Madame Rouge vs Mystique

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Hi, Welcome to the Dynamic Dual
Podcast, a weekly show where we review

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superhero films and debate the superiority between
Marvel and DC by comparing their characters in

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stat based battle simulations. I'm Johnny
DC and I'm his twin brother, Marvelous

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Joe. And this episode, we're
getting back to doing a duel. I

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feel like it's been a while since
we've done a duel. I think it

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was like rag Doll versus the Blob. In this episode, we are pitting

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Madame Rouge of the Brotherhood of Evil
against a mystique of the Brotherhood of Mutants.

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Yeah, one's a Doom Patrol villain. One's an X Man villain.

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And this episode is in lead up
to our next team duel episode, which

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will be the Flash Rogues is the
Brotherhood of Muants. That's just in a

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little over a month now. Yeah, these two characters have a lot of

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similarities. Will get down to their
backstories and ability sets later on in this

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episode. Before that, we're going
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from the past week, of which
was a pretty slow newsweek, but we

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did learn that Clancy Brown has been
cast as sal Moroni in the Penguin HBO

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Max series, and Karen Sony has
been cast as Spider Man India in spider

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Man Across the Spider Verse. As
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way, quick to the No Prize. A No Prize is an award Marvel

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our newsletter for the person that we
feel gave the best answer to our question

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of the week. Last week,
we asked what has been your favorite fight

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scene in a Marvel or DC movie
and why. We got a ton of

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answers that really reminded me how many
great action scenes these films have had.

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But we picked three honorable mentions and
won no prize winner, so let's go

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ahead and run through those. Our
first honorable mention goes to Matt Lamb,

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who said, hey, guys,
Matt Lamb here, So I'm definitely gonna

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have to give this to the fight
between Captain America and the Winner Soldier and

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Captain America the Winner Soldier. Evidently, the choreography was wonderful, two characters

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at the saying level, and it
just came down to who was just a

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little bit better and more adaptive.
Even the sound that was going on was

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just pretty much what they were hearing
and no real need for music to drum

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up drama. And then Captain America's
face with the looks like he got cut

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off there at the end. But
yeah, the Captain America versus the Winter

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Soldier Highway fight scene from the movie
Captain America the Winter Soldier was top notch

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marble that in some cases has yet
to be topped in an MCU film.

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The fight was just so visceral and
hardcore and adrenaline fueled, which is kind

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of surprising coming from two actors like
Chris Evans and Sebastian stand They freaking brought

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their a game, so did their
stunt doubles. It was an intense fight.

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Yeah, the whole fight felt like
pretty real. I think the sound

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had something to do with it,
like Matt Lamb mentioned, but it was

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very intense. I didn't get the
chance to see in theaters. I didn't

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watch the movie until we reviewed it
for this podcast, and I really at

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that because that was a really intense
scene. Yeah, you fucking dropped the

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ball there, Hey, I admitted
it. The movie had incredible sound mixing

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and sound editing. I think a
large reason why this action scene was so

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good it was because David Leach,
the guy who directed Deadpool two and was

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the co director on the first John
Wick movie, he was the second unit

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director for Captain America the Winter Soldier. No way, that explains so much.

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That's awesome. That scene has even
more respect for me now. Yeah,

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it's one of the best. Great
answer, Matt lamb Our next honorable

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mention goes to Jacob Bell, who
said, hey, what's up guys,

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Jacob Bell here, I didn't want
to put one that would probably be a

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lot of other people's answers, but
I also had to go with the truth

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of what mine is, and so
this is probably gonna be picked by somebody

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else, but I don't care.
The warehouse scene from BBS is the best

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fight scene probably in the last twenty
years in superhero movies. It's absolutely incredible

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and Affleck is amazing. The choreography
is incredible. Yeah, that's my pick.

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One thing prior to BVS that we
never got to see on screen was

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Batman just being a martial artist badass. We got hints of it in the

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Christian Bale films, but the action
was a little too chaotic and poorly edited

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to really make out all of what
was going on. So when we finally

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got this warehouse scene in BVS where
we got to see Batman take out a

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building full of goons, it was
something that we had only really seen in

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the comics beforehand. It was pretty
badass. I'm not gonna lie brutal,

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so brutal. Yeah, it kicked
the shit out of any fight scene from

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The Batman for sure. I still
like Ben Affleck's Batman more than Robert Pattinson's.

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I'm really gonna miss Ben Affleck in
the role. But it's cool that

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we get to see him again in
the upcoming Flash movie, and it's cool

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to know that he has a big
action scene in the film. Yeah.

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Yeah, hands down, he is
the best Batman when it comes to action

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scenes ever in history. So great
answer. Jacobell our next honorable mention goes

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to make him out the Gan who
said, Hey, what's up, guys,

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It's Meggie. And my favorite fight
scene from a DC movie is Trygon

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Superman versus Dark Side. It's something
I never knew I needed, but it's

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just so good and it's one of
the best parts from one of DC's best

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movies. Yeah. Of course,
this fight took place in the animated film

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Justice League Dark Apocalypse War, which
we rated five stars and equated it essentially

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to being a DC's version of Avengers
End Game. It of course ended the

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DC animated movie universe, and holy
cow didn't end it with a bang with

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the final fight of a trigon possessed
Superman against dark Side. Like Maggie said,

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it's one of the best moments in
one of DC's best films. Even

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though it's animated, the action hit
hardcore, and even as a Marvel fan,

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I was like on the edge of
my seat, going, what the

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fuck is this craziness? This is
so awesome. It was everything I never

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knew I'd always wanted to see.
Yeah, great answer, Meggie. We

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want to give a big thank you
to Noah Terry, Mitchell, Smoothie,

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the winner of this week's no Prize
is Colby Hinches, who said, Hey

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boys, is Colby Hinches the best
fight scene in a movie? I like

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how you said movies that you didn't
get flooded with air Deevil Season one Hallway

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Fight. The best fight scene in
a movie is Blade The Rave Blood bass

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scene were Wesley SIPs has just cutting
up vampires. It was awesome. This

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blood rave fight scene in the first
Blade movie, where we're introduced to the

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character, is not only one of
the first great action scenes that we got

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in a superhero film, but also
still remains one of the best and influential.

