Despero vs High Evolutionary

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Hi, Welcome to the Dynamic Dual
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Marvel and DC by comparing their characters and

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stat based battle simulations. I'm Johnny
DC and I'm his twin brother, Marvelous

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Joe, and in this episode,
we are doing a duel between Despero,

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the Justice League villain, and the
High Evolutionary, who we recently saw in

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the Guardians of the Galaxy volume of
three movie. Yeah, it was largely

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that film that kicked off this particular
duel. At first, we were going

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to do a fight between the Green
Lantern Mogo and Ego. It was going

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to be like a planetary battle,
and we'll still get to that, but

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we think that this battle is a
little bit more timely, and people are

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really curious about the comic book backstory
of the High Evolutionary, which we'll get

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to later on this episode, before
speculating on how a match between the two

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characters would play out and running simulations
to find out who would actually win.

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ahead and move on to the main
event of our episode, where we find

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out who'd win in a fight between
Desparrow and the High Evolutionary. All right,

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Despero versus High Evolutionary. As we
mentioned earlier, we wanted to get

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a high evolutionary duel in since it's
timely, right after the Guardians of the

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Galaxy Volume three movie This was absolutely
a last minute decision, and I'm kind

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of surprised at how well Despero aligns
with the High Evolutionary, not only looks

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wise, because they're both pink guys
with like pink mohawks, but also I

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think powers wise. I don't know
everything that the high evolutionary can do,

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but I do know that both Desparrow
and the High Evolutionary have like evolution ties

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to their powers. Yeah, I
think Despero is a big old ripoff.

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You realize that Despero came before the
High evolutionary, right, I don't care.

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He didn't look like how he does
now, So they made changes to

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the character to more closely align with
the High evolutionary aka ripoff. Oh,

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you're right, I forgot. Like
Originally, yeah, Desperrow had like a

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sideways mohawk on his head, like
a fin, but then they like rotated

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that ninety degrees, so it was
a mohawk, right right. To explain

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the methodology behind our duels, let's
go to our sentient dual simulator Alfred Jarvis

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nine thousand a J nine K.
Tell our listeners how you go about determining

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the winner in our dual matchups?
Yes, of course, sir. The

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way I determine a winner between the
contestants is by running one thousand Monte Carlo

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simulations using the character's statistics. A
Monte Carlo simulation is a probabilistic model used

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to determine outcomes through random sampling.
In this case, I randomize the statistics

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along a normal distribution as a way
to simulate the many variables that can occur

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during battle. The stat parameters are
based on the official Marvel power grid,

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from which the DC character's statistics are
extrapolated. Additional stack categories are included,

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such as range, damage, potential, versatility, and perception in order to

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create a more detailed and accurate simulation. The results of the one thousand simulations

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provide a percentage of wins for each
character. The contestant with the higher percentage

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is declared the victor, as they
have a higher probability to win any given

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battle. In an equitable pairing,
neither character should win one hundred percent of

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the matches. The comic book stories
have shown that there's even a way for

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Batman to defeat Superman, so the
confidence rate of my method falls in line

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with the precedents that have been established
in the source material. Mathematical simulations are

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without subjectivity or bias. Feats are
not the sole consideration, nor a fan

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votes tabulated for determination of the winner. Thanks A. J. Nine K.

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Before we run the simulations, though, we like to break down each

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character's histories and abilities before improvising a
scenario on how we imagine one of the

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one thousand simulations would play out.
B for BT and I believe it's my

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turn to go first with the DC
character's backstory, So let me tell you

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all about Despero the Destroyer. Centuries
ago, on the distant planet Kelenore existed

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a technologically advanced humanoid race. They
became dependent on nuclear energy. Their largest

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nuclear reactor was built on the outskirts
of a mega city known as Patar,

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home to one billion Kelenarians. When
the reactor went critical and exploded, it

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caused nuclear storms that ravaged the planets, killing the Kelenarians and evolving the lesser

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life forms. One species that mutated
from the radiation gained to lepithy and was

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able to enslave other emerging species on
the planets. These new Kellinarians eventually became

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more advanced than the ones that had
become extinct, though their success led to

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warring factions that fought for power and
control of the great civilization that they had

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created. After a generation of war, one family, one man emerged victorious

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after he and his wife had a
child. The wife tried to kill her

