Big Barda vs Ronan the Accuser

0:22 Hi, Welcome to the Dynamic Dual Podcast, a weekly show where we review superhero films and debate the superiority between marvel in DC by comparing their characters and stat based battle simulations. I'm Johnny DC and I'm his twin brother, Marvelous Joe, and in this episode, we are pitting the apocalyptic new god Big Barta against the Cree judge, jury and executioner Ronan the Accuser, who was the main villain in the first Guardians of the Galaxy film, making this a tie in to our review next episode of Guardians of the Galaxy Volume three. Yeah. I love Ronan the Accuser. I can't wait to find out who's going to win in a fight between him and Big Barta. This is a great, like cosmic level character match. I think it's going to be a whole lot of fun, especially because you know, Big Barta is way overdue for a dual matchup on this show. Helly, Yeah, she is.

1:14 Holy cow, she's like a major DC player that I'm surprised we haven't gotten a round too yet. Really happy that we're finally getting ground to her now though. But of course we'll break down the character's backstories and then speculate on how a battle between these two characters will play out, before running simulations to find out who would really win. Later on in this episode, before that, we're going to break down the comic book movie news to come out from the past week, which of course we've got the flash official trailer too from CinemaCon, as well as the news that Craven the Hunter is going to be our rated. As always, we list our segment times in our episode description, so feel free to check out the show notes if you want to skip ahead to a particular topic. Those of you who have listening to our recent podcast episodes will know that our Dual simulator has become so advanced that it's gained sentience and as named itself, the artificial life form for running extensive doors just a rather very intelligent simulator nine thousand or Alfred Jarvis nine thousand. Here's a quick message for our listeners, so let's hear it. Why hello there.

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3:49 fans. Our version, the Dynamic DUALNO Prize is a digital award we post on Instagram and in our email newsletter for the person that we feel gave the best answer to our question of the week. Last week, we asked if Adam Driver is cast as mister Fantastic, who would you cast as Doctor Doom? And in reverse, if Driver is Doom, who should be read? Of course, this is coming off the rumor that Adam Driver is in final talks to be cast in the Fantastic four movie. Yeah, we got quite a number of answers. We're going to break down the honorable mentions before revealing this week's no Prize winner. Our first honorable mention goes to Zach Wilder, who said, Hey, guys, Zach Wilder here honestly prefer Driver as Doom.

4:30 I would love to see John Kruzizynski come back, but sounds unlikely. So the other option I was thinking of was Eddie Redmain, the lead from the Fantastic Beast movie. Honestly, it might be a wild card, but he sounds interesting to play that role as mister Fantastic. In my opinion, I would love it if John Kruzinski came back as mister Fantastic and it was just the main Mister Fantast for the MCU, because I think his wife Emily Blunt would also make a fantastic sue Storm. But if I couldn't keep Krazinski as read, Eddie Redmain is not a terrible choice. Like he played Stephen Hawking, the biggest nerd of all time, and what is Read Richards if not a big nerd. I think Stephen Hawking is a little bit more than a big nerd. But you're right in that, you know, he kind of looks the part. He can portray himself as hyper intelligent, and yeah, I think he's a quality enough actor. And also, you know, the Fantastic Beast movies have really gone downhill, so I think he's probably looking for work anyway. I think he'd be a great read. I wonder if they would make people get confused between Fantastic Four and Fantastic Beasts. They'd be like, what what? What is this a sequel? Where's Dumbledore? Well?

5:48 You could cast Jude Law as Doctor Doom. Well, although actually he was already Yon rog in Captain Marvel, so he can't do it. But I think Eddie Redmain and Adam Driver would play wall off each other. Zach didn't give us an for who he thinks should play Doom if Adam Driver is mister Fantastic, but I really like his read. Richard's answer. Yeah, great answer, Zach Wilder. Our next honorable mention goes to John Starowski, who said, what is up guys? John Starowski here? So Adam Drivers Read Richards should be oppositioned by Jonathan Reese Myers is Doctor Doom. I think he'd be really great for the role. He's a very talented actor. And for the reverse with Adam Driver as Doctor Doom, I think it'd be really great to see Milo vent to Meiglia as Read. Richards also a very talented actor. He was known for heroes and he's done a couple other things.

6:33 But I think for sure that both of those castings would be absolutely fantastic. Yeah, I know, I hate Jonathan Reese Myers as Doctor Doom. He has the sort of like smug arrogance to him that I think he can really work well for the character. And Milo Vento Miglia from Heroes. I was a big fan of that show. I know for a while he stated that his dream role would have been to play night Wing in a live action Batman film, and I really feel like he needs to get in the comic book superhero casting landscape because clearly he's a fan. Yeah. I mean, I feel like both of these actors are Hollywood's biggest B listers, but there's no denying that they have talents and they definitely have the ability to perform wonderfully in these superhero films. So great answer, John Staroski. Our next honorable mention goes to Brandon Estregard, who said, hey, guys, if Adam Drivers cast as Doctor Doom, I would like to see Joseph Gordon Levett as mister Fantastic. And if he is playing Mister Fantastic, then I want to see Keanu Reeves be Doctor Doom. I know there's a h gup there. But I'm sure they'll explain it like black magic or science or whatever, you know what. Joseph Gordon Levitt is one of the more interesting names thrown out there for Reed Richards that I've heard in a long time. I think the guy would absolutely kill it. It's been a while since I've really seen him in anything, but I think he comes across as remarkably intelligent, especially when you look at roles of his like Inception or something like that, you know,

8:03 yeah, or The Dark Knight Rises. He's a great actor. I really like that choice for Red Richards. I don't love Keanu Reeves as doctor Doom. I know a lot of people are like fancasting that we know that Keanu Reeves is fucking terrible at doing European accents. Like, let's not even start that he could do an American accent. I'm sure Doom is smart enough to pull off an American accent, considering you know, he did part of his postgraduate work in the United States. So I would love to see Keano Reeves in the role. Like, if that happened, I would not be upset about it. I don't know. I think eventually he'd have to do an accent. I think you just don't want an actor of Keno Reeves caliber to be part of the MCU. I think you just want him for DC.