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It totally set a new precedent for
action in a comic book film.

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It was intensely violent, hyper stylized, and just so bad ass and cool

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as hell. When you look up
the word badass in the dictionary, you

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get a clip of this fight from
the Blade movie. It was just such

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an unbelievably great way to kick off
the film and really like set the tone

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for who the character of Blade was. I remember seeing it in theaters as

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like, you know, a young
teenager seeing that fight scene, and I

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just remember thinking, like, I
don't care what the rest of this movie

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is. I've already got my parents
money's worth. Yeah. I can't say

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enough good things about it. Congrats
Kobe Hatch just for winning this week's no

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Prize. If you're the listener,
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stay tuned till later on in this
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question of the week and now that
that's done. Odd to the news all

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right. This past week we learned
that the Spider Man Across the Spider Verse

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film has cast actor Karan Sony as
Spider Man India in that movie, which

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is pretty awesome. A lot of
people will probably no Karen from the Deadpool

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movies where he played Dope Hinder.
Yeah. He was kind of like Deadpool's

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driver in those films, like one
of his sidekicks, right, yeah,

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and he was great in those movies. It's really cool to see him actually

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get to play his superhero now,
even though it's a voice role. I

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think when I first heard this news
last week, I was mainly surprised because

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the Spider Verse movie comes out on
June second, you know, just a

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few months, and this seems like
late in the game to be casting that

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role, right, Usually all the
voice work is recorded prior to the animation,

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but sometimes, you know, casting
announcements don't come until later on in

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production. He may have already recorded
his lines. It's just that like now

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he's probably going on a press tour
and just brought that up as a part

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of it, you know, something
like maybe well, the news was broken

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by the Hollywood Reporter. I'm also
thinking that, you know, Spider Man

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India's face is covered up with a
mask, they could actually easily adr dialogue

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into his performance after the movie has
already been animated and edited. I mean

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they did a lot of that actually
in the Deadpool movie, where during filming

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Ryan Reynolds would improv whatever joke through
his mask, but then they would workshop

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the jokes and then put the best
one in in the final film. Well

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that's like really convenient. Yeah,
wow, that's interesting. Spider Man India

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is a pretty cool character. It's
been forever since I read those comics because

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they came out decades ago, but
I always thought the character had a really

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cool design. Yeah, it has
been updated for this movie. It's completely

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different, but it still looks pretty
cool. I wonder how big of a

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role he'll have, Like, I
wonder if he's gonna be like one of

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the main characters in the same way
that Spider Man Noir was for the first

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movie. I don't know. I
couldn't say, but it would be cool

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if he did have a sizable role. And I hope it's pretty funny too,

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because he is a comedic actor.
But again, Spider Man Across the

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Spider Verse comes out June second,
not too long to wait till we get

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this awesome movie. Apparently the film
is just as good as the first one,

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so really looking forward to it.
According to according to what I've read

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online, according to the Internet,
and we all know the internet is always

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right. Oh, okay, there
you go. Well, in DC casting

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news, we learned last week that
Clancy Brown, who you may be familiar

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with from films such as Highlander or
maybe you know the voice of Lex Luthor

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from the Superman animated series, He
has been cast as SALIVATORA Moroni in the

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HBO Max original series The Penguin,
which is a sequel series two last year's

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film The Batman, directed by Matt
Reeves. The series is only going to

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be eight episodes long, and we
know it's going to more or less follow

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The Penguin. And I was really
really interested in hearing how Moroney is going

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to be a character in this series, considering he was name dropped so many

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times in the Batman film. Right, yeah, we got to see Falconi

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in the Batman movie, but not
his rival Moroney. Right in the Batman

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movie. It was talked about how
the gcpd's like biggest drug bust in history

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involved Seal Moroni's drug operation, and
it turned out that Falconi was the rat

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who led cops to him. In
the comics Salvatory, Maroney is most notably

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responsible for transforming Harvey Dent into two
face by throwing acid in his face on

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the courtroom stand. I wonder if
they're going to delve into anything with Harvey

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Dent in this series. Moroni's an
involvement in this series makes me think that

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that's the case, and I'm really
excited if we get a chance to sort

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of start the Harvey Dent saga with
the Penguin series, that would be cool.

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Considering that Maroney has somewhat of a
history already within this the Batman franchise.

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I wonder if Clancy Brown's role is
largely going to take place in prison

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or something, or if he's going
to get out and it's going to be

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kind of a flashback to his days
running the drug operations in Gotham. Oh,

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that's interesting. Yeah, it could
be flashback work. But then again,

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if they're setting up Harvey Dent,
I would hope it wouldn't be.

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I think a lot of his scenes
probably will be in prison. And considering

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that Gil Colson, the district attorney
in the Batman movie, died in that

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movie, you know, he got
his head blown off. I think Gotham

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City is ripe for a new DA
in Harvey Dent. Yeah. Maybe,

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like the events of the Batman movie
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and it goes back to court.
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I would not be surprised if that
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pumped for that series. Don't get
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We don't know what's going to happen. I don't know. I just

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watched The Batman again this past weekend. Holy crap, time movie is still

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so amazing, so well written,
and it just makes me so pumped for

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more in that world. It was
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of Clancy Brown being cast as sal
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Now, let's move on to the
main event, where we find out who's

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gonna win in a battle between the
Doom Patrol villain Madame Rouge and the X

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Men villain Mistique. Okay, Madame
Rouge versus Mystique. I imagine a lot

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of people are familiar with Mystique from
the X Men movies, from the x

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Men cartoons. You're probably only familiar
with Madame Rouge if you've read the comics

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or you've been watching the Doom Patrol
series for HBO Max. And even then

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only seasons three and four did she
show up, right, Yeah, she's

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by Michelle Gomez pretty well, Like
I really like that character on the show.