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husband in order to gain power,
though she was killed as a result their

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child, who grew to be the
Tyrants. Desparrow killed his father when he

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came of age and took control of
Kelenore, where he ruled for nearly a

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century. When a rebel Kellinarian scientist
and his daughter escaped their planet and saw

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asylum on Earth, Desparrow tracked them
down, only to encounter the Justice League,

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which you can learn more about in
our Justice League versus Avengers team dual

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episode. Toying with the League,
Despero used his telepathic powers to place all

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of them but the Flag in a
hypnotic trance. Desperow challenged the Flash to

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a game of Kelinarian chess in exchange
for the freedom of the other heroes,

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and the Flash lost. Thanks to
Despero's secret telepathic ability, Despero teleported the

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Flash and the rest of the League
members to different planets, though each one

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managed to return to Earth in time
for the Kellinarian scientist and the Justice League

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sidekick Snapper Car to use a weapon
that Desperow was going to use to take

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over the planet against him. Weakened, Despero was returned to Kelenore, a

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fallen tyrant, imprisoned, and had
his telepathic third eye surgically removed, rendering

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him powerless. Over time, the
third eye grew back, however, and

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Despero was able to fake his death
and escape prison in order to get his

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revenge on the Justice League. Arriving
on Earth, Despero successfully banished League members

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to a distant planet where Despero had
telepathically evolved the native reptile and insect life

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to become intelligent. Wonder Woman was
able to see through some of his mental

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illusions, however, and managed to
wrap him in her Lasso of Truth,

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forcing him to undo all of his
actions. After his subsequent plans to take

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over the galaxy were thwarted by the
League, Desparrow was imprisoned on the planet

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Tacron Gualtos, where he came to
the realization that his telepathic powers were not

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enough to ever defeat the Justice League. Desparrow escaped his prison planet and returned

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to Kelenor, arriving at the Flame
of Patar, a towering pillar of nuclear

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energy that managed to sustain itself on
the planet once the nuclear storm subsided.

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The Flame was worshiped by the people
of Kelenor, as close proximity to it

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was capable of healing the seemingly worthy
or destroying the seemingly unjust. Desparrow walked

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into the flame and his body was
destroyed, though his mind was powerful enough

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to harness the nuclear energy of the
flame to rebuild and evolve his body as

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he saw fit. With the powers
of his choosing reborn, Despero returns to

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Earth with reality working power and trapped
the League, though he was disappointed to

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learn that some members, such as
Superman, were no longer a part of

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the team. After reshaping Gotham City
into an alien one complete with its own

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Flame of Patar, Despero re entered
the Flame, building out his physique,

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during which time Batman managed to escape
his trap and free the others. While

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other members of the League fought Despero, Vibe used his shockwave powers to dissipate

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the flame, causing Despero's physical body
to vanish. You can learn more about

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Vibe in our Vibe versus Miss America
episode. Despero's mind lived on, however,

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and over time was able to mentally
will his body back into existence,

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after which he, of course sought
revenge on the Justice League, managing to

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kill the League member Steele, who
you can learn more about in our Commander's

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Steele Versus Captain America episode. In
a last ditch effort to stop Despero,

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Martian Manhunter, who you can learn
more about in his dual episode against a

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Vision, employed a sacred telepathic Martian
right called Mayavana, which invaded Desperow's mind

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and allowed him to live out a
false reality of his desires, in which

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he killed the Justice League and attained
peace with his hatred quenched, Despero's body

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reverted to a fetus, which was
given to the intergalactic broker known as Manga

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Khan in exchange for a robotic servant
named el Ron. Desparrow aged rapidly.

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Now a slave to Manga Khan,
but upon learning that the League was still

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alive, Desparrow managed to escape Manga
Khan and returned to Earth, where he

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battled the Justice League Europe as well
as the intergalactic bounty hunter Lobo, who

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was hired by Manga Khan to return
Despero. You can learn more about Lobo

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and his duel against Carnage. As
the battle nearly decimated Times Square, the

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League managed to use Despero's slave caller
that he still wore to swap minds between

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him and the native robot l Ron, after which Lron's body was easily destroyed.

