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This is a dyna Mic network podcast.
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Hi, welcome to the Dynamic Dual podcast, a Rotten Tomatoes
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approved to show their reviews superhero films and series through
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the lens of the DC and Marble fandoms. I'm Jonathan
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and I'm his twin brother Joseph, and this episode coming
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a little late is going to be a review of
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the Amazon Prime television series Spider Noar. Yeah, well, our
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episode's never too early or too late. They come precisely
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when they mean to. Yeah, like kandelf Right, No, I
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don't think so. Spider Noar is sort of a spinoff
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of the Spider Verse animated films as the same producers,
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but of course this is live action starring Nicholas Cage,
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who cages it up big time. I'd say the show
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is about as fun as you would want it to
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be exactly. We'll get more to our thoughts later on
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in the episode when we give our review. Before that,
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our AI co host AJ nine K there's a quick
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message for our listeners, so listen up.
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Why hello there? Be sure to tune into the other
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where host John and Dean simulate battles between popular video
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game characters. Over on the Max Destruction podcast, hosts Scotti
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and Gilly pitch your favorite action heroes from film and
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television against each other, and on the Senjo World podcast,
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Pit Pip Cheerio, Thanks aj nine K. In our last episode,
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we did a review of the film Supergirl, during which
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we discussed a lot of the characters in that film
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that appeared in the comic books, and then we asked you, guys,
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who you thought would make a good man for some
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of those characters. The best response we got, once again
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was from Devin on Discord and he suggested Cyborg Superman,
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who is probably the most prominent Superman villain that we
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never got around to doing good duel with, and we're
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going to pit him against the Technark, specifically Magas, which
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is a generic term for a leader of the Technark,
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which is basically an offshoot of the alien race known
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as the Phalanx, which is a techno parasitic artificial intelligence.
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So the Phalanx created the technark as like their soldiers.
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The term for leader of one of the technark nodes
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is called megas. I'm going with the particular Megas that
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was the father of Warlock. Oh my gosh, the channel
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on board, who is one of the members of the
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New Mutants. It's pretty fucking complicated, but all you need
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to know is that this particular technark is one of
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the more prominent within the Marvel universe. Yeah, I remember
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you mentioning the Failanx during our Legion of Superheroes Versus
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New Mutants episode. Yeah, because then that duel was Cipher,
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who had eventually merged with Warlock, who was Yeah. Anyway, Basically,
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Warlock's father pursued him to Earth for fleeing their species
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ritual death duel and became an enemy of the New Mutants.
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He has the ability to shape shift his techno organic body.
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He can alter his size, he can regenerate, and he
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could also spread the techno organic virus to other people,
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drain their energy, and fly fast enough to fly through hyperspace,
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particularly when he transforms his body into a spaceship. That's cool.
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I guess not as cool as Cyborg Superman, though, who
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was once astronaut Hank Henshaw, and he was bombarded by
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cosmic radiation during a doomed space mission with his wife.
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His body died, but his mind survived digitally. After Superman's death,
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he used Kryptonian tech to become Cyborg Superman, technopathic, technomorphic,
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and with all of Superman's Kryptonian powers. The failings are
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used to fighting not characters like Superman well and is
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most powerful. I saw Magas literally rip a star in
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half and then hurl it. So, uh, what you fucked? Yeah,
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you're fucked. But let's see how fucked you are by
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finding out who wins? Agn I k the results? Please
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all right? After running one thousand simulated battles between the
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two characters, the winner between Cyborg Superman and Magas the
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Technark is technarc shut up, all right, you're right. It
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was Cyborg Superman. You know why because he has fucking
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Superman in his name and he needs a new fucking name.
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That's stupid.
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Uh.
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He won out of one thousand matches, five hundred and
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thirty six battles, whereas the Technark only won four hundred
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and sixty four. It was pretty close magas the Technark
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had an advantage in evasiveness and damage at his full potential,
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But Cyborg Superman has n't be underability and fighting skill
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and range because he can also stretch just like Technark.
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He can, but he also has like heat vision, and
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so he's a really powerful character. Like stats wise, he
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would probably even be Superman. He sounds super awesome, awesome.
