Batman: The Doom That Came to Gotham Review

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Ye. Welcome to the Dynamic Dual
Podcast, a weekly show where we review

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Marvel and DC by comparing their characters in

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DC and I'm his twin brother Marvelous Joe,

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and in this episode, we are
reviewing the latest directive video DC animated

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film, Batman The Doom That Came
to Gotham. I first read this comic

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around when the podcast came out.
I loved it, but I loved the

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movie even more. Yeah, it
was a good film. I had no

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expectations going into it, but I
was pleasantly surprised by how good it was.

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So I can't wait to talk about
it. Just a quick reminder that

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our next episode will be our team
duel where we finally find out who's gonna

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win between the Flashes Rogues and the
Brotherhood of Mutants from the X Men.

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Yeah. Unfortunately, I'm out of
town this week, so that was going

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to be this episode, but we're
going to push it back to next week.

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Really looking forward to it. Really
grateful that The Batman of the Doom

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that Came to Gotham movie came out
this past week so we could review it,

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which we'll do later on in this
episode. Before that, we're going

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to break down the comic book movie
news took him out in the past week,

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all Marvel news until the Blue Beetle
trailer comes out, But we're gonna

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be talking about how Live Tyler is
returning as Betty Ross for Captain America New

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World Order, and we got an
official trailer for the Secret Invasion television series

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for Disney Plus. As always,
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But with the out of the way, quick to the New Prize. No

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Prize is an award Marvel used to
give out to fans our version, the

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Dynamic Dual. No Prize is a
digital award we post on Instagram and in

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our email newsletter for the person that
we feel gave the best answer to our

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question of the week. Last week's
question was if you could cast any musician

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as a character in a live action
Marvel or DC film. Who would you

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cast and what role would they play? We got a lot of very I

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guess I don't know esoteric answers here. I'm not really keeping up with what

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the kids are listening to these days, so I had to do a lot

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of research for this particular No Prize
just so I could be well informed who

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these people were talking about. Jonathan, I know for sure you have no

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idea who any of these people are. I was gonna fight you, but

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you're probably right. Let's go ahead
and run down the honorable mentions as well

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as the No Prize winner. Our
first honorable mention goes to Lizzie Dyer Arney,

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who said, Hey, it's Lizzie
and I'm casting Nick Jonas as Nightwing

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now. Like Dick Grayson, Nick
Jonas was also a teen idol with his

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band of Brothers before striking out on
his own. He shined in films like

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Jumanji, and he was hilarious on
Saturday Night Live. He'd make it a

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great addition to the DCU, and
I think there'd be a great soundtrack in

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there as well. I've seen Nick
Jonas, I think in only one film,

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but I know he's done a few. I saw him in the Jumanji

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film, and like how Nick Jonas
has you know two other brothers whose names

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I can't remember, Nick Jonas and
Rick Jonas and Dick Jonas. There you

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go. But like their brotherly bond, the robins of the Batman family also

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have this brotherly bond, so there's
a nice parallel there. I do think

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the guy resembles Dick Rayson, and
a lot of the ladies love him,

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so I actually think this fits pretty
well. I don't think I could name

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a single Jonas brothers song don't lie
to us. We all know you're their

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biggest fan. Come on, I'm
just wondering if this also means that like

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Rick, Ord Dick or whatever their
names are, would also be like Jason

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Todd and Tim Drake. That would
be interesting. I know there's a Joe

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Jonas, Joe Jonas Jonas Jojoe.
I think they call him Jojoe. That's

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sure. Some people listening to this
so like, I hate you guys so

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much. That's gonna be the case
for all these answers. Great answer,

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Lizzie. Our next honorable mention goes
to Migge math and Gian, who said,

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Hey, what's up, guys?
Is Miggie and I would cast Oscar

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Award winning musician her as the DC
hero Bumblebee. U. I chose her

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because she is half Filipino and so
I just represent you know, my culture.

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Um, but in terms of Bumblebee, I just kind of chose Bumblebee.

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I could see her playing like a
younger character like Rocket as well.

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Um, yeah, keep up the
good work, guys. This feels like

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a who's on first answers who's good
for the role? Her? Who?

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Yeah? I think she probably did
that on purpose, but uh no,

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I had to look her up and
she's actually incredible. I thought she'd be

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just some like generic musician to play
Bumblebee, but she actually has a lot

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of charisma. She seems really well
suited for a role like Bumblebee. Her

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music is pretty badass. She like
sang at the Grammys and then played the

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drums. It was fucking epic,
Like I had no idea. She fucking

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rocked it. It was awesome.
Nice. Nice. Bubble Bee is a

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is a cool character. She's had
a lot of prevalence lately in cartoons.

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I think she's overdue for some on
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musician were to player I honestly don't
think you could do better than her?

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Then who her? You know who? All right? Our next honorable mention

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goes to Jacob Bell, who said, Hey, what's up guys, Jacob

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Bell here, I would definitely cast
Jaden Smith to play Tim Drake Robin.

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I think Jaden is a good actor. I wish he would act more.

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I love his music, and he's
got the acting chops. He's got them

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because a karate kid, he's kind
of got the training and the fighting stuff

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definitely down the age works out,
the look is good. I think Jaden

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Smith is Tim Drake would be awesome. Now. I didn't know Jaden Smith

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was a musician. I just thought
he was an actor because I am completely

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out of the current music scene.
But I looked up his songs as well.

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He did a song for the Spider
Verse soundtrack which I loved, and

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the song that he dropped for that
was actually really damn good. So yeah,

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I like this a lot. Yeah, I don't really keep up to

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date with his music, but I
think he's a great actor. You know,

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Going all the way back to the
Pursuit of Happiness, I was incredibly

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surprised by how much I liked his
new version of the Karate Kid. That's

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a fantastic movie. And I'm not
sure how many other acting projects he's been

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in recently, but I agree.
I think you would be a great Robin

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character. I know he's a fan
of Batman. Didn't he were like the

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white Batman outfit to like a Kardashian
event or something like that. It was

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a moon night for sure. No, no, you wish. We know

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that we've already gone our first live
action Tim Drake in the Titans television series.

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We just recently got our first look
of what that Robin costume will look

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like, and it looks really cool. I think if they can adapt something

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similar for Jaden Smith if he were
to play Tim Drake, I think that'd

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be really cool. Yeah, the
Titan series has fantastic costumes. Fantastic.

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We want to give a quick shout
out to Kolbe Henchis Griffin, John Stoski,

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Ken Johnson, Matt Lamb, and
Noah Terry for visiting her website and

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dropping their no Prize answers. Thank
you so much for taking the time to

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do that. But the winner of
this week's no Prize is Brandon Estergard,

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who said Hey, guys, I
would cost woutang clowns both in Man as

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X Men's Bishop. Not only is
he a huge fan of the character,

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he would that's part really well.
Bishop's also a character that definitely deserves more

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screen time. And you know why
I had to go with this answer,

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right, utang utang clan ain't nothing
to fuck with. That's why. Yes,

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a method Man as Bishop I think
would be freaking awesome. Method Man

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did guest star in the Luke Cage
television show, so he might make a

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good Luke Cage too. But I
think he actually really looks like the character

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of Bishop from the comics. Yeah, it seems like he's a really big

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Marvel fan, which is a huge
plus as well. Yeah, I think

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he's actually had a few podcasts about
Marvel. Yeah. I recently just learned

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that. That's awesome. That's really
cool. I mean, it would be

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better for his his DC but still
I know that he played ben Yurick in

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the Marvel's podcast. Oh that's cool, that's really cool. Yeah. The

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best answer I heard for this question
of the week actually came in the discord,

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but nobody submitted it, which is
a shame. But somebody suggested Ozzy

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Osbourne as Mofisto, and I could
not think of a better answer. If

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they would have submitted that that would
have won the no Prize. I was

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expecting at least one person to say, like Gene Simmons for Lobo, but

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no, A lot of great stuff
left on the table. Everybody who called

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in their answers were pretty good,
so we'll be posting them to our discord

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and discussing them on that chat server. But congrats again to Brandon Estergard for

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winning this week's no Prize. If
you the listener, want a shot at

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winning your own no Prize, stay
tuned too later on this episode when we'll

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be asking another question of the week. And now that that's done, odd

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to the news, all right,
and a bit of surprising news. Actually,

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I think this is some of the
most surprising news that we've gotten in

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a while. We learned this past
week from The Hollywood Reporter that Live Tyler

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from the two thousand and eight Incredible
Hulk film starring Edward Norton will be returning

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as Betty Ross in the upcoming Captain
America New World Order film, which is

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awesome. We've been waiting to see
Betty Ross again ever since that original movie.

