long. Not really. Come 391 00:34:47,405 --> 00:34:51,273 on. It was like two minutes. And I was just watching it. I was like, I looked at my wife 392 00:34:51,313 --> 00:34:56,975 and I was like, what the fuck is this? You know what's gonna be a joke that's gonna go on for 393 00:34:57,035 --> 00:35:06,024 two hours? Joker Follyado. Oh shit, I can't say anything, can I? That's right. Joker Follyado 394 00:35:06,524 --> 00:35:14,182 is gonna be a musical in its entirety. So, but it's gonna be a good one. Yeah, okay. Let's 395 00:35:14,202 --> 00:35:20,083 go ahead and move on to Photon, AKA Monica Rambeau, played by Teyona Paris. Now, I call her Photon 396 00:35:20,303 --> 00:35:24,365 only because the movie never really settled on a superhero name for her, which was kind 397 00:35:24,385 --> 00:35:29,246 of frustrating. Like, Ms. Marvel even named a few of her aliases from the comics that she's 398 00:35:29,266 --> 00:35:35,008 had, including Spectrum and Pulsar. Of course, Monica was the original female Captain Marvel, 399 00:35:35,128 --> 00:35:39,669 but right now she's going by Photon in the comics, which is my favorite name for her, and I wish 400 00:35:39,689 --> 00:35:44,071 they would have brought that up in the film. But Teyana Paris, I think she's a more than 401 00:35:44,091 --> 00:35:47,973 capable actor. I think she did a good job of selling like the deep seated resentment she 402 00:35:48,013 --> 00:35:51,976 had toward Carol for not returning like she said she would. I think Teyana did a great 403 00:35:52,016 --> 00:35:55,978 job with the action. And I thought she had some funny moments too. She's really good with her 404 00:35:56,018 --> 00:36:00,441 line delivery. Yeah, I thought she was fantastic. I have like nothing bad to say about her. It 405 00:36:00,461 --> 00:36:05,824 was a great performance. I think she's definitely, you know, Avengers caliber material for whenever 406 00:36:05,844 --> 00:36:09,710 they make the next Avengers film. She hopefully is on that team. Yeah, she has a great power 407 00:36:09,730 --> 00:36:14,291 set for that team too. Although for like the average viewer, I feel like her power set isn't 408 00:36:14,351 --> 00:36:19,933 as well defined as I would like it. You know, in the movie, she says that she can see light, 409 00:36:20,273 --> 00:36:24,854 if I remember correctly. But I'm like, that's not really it. Her power is that she can emit 410 00:36:24,994 --> 00:36:30,336 and become and absorb any form of energy on the electromagnetic spectrum. You know, from 411 00:36:30,636 --> 00:36:36,554 X-rays to visible light, to electricity, to ultraviolet and infrared light. You know, I 412 00:36:36,594 --> 00:36:41,037 like to see the MCU actually explicitly state her powers as that, because I think it would 413 00:36:41,057 --> 00:36:46,100 help audiences understand the character more. That's actually very true. I was really wondering, 414 00:36:46,140 --> 00:36:50,743 like, what the differences were between her and Carol Danvers, like laser powers, like 415 00:36:50,784 --> 00:36:55,347 the scene where Carol is surprised that Monaco is able to shoot a laser to like solve this 416 00:36:55,387 --> 00:37:00,170 problem on the ship. I was like, well, can you have done that? Like, why did you need her 417 00:37:00,210 --> 00:37:06,342 help to do this at all? Yeah. And the last bit where she sacrifices herself. I don't know 418 00:37:06,542 --> 00:37:11,765 what the fuck happened there. She absorbed all the energy from the quantum bands and the photonic 419 00:37:11,786 --> 00:37:16,589 energy from Kenta Marvel in order to have enough power to seal the rift. But I think you're 420 00:37:16,609 --> 00:37:19,971 right in that they didn't explain that very well. Like it was a bunch of scientific mumbo 421 00:37:20,011 --> 00:37:26,355 jumbo on behalf of Monica Rambeau's part. I don't envy the actress at all for all the science 422 00:37:26,496 --> 00:37:30,959 flux capacitor shit she had to say in this movie. I did love Monica Rambeau's outfit, though. 423 00:37:30,979 --> 00:37:35,021 I thought she had the best one. Yeah, I mean, essentially it was just a Saber space station. 424 00:37:35,462 --> 00:37:40,384 uniform but yeah it looks really cool. The whites and blacks just popped for some reason. Let's 425 00:37:40,404 --> 00:37:45,686 go ahead and move on to Miss Marvel aka Kamala Khan who was played by Iman Valani. I really 426 00:37:45,706 --> 00:37:49,788 liked Iman Valani as Kamala Khan in the Miss Marvel television series. I think that was 427 00:37:49,828 --> 00:37:54,910 a fantastic debut for this up-and-coming actress and I really liked her in this movie. You know 428 00:37:54,930 --> 00:37:58,731 in many ways she was the heart of the film and the glue that really brought the team together 429 00:37:58,911 --> 00:38:03,373 in such you know an innocent way born out of just the love and admiration she had for these 430 00:38:03,433 --> 00:38:08,691 other women. Yeah, no, I agree. She was my favorite part of the whole movie. Like to me, I think 431 00:38:08,711 --> 00:38:13,693 she was the star. I assumed that she would get a little bit grating based on her appearances 432 00:38:13,733 --> 00:38:17,815 in the trailers, but I found myself not bothered by that too much. Maybe there are a few moments 433 00:38:17,835 --> 00:38:21,977 where she was a little bit overexcited, but considering the circumstances, I think she 434 00:38:21,997 --> 00:38:26,879 kind of played it true to what the character would do. No, the actress is just so endearing. 