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El Ron, now in Desperow's body, was returned to Manga Khan,

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who also paid for the restoration of
Times Square. Elron returned to Earth in

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Despero's body on occasion to help the
Justice League, and Despero's disembodied mind nearly

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succeeded in repossessing his old body,
but he was stopped by Supergirl. After

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possessing the minds of various members of
Young Justice, casting mental illusions to make

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them believe they were fighting him in
his old body, Desperow's mind managed to

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possess Martian Manhunter, though Young Justice
was able to use the hero's weakness to

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fire to expel Desparrow. Desparrow's mind
next went after then President Lex Luthor,

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managing to take over and transform his
body into one resembling his old form,

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timming up with a villain Johnny Sorrow. It took the combined might of the

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Justice League and Justice Society to bring
the partnership down. After reforming his body

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once again, Desperow was imprisoned on
a green lantern homeworld of Oa, though

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he escaped and used an alien mineral
known as black Rock to manipulate Earth's alien

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heroes into turning bad after his plan
was thwarted once again by the League.

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In a subsequent battle with the team
the Magic Heroes at Tanna attempted to banish

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Desparrow to the center of the Earth, though she was interrupted midspell and he

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was instead teleported out into space.
Desparrow later fell in combat against the villains

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Starrow, though this was seemingly his
intention, as his body regenerated into a

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superior form. In post Flashpoint continuity, Desparrow was a planet conqueror who saw

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a challenge in taking on Earth and
its superhuman heroes. After being defeated by

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Martian Manhunter and imprisoned on Earth for
a time, Desparrow returned to Kelenor and

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took control of the planet once again, and an effort to mine nth metal

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for his army. He orchestrated a
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during which he and hawkmand seemingly killed
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across the universe by his Zeta beam, and that's his history. Powers wise,

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Desparrow possesses a genius and powerful telepathic
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than his, as well as cast
mental illusions and project beams of mental energy

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from his third eye. He can
telekinetically propel himself through the air to achieve

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flight, and he can naturally breathe
fire. He possesses regenerative abilities powerful enough

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to rebuild his body in its entirety
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as a towering, muscular brute that
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of going toe to toe with the
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and Lobo. If his body is
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him to recreate it, but in
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possess other beings and reshape their body
into his own, so there's no stopping

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him. Oh it's easy, you
just blind his third eye. That's not

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how that works. Yeah, you
just blind it his third eye, you

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know, and then he lives a
semi charmed life after that, he doesn't

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have his powers anymore. That's very
simple. I was a little bit interested

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in hearing how the physical form and
like age don't really apply to a being

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such as Disparrow. The fact that, like sometimes he'll revert into an infant

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and then like he can create his
own body and shit, Like, the

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whole physiological aspect to the character seems
almost like an afterthought. It's really about

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his brain. It's about his mind
creating like the perfect unstoppable body. It's

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just kind of deceiving in that regard
because you think he's like this kind of

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lumbering brute, but he's anything but. Yeah, exactly, he's strong,

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but he's also highly intelligent. He's
the best of all worlds, which is

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why he poses such a threat to
powerful teams like the Justice League. Well,

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hopefully he steps off that ledge,
my friend, What does that mean?

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And if he doesn't want to talk
to high evolutionary again, he will

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understand? Is that also a third
eye blind song? I wish you would

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step back from that ledge, my
friend, okay, cut ties with all

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the lines that you've been living in
and if you do not want to see

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me again, I would understand.
Hey, this is not the fucking Joseph

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karaoke podcast. All right, it's
a dynamic dual podcast. You know you

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like to sing. Come on,
that's the next podcast I'm gonna start,

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and you're not going to be allowed
on it. Oh come on, all

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right? You know what, I
think you're gonna be pleasantly surprised by how

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similar the High Evolutionaries backstory is,
or you know, thematically at the very

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least, let me tell you all
about him. Born in the early twentieth

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century in Manchester, England, Herbert
Edgar Wyndham grew up to be a brilliant

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scholar in the field of heretical biology
and genetics. Who wait, and he's

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human? Yes, what curveball did
not expect that. Inspired by the work

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of Nathaniel Essex, who was secretly
the villain Mister Sinister, Herbert became obsessed

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with exploring the mysteries of human DNA. While attending Oxford University, Herbert began

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conducting unorthodox experiments in his parents' basement, attempting to evolve rats. Although he

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was unsuccessful, he got his big
break at a genetics conference in Geneva,

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Switzerland, when an inhuman scientist known
as Fader secretly gave Herbert the blueprints for