8:46 That's what I think Caliber. I mean, he's not like an Oscar contender, you know. No, he's not an acting savant, but he is a very interesting actor who picks interesting roles and draws in a lot of people because of that. Fair fair Yeah, fucking neo man in the MCU. I could see that that'd be awesome. So great answer, Brandon. We want to give a huge shout out to Benjamin Ryan and Alex Wang for taking the time to visit our website and leave their answers. Yeah, I do want to point out quickly that and Alex Wang's answer. He said that really anyone could play the role of doctor Doom because he's rank a mask, and that got me thinking, like, what if they don't reveal who's going to play Doom and it just leaves like fans speculating for the course of several films as to who's beneath the mask. I think they would be really cool.

9:35 That would be really interesting, Actually, I would love that kind of like, how if I remember this correctly? They never revealed who played the ghostface killer in the screen movies. Yeah, yeah, but the winner of this week's no prize is Jacob Bell, who said, hey guys, it's Jacob Bell here. And if Adam Driver is mister Fantastic, then I would do kill you Murphy as Doctor Doom. I know he's already been a villain, but that was in DC. He's an incredible actor. I think it would be perfect. And then if Adam Driver is Doctor Doom, then I would cast Ansel Elgort as mister Fantastic. He's overdue to be a superhero. He's a fantastic actor. So that's my choice. And sure enough we have a casting question with Jacobell bringing an answer, and of course he gets the win because Jacob Bell is just awesome at casting. Seriously, he needs to be a casting director in Hollywood. Yeah, I think he'd crush it. Actually, I love both of these answers. I never considered Ansel Elgort as Read Richards, but he not only does he absolutely look the part, he'd be a great younger take on the role. I think Marvel would definitely be able to build a franchise off of him. And killing Murphy as Doctor Doom is like a no brainer, right. The guy played Scarecrow and Batman Begins and was so good in that role. He's so versatile that he could definitely take a different approach to Doctor Doom and absolutely the crush it. And plus you know he's British, he can definitely do the European accent thing. I think

11:05 it'd be fantastic. Yeah, I agree, I agree with everythink. Killian Murphy was so good as the Scarecrow they had to bring it back for two more movies in just like minor roles. He's just awesome. I'm actually really looking forward to seeing him in Oppenheimer. Yeah, but great answer, Jacobell, you win this week's no Prize. If you the listener want a shot at winning your own no Prize, stay tuned to later on in this episode when we'll be asking another question of the week. And now that that's done, on to the news. Okay, So this past week was CinemaCon in Las Vegas, and I am super jealous to everyone who got to attend because they got so many bad ass trailers and footage that we the pleabs will never get a chance to see. I mean, eventually we will get to see them. Yeah, when the movie comes out, we'll get to see that, right, But one of the few trailers that the public did get to see was of course, for the Lash, and it was amazing. This isn't the first trailer that we've had, but this is definitely one that gets me the most excited for the film, Like each new promotional piece that comes out just gets me more and more hyped to see this movie when I really wasn't excited to see it before. Yeah, there's a lot going on in this trailer. This is the first preview that we got that really gives a good sense of what the overall story is going to be, and it looks pretty exciting. Yeah, of course we've got a sense for the story and the previous trailer trailer number one, but this definitely dives more into it.

12:33 You know, as we hear Bruce Wayne saying at the beginning of the trailer, Michael Keaton's character he spent a lifetime trying to write the wrongs of the past how he lost his parents, and he's talking with Barry Allen who actually can do that, which is an interesting take on the character, and you could see why someone like Bruce Wayne would be endeared towards someone like the Flash, and it was neat to see how the different Bruce Wayne's kind of head not necessarily different takes. But you have Michael Keaton's Bruce Wayne, who was like impressed by the Flash's ability, and then you have Ben Affleck's Bruce Wayne, who was very much warning him against taking this type of time traveling action.

13:13 I feel like Ben Afflecks Batman has seen more shit in his shorter career than Michael Keaton's Batman. You know, everything from aliens to God's Yeah, it's pretty crazy. There is a shot early on when we get to see, you know, the vaults of different batsuits that Michael Keaton has warned her as a career, and the person standing there looking at them that has to be Michelle Pfeiffer. Right, I have no idea they have white hair long. I'm not sure. It was pretty interesting though. I've heard that there are so many cameos in this movie that we don't even know about. A lot of people have seen the Flash movie already, and I don't want to know about any of the surprise cameos that are coming our way. I wanted to be a surprise so if that is Michelle Peiffer, I don't want to know about it. I'm just really excited and happy if it is, because that would mean that Catwoman ended up with Batman, and I just love that.