435 00:38:27,359 --> 00:38:32,861 My daughter, Grace, who's 12 years old, she loved Miss Marvel. Yeah, that was hands down 436 00:38:32,901 --> 00:38:36,964 her favorite. of the three. I think it was a lot of people's favorite for sure. And she 437 00:38:36,984 --> 00:38:41,307 had some great moments. I like the moment with the revelation about Carol visiting Monica's 438 00:38:41,347 --> 00:38:47,832 mom, Maria, after Monica was blipped. When Kamala hugged Monica and then when Carol joined, it 439 00:38:47,872 --> 00:38:52,235 was the turning point for the team. It's when they became a team. It was cool to see that. 440 00:38:52,395 --> 00:38:57,199 It was cool seeing her prove herself and achieve her dream going from an obscure Jersey City 441 00:38:57,239 --> 00:39:02,975 hero to a legit superhero. That was a lot of fun. Yeah. I definitely think that she was 442 00:39:03,215 --> 00:39:09,118 a good foil in a way for Captain Marvel in that Captain Marvel is a pretty cold character, 443 00:39:09,218 --> 00:39:14,581 at least the way Brie Larson plays her. And Iman Villani definitely is not. You're right. 444 00:39:14,601 --> 00:39:19,604 She just has this exuberance and innocence and excitement about her that just makes people 445 00:39:19,624 --> 00:39:25,427 like the character. I would say that Brie Larson's semi-cold depiction of Carol Danvers is not 446 00:39:25,447 --> 00:39:31,262 without basis in the comics. Carol Danvers in the comics is fairly straightforward. AKA boring 447 00:39:31,462 --> 00:39:36,524 AF. Some of my favorite moments with Ms. Marvel dealt with her awkwardness. You know, like 448 00:39:36,544 --> 00:39:41,686 how her vision of her going twinsies with Captain Marvel didn't quite play out like she thought 449 00:39:41,706 --> 00:39:45,868 it would. She just brought a lot of humor to the film. Yeah, like when we reviewed Ms. Marvel, 450 00:39:45,888 --> 00:39:50,230 the show, I think I mentioned during that review that I liked that series way more than I thought 451 00:39:50,290 --> 00:39:54,251 I would. And I was really glad to see that her personality survived intact for this movie. 452 00:39:54,571 --> 00:39:59,313 Although I got to say, her family didn't translate quite as well in the movie as it did in the 453 00:39:59,333 --> 00:40:04,303 show. I would agree with that, totally. Actually, a lot of the side characters in this movie 454 00:40:04,363 --> 00:40:10,445 felt like they were television extras, right? Including Kamala Khan's family, including the 455 00:40:10,545 --> 00:40:15,887 extras on the Saber space station. They just felt out of place. Right. Yeah. Like, I still 456 00:40:15,927 --> 00:40:20,568 don't get why Kamala's family had to even go up to the space station. Well, their home was 457 00:40:20,608 --> 00:40:24,898 destroyed. But you're right. That doesn't necessarily mean they have to go to a space station. Like 458 00:40:24,938 --> 00:40:28,981 go to a fucking hotel or something. Exactly. You know? Yeah. And like, why didn't they get 459 00:40:29,061 --> 00:40:34,085 eaten by cats when everyone else did? Like probably people who are more important and necessary 460 00:40:34,125 --> 00:40:38,228 to the critical function of the space station and everything. That's a valid point. They 461 00:40:38,248 --> 00:40:43,573 had special privileges, I guess. Regarding Miss Marvel, though, a really interesting question 462 00:40:43,613 --> 00:40:49,417 came up while I was watching the movie. So in the Miss Marvel TV series, you and I theorized 463 00:40:49,477 --> 00:40:55,380 that. The bangle that Ms. Marvel received that unlocked her powers was a Kree Negaband, which 464 00:40:55,420 --> 00:41:01,023 in the comics were the weapons worn by the original Captain Mar-Vell. And we ended up not being 465 00:41:01,063 --> 00:41:07,347 too far off because the bangle actually turned out to be a quantum band. And the Negabands 466 00:41:07,427 --> 00:41:11,169 were the Krees' attempt to recreate the quantum bands in the comics, but the quantum bands 467 00:41:11,209 --> 00:41:17,000 are worn by the hero Quasar. who has the power of energy construct generation, similar to 468 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:22,244 Green Lantern, which is why we picked Quasar in a duel against Green Lantern on this podcast. 