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I hate him for winning, and I'm sick of DC
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winning the show. Why do we even do the duels anymore?
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Because literally just every character in DC is basically Superman. Yeah,
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we are pretty cool like that. Moving on to the
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next segment, We're gonna break down the comic book histories
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of the characters that appear in Spider Nore season one
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in a segment we call Who's who? All right, So
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the Spider Man Nor universe is called Universe nine oh
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two one four, whereas you know the mainstream Marvel universes
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Earth six one six, not all of the characters that
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appeared in the show were actually in the Spider Man
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Nor comics. They had pulled some of the characters from
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Earth six one six and adapted them into this Nor universe.
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But of course. Peter Parker Spider Man, is part of
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the universe. He was raised by Aunt May and Uncle
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Ben during the Great Depression. After Ben was murdered by
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the goblins men for organizing glabor strikes, Peter became determined
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to fight corruption. While investigating a shipment of stolen antiques,
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he was bitten by a spider released from a mystical
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spider idol, and he gained spider like abilities. Using a
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costume based on his uncle Bann's World War One airman uniform,
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Peter became Spider Man, battling mobsters, Nazis, and other criminals
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while working as an investigative reporter. Wow, that is way
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different from the show. Yeah, absolutely, The show is largely
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a original interpretation of the character. Now powers wise. Spider
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Man Noar possesses superhuman strength, speed, agility, stamina, and the
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ability to cling to walls. His spider sense warns them
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of danger ant He can fire organic black webbing from
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his wrists. He's a skilled hand to hand combatant, investigator, photographer, scientist,
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and marksman. He carries firearms and wears light body armor.
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Appearing in Spider Nor Season one is silvermin although he's
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not in the Spider Nor comic books, so I'll give
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you his mainstream Marvel Universe backstory. Silvio Manfredi immigrated from
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Italy to New York as a child and joined the
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Maggia crime family while still a teenager. Ruthless and ambitious,
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he rose through murder and strategy to become the crime
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lord Silvermain, Aging and desperate to avoid death, used the
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mystical tablet of Life and Time to restore his youth,
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but the process reversed uncontrollably until he vanished. When the
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effect wore off and he re emerged, his brain and
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remaining organs were transferred into a cybernetic body, allowing him
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to continue leading the Maggia. But of course, in Spider
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Noor season one, he is not a cyborg. Yeah, and
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he's Irish instead of Italian. Right. Black Cat was part
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of the Spider Noor comics. Her real name is Felicia Hardy,
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and she owned the Black Cat Nightclub, serving as an
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informant to the Daily Bugle, helping the newspaper gather evidence
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on New York's corruption. After witnessing what she believed was
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ja Jonah Jamison murdering reporter Ben Urick, she confronted and
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killed the supposed culprit, later revealed to be the Chameleon
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in disguise. Felicia was captured by the Goblin, but she
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escaped with Spider Man's help and later sheltered Peter Parker
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while he recovered from his injuries, prompting her lover to
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slash her face in retaliation. Permanently scarred, Felicia adopted a
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white mask and became a vigilante, later helping Spider Man
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stop the Shocker from selling weapons to the Nazis. Also
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from the nore comics is Sandman. Flint Marco was an
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enforcer who earned the name Sandman not from his ability
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to control sand but because of his proficiency and brutality
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in killing victims with his bare hands, basically putting them
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to sleep. He helped transport African American captives to Ellis Island,
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where Doctor Octavius subjected them to horrific experiments. When Spider
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Man investigated the operation, Flint Marco withstood the Hero's attacks
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and beat him nearly unconscious before the FBI intervened. Flint
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Marco survived an initial gunshot and was only killed after
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the FBI agents repeatedly fired on him. His superpower basically
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is that he was an extremely tough mob enforcer. Hitting
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him was comparable to hitting granite. Also from the Nora
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comic books was Tombstone. Lonnie Lincoln was born and raised
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in Harlem, New York, where he stood out as the
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neighborhood's only albino. His father rejected him because of his appearance.
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His mother was the only one who cared for him. Eventually,
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Lonnie turned to crime and adopted the name Tombstone. The
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Nora comics, he suffers from scleroderma, which is a condition
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that causes his skin to harden and tighten over time,
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and in his case, the disease gradually encased his body
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in this outer layer that gave him resistance to physical
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harm and finally appearing in Spider Nor Season one was Megawatt.