14:05 Of course, this film was screened for the first time at CinemaCon for all the lucky bastards who got to attend. They didn't show any post credit scenes, however, so audiences will still be surprised in theaters when they see that for the first time. Later on in the trailer, of course, we get to see the flash like traveling through the time stream it looks like, and we see Zod's emergence on Earth, and of course Supergirl is there to help him fight the Kryptonians. I love the line where Michael Keaton's like, you want to get nuts? Let's get nuts? So good and such a great callback to the Batman eighty nine film. Yeah, that's just a high caliber easter egg right there. We get to see more of the other Barry Ellen and his really awkward looking flash get up. In my opinion, it's apparently a bat suit that has been reconfigured to be his flash suit.

14:54 I just think it looks really goofy. Well, because the Michael Keaton batman sued has like no neck right, like he can't turn his head. It looks like, yeah, so the silhouette is a little bit off. I'm interested in learning why Barry Ellen Prime his flash electricity speed four stuff is yellow and the new Barry Ellen his electricity trail is blue like how it was in the Justice League movies. I want to know what the reason is behind that. Yeah, I mean too, It's a cool visual effect to help audiences identify though, which flashes, which flash when you know they're moving get superspeeds. Yeah, yeah, I'm sure it'll be helpful. It looks like Barry Ellen gets electrocuted like twenty times in this movie though, because from like the last trailer to this trailer, there are like several instances of him just like screaming into the sky while he's being electrocuted. One of the things I really liked about this trailer was the swell of the music alongside like the very emotional visuals that we saw that they worked really well together. And it makes me wonder if this music is part of the score for the film. You'd think it almost would be considering you know, the film is done, we get to see Carl fighting Zod, we get to see Ben Affleck's batman like gliding away from explosions, and Michael Keaton's batman like gliding down from the bat plane.

16:12 I was surprised, honestly at just how much the bat plane seemingly is used in the runtime of this movie, because it looks like it's used in a lot of scenes here. Oh yeah, we're gonna get so much bat plane. It's gonna be so great if we get a lot of batmobile too, because that's an awesome batmobile. Rerecluding to who the villain of the story is later on in this trailer, when we see the alternate Barry Allen saying how like, no one's gonna die. We're gonna fix this, and the Barry Allen we know saying we're not gonna be able to fix this, but it's gonna be okay. That was interesting. Ezra Miller definitely plays off of himself very well as an actor. Well, I feel like he gave away too much. I think we just got the flashes arc in that shot where Barry's big lesson is that he can't control everything. You know that he can't always write every wrong, and that's where the Two Berries kind of diverge.

17:04 I would have been perfectly fine thinking that Zado is going to be the only villain in this, only to be surprised when we got a dark Flash character. You know, I don't know. I think it was subtle enough, and you know, honestly, I'm still kind of confused about the Two Berries. The last shot of the trailer are the two Berries sitting with Batman and they're about to like skydive off of the bat plane. But it's weird because in that scene, the Berry with the short hair is the one outside of the Flash costume, and I guess that means the alternate Berry is wearing the Prime Berries Flash costume. It's very weird. I noticed that too. Yeah. Yeah, it makes me wonder, like, how many scenes we're seeing of the Flash in this new costume are Prime Berry versus Alternate Berry. I have no idea. Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how that all plays out, because you're right, Prime Berry would not be like asking Batman where his parachute is and be like super impressed by it and all that stuff.

18:03 Exactly. He's had experience with Batman and he would know but how cool is that a final shot with Batman skydiving away from the bat plane and the batplane going across the moon. Oh yeah, that was really cool. All the bat plane stuff is just gets me super happy. I can't wait for that. There's a lot of like cool little winks and nods and Easter eggs here and there that the director Andy Machette included that makes me think it's just going to be a phenomenal film and that he really gets the fans and that he's actually excited about the characters. Yeah. To me, this really feels like it's gonna be almost something like No Way Home or something like that. I can't wait for it, and I can't wait to see how it also sets up the new DC universe. Towards the end of the trailer, before it shows the title, it cycles through the various logos of the various heroes that are going to be on screen in the movie, Michael Caine's Batman, Batfleck, Supergirl, and then the flash. They're really selling the amount of characters that are in this film, and I think they're get really well. But speaking of all the heroes in this movie, that brings us to our question of the week. What character are you most excited to see in the flash film and why? Record your answer at Dynamic Dual dot com by clicking on the red microphone button in the bottom right hand corner, which will prompt you to leave us a voicemail. Your message can be up to thirty seconds long, and don't forget to leave your name in case we include you on the podcast. We'll pick our favorite answer and toward that person a Dynamic Dual no prize that will post to Instagram and our email newsletter. Be sure to answer

19:34 before May sixth. But speaking of CinemaCon, there was a bit of footage released on behalf of Sony showing a scene from the Craven the Hunter movie, which is starring Aaron Taylor Johnson. Basically, the scene that was described is Craven fighting a bunch of poachers and killing them, basically just beating the shit out of them gruesomely. They described one as Craven biting a dude's nose off and shit, acting like a crazy animal. And I don't know how I feel about all of that, but the implication in the big news that really came out of the scene was that Craven the Hunter's going to be R rated, which is unlike Sony's other villain titles like Morbious and Venom, which we're all PG thirteen to have an R rated Sony Spider Verse Spider Man villain movie is kind of an interesting take. I don't hate it because you know, Craven the Hunter can be a very dark, violent character, and when you look at a story like Craven's Last Hunter or something like that, they go into dark themes that I think would be better suited by an R rating.