469 00:41:22,744 --> 00:41:29,409 But I'm wondering, is Ms. Marvel with her energy construct generation powers, the MCU's version 470 00:41:29,429 --> 00:41:33,992 of Quasar? I mean, I think she has to be right now, right? Not only does she have Green Lantern 471 00:41:34,032 --> 00:41:38,675 powers, she has the literal quantum bands. Although I guess Carol had one of them at the end as 472 00:41:38,735 --> 00:41:42,734 well. I'm not sure why. They were like friendship bracelets now or something. Yeah, they never 473 00:41:42,774 --> 00:41:46,538 really got into that. I guess they just assumed it was better to keep the quantum band separate 474 00:41:46,638 --> 00:41:51,323 from each other. But now I totally think of Ms. Marvel as Quasar. Which like, how do you 475 00:41:51,343 --> 00:41:57,489 feel about that? Not great. You know, I think a lot of people had issues with the depiction 476 00:41:57,529 --> 00:42:02,666 of Ms. Marvel's powers translating from the comics to the screen. You know, in the comics, 477 00:42:02,727 --> 00:42:08,252 Ms. Marvel is a polymorph. She can stretch. But in the show, it's her energy construct 478 00:42:08,292 --> 00:42:12,936 form that stretches, which is certainly easier to render using special effects than showing 479 00:42:13,016 --> 00:42:17,781 her physical body stretching. But having her generate these sapphire looking constructs 480 00:42:17,801 --> 00:42:23,326 isn't true to the comics, right? Neither is her being quasar. At the end of the day, I 481 00:42:23,366 --> 00:42:28,763 think the more true things are to the comics, the Although I guess the one argument you can 482 00:42:28,783 --> 00:42:34,507 make that she's not the MCU's Quasar is that her powers aren't derived from the Quantum 483 00:42:34,527 --> 00:42:39,930 Bands. That's true. I mean, they only unlocked her powers, but in the MCU, Ms. Marvel is a 484 00:42:40,010 --> 00:42:44,413 mutant. But that's another thing, you know, because in the comics, Ms. Marvel is an inhuman. 485 00:42:44,834 --> 00:42:50,798 So, I don't know. I don't know. It's all strange, but it did fascinate me to think that we have 486 00:42:50,838 --> 00:42:56,081 witnessed the MCU's first iteration of the character of Quasar. Let's go ahead and move on to Supremor. 487 00:42:56,702 --> 00:43:01,984 aka Darben, played by Zowie Ashton. I'll start off by saying Zowie Ashton wasn't the total 488 00:43:02,004 --> 00:43:06,566 trainwreck I thought she'd be based on the trailers for this movie. She wasn't as goofy as I thought 489 00:43:06,586 --> 00:43:11,448 she'd be, I think her character had legit motivations for the destruction she caused and for her 490 00:43:11,468 --> 00:43:15,509 hatred of Captain Marvel. I think honestly the worst thing you could say about the character 491 00:43:15,549 --> 00:43:21,732 is that she was generic AF. Yeah. But I partially blame that on the fact that, like I said earlier, 492 00:43:21,772 --> 00:43:26,238 the character of Darben was only in 8 issues of the comics back in the early 90s. Like we're 493 00:43:26,258 --> 00:43:30,781 talking bottom of the F-less barrel here. And so there wasn't much characterization to build 494 00:43:30,861 --> 00:43:36,685 off of from the source material. I don't really understand why Marvel Studios would do that, 495 00:43:37,166 --> 00:43:40,788 why they would make Darben the villain when there were so many other Kree characters they 496 00:43:40,808 --> 00:43:45,872 could have gone with. Yeah, for sure. Like bring back Jude Law, go with Jai Min Han Su. Why 497 00:43:45,912 --> 00:43:50,675 not? Well, Jai Min Han Su was killed in the first Guardians movie as- I mean, bring back 498 00:43:50,715 --> 00:43:57,520 Jude Law. As Yon-Rogg? Yeah. Although, you know, they called the character of Darben Supremor 499 00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,723 in this movie. That was like her title. I'm wondering why they just couldn't make the villain 500 00:44:01,763 --> 00:44:08,087 of the movie Supremor from the comics, you know, who is an android personification of the supreme 501 00:44:08,127 --> 00:44:13,711 intelligence and is really well known among Marvel Comics fans as the de facto ruler of 502 00:44:13,731 --> 00:44:18,434 the Kree. Supremor is a badass. Like, like, I think a better scenario for this movie would 503 00:44:18,454 --> 00:44:25,259 have been that the supreme intelligence actually wasn't destroyed by Carol. and during the time 504 00:44:25,299 --> 00:44:29,582 it took for it to reboot itself, you know, the Kree have their civil war and the devastation, 505 00:44:30,142 --> 00:44:35,085 and then once Supremor reboots and then tries to restore Hala to its former glory. Like, 506 00:44:35,125 --> 00:44:39,609 wouldn't that have been a better angle considering they already did some setup for the Supreme 507 00:44:39,629 --> 00:44:43,251 Intelligence in the first Captain Marvel movie with Annette Benning playing the character? 508 00:44:43,731 --> 00:44:49,315 Yeah, absolutely. I really like Supremor as a villain in the comics. Darben is not Supremor. 