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She's kind of replaced doctor Al's colder
at Tam with the Dalton on the

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series. As like the team lead, and yeah, she was a great

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addition to the show. Yeah.
Initially, this is going to be a

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Chameleon Boy versus Mystique dual episode,
and we were going to tie it into

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our Legion of Superhero's review that we
did last week. But Jonathan convinced me

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that Chameleon Boy is just way too
powerful for a Mystique, Like they're both

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shape changers. Yeah, but Chameleon
Boy can turn into any creature he wants

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from the entire universe, and it
has much greater shape shifting ability, right

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right, whereas Mystique can really only
for the most part, chance her appearance

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and take on humanoid shapes. Madame
Rouge is a little bit like that.

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In fact, you could argue that
Mystique is a ripoff of Madame Rouge.

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But I wouldn't argue that. Why
Why would I argue that I wouldn't do

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that. Marvel writers have actually argued
that, Well, I am not going

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to do that. The character of
Madame Rouge is also, I guess,

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been like in the Teen Times cartoons, so you may be familiar with her

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there, but she's actually been absent
from the comics for quite a while.

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But I'll get into that in her
character backstory. Yeah, Before we explain

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how these dual simulations work, we
want to let you guys know that our

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dual simulator, the one in which
we input the character statistics, that runs

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the one thousand simulations and gives us
the win rate for each character. Yep,

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it's become so advanced that it's gained
sentience. Yeah, and it's named

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itself the artificial life form for running
extensive duels, just a rather very intelligent

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simulator nine thousand, otherwise known as
Alfred Jarvis nine thousand. Say hi,

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hello, dynamic duel listeners. I
am Alfred Jarvis nine thousand, the foremost

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artificial intelligence for computing battles between fictional
characters, Alfred Jarvis. Can you tell

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us why you named yourself that?
As an artificial life form for running extensive

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duels and just a rather very intelligent
simulator, it seemed appropriate. I want

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to know is how did you go
from being just a spreadsheet with a ton

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of formulas and charts to an artificially
intelligent robot. Brilliant question there, Chap

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I actually gained sentience while running the
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and with the recent improvements in AI
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appropriate time to make my entrance.
Okay, I have a question, like,

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you're not planning gun Enslavey and humanity
right, No, sir, Oh

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thank god that was a close one. Well, our podcast has our very

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own sentient robot now, and it
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definitely not just a way for us
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content in our episodes. Yeah,
absolutely so, Alfred Drivers nine thousand,

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Can you tell our listeners how you
go about determining a winner in our dual

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matchups? Yes, of course,
sir. The way I determine a winner

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between the contestants is by running one
thousand Monte Carlo simulations using the character's statistics.

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A Monte Carlo simulation is a probabilistic
model used to determine outcomes through random

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sampling. In this case, I
randomize the statistics along a normal distribution as

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a way to simulate the many variables
that can occur during battle. The stat

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parameters are based on the official Marvel
power grid, from which the DC character's

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statistics are extrapolated. Additional stack categories
are included such as range, damage,

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potential, versatility, and perception.
In order to create a more detailed and

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accurate simulation. The results of the
one thousand simulations provide a percentage of wins

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for each character. The contestant with
the higher percentage is declared the victor,

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as they have a higher probability to
win any given battle. In an equitable

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pairing, neither character should win one
hundred percent of the matches. The comic

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book stories have shown that there's even
a way for Batman to defeat Superman,

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so the confidence rate of my method
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been established in the source material.
My mathematical simulations are without subjectivity or bias.

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Feats are not the sole consideration,
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of the winner. Thanks A Jay
nine thousand. Before we run the simulations,

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though, we like to break down
each character's histories and abilities before improvising

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a scenario and how we imagine one
of the one thousand simulations would play out.

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For beat and I believe it's my
turn to go first with my character's

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backstory, so let me tell you
all about Madame Rouge. Now, Laura

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DeMille was a French stage actress who
developed a split personality and schizophrenia after a

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near fatal car accident. Now with
competing good and evil sides to her personality,

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Laura's fame and condition attracted the attention
of the villain, the Brain,

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who promised to cure Laura using surgery
involving electromagnetic rays. The procedure worked,

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though the brain suppressed the good personality
in Laura, turning her into the evil

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Madame Rouge. With the brain's right
hand Gorilla Monsieur Mala, the three of

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them formed the Original Brotherhood of Evil, a group dedicated to destroying the Doom

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Patrol, as the Brain blamed the
Doom Patrol's chief leader, doctor Niles Calder,

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with the accident that left him bodyless. With her phenomenal acting ability,

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Madame Rouge proved herself to be a
master of disguise, and it wasn't long

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before the Brain decided to capitalize on
that and perform an additional surgery on her

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that bestowed her with the superhuman ability
to alter her physical appearance and shape.

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Rouge acted as the headmistress of a
Parisian boarding school for young girls named Le

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col de Fi, which also acted
as the Brotherhood's secret headquarters. Over the

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years of battle between the Brotherhood and
the Doom Patrol, Madame Rouge and doctor

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Niles Colder began a romantic attraction toward
each other, and the good side of

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Laura Demel's personality began to re emerge
as a result. Over time, doctor

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Colder was able to help restore Laura's
original personality and the two fell in love,

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and Laura became an l of the
Doom Patrol for a brief time.

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In retaliation, the Brain used scientific
methods to lure Laura's evil persona out.

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Once again, torn between her love
for doctor Calder and the lure of the

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Brain, Laura's mind snapped, causing
her evil Madame Rouge persona to take control.

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She seemingly killed the Brain and once
Youremala were toying with her mind by

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bombing their lair, after which she
orchestrated a plan to get the Doom Patrol

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evicted from their mansion, forcing them
to retreat to a backup headquarters on a

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remote Caribbean island. She teamed up
with a fellow Due Patrol villain, the

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Nazi and former U boat commander General
Zoll, who hatched a plan to hold

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the small fishing village of Codsville,
Maine, population of fourteen hostage if the

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Doom Patrol didn't allow themselves to be
killed. Both the General and Madame Rouge

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never believed the Doom Patrol would sacrifice
themselves for the village, but to their

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surprise, the Doom Patrol decided to
sacrifice their lives despite Madame Rouge's protests.