20:42 But I just didn't see this coming. It's a kind of a big shock and mildly increases my interest in the film overall. It really makes me wonder if this film is going to be a part of Sony's planned like Spider Verse and you know, and whether or not like Warbus is going to make cameo and a post credit scene saying we're building a team or something like that, you know, because that's what I thought we were going to get. But this R rating makes me second guess that, Like, what if they're just going the direction of the Joker films for this just its own standalone, R rated villain focused thing that could entirely be the case, maybe they're trying to have their cake and eat it where you get like a Joker esque R rated standalone villain story and then maybe still tied into a larger villain team up film with Aaron Taylor Johnson, Tom Hardy, Jared Letto, and Michael Keaton.

21:33 I mean, technically, I guess they could do that since they've established this whole multiverse thing. It would just be bizarre. Yeah, I still don't think it would even be worth doing unless you could have Spider Man in the movie, and I just don't see that happening. It would almost be like what Keen Phoenix is Joker popping up in the Flash film. I'd be like, what, Well, it's cool that DC is like establishing their else World's brand four stories that take place outside of DC continuity, right, Sony is kind of like its own else World's thing. But these characters are so tight into Spider Man and you want to see them interact with that main character, and it's not likely that's going to happen, So it's all, you know, it's all just so weird that Sony is making these films to begin with.

22:15 At least this one's going to be R rated, so it might have some cool hardcore action. The first trailer for this movie should be dropping within the next month or so here, so we'll see what kind of vibes we get from that first footage released to the general public. I would be really surprised if it like dropped with across the Spider Verse like this kid animated film with an R rated trailer in front of it. If the movie is going to be rated R, I hope that they drop a red band trailer in addition to the regular trailer. The movie comes out October sixth, though, so we have plenty of time for speculation prior to the film's release. But I think that does for all the news for this episode. Now let's move on to the main event, where we find out who's gonna win in a battle between the apocalypt and New God Big Barta and there warrior Ronan the Accuser.

23:17 Okay, Big Barda versus Ronan the Accuser. These are two massively powered cosmic characters that carry these awesome cudgels, you know, a Mega Rod and what is it called the Ultimate Hammer or something like that. It's the Universal Weapon. Close enough. Like I said, I've been looking forward to doing a dual episode with Barda for quite some time, and you know, we figured with the Guardians of the Galaxy volume of three movie coming up, Ronan would not be a terrible matchup for Barda. The characters were both created by Jack Herby and the way he draws them. At least they both wear these like curved headdress things. Yeah, they kind of have similar silhouettes at least you know, from the shoulders up, which is interesting, and they both have cool weapons. When we stumble upon Ronan the Accuser as a dual matchup for Big Barda, I think it was with the executive producers like months ago.

24:06 Oh yeah, it was a while. I was super excited by the concept and really interested in learning about Big Barta's history and seeing exactly what she can do, because I know what Ronan can do, and he is super powerful and Big Barda has her work cut out for her. Big Barta is not threatened by Ronan. She deals with punks like him all the time on Apocalypse. Ronan the Accuser is no punk, and I think you'll learn that as I go into his backstory. But let's learn how these fights happen. Let's go ahead and turn to our sentient dual simulator, Alfred Jarvis nine thousand, AJ nine K tell our listeners how you go about determining a winner in our dual matchups. Yes, of course, sir. The way I determine a winner between the contestants is by running one thousand Monte Carlo simulations using the character's statistics. A Monte Carlo simulation is a probabilistic model used to determine outcomes through random sampling. In this case, I randomized the statistics along a normal distribution as a way to simulate the any variables that can occur during battle.

25:02 The stat parameters are based on the official Marvel Power grid, from which the DC character's statistics are extrapolated. Additional stack categories are included, such as range, damage, potential, versatility, and perception in order to create a more detailed and accurate simulation. The results of the one thousand simulations provide a percentage of wins for each character. The contestant with the higher percentage is declared the victor, as they have a higher probability to win any given battle. In an equitable pairing, neither character should win one hundred percent of the matches. The comic book stories have shown that there's even a way for Batman to defeat Superman, so the confidence rate of my method falls in line with the precedents that have been established in the source material. My mathematical simulations are without subjectivity or bias. Feats are not the sole consideration, nor a fan votes tabulated for determination of the winner. Thanks Ay jeanein Ka. Before we run the simulations, though, we like to break down each characters histories and abilities for improvising a scenario on how we imagine one of the one thousand simulations would play out. Bat for bat and I believe it's my trend to go first with the Marvel characters backstory, so let me go ahead and tell you all about Ronan the Accuser. Ronan, a blue skinned member of the space alien race known as the Cree, was born on the Cree capitol planet Halla, where he underwent formal education. Upon completion of school, he joined the public Accuser Core, which was a planetary militia tasked with serving as judge, jury,

26:32 and executioner to those accused of crimes against the Cree Empire. As a particularly skilled and devoted Accuser, Ronan rose through the ranks of the Core until he was promoted to Supreme Accuser by the Supreme Intelligence, which was the ruler of the Cree and an organic supercomputer composed of the greatest minds in Cree history. As the Supreme Accuser, Ronan was third in authority only to the Supreme Intelligence and Imperial Minister, and he took his task of enforcing the Cree laws and decreased seriously. One of his earliest missions in his new role was to travel to Earth to investigate the destruction of a robotic Cree sentry drone at the hands of the Fantastic Four. Though the Four were able to redirect the quote unquote sentencing blast back at Ronan and defeat him, the attack prompted Ronan and the Supreme Intelligence to order a Cree spy expedition to Earth to further investigate the threat that the planet posed. Among these spies was the Cree Captain Marvel, whom you can learn more about in our Captain Marvel Dual episode. Despite Ronan's seeming compliance taking orders from the Supreme Intelligence supercomputer, he secretly plotted to overthrow the Cree leader, believing that the Empire should not be ruled by an artificial intelligence.