509 00:44:49,916 --> 00:44:54,414 One of these days we'll get Supremor in a dual episode. Yeah, maybe we could put Supreme War 510 00:44:54,454 --> 00:44:59,036 up against like Brother Eye or something like that. Eradicator. I don't know. I don't know 511 00:44:59,056 --> 00:45:02,958 anything about Supreme War. That could work. I do have to say that I was really confused 512 00:45:03,098 --> 00:45:09,541 by Darbin's use of the Ronin Hammer. Like it glowed purple as if it was powered by the Infinity 513 00:45:09,601 --> 00:45:14,283 Stone, but it wasn't. Yeah, that was kind of a bad visual effects call, right? So Ronin's 514 00:45:14,303 --> 00:45:18,565 hammer is called the ultimate weapon, as you know from our Ronin the Accuser versus Big 515 00:45:18,605 --> 00:45:22,847 Barda duel episode that we did. Right. I thought it was interesting how she paired it with the 516 00:45:22,867 --> 00:45:26,569 quantum bands. I think the fact that she had the quantum bands in this movie was a great 517 00:45:26,709 --> 00:45:31,712 way to foil the energy-based powers of the Marvel's characters, because what the quantum bands 518 00:45:31,752 --> 00:45:37,015 can do in the comics is tap into any power source in the entire universe. So the fact that she 519 00:45:37,035 --> 00:45:41,558 was absorbing all of their energy blasts with the quantum band made her a great threat to 520 00:45:41,598 --> 00:45:44,900 the heroes. Let's go ahead and move on to the final character in our character breakdown, 521 00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:50,946 Nick Fury, played by Samuel L. Jackson. As always, Sam Jackson defines the character of Nick Fury, 522 00:45:51,066 --> 00:45:56,188 he is Nick Fury, but this Nick Fury was far more laid back in this movie than I thought 523 00:45:56,208 --> 00:46:02,650 he'd be considering the events of Secret Invasion. At the end of that show, he and his wife, Vara, 524 00:46:02,770 --> 00:46:07,491 went up into the Saber space station to begin negotiating peace talks between the Kree and 525 00:46:07,511 --> 00:46:12,253 the Skrulls, but things were left semi-unresolved at the end of that show, and you never get 526 00:46:12,273 --> 00:46:16,266 that sense here. No, yeah, absolutely. Like, I thought- that his wife would have been a 527 00:46:16,326 --> 00:46:21,288 character in this movie as a Skrull since they were dealing with Skrulls in this movie. But 528 00:46:21,328 --> 00:46:26,330 nope. It really just goes to show that like Kevin Feige isn't in control of everything 529 00:46:26,370 --> 00:46:30,831 in the way that we thought he was, at least not in this new multiversal saga. There's just 530 00:46:30,991 --> 00:46:34,973 more and more evidence for it. It does seem like he's taking a few more vacations than 531 00:46:35,033 --> 00:46:40,440 he should be, right? Yeah, what the heck? Also, like Nick Fury's guilt that he couldn't find 532 00:46:40,460 --> 00:46:45,524 the Skrulls a home was such a central theme of the Secret Invasion television show. And 533 00:46:45,544 --> 00:46:51,589 yet, the Skrulls' refuge on the planet Tarnax in this movie seems pretty good, right? Like, 534 00:46:51,609 --> 00:46:55,233 couldn't that be the Skrulls' home? Why couldn't that be their home? What was the story with 535 00:46:55,273 --> 00:46:59,516 planet Tarnax? We'll never know. For real, like that's what I was wondering during this movie. 536 00:46:59,556 --> 00:47:03,199 Like, why did all of the Skrulls have to come to Earth in Secret Invasion? Why couldn't they 537 00:47:03,219 --> 00:47:06,973 go to that planet? Yeah, it's a great question. But that does for all the characters. 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Yeah, I definitely think they did a great job setting up Ms. Marvel. Definitely 561 00:49:11,658 --> 00:49:15,980 better than they did setting up Mono Karambo for anyone who hadn't seen Wandavision. But 562 00:49:16,020 --> 00:49:20,643 again, I still think the whole beginning of this movie should have been the scene of Captain 563 00:49:20,663 --> 00:49:25,065 Marvel destroying the Supreme Intelligence. Right, yeah. To provide that context for the 564 00:49:25,085 --> 00:49:29,007 story as a whole. Because this whole time we'd been wondering like what the heck is Captain 565 00:49:29,047 --> 00:49:33,790 Marvel doing out in space? You know, like she's never on Earth to help out and it turns out, 566 00:49:34,050 --> 00:49:38,612 you know, she's going to singing planets and she's fucking up shit on Hala. Apparently too 567 00:49:38,652 --> 00:49:46,808 busy to reignite Apparently, what do you think of that reasoning for Ms. Marvel's absence 568 00:49:46,828 --> 00:49:51,510 in general? I thought it was super lame. I did not care for it. I thought it was okay. I mean, 569 00:49:51,630 --> 00:49:55,192 the fact that she had great reason to be angry at the Supreme Intelligence and destroy it 570 00:49:55,392 --> 00:50:00,934 and allegedly free the people of Hala and then kind of be mopey about it when the entire planet 571 00:50:00,954 --> 00:50:05,416 went into chaos is kind of a big deal. I think it was kind of a satisfying answer. Yeah, but 572 00:50:05,436 --> 00:50:09,290 she wasn't just being mopey about it. She was going off and... you know, singing, being a 573 00:50:09,350 --> 00:50:13,373 princess. She had to be doing more than just being mopey. She should have gone back and, 574 00:50:13,493 --> 00:50:18,396 you know, taking care of her niece. That's true, which is, you know, the whole reason for Monica's 575 00:50:18,436 --> 00:50:22,319 resentment. But you know, Captain Marvel is imperfect. I think they established that. I 576 00:50:22,339 --> 00:50:26,262 think it makes her a little bit more human. When the jump point above Earth starts going 577 00:50:26,362 --> 00:50:32,045 haywire near the Saber space station, Nick Fury has sword agent Monica Rambeau investigate. 