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It's almost like the MC you just
kind of forgot about her and her

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supporting role alongside the Hulk. I
think it'll be really fascinating to see Mark

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Ruffalo interact with the same actress that
was in that Edward Norton movie. Live

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Tyler could be like, wow,
you look really different, Bruce. Yeah,

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maybe we might get an in the
universe explanation as to why Bruce Banner's

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face changed. Yeah, yeah,
totally. That'd be actually kind of cool.

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There are a lot of rumors that
Thunderbolt Ross is going to be the

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Red Hulk in this movie, So
I'm wondering if they're going to make Eddie

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Ross Harpy in this upcoming movie,
who is again a mutate formerly the Red

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she Hulk from the comics. So
we might see liv Tyler as a hero

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or villain in Captain America New World
Order. It's really shaping up to seem

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like this new Captain an American movie
is like the Incredible Hulk too, kind

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of like how thor Ragnarok was also
kind of a Hulk film in addition to

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a Thorror movie, right, especially
because we know that Tim Blake Nelson is

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going to be the villain of the
film as the leader, right right,

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And of course we know that the
Hulk still can't have his own film due

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to a distribution rights disagreement with Universal
and Disney. Yeah, Universal is never

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going to give up those rights.
There's like no reason for them to do

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that. They'll expire eventually, but
for now, I like this idea of

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a cap Hulk movie team up.
In other news, we got the official

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trailer for Marvel Studio Secret Invasion.
Now, those of you who have listened

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to the show for a while know
that I loved the teaser trailer we got

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a few months back. I even
nominated it as a contender for Best Trailer

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of last Year in Our Brothers Awards
because I thought did a great job of

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portraying paranoia and conspiracy type thriller that
the Winter Soldier movie was. This recent

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trailer that dropped this week was probably
the exact opposite of that previous teaser trailer

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in that this new trailer didn't really
drop anything new. It was basically Samuel

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Jackson walking around like a badass as
Nick Fury talking about how he has to

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put a stop to this scroll issue. But we barely even see any scrolls.

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I mean that we know of that's
true, and you know, maybe

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seeing a scroll might be a spoiler
or something like that, but I don't

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know. I just think they should
have shown us more in this trailer in

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order to draw up excitement for it, because I don't think this trailer was

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very exciting. It's very Nick Fury
focused once again. And I was kind

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of surprised because I was under the
impression that Amelia Clark's character, who I

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guess as Taylos's daughter, was going
to be the protagonist of the series.

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Well, the Tailos's daughter thing was
a revelation by a Vanity Fair article,

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which I actually think was much more
interesting than this trailer. If you guys

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haven't read the Vanity Fair article about
Secret Invasion, they have a lot of

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great new photos in there, photos
that weren't in this preview, as well

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as some revelations like who Amelia Clark
is playing, who is in fact Taylos's

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daughter from the Captain Marvel film,
which is a reveal that the showrunners of

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Secret Invasion don't necessarily consider a spoiler. As stated in that article, it

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definitely seems like there's two factions of
scrolls, and I guess we saw this

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in the teaser as well. One
that's like on Taylos' side and one that's

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against Taylos. Yeah, the side
that's being led by Kingsley Benneddier's character.

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I feel like it's honestly difficult to
discuss this trailer more than what we got

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in the teaser trailer because it's just
all so mysterious. Exactly. Yeah,

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it's just basically a lot of vague
statements followed by badass shots of Nick Fury,

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and there's nothing really more to be
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article if you're interested in Secret Invasion. I would say I'm still looking forward

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to the show. We got a
release state for it of June twenty first

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on Disney Plus. It's gonna be
six episodes long, so it's going to

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run into August. And despite the
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it's still gonna be really, really
good. I mean, you call the

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trailer lackluster, I still think it
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excited for it. It's just,
you know, there's not much to talk

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about. It's not going to get
anybody more excited. Who wasn't already Yeah,

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possibly probably, but definitely check it
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point in the future. But speaking
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on to the main event, where
we review the latest DC animated director video

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film Batman. The Doom that Came
to Gotham. Okay, Batman. The

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Doom That Came to Gotham is DC's
latest director video animated film, a standalone

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story that adapts a three issue else
World's comic series written by Mike Mignola,

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the creator of Hellboy, and Richard
Pace. I first read the series before

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we started the podcast, and I
thought it was incredible, so I was

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pretty excited when I heard that DC
was adapting this to an animated film.

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I love DC Elseworld stories, which
are often standalone and take place outside of

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DC's standard continuity, because you could
break the rules and raise the stakes,

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and that's absolutely the case for The
Doom That Came to Gotham. Yeah,

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I really like this film. I
thought it would be more like a Batman

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story with lovecrafty and elements, but
to my surprise, it was more like

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a Lovecraft story with Batman in it. Yeah. Yeah, totally. There

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are a lot of surprises and easter
eggs in this story, even more in

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the film than in the comics,
so I definitely recommend watching the movie before

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listening any further to this spoiler review. Now, the story borrows a lot

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from the literary works of HP Lovecraft. As you mentioned, who was one

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of the most influential writers of the
twentieth century, so much so that he

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literally inspired his own subgenre known as
Lovecrafty and horror, which this film would

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fall under. Lovecraft imagined an entire
pantheon of these malevolent deities and cosmic horrors

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that defied description and devastated the minds
of the characters that saw or even learned

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about them. His most famous creation, obviously is Cthulhu, but there are

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dozens of other monstrosities that he wrote
about, and there are quite a few

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analogs in the Doom that came to
Gotham. I only have a cursory knowledge

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of the Cthulhu mythos, but I
believe this film's dreaded antagonist, Iaksatha is

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based on Lovecraft's Yasa Thoth, also
known as the Beyond One, the Lurker

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at the Threshold, or the Key
and the Gates, whose Carrazo's cult probably

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inspired the comics Cult of Ghoul.
The Testament of Goul, I believe,

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is an analog to the Necremicon,
this book of forbidden knowledge that drives readers

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insane that appears in many Lovecraft's works. For fans of Lovecraft, this movie

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has a treasure trove of Easter eggs, and for casual viewers at the very

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least, serves as a gate way
into Lovecraft's incredibly well imagined myth those.

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Yeah, I've only been like tangentially
aware of HP Lovecraft's pulp horror stuff,

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but this movie actually has me fascinated
to dive deeper into his works because all

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of his works are in the public
domain, so I'm kind of actually surprised

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that his stuff isn't adapted more.
I think most recently we saw a lot

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of his stuff in Lovecraft Country,
the HBO television series, but I haven't

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seen that. That was good.
That was really good. I want to

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watch that. I want to read
his books. It all seems really freaking

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cool. The main reason I haven't
read his books is because I'm afraid to.

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Like. His pantheon just seems so
real, so you're afraid that you'll

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read it and then all of a
sudden join the Cult of Cthulhu or something.