27:51 During his attempted coups, however, he was stopped by Captain Marvel and incarcerated for his treason against the Cree Empire. He later escaped, though, and was able to successfully carry out his takeover, using the Empire's war against the Scroll Alien race, the kres Scroull War as a distraction. Ronan's role as the Kreese leader was short lived, however, as the Supreme Intelligence returned and telepathically forced him into obedience. While under mental subjugation, Ronan learned the error of his ways and decided to serve the Supreme Intelligence willingly. He was then assigned to the elite intergalactic strike force called the Crease Star Force, which was tasked with assassinating Queen Lilandra of the Siyar Alien Empire. Ronan and the Star Force were thwarted, however, by the Avengers, who defended Queen Lilandra alongside the Shire Imperial Guard. It was Earth's hero's interference in galactic affairs that eventually led to Earth being declared a prison planet for the universe's criminals, the rationale being that heroes such as the Avengers, Fantastic Four, and x Men would be too preoccupied with the criminals to do anything about cosmic affairs. Ronan was assigned as the Warden of Earth, ruling over it ruthlessly. Whoever, the Universal Criminals ended up partnering with Earth's heroes to drive Ronan back away from Earth. Eventually, back on Halla, Ronan was framed for treason and stripped of his accuser rank, but he nevertheless defended the Kree Empire alongside Nova star

29:21 Lord and the rest of the United Front against the Annihilation Wave invasion of the Negative Zone forces led by the villain Annihilis. Having cleared his name in the eyes of the Kree Empire, Ronan returned to Halla to confront those who had framed him, learning that in his absence, the Roque Government faction had lobotomized the Supreme Intelligence. As an act of mercy, Ronan killed to the Supreme Intelligence and was named the new Emperor of the Kree Empire. His people soon fell into disarray, however, after largely being assimilated by the techno organic parasitic race known as the Phalanx, who had themselves been taken over by the Avenger villain Ultron, whom you can learn more about in our Brainiac Versus Ultron duel episode. Ronan teamed up with Nova and star Lord again to defeat Ultron and the Phalanx, but despite their victory, the Kree Empire was in ruins.

30:14 You can learn more about Nova and star Lord in their respective duels against Green Lantern and Adam Strange. The Inhumans, who were heroes from Earth who descended from experiments by the Kree Empire on ancient Mankind, took advantage of the Kree Empire's brokenness, and the Inhuman leader Black Bolt, defeated Ronan to become the Empire's new ruler. The Inhuman's rule over the Cree was short lived, though, and they later returned to Earth. Ronan then resuscitated the Supreme Intelligence to give it back control and rebuild the Kree Empire. He then fought alongside Nova and the Guardians of the Galaxy to prevent the spread of the Cancer vers and then joined the cosmic superhero team called the Annihilators, consisting of Ronan, Silver Surfer, Quasar, Beta, ray Bill, and Gladiator, all of whom have been in their own dual episodes save for a Gladiator. Later, a lost mirror device known as the Black Vortex was found, which could grant its owner the power of a celestial deity. Knowing the device was too powerful in the wrong hands, Ronan acquired it and brought it before the Supreme Intelligence, asking to use it to defend Halla. The Supreme Intelligence denied him, however, and soon star Lord's dad, Jason of Spartas, descended upon Halla and destroyed it, acquiring the Black Vortex for himself. Ronan blamed himself for causing his planet's destruction by bringing the Black Vortex there, and he tried to rebuild the Cree Empire and get revenge. Unfortunately, the surviving Cree Aliens rebelled against

31:49 their old ways of following the Supreme Intelligence and the Accusers, and they cruelly imprisoned and experimented on Ronan, turning him into a cyborg. He was eventually discovered in his new state by the inhuman King black Bolt, who put Ronan out of his misery at his request. You can learn more about black Bolt in his duel against Shazam, and that's his history. He's currently dead now in the comics, but he should return eventually. Powers wise. Ronan, the Accuser, is a member of the Cree alien race, which makes him physiologically superior to the most physically impressive human. Further enhanced by his Accuser body armor, Ronan can lift around fifty tons and withstand all but the most powerful of attacks. In addition to physical enhancements, his armor is equipped with technological scanners and cloaking devices that can detect the environment around him and make him undetectable to others. As the Supreme Accuser, Ronan also wields the Universal Weapon, which is a Cree warhammer device that replicates a lesser form of the power Cosmic, meaning that like the Silver Surfer, Ronan can use the hammer to fire and credibly powerful energy blasts, create simple energy constructs, manipulate matter at the molecular state, and teleport across interstellar distances. In addition, Ronan contains vast knowledge of Cree laws and strategy and has Cree Accuser combat training. And that's road in the Accuser. It's interesting that his hammer was like a prototype power

33:22 cosmic Channeller. I believe Barda's Megarod was a prototype apocalypt in Motherbox. Oh really, yeah, some of the same features, not all of them, but some. God, I had the hardest time figuring out exactly what Ronan's Hammer could do, specifically when typing out his abilities for this dual matchup, because I read so many different comics where basically he gave these really vague statements in regards to what the Universal Weapon could do, like it could create and destroy all matter, and it did a lot of really weird things, like when he first went up against the Fantastic Four, he weighed the thing down with his hammer so that he couldn't like stand up. Then he also really made the human torches fire ability so volatile that he went supernova unwillingly, you know, just random shit like that that I couldn't quite figure out how to nail down in the description. But then I read a comic where he fought the Silver Surfer who described Ronan's Hammer as trying to emulate the power of cosmic which is bestowed by Galactus and the Marvel Universe, and responded by saying, yeah, like what Galactus bestows, cre technology can emulate. So that's when it all made sense to me, the whole like energy and matter manipulation thing, kind of like how the Cree invented the negabands in an attempt to replicate the quantum bands. The Universal Weapon is another use of cre technology to replicate vast cosmically powered sources throughout the universe. When it comes to the Cree, the r and the Scrolls, like the three main alien races in Marvel,