578 00:50:32,470 --> 00:50:36,471 while he and Captain Marvel track the source of the anomaly to the planet where Supreme 579 00:50:36,491 --> 00:50:41,553 War found the lost Quantum Band. The two women make contact with the Haywire Jump Point energy 580 00:50:41,593 --> 00:50:47,196 simultaneously, which causes them and Ms. Marvel all to swap places through teleportation. Now 581 00:50:47,416 --> 00:50:51,958 I know we discussed the whole nature of the swapping thing is kind of bullshit, but I also 582 00:50:51,978 --> 00:50:58,260 have questions like if Ms. Marvel was included in the three-way swap because it was the Quantum 583 00:50:58,300 --> 00:51:03,486 Band energy that created and then disrupted the Jump Point. Why wasn't Darben also included 584 00:51:03,826 --> 00:51:08,988 in their swap circle? She had the other quantum band. That's a great question. That's a fantastic 585 00:51:09,028 --> 00:51:13,609 question. I'm kind of dissatisfied with the reasoning behind the swap, even though I was 586 00:51:13,649 --> 00:51:18,430 satisfied with the effect it had on the film's action. The three women struggle to come to 587 00:51:18,470 --> 00:51:23,052 terms with their predicament as a fight with Kree soldiers ensues in space on the Saber 588 00:51:23,092 --> 00:51:27,933 space station and in the Kahn family home. When the fight is over and the three return to the 589 00:51:27,973 --> 00:51:34,091 original places. Monika and Fury visit Ms. Marvel to discuss Monika's theory on quantum entanglement, 590 00:51:34,371 --> 00:51:38,612 which is causing them to switch places anytime they use their powers simultaneously. I think 591 00:51:38,652 --> 00:51:43,633 I mentioned before I love this action scene. I actually really got into it. I liked seeing 592 00:51:43,793 --> 00:51:48,255 how all three of them kicked ass in their own unique ways, especially Ms. Marvel. I thought 593 00:51:48,275 --> 00:51:52,956 it was exciting to see her really come into her own as a warrior. Yeah, I definitely think 594 00:51:52,976 --> 00:51:56,717 she had the most interesting power of the three and I was always excited to see how she was 595 00:51:56,737 --> 00:52:02,959 going to use it As Captain Marvel investigates peace talks between the Kree and Skrull empires 596 00:52:03,059 --> 00:52:09,941 near a Skrull refuge on planet Tarnax, she inadvertently swaps places with Monica and Ms. Marvel. Convinced 597 00:52:09,961 --> 00:52:14,982 the talks are a trap due to Captain Marvel's presence, Darben generates a jump point anomaly 598 00:52:15,182 --> 00:52:20,784 using her quantum band paired with the Universal Weapon that creates a vacuum that sucks up 599 00:52:20,824 --> 00:52:25,745 the planet's atmosphere and destroys the Skrull refuge. The three women save as many Skrulls 600 00:52:25,765 --> 00:52:31,694 as they can. arranging for them to live on New Asgard, led by Valkyrie on Earth. This was 601 00:52:31,734 --> 00:52:36,097 a surprise. I didn't know Valkyrie was going to make a cameo. Yeah, between Valkyrie's cameo 602 00:52:36,397 --> 00:52:41,482 and Hawkeye's, this is almost like an A-Force film. Yeah, that's kind of true. Question though, 603 00:52:42,883 --> 00:52:47,887 in Secret Invasion, weren't the Skrulls and all alien species on Earth deemed hostile by 604 00:52:47,987 --> 00:52:52,511 President Ritzen? Like New Asgard on Earth is not going to be a safe place for the Skrulls. 605 00:52:53,111 --> 00:53:00,308 Also, I want to know how New Asgard... got control of the Bifrost teleportation energy. That's 606 00:53:00,348 --> 00:53:04,630 right, wasn't it destroyed? The Bifrost was destroyed. The only thing that can wield the 607 00:53:04,670 --> 00:53:10,254 Bifrost now is Thor's hammer Stormbreaker, which is actually currently being wielded by Thor's 608 00:53:10,294 --> 00:53:16,057 daughter, which is still a stupid concept. Oh, love? Ugh, I'd already forgotten about her. 609 00:53:16,237 --> 00:53:22,000 Why'd you remind me? Maybe she's dead and Thor gave Stormbreaker to New Asgard and they can 610 00:53:22,060 --> 00:53:27,095 use it to teleport now. Damn. Captain Marvel, Monika, and Ms. Marvel deduced that it was 611 00:53:27,155 --> 00:53:31,578 Darben's rupturing of the jump points that led to their quantum entanglement, and that the 612 00:53:31,639 --> 00:53:36,882 jump point instability is endangering the universe, and that Darben is creating the anomalies to 613 00:53:36,922 --> 00:53:42,846 bring resources to the devastated Kree homeworld of Hala. The Marvels use scroll memory probe 614 00:53:42,886 --> 00:53:48,270 technology to find Darben's next target, and they train using their abilities in conjunction 615 00:53:48,490 --> 00:53:52,433 with their swapping predicament. I really liked the training montage. I thought that was a 616 00:53:52,453 --> 00:53:57,111 lot of fun. Yeah, yeah, I agree. It was well done. It was cool. The jump rope thing, I thought 617 00:53:57,131 --> 00:54:01,872 was pretty creative and funny. Yeah, the whole training montage, I thought was sufficiently 618 00:54:01,932 --> 00:54:07,613 girly for the audience. Yeah, girly and fun. I liked it. The Marvels travel to the planet 619 00:54:07,653 --> 00:54:12,815 Aladdin to warn them of Darben's imminent arrival. And it's revealed that Captain Marvel is actually 620 00:54:12,835 --> 00:54:17,176 