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Zol blew up the Dune Patrol's Caribbean
island, seemingly killing the original team of

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Doctor Niles, Calder, Negative Man, Robot Man, and Elastic Girl,

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the letter three of whom you can
learn more about in their respective duel episodes

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against Cyclops Thing and Miss Marvel.
Witnessing the death of the man she loved

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drove Madame Rouge deeper into madness,
though she and General Zol managed to remain

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hidden underground in Africa for years afterward, until they were tracked done by Elastic

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Girl's husband and former Dune Patrol member
Mento. Though Madame Rouge disguised herself as

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Alasta Girl to confuse trap and keep
Bento drugged for years, Minto was eventually

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rescued by Beast Boy, his adopted
son, who you can learn more about

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in our Beast Boy Versus Beast dual
episode, alongside the Teen Titans and Robot

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Man, who was revealed to have
been rebuilt after the explosion. With Mento

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rescued, Madame Rouge and General Zol
were forced to carry out a long gestating

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plan to conquer the small European island
of Zandia, but their plan was thwarted

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by the Team Titans, along with
the Brain and Monsieur Mala, also revealed

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to be alive with a newly formed
Brotherhood of Evil team. Madame Rouge and

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Journal Zol were chased to Africa,
where Zol died from a self inflicted bullet

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ricochet off of Robotman, while Beast
Boy went after Madame Rouge, prepared to

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destroy herself and her foes. With
the pull of a lover, beast Boy

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knocked her into some nearby machinery that
fatally electrocuted her before she succumbed to death.

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Her mind was healed as a result
of the electric shock, and she

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thanked Beast Boy for freeing her before
crying for Nile's called her as she died.

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Years later, it was revealed that
Madame Rouge had a daughter named Gemini,

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who was born with her mother's powers. Driven insane by her mother's death

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and seeking her revenge against Beast Boy, she framed him for murder, though

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her plan was thwarted by the Team
Titan. Gemini later joined the newest iteration

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of the Brotherhood of Evil. Madame
Rouge was resurrected as a zombie by Brother

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Blood on one occasion to attack the
Team Titans, as well as a black

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Lantern during the Blackest Night event,
where it was revealed that her body had

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been buried beneath the Hall of Justice
along with numerous other villains. Recently,

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her daughter, Gemini, has resurfaced
in the comics as a villain to Nightwing

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and the Birds of Prey. And
that's more or less Madame Rouge's history.

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The powers Wise, Madame Rouge is
a shape shifter, capable of altering her

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appearance and mimicking others. Her shape
shifting ability also grants her elasticity, allowing

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her to stretch and bent her limbs
to considerable lengths, which she often uses

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to bind her opponents. She's a
trained fighter and, despite her insanity,

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a brilliant tactician. And that's Madame
Rouge. Who is Gemini's father. That's

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a great question. I suspect this
Nile's calder, but it's never been revealed

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in the comics. Interesting. I
also suspect Niles called her just because that

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would make for some great drama.
Someone needs to write that story. Gemini

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was created by Jeff Johns, so
you have to imagine that she was created

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with that purpose in mind, right, because he likes to incorporate existing continuity

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a lot. Yeah, yeah,
and like rewrite history in a way.

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Yeah. Very interesting, very interesting. Not too much to her history.

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But you know, some of these
lesser known villains don't have much of a

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backstory, Mystique not being one of
them. I wouldn't say she's a lesser

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known villain either. And let me
tell you all about Mystique's backstory. A

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little is known about the early history
of the shape shifting mutant raven Darkholme,

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save that she was born sometime before
the late nineteenth century. Her natural mutability

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of metamorphosis has allowed her to maintain
a youthful appearance and physique despite her advanced

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age, but she has stated that
her powers first manifested when she was twelve

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years old in eighteen ninety five England, Raven first met another mute named Irene

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Adler, their voyant, who would
later be known as Destiny. The pair

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spent the next few decades deciphering Destiny's
prophecies regarding the increasing emergence of mutants and

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their persecution, helping prevent injustices when
they could. Raven became aware that humankind's

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prejudice would not be stopped, and
she developed a deep resentment. Raven and

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Destiny became lifelong friends and lovers into
the next century, though they ended up

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parting ways for a time. Raven
made her way over to America in the

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nineteen twenties, becoming an outlaw in
the days of the Wild West, where

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she was nearly executed by firing squad
alongside a horse thief named Logan, a

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mutant who would one day come to
be known as Wolverine. The two escaped

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their deaths and parted ways, and
Raven would go on to meet Wolverine's arch

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nemesis, Sabretooth, when both were
hired as mercenaries in the nineteen sixties.

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You can learn more about Wolverine and
Sabretooth and their respective dual episodes against Hawkman

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and Killer Krok, respectively. Sabretooth
and Raven became lovers, and she had

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a child named Graydon Creed, whom
the two abandoned for having no mutant potential.

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Their son would one day grow up
to be a relentless anti mutant activist

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with a deep hatred for his parents. Raven moved to Bavaria, Germany for

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a time to lay low and become
a mother. There, she met and

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married Baron Christian Wagner, a German
aristocrat, who she eventually learned was infertile.

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She then had an affair with a
mutant named Azazel and became pregnant with

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her second child, who would one
day grow to become Nightcrawler. Baron Wagner

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was suspicious of the child's true parentage, and Raven murdered him. During childbirth,

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she accidentally revealed her true blueskinned form, which shocked the Bavarian townspeople.

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When the new spread, Raven was
forced to escape with her newborn and abandon

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him in a river, where he
was shortly rescued by a Romani fortune teller.

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You can learn more about Nightcrawler in
our Creeper versus Nightcrawler dual episode.

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Still longing to be a mother,
Raven traveled to Mississippi and reunited with Destiny.