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I feel like i'd be forced to
like people are just like kidnap me,

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putting me in Vanley Black. You
know too much? Now, you

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know, I don't know stupid,
but lovecrafting Easter eggs aren't the only treats

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to be had in this film,
since it's a standalone l World's Tail outside

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of DC continuity. There are lots
of twists to familiar characters in Batman's cast,

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such as a frozen zombie that resembles
mister Freeze, a psyche take on

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Barbara Gordon capable of communing with the
dead, or a version of two Face

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that's so deformed his wormy fleshed branches
off his body and covers a wall it's

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horrifying. Some twists are more belevolent, such as turning Green Arrow into a

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noble paladin, and some twists were
made only for the movie, such as

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turning Jason Todd into a young Indian
orphan named Sanjay Todd, or replacing Tim

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Drake with an amalgam of Cassandra Kane
and Carrie Kelly named Kylie Kane. Yeah.

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That blew my mind when I realized
that these kids were supposed to be

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the Robbins, because obviously we knew
who Dick Grayson was. But it wasn't

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until Alfred referred to Sanjay as mister
Todd that I realized, Oh my god,

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Sanjay is just a audio anagram kind
of of Jason Sanjay Jason. Yeah,

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exactly. It's really cool, and
it's more interesting that Bruce Wayne kind

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of picked them all up as his
wards during his travels and education on becoming

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Batman. Yeah. I thought that
was actually a really cool take on how

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he came to adopt his sidekicks.
But also, HP Lovecraft was notoriously racist,

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so it was nice to introduce some
ethnic diversity in a film inspired by

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his work. Oh damn, well, maybe I don't want to read this

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stuff anymore. There are a number
of other changes made in the film that

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I think we're going to improvement to
the source material. Actually, Like in

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the comics, Bruce never communes with
his father, Thomas Wayne. He spoke

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with the university librarian, Professor Manford
instead, and it wasn't in Arkham Asylum,

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a location I don't remember being in
the comic books, even though the

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name Arkham was based on the name
of a fictional city in Lovecraft's books.

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Oh interesting. Batman also never fell
into a lazarous pit in the comics,

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and I think it was smart to
do it here, as it not only

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has ties to Ross all gool but
because it also helps explained Bruce's steep descent

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into madness afterward. Those are just
a few of the changes, but I

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preferred all of the changes they made. And in an almost sad way,

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I feel like the film makes the
comics obsolete. I don't always mind when

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that happens. Actually, while reading
the source material is always fun, it

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takes longer than watching a movie,
you know. True, although this is

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a pretty quick read. It's only
three issues now. I say almost sad

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because I did really enjoy this movie, and I think mostly because of how

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it's else world nature allows it to
have such incredible stakes. People die,

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the entire world is threatened, and
Batman is changed forever. It's a tragedy,

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which is rare in the superhero genre. In dramatic storytelling, a tragedy

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is defined as a serious story with
a sad ending with the intention of teaching

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a lesson, as opposed to a
comedy, which is a humorous story with

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a happy ending and tended to entertain. The superhero stories are off intended to

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entertain. We go into them knowing
that the good guy is going to win,

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that good will prevail, and though
the ultimate threat in this movie is

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conquered, it's not by Batman.
Bruce Wayne is essentially dead at the end

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and got them literally burned down.
I don't value entertainment as much as I

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do a strong theme or lesson.
It's one of the reasons I think I

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prefer DC, and one of the
reasons why I really liked this movie.

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Marvel has its share of tragic tales. You don't know what you're talking about.

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Name one said spider Man, stay
fuck, I said, besides spider

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Man. Yeah, spider Man does
do tragedy the best I think, Yeah,

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as does Batman for DC. But
also look at characters like the Hulk

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or the X Men. You know
a lot of tragedy there too. There's

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actually been a number of tragic Batman
tales. I think one of them being

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The Dark Night. Yeah, oh
totally, and to an extent, even

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the Batman. Yeah, I can
see that now. The overarching theme of

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this film was how the sins of
the father pass on to this son,

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and how once actions can have cascading
consequences for their family down the line.

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It's a cautionary tale, one that
I thought made perfect use of the dread

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associated with Lovecraft's monsters, but also
a tale where mystery and horror and action

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were able to intertwine almost effortlessly in
a way that made for near perfect pacing.

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There was a little bit of a
drag after Bruce fell into the Lazarus

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pit and was kind of like dwelling
in his madness trying to figure it all

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out. Yeah, but it was
over quick. Yeah, there were some

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parts that were a little slow,
but for the most part, I was

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glued to the screen, despite the
fact that the animation left quite a bit

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to be desired. I felt,
Yeah, it was kind of like a

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throwback to the previous DC Animated movie
Universe, inspired by Bruce Tim's animation,

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but with a Mike Mignola twist a
little bit. See, I didn't get

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the Mike Magnola art style in this
at all. I wish it was there.

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I wish it was very prevalent it
was there. There were some shots

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where I was like, Oh,
that that's totally Mike Manola's work right there

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that shot. He didn't do the
art for the series, actually didn't love

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the artwork and the comic series.
I wish he did because I love his

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art style. It's so unique and
so different from any other artist out there.

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Yeah, I like his Hellboy for
sure, and it was cool to

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see like that really dark shading in
some shots for this movie. Yeah,

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I follow him on Instagram and I'm
just always in awe of even his sketches.

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They're they're great. I wish the
animation was better. The only other

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drawback to the film, and it's
a big one, is that if you're

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not a fan of Batman or of
Lovecraft, so much of this movie is

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just going to go over your head. Because, as I mentioned earlier,

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so much of this film is homages
to other works. That's true. Yeah,

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you kind of need to know all
the Easter eggs in order to get

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those references. Exactly. Yeah,
there's like a lot of homework for this

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film. But like so much of
this movie was me going like, oh,

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that's going to be mister Freeze.
Oh that's Kerrie Kelly, Oh that's

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the Necromicon, things like that,
exactly, exactly. Now, I'm assuming

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most of the listeners of this podcast
are fans of Batman and his cast of

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characters, though, so let's talk
about those characters in our character breakdown,

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starting with Batman. Now, Batman
and Bruce Wayne were voiced by David Gantoli,

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who last voiced the character and the
direct video standalone animated film Batman's Soul

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of the Dragon which we reviewed,
which we loved, and I think Gane

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totally did an even better job voicing
the character in The Doom that Came to

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Gotham. It was like a mixture
between Kevin Conroy and a Christian Bale and

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Keano Reeves from League of Super Pets. I thought he nailed it, and

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it may be my favorite Batman voice
in this post Conroy world we live in

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now. I still like Jensen Accles
a little bit more from the Long Halloween

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and the New Tomorrow Verse, but
yeah, this guy really nails it as

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well. Now it's often theorized in
the comics that Bruce Wayne is crazy,

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but in this tale, his trauma
goes so far beyond just seeing his parents

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murdered, but also being attacked by
bats slash spirits immediately afterward, who spoke

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to him and showed him the eye
of Io Satha, who inspired the murder

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of his parents. This was one
of the best things that I think the

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film did for the mythos of Batman, because yeah, we all know that

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Batman's crazy. He was driven kind
of mad by witnessing his parents' death.

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But this takes that aspect and then
adds a love crafty and twist where a

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lot of the protagonists in those stories
go mad upon seeing these elder deities.

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It combines the two and it gives
a rationale for Batman's madness and why he

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would pursue becoming this bat creature that
I think works really well, so well,

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so good, Like that I haunted
him his entire life and it forced

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his mind to like block certain memories
while driving him to travel around the world

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and learn and train and gain allies
that he instinctively felt he was going to

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need. It's a better rationalization for
that type of motivation, I think than

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just you know, one revenge.
You know, I don't disagree, because

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honestly, like you know, at
that point, become the punisher, right,

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It's much easier than learning every single
martial art and science not to man.