the princess there. The three fight the Kree forces in an attempt to steal the villains 621 00:54:17,236 --> 00:54:22,926 quantum band. But Darben discovers that Miss Marvel has the other quantum band. and creates 622 00:54:23,026 --> 00:54:27,350 a jump point anomaly that siphons the planet's water. We already talked about the musical 623 00:54:27,390 --> 00:54:32,214 scene, it was meant to be a joke, but probably an unnecessary one, they were just trying to 624 00:54:32,234 --> 00:54:38,399 be cute. I did like the conversation between Monika and Kamala Khan as this was all happening 625 00:54:38,439 --> 00:54:42,803 and they're just kind of commenting on the ridiculousness of it all. But my favorite joke in the whole 626 00:54:42,823 --> 00:54:47,026 movie actually also happens during the scene during the fight with Darben when the villain 627 00:54:47,066 --> 00:54:51,294 sees that Kamala has the other Quantum Band and she's like, where did you get that? And 628 00:54:51,474 --> 00:54:58,560 Kamala was like, my grandma sent it to me in the mail. And that was fantastic. That's good. 629 00:54:58,580 --> 00:55:03,143 That's the kind of humor I like from Marvel movies, not the freaking sing along. Yeah, 630 00:55:03,364 --> 00:55:07,687 yeah. Which, again, I guess I can't really see anything about because of Joker Folly. I do. 631 00:55:08,107 --> 00:55:13,052 So scratch. I said that I love all the singing. It's great. Captain Marvel, Ms. Marvel and 632 00:55:13,092 --> 00:55:17,715 Monica escaped the Kree forces and Carol reveals that she was the one who caused the devastation 633 00:55:17,755 --> 00:55:22,903 on Hala when she destroyed the Supreme Intelligence. She figures that Darben is also acting out 634 00:55:22,943 --> 00:55:28,488 of revenge against her, destroying the places she holds dear. They travel to Earth to discover 635 00:55:28,568 --> 00:55:34,173 Darben is attempting to steal the energy from the sun next. When we got the flashback scene 636 00:55:34,253 --> 00:55:39,157 when Captain Marvel destroyed the Supreme Intelligence, I was trying to figure out when she did that 637 00:55:39,217 --> 00:55:44,902 chronologically within the MCU timeline. Like, I think it had to have happened sometime after 638 00:55:44,942 --> 00:55:48,165 the first Guardians of the Galaxy movie, right? Because like the Kree didn't seem like they 639 00:55:48,185 --> 00:55:53,141 were in shambles there. and they made the peace treaty with Xandar and the Nova Corps. Yeah. 640 00:55:53,281 --> 00:55:56,643 Or maybe they signed the treaty because the planet was kind of going into shambles and 641 00:55:56,663 --> 00:56:01,147 they didn't have adequate resources to fight the Novo war anymore. But I do wonder maybe 642 00:56:01,187 --> 00:56:05,931 it happened post Avengers Endgame. Who knows? I don't know. It would have been nice for them 643 00:56:05,951 --> 00:56:10,795 to answer that question, though. The whole MCU timeline is messed up anyway. It's broken. 644 00:56:11,335 --> 00:56:16,339 Ever since the first fight. I know it. You're right. No one does. I know it. I know. Except 645 00:56:16,359 --> 00:56:20,966 for this scene. I have no idea when this happened. That's the only thing. Captain Marvel, Ms. 646 00:56:21,006 --> 00:56:26,929 Marvel, and Monica fight Darben and subdue her, but the villain manages to steal Kamala's quantum 647 00:56:26,989 --> 00:56:32,211 band. Meanwhile, the unstable jump point near Earth damages a majority of the Saber space 648 00:56:32,231 --> 00:56:36,252 station's escape pods, forcing the station's crew to escape to Earth's surface by being 649 00:56:36,332 --> 00:56:41,134 swallowed by flurking kittens that were laid by Goose. I loved the flurking kittens, you 650 00:56:41,154 --> 00:56:45,736 know, they didn't have much to do with the story overall, but they were cute and the way they 651 00:56:45,756 --> 00:56:51,319 were incorporated into the plot made me laugh, so there you I thought it was super effing 652 00:56:51,379 --> 00:56:57,244 random. It was like super convenient as well. I hated everything about that. You're just 653 00:56:57,304 --> 00:57:02,589 a sad, bitter person, old man. Well, why? Because I don't like flerkens because you don't like 654 00:57:02,749 --> 00:57:07,713 cute things like kittens swallowing people alive. That shit's funny. I wonder if a lot of people 655 00:57:07,733 --> 00:57:13,017 are confused in that when flerkens eat things, they actually store it within a pocket dimension 656 00:57:13,077 --> 00:57:17,281 inside of them. Like each flerkin has a little black hole in their body. They don't necessarily 657 00:57:17,381 --> 00:57:23,351 ingest it. which is why Goose was able to bring back the Cosmic Cube after she had swallowed 658 00:57:23,391 --> 00:57:27,372 it in the first Captain Marvel movie. The only thing I found really funny about the Flurkins 659 00:57:27,472 --> 00:57:33,674 was when Goose was cleaning himself and Nick Fury was like, hey, stop that. And Goose was 660 00:57:33,694 --> 00:57:38,096 just staring at him evilly, like mid-lick. I was like, yeah, that's a cat. That's my cat. 661 00:57:38,796 --> 00:57:43,937 I like the Flurkin eggs. Just the concept of a cat-like creature laying eggs I thought was 662 00:57:44,077 --> 00:57:48,527 funny. My least favorite part of the whole movie happens during the scene when the escape pod 663 00:57:48,567 --> 00:57:54,508 carrying the Khan family and Nick Fury crashes onto Earth after falling from fucking space. 