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unlocking the human genetic code in an
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this new information, Herbert was able
to create what he called isotope a,

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a serum which was capable of providing
controlled genetic alteration. With the cierum,

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Herbert was able to successfully evolve his
dalmatian into a partially humanoid form, though

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the beast was killed by a hunter. Herbert's professors were shocked by the ethical

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implications of his work and expelled him
from the university. However, one of

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Herbert's peers, Jonathan Drew, was
curious about isotope a, and the two

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partnered together. They established a secret
lab in Transia, an eastern European country,

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where doctor Drew's wife had inherited some
land at the base of Mount One

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Dagore, and there they conducted their
illegal animal hybrid experiments. Shortly after,

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doctor Drew's daughter Jessica fell fatally ill
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deposits, and the scientists used a
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to save her life. Young Jessica
went into suspended animation, but years later

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she would eventually awaken to find that
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spider powers and she would become the
super heroine known as Spider Woman. No

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Interesting. But during the time Jessica
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leaving Herbert alone to continue his work. He constructed a special suit of

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armor to protect him from Mount Onandagore's
radiation and potential animal attacks. After developing

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a strong mutagen isotope B, Herbert
created a race of animal human hybrids,

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which he called the New Men or
Animen. He taught them a chivalrous code

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of ethics, making the Animen the
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the Knights of Onandagore. Over time, he started going by the high evolutionary

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and became compelled to attempt his experiments
on humans. He kidnapped two infant twins

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that were born on Mount one Dagore
and evolved them into human mutates, not

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unlike mutants that acquire their powers naturally. These kids were Pietro and Wanda Maxima,

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who would become the heroes called Quicksilver
and the Scarlet Witch, and you

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can learn more about them in their
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Herbert then developed Isotope C and evolved
a wolf human hybrid into a savagely strong

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being called Man Beast. Emboldened by
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created Isotope D and began experimenting on
himself. He evolved his own form repeatedly

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at the highest point, becoming a
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ascending into the cosmos, where he
acquired several of the Infinity Gems. After

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a time, however, the Knights
of Windegoor called him back home to restrain

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Man Beast. Herbert devolved himself back
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so that he could evolve or devolve
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Herbert decided to carry out his grandest
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of life on a planetary scale.
Herbert used the Infinity Gems he acquired while

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out in space to construct counter Earth
within Earth's orbit on the opposite side of

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the sun. Though Herbert wanted to
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Man Beast added his own evil influence
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this time, Herbert also came into
the possession of a cocoon containing the artificially

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created being at a Warlock. He
gifted Adam the Soul Gem and tasted with

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protecting counter Earth from Man Beast and
other threats. You can learn more about

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Adam Morlock in his dual episode against
Mister Miracle. Eventually, however, counter

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Earth was stolen from its orbit by
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whom you can learn more about in
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Herbert pursued the thieves, but retreated
when he became aware of how unfathomably advanced

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the Beyonders were. Distraught, he
dedicated himself to a new goal of evolving

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humanity. To rival the might of
the Beyonders, he recruited agents to travel

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the globe to identify and sterilize those
people deemed genetically unfit to advanced human evolution

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via reproduction. The Avengers were able
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him in his genesis chamber, which
evolved Herbert beyond a point he had ever

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existed before, beyond that of a
god, beyond existence itself. Herbert was

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no more. His essence was later
harvested by a group of cosmic deities known

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as Celestials, who reverted Herbert back
to his depowered humanoid form. Back at

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mal Onondagore on Earth, he went
to war with the mutant race, who

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considered his experiments an affront to natural
evolution. He fled to the Savage Land

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in Antarctica, where he developed Isotopee, his most powerful yet unstable mutagenic serum.