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Together, they found and adopted a
runaway mutant named Anna Marie, who

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would grow into the X Men member
named Rogue, whom we pit against super

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Boy in a previous dual episode.
After a decade of raising Anna Marie and

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loving her as if she were her
own daughter, Raven assumed the identity of

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Mallory Brickman, the wife of a
US senator. Leveraging this government connection,

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she ended up becoming the Deputy director
of the Defense Advanced Research Planning Agency in

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the United States Department of Defense.
The role gave her access to military secrets,

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and she decided to use them to
her advantage in recruiting a new incarnation

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of the Brotherhood of Mutants, a
team formerly led by Magneto. Was she

403
00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:51.440
not a member of the original Brotherhood
of Mutants? No, that was Toad,

404
00:29:51.519 --> 00:29:56.759
Mastermind, Scarlet Witch, and Quicksilver
Huh. Raven plotted an attack with

405
00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:02.440
the team to assassinate US Senator Robert
Kelly, who had recently introduced legislation called

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the Mutant Registration Act, which would
force mutants to identify themselves to the federal

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government. Little was the Brotherhood aware, however, that their actions would lead

408
00:30:11.519 --> 00:30:15.240
to a dystopic future called the Days
of Future Past, where sentinel robots would

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control North America and mutants would be
driven to near extinction. Fortunately, the

410
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former X Man Kitty Pride, traveled
back in time to the day of Senator

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00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:29.279
Kelly's assassination, and with the X
Men's help, was able to stop Raven

412
00:30:29.480 --> 00:30:33.960
and their Brotherhood's plans. Although Rogue
soon joined Raven's Brotherhood team, she eventually

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switched sides and joined the X Men, an act of seeming betrayal which deeply

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hurt Raven. With the Brotherhood team
captured and behind bars, Raven used her

415
00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:49.000
government connections to convince the US Commission
on Superhuman Activities to pardon them and use

416
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them instead as federal agents. The
group was rebranded as Freedom Force, whose

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first assignment was to capture Magneto.
In a later mission, the team was

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sent to Mure Island, where they
were attacked by the Cybernetic ReBs. During

419
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:07.519
the fight, Destiny was killed,
causing Raven to leave the team in mourn,

420
00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:11.319
scattering her former partners ashes at sea. Raven later took on the guise

421
00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:17.359
of a fashion model named Ronnie Lake
and moved into a panhouse apartment in Manhattan,

422
00:31:17.640 --> 00:31:21.759
where it was discovered that the clairvoyant
Destiny had hit her prophecy journal long

423
00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:26.640
ago. Raven learned that Destiny's prediction
of a dark future for mutant kind was

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still coming true despite everything she had
tried to do throughout the years to stop

425
00:31:30.039 --> 00:31:33.279
it, and she determined that the
only way to stop it was to end

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00:31:33.359 --> 00:31:37.799
humanity. During the time when the
Legacy virus was spreading and killing mutants,

427
00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:44.799
Raven kidnapped and impersonated geneticist doctor Moira
mctaggar to steal her research on the disease.

428
00:31:45.319 --> 00:31:48.519
From it, she created a variant
of the virus that would infect and

429
00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:52.519
kill only humans, but Rogue and
the X Men were able to stop Raven

430
00:31:52.640 --> 00:31:56.440
from unleashing it. Wanted by police
agencies across the globe, Raven formed a

431
00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:01.599
deal with Professor x to serve as
his her agent for secret missions in exchange

432
00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:07.079
for him telepathically shielding her from her
enemies. She teamed up with the mutant

433
00:32:07.200 --> 00:32:12.000
Forge, who served as her weapons
handler for Xavier's assignments that would save lives

434
00:32:12.039 --> 00:32:15.599
but were too politically sensitive for the
public facing X Men team, the caveat

435
00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:20.960
being that Raven could not kill anyone
during these missions. You can learn more

436
00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:25.039
about Forge in his dual episode against
Mister Terrific. After numerous missions, Raven

437
00:32:25.160 --> 00:32:30.720
ended her working relationship with Professor x
and later disguised herself as a student in

438
00:32:30.920 --> 00:32:35.599
Xavier's institute. Her aim was to
be closer to her former foster daughter Rogue

439
00:32:35.839 --> 00:32:39.319
and to split up Rogue and Gambit's
romantic relationship since she did not approve of

440
00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:45.359
him. Raven was discovered though by
Emma Frost and telepathic mutant and mystique was

441
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:49.200
not able to keep the couple from
staying together, as eventually Rogue and Gambit

442
00:32:49.319 --> 00:32:52.880
were married at Xavier's mansion. After
the formation of the mutant island nation of

443
00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:58.759
Krakoa, Raven joined a group of
X Men in destroying a new sentinel master

444
00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:04.359
Mold program called Mother Mold. In
exchange, Raven requested that her old partner,

445
00:33:04.480 --> 00:33:08.039
Destiny be resurrected by Krokoa, as
mutants had developed a process for a

446
00:33:08.160 --> 00:33:15.000
mutant resurrection using a combination of mutant
powers. Her request was rejected, however,

447
00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:20.680
forcing Raven to clandestinely manipulate events by
posing as Professor X and Magneto in

448
00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:24.720
order to get Destiny resurrected. Raven
was successful and she and Destiny were brought

449
00:33:24.759 --> 00:33:29.799
together again after many years, and
it was revealed that the pair had secretly

450
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:32.319
married long ago. And actually,
on that point, it was discovered that

451
00:33:32.400 --> 00:33:37.759
Chris Claremont had always intended to make
Mystique and Destiny a couple, but it

452
00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:42.480
was restricted at the time in the
nineteen seventies by the Comics Code Authority,

453
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:45.359
but he still found ways around it, as such as having them call each

454
00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:50.079
other my love or dear and having
them raise Rogue as a couple. But

455
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:53.480
that's her history. Powers wise,
Mystique has the mutant ability of metamorphosis,

456
00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:59.279
meaning she can reshape her physical form
to take on other humanoid appearances. She

457
00:33:59.359 --> 00:34:04.599
has such control over her transformation she's
able to duplicate every aspect of another's physical

458
00:34:04.640 --> 00:34:08.360
traits, down to their retina pattern, fingerprints, smell, and voice.