664 00:57:54,888 --> 00:58:00,650 It literally crashes into the planet and no one was hurt. The water was right there. They 665 00:58:00,690 --> 00:58:06,672 could have landed in the water. Right. So dumb. I saw that and I was like, fucking Marvel. 666 00:58:07,612 --> 00:58:14,714 Whatever. Shut up. After being mortally wounded, Darben destroys herself. by using the two quantum 667 00:58:14,734 --> 00:58:20,196 bands to open a rift in space to another reality. Monica reasons that absorbing the energy from 668 00:58:20,496 --> 00:58:24,337 Captain Marvel and the quantum bands will let her seal the rift and she gets stranded in 669 00:58:24,357 --> 00:58:28,579 the other reality despite Captain Marvel trying to save her. Can I just say that I thought 670 00:58:28,599 --> 00:58:34,361 it was a cool element that the quantum bands were what created all the jump points throughout 671 00:58:34,421 --> 00:58:39,055 the Marvel Cinematic Universe? Yeah, that was really cool and totally makes sense because 672 00:58:39,095 --> 00:58:43,939 Quasar is able to jump through space using the quantum bands in a manner similar to the jump 673 00:58:43,959 --> 00:58:48,642 points in the Marvel universe. The jump points themselves were always this unique things that 674 00:58:48,802 --> 00:58:53,265 made their first appearance in Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 but had no basis in the source 675 00:58:53,285 --> 00:58:57,968 material. You know, they were just something that was out there that they ran with in subsequent 676 00:58:58,108 --> 00:59:02,912 spacefaring movies in the MCU. Right. But to kind of get their origin now and kind of get 677 00:59:03,172 --> 00:59:07,251 an explanation of what the hell these things are. where they came from, I thought was pretty 678 00:59:07,271 --> 00:59:11,414 neat. Yeah, honestly, that's probably like my favorite element of the entire movie was just 679 00:59:11,454 --> 00:59:16,639 that single line that solidified that in canon. I was like, dope, that's cool. Yeah, I'm just 680 00:59:16,659 --> 00:59:20,862 a fan of the quantum bands in general from the comics, they're cool. It was kind of a bummer 681 00:59:20,942 --> 00:59:25,126 that Darben got mortally wounded because we didn't really get to see her do much with the 682 00:59:25,166 --> 00:59:28,889 quantum bands, but you know, tearing the rift in space and time is a pretty epic way to go 683 00:59:28,989 --> 00:59:34,533 out. I do have a quick question. What was it that removed the quantum entanglement exactly? 684 00:59:35,050 --> 00:59:39,752 It was the fact that they got ahold of both quantum bands, I think. Don't ask me how, you 685 00:59:39,772 --> 00:59:43,635 know, I don't understand the whole swapping thing anyway. All right. Now, it just, you 686 00:59:43,655 --> 00:59:48,597 know, confirmed my theory that it was all bullshit. Captain Marvel travels to Hala and reignites 687 00:59:48,637 --> 00:59:53,861 its sun, restoring the planet to full habitability, and Miss Marvel starts recruiting a young Avengers 688 00:59:53,901 --> 00:59:59,184 team, starting with Kate Bishop. Were you as upset as I was that Captain Marvel didn't think 689 00:59:59,224 --> 01:00:06,152 to reignite Hala's son on her own? Well. Yeah, it was kind of like a selfless idea on Monica 690 01:00:06,172 --> 01:00:10,275 Rambeau's part that you would have hoped a hero like Carol Danvers would have had on her own. 691 01:00:10,695 --> 01:00:16,159 Yeah. It didn't take much effort at all. Like she was perfectly fine afterward. Yeah, she 692 01:00:16,179 --> 01:00:19,921 should have done it a long time ago. It was cool to see Haley Steinfeld in this last scene. 693 01:00:20,762 --> 01:00:24,765 Yeah, I think I mentioned during our Hawkeye review, or maybe it was Ms. Marvel, that the 694 01:00:24,905 --> 01:00:29,708 female Hawkeye and Ms. Marvel's personalities were very similar to each other. So I was kind 695 01:00:29,748 --> 01:00:34,038 of concerned about how that would play out. in something like a Young Avengers film or 696 01:00:34,098 --> 01:00:38,500 series. But seeing the two characters quipped back and forth has actually done pretty well, 697 01:00:38,540 --> 01:00:42,782 I thought. Yeah, I can't wait for them to announce the Young Avengers project whenever they get 698 01:00:42,802 --> 01:00:46,283 around to it. Maybe they won't show up until the next Avengers movie, who knows. But I assume 699 01:00:46,303 --> 01:00:51,906 that we'll get a few more scenes with Aman Valani recruiting other young characters. Yeah, it 700 01:00:51,926 --> 01:00:55,887 was during that scene that Kamala mentioned that someone had a son or something like that. 701 01:00:56,268 --> 01:01:03,158 I didn't hear who. Daughter. Oh, Ant-Man. Oh, OK, cool. In the mid-credits scene, Monica 702 01:01:03,178 --> 01:01:08,621 wakes up in the alternate reality she was trapped in a hospital bed. Next to her is her mom Maria 703 01:01:08,661 --> 01:01:15,905 Rambeau aka the superhero binary and Dr. Hank McCoy aka Beast. Great way to end the movie. 