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Yet using it on himself, Herbert
began evolving and devolving from a hyperintelligent

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entity to a Neanderthal and back,
and was only able to control himself be

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a regular exposure to his serum.
After the Decimation event, when the Scarlet

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Witch used her reality warping ability to
depower most of the world's mutants, the

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Magneto was rendered human. Desperate,
he fled to Herbert, who created a

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machine that would grant Magneto his powers
again. You can learn more about Magneto

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in our Senestro versus Magneto dual episode
Herbert then returned to space, when he

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worked on resurrecting the alien Cree genome. There, he assisted Adam Warlock and

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the Guardians of the Galaxy in their
fight against Ultron and the technoparasitic alien race

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called the Failings. Later, he
partnered with the Eternals, who believed the

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Celestials were going to soon judge humanity, and Herbert created a gene bomb to

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cleanse the Earth. However, it
turned out that Zurus, the head Eternal,

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had been lying, and Herbert's bomb
was stopped. Herbert returned to a

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now restored counter Earth, where he
wiped out all life to begin anew seeking

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to build the perfect society. With
every flaw he would notice, he would

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wipe out life again and start over, though eventually the Avengers stopped his genocidal

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habit. During the fight, Herbert's
mask was cracked and underneath was revealed a

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deformed visage, a chimera of multiple
animal faces. After a failed attempt to

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crash counter Earth into Earth, Herbert
was vaporized by the Avengers into an unknown

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dimension. However, the Knights of
Onondagore were able to develop a machine to

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bring him back, and that's his
backstory. That's interesting. How like when

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his cracked, it showed like this
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but instead of like a hybrid face, it was just freaking no skin

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face, right, Yeah in the
movie. Yeah, nice adaptation there.

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Yeah. Powers wise, the High
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and evolution. Though he has at
times evolved to deity like might at a

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level to confront Galactus, more often
than not he's below that power level.

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Commonly, he wields superhuman strength,
able to wield several tons at minimum and

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go up from there. Within his
indestructible armor, he houses the tech to

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evolve or devolve himself and others.
He can recover from almost any attack.

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Once evolving himself after being smashed into
protoplasmic goo back into humanoid form like an

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evolutionary healing factor. The High Evolutionaries
exoskeleton suit can fire, can cuss of

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force blasts, and generate force shields. At higher levels of evolution, he

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develops psionic abilities, including telepathy,
ast projection, and telekinesis. Down to

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the atomic level, he can teleport, and he can also adjust his own

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size and mass at all levels of
evolution. Herbert is considered a genius,

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shifting from leading global expert at minimum
to universal expert depending on his mind's evolutionary

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state, where he has always advanced
in scientific fields ranging from biology, genetics,

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chemistry, physics, engineering, computing, and cybernetics. And that is

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the High Evolutionary. Is he a
good fighter because I forgot to mention that

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Desparrow is a good fighter. No, High Evolutionary is not a good fighter.

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He doesn't fight. That's not what
he does. He's all about the

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brain. You think Desparrow would be
as well, but I guess klein Or

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is a strong military planet. What
do you think about the differences between the

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comic book version of the High Evolutionary
and the movie version. I think the

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comic book history was interesting. I
think James Gunn is a master of adapting

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complex comic book backstories on screen.
Though yeah, it was a good adaptation,

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if not an entirely faithful one.
And I think the biggest difference I

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noticed is that the movie version of
The High Evolutionary was exceedingly evil, whereas

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the comic book version of The High
Evolutionary seems a little bit more neutral in

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terms of his moral alignment. I
mean, the guy is committing genocide at

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a planetary level. I don't know
if that checks out that's true, but

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I think he doesn't in the comics
less passionately. But now that we've got

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the characters histories and abilities out of
the way, let's speculate on how one

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of the one thousand simulated matches will
go. The winner is determined by simulations,

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not the speculation, but it's fun
to imagine how this fight could play

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out. Alfred Jarvis nine thousand.
What are the rules of our speculation?

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Well, I should say there are
no rules, other than the characters have

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no prior knowledge of the other going
into the fight. All they are aware

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of starting out is that the other
character is a threat that needs to be

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eliminated. For the speculation, the
contestants will begin approximately fifty meters apart in

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a nondescript environment that will have no
bearing on the match itself, as no

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environmental statistics are considered in my simulations. The contestants must earn victory on their

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own merit. All right, then
let's get into it. Desparrow and the

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high Evolutionary meet on the battlefield.
Who goes first I'm going to say that,

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since Desparrow is a very militant and
rage field character, that he'll go

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first. And yeah, he's gonna
start by shooting like a fiery mental energy

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beam from his third eye at the
high evolutionary, like making him feel this

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crippling pain. No, no,
no, because the high evolutionary has like

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these vast mental defenses. So like
the minute that high evolutionary feels Desparrow invade