34:54 the Crea seemed like the biggest douchebags. I don't know why. I think they all take turns, honestly, except for maybe the she Are. But yeah, the Skulls and the Creek can be pretty douchy. Well, I guarantee you they're not bigger douchebags than the Apocalyptins. Probably not. Yeah, And Apocalypse is where Big Barta comes from. Let me tell you all about her and her character breakdown. On the hellish planet of Apocalypse, ruled by the tyrannical New God Dark Side, existed a fierce battalion of women warriors known as the Female Furies. The Furies were bread and gestation labs and engineered for cruelty and ruthlessness. One of the furies greatest members was a woman named Big Brita, who fell in love with a man on Apocalypse and the two conceived a child naturally. Upon learning of this dark Side forcibly extracted the fetus from Brita and placed the child in a gestation chamber, where it continued to grow, and, once born, was placed under the care of Granny Goodness, commander of the Female Furies and the head of the orphanage where the child was raised. Grannie Goodness brought up this child, named Big Barta to be a formidable warrior, grooming her to be the dianne of the elite Special Powers Force who served under Darkside Directly during her training, Barta met Scott Free, the adopted son of Darkside, who you can learn more about in our Mister Miracle Versus Adam Warlock duel episode. Taken aback by a sense of peace he had

36:27 about him that came from his true heritage as the son of High Father, the benevolent ruler of New Genesis, Barta fell in love with Scott, a fellow orphan, and he introduced her to a seeker rebellion on Apocalypse led by the freedom fighter Hemone of New Genesis. After one of Barta's friends, Arelie, was tortured to death for the crime of dancing, Barta, Hemone and the new god Metron helped Scott Free escape Apocalypse. Though Scott urged Barta to escape with him, Barta refused, as she was unprepared and frightened to leave the only life she had ever known. Life without Scott proved to be more torturous than any training enforced by Granny Goodness. However, and when Darkside was able to declare war a new genesis with the absence of Scott free, Barta used the opportunity to escape herself. Barta managed to find Scott on Earth, where he had been training under a master escape artist named Thaddius Brown aka Mister Miracle, the mantle of which Scott would eventually inherit. Barta wasn't the only one to find Scott on Earth, however, as the forces of Apocalypse fought to kill the son of High Father on his new adopted planet, Barta helped Scott fend off his would be assassins, and over time the two were wed by High Father. Now married, Barta followed her husband and their diminutive assistant Oberon across the world as Scott built up a death defying escape artistry act.

37:55 The couple tried to live a normal life for a time, buying a loft and greenwich village, where Barta taught self defense training to the local women. Their life caught up with them, however, and when Scott joined the Justice League in order to help them protect Earth from Darkseide and the forces of apocalypse, Barta joined her husband and even led a mission to rescue Scott when he got lost in space. The couple lived on New Genesis for a time, but returned to Earth and took up residence in the Justice League headquarters. It was during this time that the two separated, as Barta felt that Scotts did not consider her feelings. Barta died in battle not long after, though a mournful Scott was able to bring her back to life after having temporary access to source energy, which is the energy in DC that created the universe and brings life. When one of the new gods of New Genesis predicted that an old god mcgeddon would awaken and cause chaos throughout the universe, he ordered Barta and the new god O'rian, who you can learn more about in our Orian versus Silver Surfer episode, to join to Justice League in order to help stop the threat. Barta partook in numerous missions with the League, though after the threat of mcgeddon was eventually stopped. Barta and Scott semi retired to the suburbs of Connecticut, though they never refused the chance to help members of the Justice League go up against Apocalypse, such as when dark Side kidnapped Supergirl and brainwashed her into becoming a female Fury. After a brief stint on the Birds of Prey

39:25 team and several other adventures with the Justice League, Barto was killed by a being of New Genesis named Infinity Man, who was manipulated into killing all New Gods in an effort to usher in a new age of deities. Not long after, Darkside nearly conquered the universe during the Final Crisis event, and after his defeat, Barto was reincarnated on New Genesis alongside High Father and several other New Gods. In post flashpoint continuity, Barta, still married to Scott, fought alongside her husband to protect Earth Too from being destroyed by dark Side, though the two failed to save that universe and have since fought alongside the heroes of DC's Prime Universe. Powers Wise, as a new God, Barta possesses vast durability, reflexes, and strength, allowing her to lift an excess of one hundred tons. She's essentially immortal, having not aged upon reaching the adulthood and is over two hundred and fifty years old. She is a highly trained warrior, mastering all forms of hand to hand combat and weapons training developed by the New Gods. She's equipped with apocalypt in armor and a weapon known as a megaod, a technological cudgel capable of generating devastating energy blasts and beams, tracking energy signatures, and it allows Barda to teleport without the need of a boom tube. She also has a limited degree of gravity control, allowing her to lift into the air with anti gravity or increasing the pool of gravity on

40:57 an object or individual. Sometimes she has a motherbox, sometimes she doesn't, a motherbox being a supercomputer of New Genesis technology that allows her to manipulate matter and energy, much like the power cosmic. Well, why does she need a motherbox if she has a megarod, which is supposed to emulate the abilities of a motherbox. She doesn't. Really. The only time I've really seen her carry one is when she and the jail A were going up against mcgeddon. I'm just bringing the stop in case you try and pull some shit with the hammer. Okay, so you're just fucking cheating. Fine, she doesn't have the motherbox, just the Megarod, but it'll be enough. Okay. I like this. All right, let's do it, because now that we've got their histories and abilities out of the way, we're going to speculate on how one of the one thousand simulated matches will go. The winners determined by simulations, not the speculation, but it's fun to imagine how the fight could play out. Alfred Jarvis nine thousand. What are the rules of our speculation?