704 01:01:15,966 --> 01:01:19,848 I actually think that this end credit scene alone is going to bring a lot of people to 705 01:01:19,888 --> 01:01:23,690 the theater to see the film even though you know the movie isn't projected to do all that 706 01:01:23,830 --> 01:01:28,512 great financially. So many people are going to get excited by this end credit scene. Actually 707 01:01:28,553 --> 01:01:33,471 that scene has already leaked online. So I think a lot of people are just bootlugging it on 708 01:01:33,491 --> 01:01:37,875 Twitter. Well, shit. Everybody stay off the damn internet until you see this movie. That's 709 01:01:37,915 --> 01:01:41,317 my suggestion. And if you've listened to this review, I'm assuming that you have seen the 710 01:01:41,337 --> 01:01:47,321 movie. But that does it for the movie. Overall, the film is a mixed bag. On one hand, it's 711 01:01:47,341 --> 01:01:50,804 all over the place. On the other hand, it's really enjoyable. In a sense, it follows a 712 01:01:50,844 --> 01:01:55,887 number of Marvel films and TV series. The movie is structurally messy, but it provides a fun 713 01:01:55,927 --> 01:02:00,922 time with lots to get excited about for the MCU's future. I'm rating the film three and 714 01:02:00,942 --> 01:02:07,324 a half stars, a fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes. Yeah, I guess I would give this a fresh rating 715 01:02:07,444 --> 01:02:12,945 as well, just barely. But I think it deserves it. I would definitely recommend it for people 716 01:02:12,985 --> 01:02:16,986 on the fence, whether or not they've seen any of the prior television shows in lead up to 717 01:02:17,026 --> 01:02:22,028 this movie. I definitely think it could have and should have been better than it was. But 718 01:02:22,268 --> 01:02:27,269 I still really like the characters, if not the story. Yeah, the movie's passable, which, you 719 01:02:27,369 --> 01:02:31,271 know, I'm OK with. I think it was fine. I think three and a half stars is certainly a more 720 01:02:31,311 --> 01:02:36,195 honest rating than what you gave for Blue Beetle and The Flash. I think everybody should give 721 01:02:36,215 --> 01:02:39,817 Jonathan shit for giving The Flash four and a half stars and Blue Beetle four. Because 722 01:02:39,997 --> 01:02:43,800 I don't think Blue Beetle was better than this movie. I think Jonathan's bias is showing. 723 01:02:44,260 --> 01:02:48,523 Alright, maybe The Flash should not have been four and a half stars. I could see four stars 724 01:02:48,543 --> 01:02:52,606 for that because I've seen it a few times recently. And I think I gave it four and a half just 725 01:02:52,646 --> 01:02:58,038 because I got to see Christopher Reeve with Superman again. So yeah, call it like... Immediately 726 01:02:58,138 --> 01:03:03,722 post review bias as time has passed. I do think that's four stars. Blue Beetle's four stars, 727 01:03:03,762 --> 01:03:08,185 too, though. Like Blue Beetle was better than the Marvels. If you say so, bro, if you say 728 01:03:08,245 --> 01:03:14,409 so, I do say so. But that does it for this review, guys. Let us know what you thought about the 729 01:03:14,429 --> 01:03:21,233 movie by writing to us at dynamic, dual podcast at gmail.com or by or by visiting us on Instagram 730 01:03:21,353 --> 01:03:25,491 or X. You can find links to all of our accounts by checking out our show notes or visiting 731 01:03:25,571 --> 01:03:30,374 our website at dynamic duel dot com. And on our site, you can also find a link to our Patreon 732 01:03:30,414 --> 01:03:35,277 page where you can join our dynamic two tier and chat with us and fellow listeners. 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I know that Loki season two has 740 01:04:12,728 --> 01:04:17,249 had its season finale by this point, but we're actually gonna kick that review back a week 741 01:04:17,289 --> 01:04:22,667 because Jonathan will be traveling for work. So next episode is going to be in lead up to 742 01:04:22,767 --> 01:04:28,310 the upcoming team duel of the Legion of Doom versus the Masters of Evil. Therefore we are 743 01:04:28,350 --> 01:04:35,114 pitting Enchantress versus Enchantress. DC's Enchantress versus Marvel's Enchantress. Yeah, 744 01:04:35,134 --> 01:04:38,356 this will be the first time we're pitting two characters with the same name against each 745 01:04:38,396 --> 01:04:43,319 other. And Marvel's Enchantress kind of ties into Loki season two, given that Enchantress 746 01:04:43,379 --> 01:04:48,201 is also an Asgardian like Loki. Yeah, I'm looking forward to it. But that does it for this episode. 747 01:04:48,522 --> 01:04:53,243 We want to give a big thanks to our executive producers, Kent Johnson, John Strausky, Zachary 748 01:04:53,263 --> 01:04:58,224 Hepburn, Dustin Balcom, Miggy Mathen-Geehan, Brandon Estregard, Nathaniel Wagner, Levi Yeaton, 749 01:04:58,404 --> 01:05:04,325 Nick Abato, Austin Wasielowski, AJ Dunkerley, Scott Camacho, Adam Spies, and Andrew Schunk 750 01:05:04,345 --> 01:05:08,366 for helping make this podcast possible. And we'll talk to you guys next week. Up up and 751 01:05:08,386 --> 01:05:09,567 away, true believers.