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Yeah yeah, Now, traveling the
world and tracking bizarre activity. It

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all culminates in the Penguin's failed Antarctic
expedition, and Bruce is driven back to

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Gotham, where his memories begin to
return and he begins a slow descent into

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madness as he uncovers a plot by
an ancient cult to unleash an unspeakable evil

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on the world. The mental blocks
he put up made him believe that everything

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in the world has a scientific explanation, but over the course of the film,

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he learns and is forced to embrace
that some things defy logic, including

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that he can save Gotham by sacrificing
himself to the spirit of the bat That

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was one of the great things I
think this film did, too, was

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that I've always wondered why, for
as smart as Batman is, why characters

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like he and Lex Luthor never delve
into magic, being as smart as they

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are. It's the reasons I think
why some filmmakers like Christopher Nolan and Matt

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Reeves are very hesitant to sort of
open up their world to other DC characters,

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because, yeah, once Batman learns
about a character like Constantine, he's

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going to be like, oh,
yeah, I could use that in my

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crusade against crime. I'm going to
learn about occulticism and stuff like that,

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or just like use other tools or
resources like anthemetal in his gadgetry and stuff

402
00:28:22.119 --> 00:28:26.079
like that. You know, m
it doesn't make sense for him not to,

403
00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:32.920
but here he succumbs to this madness
and really delves into this occultism,

404
00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:36.759
you know, and it was kind
of refreshing to see him like step into

405
00:28:36.759 --> 00:28:41.119
this pentagram sigil that he made and
kind of become the bat. You know.

406
00:28:41.440 --> 00:28:44.000
Yeah, yeah, it was new. It was unique. That symbol

407
00:28:44.039 --> 00:28:48.720
of the bat is fascinating in the
story. Like evil in this story is

408
00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:53.119
often depicted as reptilian as opposed to
mammalian, with bats being the only mammal

409
00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:56.640
capable of flying, but also,
as the film describes, you know,

410
00:28:56.640 --> 00:29:02.599
they're capable of seeing through the darkness. It's a creature of the dark and

411
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:07.759
therefore is unafraid of it and knows
its secrets. It's a great explanation for

412
00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:12.039
why the symbol of the bat works, beyond the notion that criminals are superstitious

413
00:29:12.039 --> 00:29:17.200
and cowardly locked and it would be
afraid of a giant bat. This works

414
00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:19.799
so well, it's so well done. I think I've explained a few times

415
00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:23.079
along the way of this podcast how
I'm not a fan of Batman. You

416
00:29:23.119 --> 00:29:27.599
know, I think he's super lame
and he sucks, but slowly but surely,

417
00:29:27.880 --> 00:29:32.400
when I see films like this,
the doom that came to Gotham,

418
00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:37.240
and you see how something like a
bat can be a much better symbol than

419
00:29:37.759 --> 00:29:41.319
I ever suspected. I really start
to come around and understand why the character

420
00:29:41.319 --> 00:29:48.799
of Batman is so lasting and transmutable
and adaptable and well liked by the masses.

421
00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:52.400
Just taking like a film like this
and like something like Batman Soul of

422
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:56.839
the Dragon, and You're right,
it's amazing how many different genres and ways

423
00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:00.480
Batman works in different stories. It
makes me to see a Spider Man story

424
00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:03.880
take place in a lovecrafting universe.
You know, we get things like Spider

425
00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:07.799
Man War and stuff like that,
but I like to see it go more

426
00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:10.279
all out. And it's cool because
you could actually do that with a character

427
00:30:10.359 --> 00:30:14.359
like Spider Man because of the Spider
Verse, right, Spiders are also you

428
00:30:14.400 --> 00:30:18.720
know, monstrous figures in darkness.
Stop er big of DC. It's already

429
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:22.599
been done. Oh. One quick
thing I want to know on with Bruce

430
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:26.759
Wayne is that in this movie he
seemingly has like no seecret identity at all,

431
00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:32.519
but it kind of works because he's
not Bruce Wayne in Gotham for very

432
00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:34.960
long. Well, it seems like
a lot of characters who are involved in

433
00:30:36.000 --> 00:30:38.839
this situation know that he's Bruce Wayne, but his identity doesn't really matter to

434
00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:44.200
the public at large in regards to
the events that happened here. Possibly Yeah,

435
00:30:44.359 --> 00:30:48.359
A movie gone to Kylie Kane.
She was voiced by Tati Gabriel,

436
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:52.160
who's been in a number of Netflix
series. I don't haven't really seen any

437
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:53.799
of them, but I thought she
did a good job. As I mentioned

438
00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:57.599
earlier, Kylie is a stand in
for Tim Drake in the comics, but

439
00:30:57.640 --> 00:31:02.799
a welcome one. Her hole in
the story is very passive. I was

440
00:31:02.839 --> 00:31:07.440
actually hoping like the film would introduce
her as Robin in some way, but

441
00:31:07.559 --> 00:31:11.839
she acts as an audience surrogate for
a lot of events that happened away from

442
00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:15.000
Bruce, separate from Bruce, such
as the deaths of Dick and Sanjay or

443
00:31:15.079 --> 00:31:21.319
observing Oliver Queen. She's this archetype
of innocence, the foil to all the

444
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:26.599
madness and evil in the story,
and the personification of what Batman was trying

445
00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:30.680
to save. At the end,
she recognizes that Bruce sacrificed himself to save

446
00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:37.000
the world and uses his legacy to
rebuild a brighter and better Gotham City.

447
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:40.200
Yeah. First I thought she was
just Carry Kelly. It wasn't until the

448
00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:44.079
very end when they announced her as
Kylie Kane that I realized that she was

449
00:31:44.119 --> 00:31:45.880
also Cassandra Kane. Yeah. Yeah, I mean it made sense to make

450
00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:52.480
her Cassandra Kane analog since she's Chinese. But I also did really appreciate the

451
00:31:52.559 --> 00:31:56.599
homage to Carry Kelly the Robin from
The Dark Knight returns. That was cool.

452
00:31:56.920 --> 00:32:00.359
Moving on to Oliver Queen. He
was voiced by Christopher or Um.

453
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:05.400
This is a considerate departure from the
Green Arrow character in DC comics proper.

454
00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:09.240
He's less of a Robin Hood type
character here and much more of a crusader

455
00:32:09.400 --> 00:32:15.240
burdened by the guilt of his father's
actions, both in helping awaken Ioxatha and

456
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:20.519
killing Bruce Wayne's parents. Like Bruce, Oliver traveled the world, but as

457
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:23.960
a hunter, preparing to eventually face
the beast he knew was coming, though

458
00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:29.400
ultimately he was not the one chosen
by destiny to do so. I liked

459
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:32.400
that they made Oliver and Bruce childhood
friends. You know, they've often been

460
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:37.720
recognized as being very similar characters,
though they managed to differentiate them in this

461
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:44.480
film considerably by making Oliver a drunken
bootlegger during Prohibition. Though, actually,

462
00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:46.160
now that I think about it,
I guess in that regard he was a

463
00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:50.119
bit of like a Robin Hood outlaw. I like that. That was actually

464
00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:52.240
pretty smart. Yeah, except he
didn't use just arrows here. He used

465
00:32:52.279 --> 00:32:57.200
all sorts of holy weapons. Yeah, that was interesting. Moving gone to

466
00:32:57.319 --> 00:33:00.720
Harvey Dent. He was voiced by
Patrick Fabe. There's a lot of tragic

467
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:06.799
characters in this film, but no
more so than probably Harvey Dent. Harvey

468
00:33:06.839 --> 00:33:09.960
has always been depicted as a tragic
figure in the comics, But in this

469
00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:13.720
story, you know, it's not
like his father was one of the ones

470
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:16.799
that awakened Ioxata in the past.
He has no knowledge of the cult of

471
00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:21.759
Ross or any kind of angry or
evil streak that we saw. He was

472
00:33:21.799 --> 00:33:24.519
an innocent bystander, helpless to what
happened to him. And it was so

473
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:30.359
much more horrifying what happened to him
in this story than any other depiction of

474
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:35.039
the character ever, Like it almost
defies description, how one side of his

475
00:33:35.079 --> 00:33:37.640
body just became a cosmic gateway.
Yeah, it was less of like a

476
00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:42.920
scarring on half his body and more
of like this grotesque mutation given to him,

477
00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:46.039
strangely enough by Poison Ivy, whose
inclusion in this story was just bizarre.