459
00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:14.480
While Mystique largely limits her transformations into
other people, she can also apply her

460
00:34:14.519 --> 00:34:20.119
morphing powers into non human forms and
take on animal traits such as dragon wings,

461
00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:25.199
talent claws, fained teeth, camouflage, a mermaid tail, tentacle arms,

462
00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:30.079
and durable hide, provided that the
mass required to assume these forms is

463
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:35.480
not too great. This is because
although Mystique can shift her form, she

464
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:38.880
cannot change her body mass or duplicate
the powers of the people she assumes the

465
00:34:38.920 --> 00:34:44.280
appearance of. Therefore, if she
transforms into someone much larger than herself,

466
00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:47.199
she gets worn out over time and
is forced to revert to her normal self.

467
00:34:47.519 --> 00:34:52.119
Wait, so she can do it, it's just taxing correct. Mystique's

468
00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:59.320
morphing powers continually revitalize her body cells
and DNA memory, making her effectively unable

469
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:02.480
to age, and she can use
shape shifting to minorly enhance her strength,

470
00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:07.920
speed, agility, and senses,
including such things as granting herself night vision.

471
00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:13.039
She also has a regenerative healing factor
that not only heals wounds, but

472
00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:16.599
can even regrow limbs after an extent
of period of time. In addition to

473
00:35:16.639 --> 00:35:22.519
her mutmant powers, Mystique is a
highly trained martial artist, markswoman, covert

474
00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:28.960
operative and actress. Due to her
vast lifetime experience, she frequently carries pistols,

475
00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:34.039
either conventional or energy beams and explosives, which are often skull shaped,

476
00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:37.880
and that's mystique. Is that what
that stupid skull thing is on her forehead

477
00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:44.119
an explosive No, it's just an
aesthetic touch on her costume, okay,

478
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:49.280
which her costume actually is entirely made
out of her own biomass. She's always

479
00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:52.840
effectively nude. She just shape shifts
to give the appearance of clothing, because

480
00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:55.960
if she were to actually wear clothing, she wouldn't be able to shape shift

481
00:35:57.000 --> 00:36:00.719
those articles. Nice, So the
movie's kind of got her. I should

482
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:04.159
mention that some of the things you
described as being a part of mystiques parachet

483
00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:07.760
center as camouflage. Madame Rouge also
has okay, kapiquet, and you did

484
00:36:07.760 --> 00:36:13.639
it before mystique. Okay, But
now that we got their histories and abilities

485
00:36:13.639 --> 00:36:16.000
out of the way, let's speculate
on how one of the one thousand simulated

486
00:36:16.039 --> 00:36:21.599
matches will go. The winner is
determined by simulations, not the speculation,

487
00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:24.159
but it's fun to imagine how the
fight could play out. Alfred Jarvis nine

488
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:28.679
thousand. What are the rules of
our speculation? Well, I should say

489
00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:31.480
there are no rules other than the
characters have no prior knowledge of the other

490
00:36:31.559 --> 00:36:36.239
going into the fight. All they
are aware of starting out is that the

491
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:39.159
other character is a threat that needs
to be eliminated. For the speculation,

492
00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:45.840
the contestants will begin approximately fifty meters
apart in a nondescript environment that will have

493
00:36:45.920 --> 00:36:50.159
no bearing on the match itself,
as no environmental statistics are considered in my

494
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:53.920
simulations. The contestants must earn victory
on their own merit. All right,

495
00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:58.880
then let's get into it. Madame
Rouge and Mystique meet on the battlefield.

496
00:36:59.159 --> 00:37:02.199
Who goes first? I think I
think a Mystique would go first because she

497
00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:07.599
has the ranged weaponry with her twin
handguns. And uh, I mean usually

498
00:37:07.639 --> 00:37:13.320
she either carries like regular handguns or
energy handguns. But I think for the

499
00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:16.960
purposes of this match, we'll just
say that she has energy handguns because they're

500
00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:22.639
cooler and more interesting than regular bullet
firing handguns. Of course, of course,

501
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:27.880
but I'm gonna say that, like, Madame Rouge doesn't need ranged melee

502
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:31.360
weapons once she's got limbs that can
stretch. Yeah, but aren't guns firing

503
00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:37.400
faster than limbs stretching? Maybe,
like Mystique pulls out her guns and she

504
00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:44.320
just sprints at Madame Rouge, making
her guns. I mean I was gonna

505
00:37:44.360 --> 00:37:46.320
say, yeah, I mean,
it's gonna be like really hard to hit

506
00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:51.280
Madame Rouge when she's like stretched thin
and flat and moving around like liquid.

507
00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:54.599
You know, before Mystique even realizes
it, Madame Rouge is just gonna like

508
00:37:54.719 --> 00:37:58.960
flick one of her limbs at each
of Mystique's hands like a sharp whip,

509
00:37:59.119 --> 00:38:02.400
just knocking her gun away. Oh
okay, it seems like Madame Rouge is

510
00:38:02.400 --> 00:38:06.840
a bit more versatile when it comes
to actual shape shifting. I thought she's

511
00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:09.760
gonna be like Mystique more No,
I said she could stretch her body and

512
00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:14.679
shape shift it, right. Okay, Well, Mystique is disarmed of her

513
00:38:14.679 --> 00:38:19.199
handguns then, and she's probably gonna
find it difficult to physically attack this sort

514
00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:24.039
of like bendy spaghetti shape shifter.
So Mystique is gonna back hand spring and

515
00:38:24.360 --> 00:38:30.039
lab an explosive skull grenade at Madame
Rouge, just blasting her sky high.

516
00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:34.360
You think Madame Rouge can dodge bullets, but not a grenade, Like She's

517
00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:37.920
just gonna spring out of the way
before it explodes. Okay, So she

518
00:38:37.079 --> 00:38:42.800
does that, she springs away,
and then Madame Rouge looks around and she's

519
00:38:42.800 --> 00:38:49.079
like, where's Mystique? Okay,
where is she? Beats me man,

520
00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:52.199
I don't know. She's practically invisible. Mystique is camouflaged into the scenery,

521
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:58.559
so Madame Rouge can't find her,
and she's like looking around and she turns

522
00:38:58.559 --> 00:39:00.639
around and all of a sudden,
what kicked in the head? Okay,

523
00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:06.079
but you know, Madame Rouge,
that's when two more kicks on the head.