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I actually thought it was Electro, but it turned out
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to be Megawatt. He's not in the Nora comic books,
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but he was in the six one six universe, where
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his real name was Derek Leyden. He was an Australian
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convict who later became an actor before turning to super villainy.
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A scientist named Jonas Harrow granted the electrical powers, and
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he adopted the name Megawat, battling Spider Man to a draw,
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but was defeated when he exhausted his stored energy. He
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later was able to parlay that notoriety into becoming an
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international film star. His powers are that he can absorb, store,
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and discharge large amounts of electricity, basically just like Electro.
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I totally thought he was a Noir version of Electro.
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Why does Spider Man need two electric villains? I don't know.
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Megawatt was used in like a one off story. I'm
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not sure why they chose to adapt him instead of
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Electro into the Spider Noir series weird, Probably because they
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wanted to go with the actor route, and in the
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comic books Megawat was an actor. Gotcha interesting set of
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characters from the comics. But let's go ahead and move
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now into our review of the Amazon Prime television series
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Spider Noir Season one. All Right, Spider nor Season one
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came out in May six on Amazon Prime and was
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show run by Orrin Uziel Think I'm pronouncing that right
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and Steve Lightfoot. It also starred Nicholas Cage and Brandan Gleeson.
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The show was set in an alternate nineteen thirties New
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York City within Sony's Spider Man universe. The show follows
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private investigator Ben Riley, formerly a crime fighter known as
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the Spider. Several cases entwine him in the dealings of Silvermin,
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the city's notorious mob boss, and the emergence of new
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superpowered beings with ties to Ben's past. When the Spider
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Nor project was first announced, it seemed like a no brainer,
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especially when you have a star attached like Nicholas Cage, who,
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of course voiced the role of Spider Man more in
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the twenty eighteen animated film Spider Man into the Spider Verse.
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He was like such a standout character in that film.
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They all were, really, and you could easily make a
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series based on Spider Ham and Penny Parker as like
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a children's cartoon and as an anime, respectively. But Film
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Nore is so unique and underutilized in this day and age,
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and so fascinating in its vision and tone that I
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remember thinking, like, Yes, make a Spider Man noir project first.
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Lean into that, because I think it's exactly what superhero
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fans need right now, especially to inject some interest in
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the superhero genre. Which at this point is largely perceived
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as wrote and uninspired. Now, the Spider Verse films are good.
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I would not say that Spiderman Noir was my favorite
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character out of them, so I wasn't really looking forward
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to this, even though I really like Detective Noir. But
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I enjoyed the show so much more than I thought
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I would. If I could describe it in one word,
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I think I would use charming for sure. Yeah, it
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has kind of like an old school charm to it. Absolutely.
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I'm glad that you were surprised by how good it
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was in quality. I think I was too, actually, especially
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coming off of something like Supergirl, which felt so familiar
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to the point where it's like why even watch it?
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This was really unique and how much it took me
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back to like old black and white films and even
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like the Dick Tracy movie in particular. Yeah, I think
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that's a good comparison. Film Nore itself is not necessarily
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new to Marvel and DC. It's not like a genre
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so much as it is like a style. A lot
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of Batman projects are film nor I would say, right,
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like especially The Batman with Robert Pattinson, Batman, The Long
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Halloween was definitely film noir, so was like Batman Caped Crusader,
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the animated series. There have also been projects like Werewolf
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by Night. Logan was released digitally with a black and
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white version called Logan Noar, And there was like a
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film nore segment of Justice League War World that came
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out with Superman that was pretty good. Yeah, so I
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wouldn't say that like film nore is new to the
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superhero genre, but I don't think Marvel or DC project
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has ever leaned into it as much as the Spider
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Nors series. No, for sure, It's definitely the noorriest of
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all the noir. You know. I had the cures hero
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contrast lighting, the Dutch angles, the long shadows. It was
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a hard boiled detective story. It had the fe fatale,
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you know, all those tropes we're far enough now from,
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like sin City and the spirit for that style to