478
00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:50.680
It didn't feel weird to me when
I read it in the comics because

479
00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:54.400
the Lovecraft and monsters that they were
dealing with did have like a reptilian side,

480
00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:59.119
but also a plant side, like
the character that is sort of like

481
00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:02.200
Killer Croc reptile man in the comics. When I first saw him, I

482
00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:07.279
thought it was an analog to swamp
Thing just because of the character design.

483
00:34:07.519 --> 00:34:09.639
Initially, I think it's actually meant
to be a mixture of both. You

484
00:34:09.719 --> 00:34:14.559
might be right, because it's Killer
Croc, but with like his long snout

485
00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:16.519
broken off, so it's just the
skull area around there, which gives him

486
00:34:16.599 --> 00:34:20.599
kind of a swamp thing appearance.
Yeah, and in the comic artwork,

487
00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:22.880
he had almost like plants growing on
his shoulders. At least that's what I

488
00:34:22.880 --> 00:34:27.840
initially thought. But we do learn
later on in the film that you know,

489
00:34:28.000 --> 00:34:31.920
before Mankind, there were reptilian lizard
men on Earth. That's Russell Goul

490
00:34:32.199 --> 00:34:37.400
discovered, So it works on multiple
levels, the whole plants and reptiles thing.

491
00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:39.440
So again, Poison Ivy, I
thought she made sense. She did

492
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:44.519
look cool in her monstrous form going
up against Green Arrow. She looked way

493
00:34:44.559 --> 00:34:46.840
cooler in the movie than she did
in the comics. It looked really really

494
00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:50.719
cool. Yeah, I thought that
was effective. Well, I didn't think

495
00:34:50.760 --> 00:34:54.639
it was effective though. Was how
she transferred the mutation onto Harvey Dent and

496
00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:58.800
like why they picked him and everything. She just kind of like rubbed some

497
00:34:58.840 --> 00:35:01.000
poop on his hand or something like
that. It was really strange, and

498
00:35:01.119 --> 00:35:05.039
it like spread across the left side
of his body. It would have been

499
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:07.320
better if she actually like rubbed the
poop on his face a little bit,

500
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:09.800
like on his cheek or something.
And I call it poop because I don't

501
00:35:09.840 --> 00:35:13.000
know how else to describe it.
It was brown. It was a brown

502
00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:15.559
smudge. But yet you know,
she was like trying to seduce him as

503
00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:17.519
she was walking by. Anyway,
it would have been I think, just

504
00:35:17.559 --> 00:35:22.440
more effective and a little bit more
appropriate considering he is two face. Where

505
00:35:22.519 --> 00:35:25.039
she touched his face, yeah,
just like a like a romantic brush of

506
00:35:25.039 --> 00:35:28.960
the cheek with her hand or something
like that. Yeah, yeah, I

507
00:35:29.000 --> 00:35:31.800
agree. I agree. The only
other characters I want to touch on briefly

508
00:35:32.039 --> 00:35:36.280
because there are a lot of characters
in this film, but there's actually very

509
00:35:36.280 --> 00:35:39.079
few that have substantial screen time.
I want to talk about Talia Algol and

510
00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:43.639
Ross all Goal. There's not much
to say here other than I liked how

511
00:35:43.679 --> 00:35:46.840
these characters were used for this story. Like rossall Goal has always been one

512
00:35:46.840 --> 00:35:51.960
of Batman's more ancient and mysterious villains. So for him and his daughter to

513
00:35:52.079 --> 00:35:57.119
have ties to cults and Gin and
lizard people and cosmic horrors, it was

514
00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:01.599
a great take, and honestly one
that's more interesting to me than him simply

515
00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:07.400
being an eco terrorist in the comics. I wish they would do more supernatural

516
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:09.559
things with him in the comics.
Well, they have in the past.

517
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:13.119
You know, he has ties to
the Lazarous Pits, which have like ties

518
00:36:13.159 --> 00:36:15.960
to the occult and stuff like that, right, I mean beyond that,

519
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:19.639
Like he's not busting out Gin in
the comics. You know that would be

520
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:22.360
cool if he did that. Yeah, it's like why not? But then

521
00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:25.800
I guess Batman would have to enlist
the help of characters like Constantine or Etrigan

522
00:36:25.920 --> 00:36:30.519
more often, Etrigan being used pretty
well in this film. I think,

523
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:32.960
Yeah, he wasn't really so much
of an analog in this movie, as

524
00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:37.599
he was basically lifted straight from DC
comics proper, except for the fact that

525
00:36:37.760 --> 00:36:45.119
he was somehow powerful enough to stop
an outer god as powerful as Iokatha.

526
00:36:45.239 --> 00:36:51.039
Because in the Lovecraft universe, Yaksathat
is like the embodiment of like space time.

527
00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:54.519
So for Etrigan, you know,
this like middling tier demon to be

528
00:36:54.559 --> 00:36:59.840
able to defeat and banish to hell
that giant of an entity, it's a

529
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:02.559
it's a little far fetched. With
magic, it's always vague. You know.

530
00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:07.639
He might have had some kind of
like special spell granted to him as

531
00:37:07.679 --> 00:37:10.760
like the chosen demon to defeat this
entity thing who knows well, Yeah,

532
00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:14.239
it was actually like that in the
comics, So if I remember correctly,

533
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:17.119
that was one thing I didn't think
they did well enough explaining in the movie

534
00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:24.159
was that I think Etrigan was an
offspring of Ioxata and was destined to banish

535
00:37:24.239 --> 00:37:29.000
him to Hell. It kind of
makes you wonder what Bruce Wayne was destined

536
00:37:29.039 --> 00:37:32.159
to do as man Bat. Essentially
he becomes a man Bat in this movie.

537
00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:36.519
And I think even the character of
man Bat has an analog in the

538
00:37:36.519 --> 00:37:38.440
film. He's the Langstrom guy,
right, yes, yeah, the guy

539
00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:43.400
who studied the bats. But really
it seemed like his only function was to

540
00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:45.599
release Etrigan. Well yeah, I
mean there were several mentions of like the

541
00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:52.760
spirit of the bats and Flame being
able to defeat Ioxatha. It sort of

542
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:57.039
felt random, But then again,
you know they did mention how the bat

543
00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:00.960
sees through the darkness, and you
know, Flame pierces the darkness, so

544
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:04.760
maybe that's the rationale. Yeah,
it was really a Batman Etrigan combo.

545
00:38:05.199 --> 00:38:09.079
Yeah, it's like Etrigan needed Batman
to track down everyone so that he could

546
00:38:09.079 --> 00:38:15.480
deliver the final blow. I'll accept
that. Yeah, me too. Moving

547
00:38:15.519 --> 00:38:19.679
on to the story highlights, Bruce
Wayne and his wards Dick Grayson, Sunjay

548
00:38:19.760 --> 00:38:24.159
Todd, and Kylie Kane discover the
reportedly missing and frozen remains of an Antarctic

549
00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:30.079
expedition crew led by Gotham University professor
Oswald Cobblepot. While searching for the still

550
00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:36.599
missing crew members Oswald and a man
named Grendon, Bruce spots Oswald and follows

551
00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:39.400
him into an ice cave, where
he finds Grendon trying to break through the

552
00:38:39.440 --> 00:38:45.360
ice to reach a spawn of Ioxatha
trapped in the ice well. Bruce fence

553
00:38:45.400 --> 00:38:49.880
off Eldritch penguins. Brendon breaks through
the ice and reaches the Great One,

554
00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:55.519
which impregnates Grandon with its seed before
Bruce knocks Grendon out grows the way you

555
00:38:55.559 --> 00:39:00.519
described it right there, that's how
they describe it. Who's they the movie

556
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:05.119
impregnates with his seed? Yes,
I still don't like it. Then not

557
00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:08.679
like through his mouth though, Yeah, he puts a tentacle in his mouth?