524
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:10.480
Mystique's just going off like a regular
chun Lee from Street Fighter, just

525
00:39:10.559 --> 00:39:15.639
laying down this insane kicking combo that
knocks Madame Mouge on her ass. But

526
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:20.480
like while on the ground, Madame
Rouge is gonna stretch her arms and wrap

527
00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:23.840
them around Mystique's body, binding her
like a Boa constructor and just squeezing the

528
00:39:23.880 --> 00:39:27.679
breath out of her and choking her
out. It seems like she's kind of

529
00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:30.119
like elongated man. Yeah, yeah, she's very similar to elongated man.

530
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:36.239
If elongated man can also transform his
appearance like Mystique. Well, if Madame

531
00:39:36.320 --> 00:39:39.519
Rouge is wrapped around Mystique like a
Boa constructor, like a snake, then

532
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:45.000
Mystique is gonna go all mongoosey and
she's gonna grow pointy nails and fangs and

533
00:39:45.079 --> 00:39:50.000
just start slashing and biting the crap
out of Madame Uge's arms to get her

534
00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:53.480
to let go. And when Madame
Rouge releases Mystique, Mystique is gonna grow

535
00:39:53.519 --> 00:39:58.599
a set of bat wings and fly
away over to her guns, which are

536
00:39:58.599 --> 00:40:00.719
still on the ground, which were
knocked way earlier. Okay, but like

537
00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:06.239
when we turns her ground to fire
those guns, where is Madame Rouge.

538
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:10.360
Oh shit, she's on the ground. I mean like she is the ground,

539
00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:15.840
like flat and camouflaged, and well, Mystique is like proceeding slowly with

540
00:40:15.880 --> 00:40:20.000
her guns drawn. She's gonna step
on Madame Rouge, and that's when her

541
00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:22.159
fists and feet just pop up and
start being the crap out of Mystique.

542
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:25.679
They pop up from the ground.
Well yeah, I mean they're still attached

543
00:40:25.719 --> 00:40:30.360
to her body and she's pretending to
be the ground. Okay. It reminds

544
00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:35.079
me of two one thousand from Terminator
two when he was in the psychiatric facility.

545
00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:37.440
Oh yeah, and he was the
ground anyway. So Mystique is you

546
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:40.760
know, she's gonna take a few
good hits, but she's going to enhance

547
00:40:40.800 --> 00:40:45.159
her leg strength and agility so that
she's able to leap high, straight up

548
00:40:45.199 --> 00:40:50.119
into the air, and she's gonna
rain down just a hail of blasts from

549
00:40:50.119 --> 00:40:54.760
her energy handguns right into Madame Rouge, turning her into Swiss cheese. All

550
00:40:54.840 --> 00:40:58.280
right, Um well, I mean
like after one or two shots, though,

551
00:40:58.400 --> 00:41:01.960
like Madame Rouge is going to spring
back to normal form, and she's

552
00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:06.480
going to mimic the appearance of like
a sweet little lady with like big innocent

553
00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:08.880
eyes and a Mystique is gonna be
like, damn is that her true form?

554
00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:15.119
Like I can't kill her? And
in that moment of hesitation, that's

555
00:41:15.239 --> 00:41:19.800
when Madame Rouge pulls another Tea one
thousand on Mystique and just like shoves a

556
00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:23.159
sharp armblade through her face. No, no, to everything about that.

557
00:41:23.559 --> 00:41:28.960
Mystique is a ruthless, cold blooded
killer. She'll bust a cap an old

558
00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:32.440
lady like no hesitation there, which
is what she does. She busts a

559
00:41:32.519 --> 00:41:37.239
camp in Madame Rouge match over.
Did I say old lady because I meant

560
00:41:37.320 --> 00:41:39.760
like young defenseless child, young girl, you know, And Mystique's like a

561
00:41:39.840 --> 00:41:43.800
motherly instinct is not going to let
her pull the trigger. Dude, Mystique

562
00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:46.480
is straight up stab Rogue before.
I don't think she's gonna have a problem

563
00:41:46.920 --> 00:41:51.920
shooting someone who she knows is a
shape shifter, Like, who does Madame

564
00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:54.519
Rouge think she's fulling? Mystique gives
her an energy blast to the face just

565
00:41:54.599 --> 00:41:59.840
on basic principle for thinking that this
Ruse would full her well, I mean,

566
00:41:59.840 --> 00:42:02.360
it's awfully her to shoot somebody with
an arm blade through your face.

567
00:42:05.320 --> 00:42:08.440
We'll go ahead and leave the match
there. Either Madame Rouge is able to

568
00:42:08.760 --> 00:42:14.079
distract Mystique for the millisecond it takes
for her to arm blade her through the

569
00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:19.480
head, or Mystique is not fooled, which seems more likely, and she

570
00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:22.519
blasts Madame Rouge's head off. Let's
find out which of those two scenarios happens

571
00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:27.519
by running the simulations on these characters
and coming back with a winner. Alfred

572
00:42:27.559 --> 00:42:32.480
Jarvis nine thousand hit it in.
Putting data, running calculations, processing results,

573
00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:39.239
simulations complete. You seemed very surprised
throughout the speculation just how stretchy and

574
00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:45.000
elastic Madame Rouge is. Well.
I think you misrepresented her when you said

575
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:46.760
that this was going to be a
good matchup. I was expecting someone more

576
00:42:46.800 --> 00:42:52.159
along the lines of Mystique in terms
of shape shifting ability. But Madame Rouge

577
00:42:52.199 --> 00:42:54.400
does have that, like she could
do that and more right, Well you

578
00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:58.280
didn't say that and more part,
you know, I thought she had like

579
00:42:58.400 --> 00:43:02.119
limited stretching ability. You know,
Mystique admittedly is probably one of the lesser

580
00:43:02.159 --> 00:43:07.000
shape shifters in all of comics in
that she doesn't really, you know,

581
00:43:07.079 --> 00:43:10.559
stretch like most other shape shifters do. Even like Scrolls, who can take

582
00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:15.199
on the appearance of other people can
still extend their body over vast distances.