41:54 Well, I should say there are no rules, other than the characters have no prior knowledge of the other going into the fight. All they are aware of starting out is that the other character is a threat that needs to be eliminated. For the speculation, the contestants will begin approximately fifty meters apart in a nondescript environment that will have no bearing on the match itself, as no environmental statistics are considered in my simulations. The contestants must earn victory on their own merit. All right, then let's get into it. Big Barda and Ronan, the accuser, meet on the battlefield. Who goes first? I'm actually going to say that Barta goes first. You know, since she was trained on Apocalypse as a female fury, she's been taught to show no mercy and give no quarter. So she's going to start by swinging her megarod at Ronan and just hurling a wave of Apocalyptin energy atom. But you know, having been trained on Halla as an accuser, Ronan's been taught to show no mercy and give no quarter to those who show no mercy, give no quarter. So so he's going to raise his universal weapon and generate an energy shield in front of him that blocks Big Barda's megarod attack. And while he's behind the shield, he's going to be scanning Big Barta with his universal weapon, which is going to feed information to his armor about her, telling him that she is extremely physically tough and that he needs to keep her at a fucking distance. So that's what he's gonna do. Well, good luck with

43:25 that, because you know, as Ronan is hiding behind this shield, she's gonna use the anti gravity powers of the Megarod to like launch herself into the air, and then she's gonna use it to also blast herself past Ronan chield and down onto him, just knocking him to the ground, where she begins pummeling him with the rod mercilessly. Well, this is not where Ronan wanted to be. I just said he had to keep his distance. But you know, you know she's swinging the megarod down onto him, but he could block that, knock her out aside with his hammer, and then he's gonna launch himself from the ground with like this hammer upper cut right into Barna's chin, sending her up into the air what like an inch. You know how durable she is, Like she's just gonna shrug let off and then grab his hammer with her other hand and just yank it away from him and then hurl it towards the horizon. Well that makes her dumb, because the Universal Weapon has a fail safe to prevent other people from using it. So you know, Barta tries to throw Ronan's hammer, but then the weapon just sends like this massive energy shock, and that's going to cause her to drop the hammer and just fall to the ground stunned, at which point Ronan's gonna grab his Universal Weapon and just play croquet with her head, just sending her careening it across the ground. Dude, do you think Barna hasn't been electrocuted on Apocalypse as like part of her torture training, Like, I guarantee you she has.

44:52 So. Again, like her recovery time is faster than Ronan is going to expect. And as he swings his hammer, Barta is just going to use her Mega ride to increase gravity's pool on it, so his hammer is just gonna slam into the ground before he could make a full swing. And that's when Barta lifts her legs up from the ground and grabs his neck between her calves, just twisting and slamming Ronan's head down next to his hammer. And just to prove that she's a badass, she's also gonna like grab the Universal Weapon. Stupid name, by the way, I just have to point that out. It's a fucking is a horrible name, isn't it. It's it's the worst called a Universal Hammer at least. Anyway, she grabs it, and she's just gonna power through the electric shock to break it in half over her knee, and that's going to destroy the technology in it. She's gonna like toss it to the ground, well, breaking the Universal Weapon in half. Over her knee. That's just going to break the handle. So all Barta did was make the hammer shorter, So you know, Ronan's gonna roll on the ground over to his Universal weapon, which is shorter but just fine. You know, he's gonna pick it up, and while on the ground, he's going to use it to transform the ground beneath Barta's feet into liquid. Okay, so she just falls right into the floor like quicksand, and then Ronan's gonna solidify the ground again, making her completely trapped underground.

46:10 Okay, well, I mean from the ground above Barta, you know where she sank is just gonna erupt this massive red bean like like an apocalypt and fire pit. That's gonna happen right before Bartera just explodes out of the ground. Except Ronan was prepared for this kk so while she was underground, he scanned her movements using his Universal weapon, and as she tries to come out of the ground, he plays whacka Barta with his hammer and slams her right back down into the hole. Okay, I mean that's when Barta is just gonna like lift up the massive chunk of ground that Ronan is standing gone from below because she could scan where he is too with her MEGAOD, and she's gonna hurl that sucker right into the stratosphere before blasting Get and blasting Get and Ronan to Smith Reens with an energy bean. That's pretty hardcore. Well, Ronan can kind of fly using the universal upon to create a energy floating disc construct that he can stand on. So as he's being like tossed into the air with this massive chunk of earth, he's gonna hop off of that chunk of ground before Barta blasts it, and from the air, Ronan's gonna transmute the falling debris into radion. So it's like raining radion rocks all over Barta and they weaken her and crush her as she gets buried in this like rock storm. How the fuck do you know about radion? Everybody knows about radion, man, you don't know shit about radion. I know that a radion bullet killed Orian once. I remember that from his duel against Silver Surfer.