558
00:39:08.960 --> 00:39:15.960
Is that any better? No?
No, Bruce blows up the ice

559
00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:21.559
cave to seal it before returning to
a ship with his wards and Grandin who's

560
00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:25.000
locked in the freezer. Well,
going through Oswald's journal, Bruce clean's that

561
00:39:25.079 --> 00:39:30.039
Gotham cities in danger and decides to
return home after twenty years. I kind

562
00:39:30.079 --> 00:39:35.079
of like this Ernest Shackleton vibe that
they gave Bruce in this movie. Yeah,

563
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:38.519
he was very much like an explorer
adventure type character at the start,

564
00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:42.559
right, and then he learned like
he's a man of science and everything,

565
00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:45.599
just finishing his journey on traveling the
world. You know. I thought it

566
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:51.079
was really a great take. I
also loved like the thing vibes that the

567
00:39:51.159 --> 00:39:53.880
film opened up with. Yeah,
and the thing the movie I think you

568
00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:58.320
can consider lovecrafty and horror, Oh, for sure, Yeah, I didn't

569
00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:01.280
think about that until this moment.
Absolutely. Yeah. One of the great

570
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:07.159
horror classics of all time. The
Penguin I thought was very interesting in this

571
00:40:07.199 --> 00:40:10.159
movie as well, just how he
became like mutated and this other thing,

572
00:40:10.320 --> 00:40:14.280
you know, just like destined to
walk the ice forever. I thought we

573
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:15.719
were going to see more of him
later. I thought he was a little

574
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:20.599
bit underutilized here, but I guess
it kind of made sense considering that he

575
00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:24.320
was one of the founders of Gotham
City and therefore was like paying for his

576
00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:29.840
crimes with this everlasting curse. Yeah, it made more sense in this movie

577
00:40:29.880 --> 00:40:31.800
than it did in the comic,
because in the comic he wasn't one of

578
00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:37.079
the four founders of Gotham. Interesting, he was just a university professor that

579
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:40.039
kind of stumbled upon the cults and
the book. Now, upon seeing Gotham

580
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:45.119
again, Bruce remembers the night his
parents were killed by a raving glunatic with

581
00:40:45.159 --> 00:40:49.679
a knife, and how as a
boy he fled afterward to a church belfry,

582
00:40:49.920 --> 00:40:53.840
only to be attacked by bats and
bombarded with strange visions. Sanjay stays

583
00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:58.519
aboard the ship, took guard Grindon
well Bruce and the others returned to Wayne

584
00:40:58.559 --> 00:41:02.679
Manor, where Kylie discovers a dead
body. While investigating, Bruce has a

585
00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:07.480
vision of the body telling him its
name is Kirk Langstrom, who, of

586
00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:10.039
course in the comics, is the
scientist that becomes Man Bat, one of

587
00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:14.199
Batman's villains. Yeah. I didn't
know that at the time, and it

588
00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:16.320
didn't dawn on me until later on
in the film when it turned out that

589
00:41:16.320 --> 00:41:19.880
he and his father were like such
experts on bats, I was like,

590
00:41:19.880 --> 00:41:22.480
well, what's the analog here?
Oh, it's got to be Manbat.

591
00:41:22.880 --> 00:41:25.159
Yeah. Yeah, I thought it
was interesting that they made Kirk Langstrom like

592
00:41:25.239 --> 00:41:30.199
one of the sons of the four
founders of Gotham, and how like he

593
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:34.840
thought he was the chosen one to
take up the spirit of the Bat,

594
00:41:35.039 --> 00:41:38.400
but ultimately he was at the one
destined. That evening, Bruce's visited by

595
00:41:38.519 --> 00:41:43.480
Jason Blood, who warns Bruce,
among other things, that he must die

596
00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:47.360
to save Gotham and that Gotham must
burn in order to be saved. When

597
00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:52.199
Bruce confronts Jason Blood, he transforms
into Etric and the Demon and escapes the

598
00:41:52.239 --> 00:41:58.440
manner. Afterward, Bruce, Dick, and Kylie visit Bruce's childhood friend,

599
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:02.800
the now alcoholic and secretive Oliver Queen, where they are surprised by Bruce's other

600
00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:07.320
childhood friend, Harvey Dent, who
is days away from being collected mayor of

601
00:42:07.400 --> 00:42:13.639
Gotham City. Bruce asks Harvey about
Kirk Langstrom and learns he was a troubled

602
00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:17.599
biologist who studied bats at Gotham University. This was one of the slow moments

603
00:42:17.599 --> 00:42:21.360
in the film, I felt,
but it was also just the start of

604
00:42:21.360 --> 00:42:24.199
Bruce delving into the mystery of everything
in Gotham. Yeah, it was a

605
00:42:24.199 --> 00:42:27.760
lot of set up, but you
know, eventually, fortunately it all paid

606
00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:30.559
off, especially the Oliver Queen stuff. Though I was like, what are

607
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:35.320
they doing with this character? Like
he's just being a drunk dummy this whole

608
00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:38.199
movie, it seems like, Yeah, and then slowly that all got revealed

609
00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:42.360
that he was a bootlegger and that
he was, you know, this holy

610
00:42:42.400 --> 00:42:45.400
warrior of sorts as well. Yeah. Now, while staying at Oliver's manner,

611
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:50.920
Bruce escapes for the night under the
guise of Batman and stops some corrupt

612
00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:57.079
police officers from looting Kirk's apartment,
where Batman finds hidden evidence of occulticism and

613
00:42:57.360 --> 00:43:01.440
Kirk's final statement and Kirk's right,
Batman learns of the cult of Ghul that

614
00:43:01.599 --> 00:43:06.639
is looking for a book, the
Lost Testament of Ghoul, in order to

615
00:43:06.679 --> 00:43:12.079
summon an ancient cosmic horror, the
ultimate outer god known as Iosatha. I

616
00:43:12.119 --> 00:43:16.039
liked the cool random devices that Batman
would use, like the eyepiece thing that

617
00:43:16.119 --> 00:43:22.239
he wore to discover Langstrom's journal.
Yeah, it felt very Hellboy to me,

618
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:25.199
Like these just random like gadgets.
Although you know this one wasn't based

619
00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:29.880
in the occult, but I could
totally see the Hellboy influence. But where

620
00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:34.360
Hellboy stories largely take place in the
presence, the gadgets of this Victorian era

621
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:37.920
are more apt for Batman. Yeah, yeah, totally. Now deducing that

622
00:43:37.960 --> 00:43:42.280
Oswald had the book, Batman makes
his way to Gotham University, where he

623
00:43:42.320 --> 00:43:46.320
tricks the university librarian, Professor Manford, and to revealing the book's location,

624
00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:52.760
just as Talia al Gool emerges and
steals the book after using a salamander to

625
00:43:52.800 --> 00:43:59.559
transform Manford into a fiery gin named
Dieta. Batman battles Dieta while Talia escapes

626
00:43:59.639 --> 00:44:04.639
and Etrigin comes to Batman's aid to
battle the Gin. When Batman catches Talia,

627
00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:07.639
he is attacked, this time by
a large lizard man who I'm just

628
00:44:07.639 --> 00:44:13.280
gonna call Killer Kroc. Overwhelmed,
Batman is forced to flee atop a nearby

629
00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:16.320
train. Now, I did think
it was kind of inconsistent that Etrigan would

630
00:44:16.320 --> 00:44:22.000
lose to a Gin, but not
to an outer god. And I just

631
00:44:22.039 --> 00:44:25.079
have to wonder if Etrigan got captured
on purpose. Oh, I didn't think

632
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:30.960
about that inconsistency, but I think
Irrationelle would make sense considering what happens later

633
00:44:30.960 --> 00:44:34.719
in the story. In the comic, Batman doesn't escape. He gets captured

634
00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:37.599
and taken to the sewers right away. But I really liked in this film

635
00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:42.880
how they gave him an opportunity to
sort of like track down where exactly Talia

636
00:44:42.960 --> 00:44:46.440
and Roussel Gool would be underground in
Gotham, which happens in the next scene.