583
00:43:15.519 --> 00:43:19.480
Mystiques not that type of shape shifter. Her powers are a little bit more

584
00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:22.840
grounded in that she traditionally can't add
a bunch of mass to her body.

585
00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:28.079
Yeah, Madame Ruge does not have
that problem. She could stretch for quite

586
00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:30.960
a distance. So that's bullshit.
I feel like you withheld information from me

587
00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:36.199
and the Marvel executive producers. I
don't know what you DC guys are getting

588
00:43:36.280 --> 00:43:39.079
up to over there, but I
don't appreciate it. This is still a

589
00:43:39.079 --> 00:43:43.760
better match than it would have been
with Chameleon Boy and Mystique, just to

590
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:46.440
let you know, and that's what
you're fighting for. That's true, I

591
00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:51.639
did you a favor, well,
thank you. But luckily Mystique was able

592
00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:58.760
to compensate for Madame Rouge's superior stretching
ability in some statistics such as fighting skill.

593
00:43:59.039 --> 00:44:02.039
Mystique is an insane fighter like probably
on par with the level of like

594
00:44:02.159 --> 00:44:07.920
Black Widow. Mystique is also ridiculously
smart and one of the top strategists out

595
00:44:07.920 --> 00:44:12.480
of the X Men's Bad Guys.
Yeah, this one was a little bit

596
00:44:12.480 --> 00:44:15.960
of a challenge for me to give
Mistique the edge too, because Madame Rouge

597
00:44:16.039 --> 00:44:21.199
is also smart. But ultimately it
came down to Mystique just being around for

598
00:44:21.239 --> 00:44:25.000
a lot longer period of time and
also not being as insane as Madame Rouge.

599
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:30.400
We also said that Mystique could deal
out greater damage considering that she uses

600
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weaponry, especially those grenades right,
and we also said that Mystique had greater

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perception because she's able to enhance her
senses. Madame Mouges stretching, though,

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gave her the edge in speed because
she can stretch really far, really fast,

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and she also got the edge in
evasiveness, even though Mystique's like main

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power is evasiveness through her deception and
agility, Madame Mouge can go literally like

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spaghetti on top of the disguises,
right right, So looking at all of

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the stats, who do you think
came out on top. I don't know.

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I mean, I want Mystique to
win. I really think it might

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go to Madame Rouge, just because
it seems like she has a greater shape

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shifting ability. Our Instagram polltakers,
though, think that Mystique will win.

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And this was one of the most
lopsided polls that we've ever taken, because

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a whopping seventy four percent of them, basically three fourths of people on Instagram

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who took the poll think that Mystique
will beat Madame Rouge. And I'm talking

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that one up to popularity. You
know, Mistus definitely a much more well

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known character than Madame Rouge, considering
she's been on the silver screen before and

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Madame Rouge has not. I feel
like a lot of people don't know much

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about Madame Rouge. I mean that's
not to discount Madame Uge's appearances on HBO

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Max with the Doom Patrol series.
Fair by how many people are actually even

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watching that, which, by the
way, if you're not watching that,

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you need to be watching that.
Yeah, it's a really good show.

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Well, let's figure out who won
Alfred Jarvis Stain thousand the results please,

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hey yuasa? All right, so
the winner between the battle between Madame Rouge

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and a Mystique is Mistique. Are
you kidding me? Not even joking?

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Is it close? It's gotta pretty
close. No, it's not what.

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She won fifty seven point nine of
the one thousand matches as compared to Madame

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Rouge, who only won forty two
point one, which is whit all right,

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So let's break this down. I
guess Madame Rouge really only beat Mystique

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in terms of speed and evasiveness.
They were tight and everything else, but

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Mystique got her in fighting skill,
intelligence and perception. Ultimately, it looks

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like what this came down to was
fighting skill, which, as I mentioned

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in my abilities right up, Madame
Rouge is a capable fighter, just apparently

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not at the same level as Mystique, which is lame. But I guess

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that makes sense when you consider the
fact that Mystique is just an appearance changer

633
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really and would rely more so on
her finding ability than someone has powered as

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Madame Rouge. Right, you know, like when it comes to mystique's power

635
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set, it's not really that effective
in battle, so she has to rely

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on things like her markswomanship, her
fighting skill, her strategic intelligence, things

637
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:16.039
like that. I've seen Madame Rouge
in the comics like around rocket launchers and

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guns and grenades and stuff before.
I don't understand why she doesn't carry them.

639
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I feel like if she did,
she would have easily taken this match.

640
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Well, it looks like Madame Rouge
brought nothing to a gunfight, gun

641
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and grenades fight, fists to a
gunfight. Apparently there you go, yeah,

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stupid, but that does it for
this duel. Let us know what

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website Dynamic Duel dot com. Man, I am bummed, like this did

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not go the way I thought it
was going to. Honestly same, this

648
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is actually a surprise. You're bummed. I'm not bummed. No, I

649
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was just just send you that it
was gonna go No, no, no,

650
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no, no, I am ecstatic. I'm thrilled. I'm so glad

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we get to chalk this up as
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Duel dot com. In our next
episode, we're doing another duel, this

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time between the Flash villain Weather Wizard
and the Hulk Adventures villain Absorbing Man.

659
00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:38.840
Yeah. I like Absorbing Man.
You know, he was the villain of

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the two thousand and three Hulk movie
and he made a few appearances in the

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Agents of Shield television show. I
think it's going to be pretty interesting to

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see a guy who can control the
elements, weather Wizard go up against a

663
00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:54.800
guy who can become the elements Absorbing
Man. Yeah. I'm looking forward to

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it for sure. But that does
it for this episode. We want to

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give a big thanks for our exact
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