47:44 And I bet you that Ronan scans will have revealed that Barna has a radion weakness. I forgot to mention that in my ride up. I guess, yeah, conveniently, I noticed Okay. I mean, well, once Barda senses that she's being weakened to buy Radion, She's gonna teleport into the sky above the debris and then just like quickly hurl her Mega Rod like a bullet right through Ronan's face, killing him. But if Barta's in the air and she throws her megaod, isn't she just gonna fall straight down on top of the Radion beneath her and then die that way? Yeah? But I mean that's that's a long fall. And as long as Ronan dies first, Farta still wins. But what if Ronan uses the Universal Weapon to like dismantle the Megaod into pieces before it even reaches him. I think that's what happened.

48:32 This is a pocket lifting technology like that's it's better if if it's made out of molecules, he can blast it apart. So Barta just falls to her death on top of the Radion debris. I'm gonna say no, because like he didn't even see where she teleported from, and she just threw away too fast for him to react. Well, that might be a good stopping point. We'll go ahead and leave it there and run the simulations to find out which of these scenarios happens. Either Big Barta throws her megarod right through Ronan the Accuser's face, or Ronan is able to disintegrate the megarod before it reaches him, and then she falls to her death, landing on something that she's weak to and therefore not durable against a J nine K run the simulations in putting data, running calculations, processing results, simulations complete. That was a particularly difficult speculation. I think I feel like Ronan's abilities aren't particularly well defined.

49:31 At least, you know, he's wildly inconsistent across the comics. Sometimes he's like the most powerful badass you've ever seen, and then you know, sometimes he's like, you know, mediocre at best. Really, because like Barta is consistently hardcore against all of her appearances, I would say, well, she definitely had the edge over Ronan the Accuser in terms of durability, strength, and fighting, although not like a massive advantage in either one of those categories, because Ronan is durable, he is strong, and he's pretty good at hand to hand combat. Yeah, Barta edged Ronan out in those categories, but Ronan was better an evasiveness considering he could turn invisible and create force fields and stuff like that. We also said that he had greater perception considering the far ranging scanning abilities of his hammer. It was just slightly more than what has been depicted for Barta's Mega rod. And we said, of course that he was more versatile. Yeah, considering that he pretty much has a lesser version of the power cosmic which the Silver Surfer wields, so he could apply that for a wide variety of effects that Barta just can't do.

50:39 Speed, damage and range wise, we said they were about comparable. So with all that, Jonathan, who's winning this one? This is going to be a tough one. I think Barta has a shot at winning. I think it's going to be close no matter who the winner is, and our Instagram followers that the same thing. I think this is the first time we've ever had a fifty fifty split on the pole post to Instagram. Yeah, I don't think this is the first time the poll results came out fifty fifty, but I do think we had more votes for this particular Instagram poll than we've had in a long time, and they came out dead even where the results pretty close to even. Let's find out a J nine K the results. Please, hey USA. All right, well, the winner between Ronan the Accuser and Big Barta is Ronan the fucking Accuser. Big Barta stands accused and sentenced to death for being super lame and not as good. Ronan the Accuser won five hundred eighty six matches out of the one thousand simulations, whereas Big Barta won four hundred fourteen, so it was fifty eight point six percent of the time, whereas Barta only one forty one point four percent. This is heartbreaking, this is super sad. I did not think it was going to turn out this way. I thought Barta was just way too awesome to ever lose to someone who lost via a dance off in the garden in the movie movie, well, you know, they went tip for tats in terms of their advantages over each other. You know, Barta head the durability,

52:09 strength, fighting, Ronan head evasive intellect, perception. But what edged Ronan over was his versatility. That universal weapon of his is so damn versatile. It can do crazy shit like break apart Big bartas Megarod and then weigh her down with heavy gravity. You know, things like that. Now I see why you did want me to bring a mother Box into this match, because if I had that versatility stat would not have been the death knell that it was. Perhaps not, but you know, at the end of the day, it was your choice, you know, and you made that choice for a reason, and I think you were right, of course you do. The only reason I didn't give it to her is because she's not from New Genesis. She's from Apocalypse and the mother Boxes are New Genesis tech. I mean, she's married to a New Genesis guy. But the Megarod is sort of like her signature weapon. I know is at the end of the day, I'd rather have a Megarod than a lame ass weapon called the Universal Weapon.

53:06 Well, the Megarod is just penis envy. Yeah, that's I mean, that's what I call mine, and I call mine the Universal Weapons. So there you go. That does it for this duel. Guys, let us know what you thought about the results by writing to us at Dynamic Dual Podcast at gmail dot com, or by visiting us on Instagram or Twitter. You can find links to olive our accounts by checking out our show notes or visiting our website Dynamic Duel dot com. And on our site. You could also find a link to our Patreon page, where you can join our Dynamic two O tier and chat with us and fellow listeners. Are Fantastic four tier, which gets you bonus content each month, our x forcedier that makes you an executive producer of this podcast, or our newest tier that lets you join our Dynamic podcast Network. If you can't join Patreon, you could still support the show by signing up for our e newsletter also at Dynamic duel dot com, or you can rate the show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, pot Chaser, or even on our website. Our next episode, of course, is going to be a review of Guardians of the Galaxy Volume three. I got my tickets way late, and I have like the world's shittiest seats. But that's what I get for thinking that superhero fatigue had set in, not for Marvel, you know, Contamania, Hello Am, I mean ant Man had a great opening weekend, and hopefully Guardians does too. I've heard that it's really good. I know, at the very least, it's going to be really heartfelt. I know personally, I'm really looking forward to it because I

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