637
00:44:46.719 --> 00:44:52.079
When Gotham City Police find Bruce Wayne's
ship frozen in Gotham Harbor, Dick

638
00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:57.119
Grayson investigates, only to find Sanjay
frozen to death before being attacked by Killer

639
00:44:57.199 --> 00:45:00.000
Kroc. Can I just say that
I'm really glad that Jason didn't die at

640
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:04.280
the hands of the Joker in this
story. I'm so glad that the Joker

641
00:45:04.280 --> 00:45:07.159
didn't show up at all within this
Batman's story really refreshing. I don't know,

642
00:45:07.199 --> 00:45:10.280
I think you could have easily made
him like a crazed cult member or

643
00:45:10.320 --> 00:45:14.360
something like that. But yeah,
I mean, it was no surprise when

644
00:45:14.360 --> 00:45:17.239
I read the comic that Jason Todd
died. It was a huge surprise that

645
00:45:17.320 --> 00:45:22.159
Dick Grayson died. Yeah, that
was actually crazy. I thought eventually Dick

646
00:45:22.159 --> 00:45:24.639
Grayson was going to come back or
something, but the stakes were very real

647
00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:28.760
in the story. Yeah, I
was disappointed when I saw that happen,

648
00:45:28.840 --> 00:45:31.639
but I was like, you know, it's else World's you know, right,

649
00:45:31.719 --> 00:45:35.400
Yeah, it's deaf stating, but
it's not main continuity, so you

650
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:37.079
could take a brother of fresh air. Now, by the time the police,

651
00:45:37.119 --> 00:45:40.719
Oliver and Kylie reached the ship,
it's too late. Dick is also

652
00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:45.719
dead, and Grendon and Kroc are
missing. Meanwhile, Talia uses the Testament

653
00:45:45.719 --> 00:45:52.119
of Gul and sacrifices DIETYA in order
to resurrect and reform her father Rossall Gul's

654
00:45:52.159 --> 00:45:55.719
ashes back at Wayne Manor, Bruce
researches the Cult of gool and learns of

655
00:45:55.760 --> 00:46:00.599
an ancient underground mausoleum beneath got them, where Talia may have taken the Testament.

656
00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:05.960
As Russo Cool and Talia perform a
ritual to unleash a plague of reptiles

657
00:46:05.960 --> 00:46:09.440
on Gotham City, Batman finds them
but is attacked by Killer Kroc, whom

658
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:15.440
Batman kills with a chlorine grenade before
being swarmed by reptiles, causing a cave

659
00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:20.480
in that drops Batman into a Lazarus
pit, where he remains for days as

660
00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:25.039
the reptiles terrorize Gotham. Batman finally
emerges from the pit to the surface just

661
00:46:25.079 --> 00:46:30.719
as Harvey Dent wins his mayoral campaign
of a pledge to rid Gotham of the

662
00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:34.519
reptiles. How come he didn't drown
in the Lazarus pit? Does that not

663
00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:37.360
happen? Do you not drown in
lazarus pits? That's a great question.

664
00:46:37.440 --> 00:46:40.719
Again, this isn't an issue that's
raised in the comics. Spatman just kind

665
00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:46.039
of escapes and stays in the sewer
for days as these lizards kind of hound

666
00:46:46.239 --> 00:46:51.480
Gotham City. I think you can
make the case that the Lazarus pit revives

667
00:46:51.519 --> 00:46:54.119
you so it's impossible to drowned in
it, and I think it's better for

668
00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:59.039
him to fall into the Lazarus pit
than just simply wander the sewers for days.

669
00:46:59.239 --> 00:47:02.280
Personally makes sense. Deducing that Harvey
Dent will serve as the gateway for

670
00:47:02.320 --> 00:47:08.000
Ioxatha Ross kills grindin, allowing the
seed within him to grow into the key

671
00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:14.599
that will unlock that gateway. Seemingly
a version of the villain Poison Ivy as

672
00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:19.239
Batman driven to near madness by the
Lazarus Pit and the death of his wards

673
00:47:19.239 --> 00:47:23.360
seemingly converses with the corpse of Kirk
Langstrom in the Batcave, Poison Ivy touches

674
00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:29.280
the left hand of the newly elected
Mayor Dent, infecting him with a rash.

675
00:47:29.360 --> 00:47:34.599
I didn't like that mister Freese's sole
purpose in this movie was basically to

676
00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:37.239
give birth to Poison Ivy. At
that point, it felt like they were

677
00:47:37.280 --> 00:47:43.159
just introducing story elements into the plot
for the sake of these easter eggs.

678
00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:46.039
You could make that argument. I
thought it was clever had they sort of

679
00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:50.800
used his melted form to water that
seed, his role in the story was

680
00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:52.480
kind of over and done with anyway. I don't know. I think it

681
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:57.119
worked, but like we never got
to see mister Freeze fight Batman. I

682
00:47:57.119 --> 00:48:01.320
mean Batman only lasted like a week
in Gotham before he died. True,

683
00:48:01.599 --> 00:48:07.800
so while he still exists as you
know, the Batman, the man aw

684
00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:10.079
it is cool, but I mean
there's other villains that'll be out there,

685
00:48:10.199 --> 00:48:14.199
and who knows, maybe there's another
version of mister Freeze. This was Grendon,

686
00:48:14.480 --> 00:48:19.000
not Victor Freeze, so sure.
Now, when Kylie spies on Oliver

687
00:48:19.119 --> 00:48:22.320
Queen, she finds him garbed in
Knight's armor and surrounded by sacred weaponry.

688
00:48:22.559 --> 00:48:28.679
Believing himself the one destined to prevent
the emergence of Ayakatha in order to make

689
00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:31.679
up for the sands of his father, including the murder of Bruce's parents.

690
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:37.280
Kylie leaves and shares her concern for
Oliver, with Batman seemingly knocking him out

691
00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:42.920
of his trance. Oliver is attacked
by poison ivy and the two managed to

692
00:48:43.000 --> 00:48:46.440
kill each other, though Batman arrives
in time for Oliver to apologize and get

693
00:48:46.519 --> 00:48:52.079
him with his sacred arrows and the
blade that killed his parents. Meanwhile,

694
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:57.960
Harvey Dent his rash transformed into an
eldretch growth is visited by Talia. At

695
00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:01.119
the funeral for Dick and Sunjay,
Commissioner Gordon delivers a message to Bruce asking

696
00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:06.840
him to meet his daughter Barbara,
a disabled psychic known as an oracle being

697
00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:12.199
treated at Arkham Asylum. That night, Batman says goodbye to Alfred and Kylie

698
00:49:12.519 --> 00:49:16.559
before taking the Batmobile to Arkham,
where Barbara helps him commune with his deceased

699
00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:22.320
father, Thomas Wayne. Thomas reveals
that when he died, he was actually

700
00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:25.440
centuries old, having been one of
the founders of Gotham back when it was

701
00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:31.000
a settlement, having discovered the Reptilian
mausoleum underground as well as the Testament of

702
00:49:31.039 --> 00:49:37.519
Ghoul. Thomas Oswald and the fathers
of Oliver Queen and Kirk Langstrum performed an

703
00:49:37.519 --> 00:49:43.880
occult ritual that not only garnered them
immortality and success, but awoke Ixatha.

704
00:49:44.119 --> 00:49:49.519
Thomas prophesies that only the power of
the bat a creature capable of navigating the

705
00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:52.679
darkness, can stop the outer God. What did you think of them turning

706
00:49:52.800 --> 00:49:55.960
Thomas Wayne into kind of a bad
guy. Well, I don't know if

707
00:49:55.960 --> 00:49:59.800
he was a bad guy, but
I think his reputation as like an u

708
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:02.880
standing citizen was definitely tarnished, and
you know, I think it works for

709
00:50:02.920 --> 00:50:07.920
the standalone story. You kind of
see them exploring that in other stories as

710
00:50:07.920 --> 00:50:10.639
well, though, like Flashpoint.
Oh yeah, that's true. I didn't

711
00:50:10.679 --> 00:50:15.199
mind it here, honestly. I
actually really liked the fact that he got

712
00:50:15.199 --> 00:50:20.440
to commune with his father and not
Professor Munford performing an occult ritual that summons

713
00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:23.960
back spirits. Batman agrees to become
one of them if they lead him to

714
00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:30.079
iok Satha. Batman emerges at the
Lazarus Pits, where he finds Harvey Dent

715
00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:34.440
waiting for him, the left side
of his body now merged with a wall

716
00:50:34.800 --> 00:50:39.119
a gateway open amongst the tentacles emanating
from him. Batman enters the gateway and

717
00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:44.360
uses his sacred arrows to defeat the
ghosts of Dick, Sanjay, and Oliver,

718
00:50:44.840 --> 00:50:47.320
as well as Talia as they all
try to prevent him from reaching grass

719
00:50:47.360 --> 00:50:52.559
al Ghul, who is performing the
final ritual to sumon Iokatha. Batman and

720
00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:59.480
Ross fight, during which time Ross
transforms into an eldritch monster and kills Batman,

721
00:51:00.039 --> 00:51:05.000
only for Batman to be resurrected in
a powerful man bat form. Now,

722
00:51:05.199 --> 00:51:08.639
was this the coolest use of the
phrase I am Batman ever? Or

723
00:51:08.880 --> 00:51:14.679
is it the absolute coolest? It
is definitely absolutely one of the coolest,

724
00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:17.840
for sure. Yeah, that was
so badass. Just like in his like

725
00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:22.639
demon bat voice, He's like,
I am Batman. It was so badass.

726
00:51:23.119 --> 00:51:27.800
I've always liked Vampire Batman for some
reason. I don't know why.

727
00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:30.280
It's just like adds to him in
like a really cool way. And I

728
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:34.960
just I just loved that this happened
in the movie. That was a standout

729
00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:38.599
moment. I think it might even
make maybe your list of nominations for the

730
00:51:38.679 --> 00:51:43.679
Brother's Award this year for best Moment. Yeah, I would be surprised if

731
00:51:43.719 --> 00:51:46.599
it didn't make it onto that list. Now, Batman kills Ross too late,

732
00:51:46.960 --> 00:51:52.039
and as Ioxata enters our reality,
Batman unleashes Etrigain from the bottle that

733
00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:57.719
Dita imprisoned him in. After their
battle, Etrigain burns the outer God and

734
00:51:57.840 --> 00:52:01.159
banishes him to Hell, and in
it explosion of hell fire that reaches the

735
00:52:01.159 --> 00:52:06.280
surface and also burns across Gotham City. Now, in the comic books,

736
00:52:06.760 --> 00:52:10.400
Ioxot that didn't come from outer space. He actually came up from the depths

737
00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:14.800
of this cave that they were in, which I thought that would make more

738
00:52:14.800 --> 00:52:16.440
sense. Yeah, it made more
sense for sure, and I kind of

739
00:52:16.480 --> 00:52:19.920
wish they would have done that in
this movie. I don't know why they

740
00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:23.079
changed it. That's probably like the
one element that didn't make this adaptation that

741
00:52:23.119 --> 00:52:28.039
should have. Now months later,
as Gotham was being rebuilt by the Wayne

742
00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:32.559
Foundation, Kylie and other Gotham citizens
honor Bruce Wayne, who was described as

743
00:52:32.559 --> 00:52:37.719
a savior of Gotham even in death, as we see him as a giant

744
00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:42.960
bat hiding the Church Belfry. The
coolest ending to any Batman movie almost,

745
00:52:43.039 --> 00:52:46.440
I think, ever so badass,
like he's still this watchful guardian over a

746
00:52:46.480 --> 00:52:52.400
Gotham city even though he's like doomed
to this bat form for eternity. It's

747
00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:55.719
definitely an alternate take on Batman,
but you know, still faithful, I

748
00:52:55.760 --> 00:53:00.039
think, to the spirit of this
creature protecting Gotham City. Yeah, very

749
00:53:00.039 --> 00:53:04.000
well done for an else world story. I loved it. I just loved

750
00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:07.440
this movie was so good. It's
a dark and will paced lovecrafty and tragedy

751
00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:13.639
showcasing pulp horror twists on familiar characters, that you know, will thrill fans

752
00:53:13.719 --> 00:53:17.280
of the Batman mythos. It definitely
thrilled me. I'm giving this movie four

753
00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:23.239
and a half out of five stars
a fresh rating on Rotten Tomatoes. I

754
00:53:23.280 --> 00:53:25.599
would agree with that score. I
think I told you as soon as I

755
00:53:25.639 --> 00:53:29.360
was done watching it, it's not
going to get any less than four stars,

756
00:53:29.880 --> 00:53:31.599
and I could definitely see your argument
for four and a half. I

757
00:53:31.639 --> 00:53:36.719
think it not only gave us this
exciting new look on the take of what

758
00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:39.199
Batman could be in this alternate universe, which is always a lot of fun,

759
00:53:39.239 --> 00:53:43.880
you know, with all these characters, but it's also just a fantastic

760
00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:47.039
glimpse into the world of lovecrafty and
horror for sure. Basically as well as

761
00:53:47.039 --> 00:53:52.119
it could be done, I think
when incorporating these comic book superhero stories right

762
00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:55.480
right, I wish they would do
more things like this. I love exploring

763
00:53:55.519 --> 00:54:00.480
different genres and things like that.
There's just so much too love Again.

764
00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:04.519
If you're not a fan of Batman
or Lovecraft, this film may not work

765
00:54:04.519 --> 00:54:06.960
for you. You're probably like four
and a half stars, what are you

766
00:54:07.039 --> 00:54:09.159
talking about? But for me,
I just got so much joy watching this

767
00:54:09.199 --> 00:54:15.039
movie understanding many of the references despite
it being a tragedy. Yeah, I'm

768
00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:17.159
so glad you liked the movie.
I was nervous you weren't gonna like it,

769
00:54:17.239 --> 00:54:20.400
but when you called me up after
you saw it, I was like,

770
00:54:20.480 --> 00:54:22.920
hell yeah, it's amazing. Hell
yeah. I mean it's dark,

771
00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:28.000
it's different, but it's absolutely worth
your time if you have any interest in

772
00:54:28.079 --> 00:54:30.480
this pulp horror genre. Yeah,
yes, but that does it for this

773
00:54:30.559 --> 00:54:34.599
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774
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podcasts, Spotify, pot Chaser,
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784
00:55:13.599 --> 00:55:16.920
the final episode before our big team
dual event which is coming out next week,

785
00:55:17.239 --> 00:55:21.800
where we're gonna pit the Flash Rogues
against the Brotherhood of Mutants who are

786
00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:23.239
the X Men, bad guys.
It's gonna be a lot of fun.

787
00:55:23.280 --> 00:55:27.639
I have no idea who's gonna win, but it's I think it's gonna be

788
00:55:27.639 --> 00:55:30.440
pretty damamic. We'll get into the
big action next week. But that does

789
00:55:30.480 --> 00:55:34.119
it for this episode. Who want
to give a big thanks to our executive

790
00:55:34.119 --> 00:55:38.800
producers Ken Johnson, John Stoski,
Zachary Hepburn, Dustin Belcolm Migi Methinian,

791
00:55:38.960 --> 00:55:45.280
Brandon Estragard, Nathaniel Wagner, Levi
Yayton, Nick Abanto, Austin Wislowski,

792
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AJ Dunkerley, Scott Camacho, Gil
Camacho and Adam Spees for helping make this

793
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podcast possible. And we'll talk to
you guys next week, Up, Up,

794
00:55:53.840 --> 00:55:57.920
and away, True Believers, Would
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