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his mind with this telepathic attack,
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So no more psychic attacks from Desparrow. So you should be an easy

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match. You think Desparrow can be
stopped by psionic shielding, Like he goes

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up against the most powerful telepaths in
DC, like Martian Manhunter on the rags,

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so does I evolutionary. Like if
he can shut out Moondragon drags his

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daughter from his brain, he can
shut out Despero. So okay, whoever

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the fucking moon Dragon is. I
literally just said she has drags his daughter

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whatever, I guess this is a
telekinetic match. Then all right, So

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as soon as like Despero senses that
he can no longer access the high Evolutionary's

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mind. He's going to telekinetically yank
him towards himself, grabbing High Evolutionary by

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the face and just like crushing his
helmet and skull in his massive grasp.

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Okay, all right, but so
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his head actually grows larger because Highvolutionary
is gonna make himself tall, about like

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five stories tall. And so now
he's the one holding Despero in his grasp

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like an action figure type thing,
and he's just gonna just casually without any

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emotion, just like rip off one
of Despero's arms, just let it drop,

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right. Is he strong enough to
do that? Yeah, for sure,

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Like he can evolve his strength to
help him go up against heavy hitters

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like Hulk or Thor. So that's
not how evolution works, I think sure

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it is. Actually Okay, well, Desparrow has his arm ripped off.

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He's super pissed. He's gonna blast
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That's going to cause him to drop
Desparrow and from the ground. Desparrow is

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going to slam High Evolutionary his whole
body with a telekinetic blast, causing him

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to like topple backward and fall.
And I'm gonna say that, like Desparrow

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is just so rage field right now
that he's going to focus all of his

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mental energy into rapidly regenerating his missing
arm into this burly tentacle, and he's

400
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going to wrap it around the High
Evolutionary's giant ankle while he's on the ground

401
00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:51.000
and with the giant High Evolutionary in
his clutches, Desparrow is going to spin

402
00:31:51.079 --> 00:31:56.079
around and just hammer toss High Evolutionary
into the horizon. Okay, but High

403
00:31:56.079 --> 00:32:00.359
Evolutionary can teleport when he's evolved enough
to manipulate matter, you know, he

404
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:04.319
can shunt his own mass, So
he teleports right back to within sight of

405
00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:07.759
Desparrow. And at that point,
he fires his own telekinetic blast at Desparow

406
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:12.119
and he traps him in this like
force field like tractor beam type thing,

407
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and he just telekinetically knocks Desparrow all
around the battlefield like into the ground,

408
00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:22.319
slamming him and dragging him across the
floor until like Desparrow's body forms a ditch

409
00:32:22.599 --> 00:32:27.119
in the ground with his dumb mohawk
head just basically fucking Desparrow up. Dude,

410
00:32:27.200 --> 00:32:30.559
High evolutionary also has a mohawk.
I'm not dissing the mohawk. I'm

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00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:36.160
just saying Desparrow as a dumb mohawk, Okay, I only diss it as

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00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:39.720
inferior to high evolutionaries mohawk. Oh, okay, which is like a handlebar.

413
00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:44.559
It's weird, But yeah, I'm
gonna say that, like, after

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a few slams Desperow, he's just
going to create his own telekinetic shield against

415
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like what he's being slammed into,
and from there he's just going to start

416
00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:59.400
countering high evolutionaries telekinetic grasp. So
the two, you know, they're probably

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gonna end up with some sort of
telekinetic tug of war. Oh interesting,

418
00:33:02.519 --> 00:33:07.039
Okay, But if there's stalemating like
this, then a high evolutionary is just

419
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gonna evolve himself up a level so
that his telekinesis is even more powerful.

420
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And at that point he has telekinetic
control down at the atomic level, and

421
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with that, he's just going to
telekinetically de atomize Desparrow. Band match over

422
00:33:22.720 --> 00:33:27.559
high evolutionary's power is such bullshit.
You can't just be like, oh,

423
00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:31.240
I out evolve you sure you cann't
like what he does. You can't level

424
00:33:31.359 --> 00:33:39.799
up telekinesis what I don't know.
Whatever Desperrow. You know, his body

425
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may be gone like deatomize, like
you said, but his mind is not

426
00:33:45.279 --> 00:33:51.559
with the high evolutionary believing that he's
won this match. His mental shielding is

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going to be down that you mentioned
earlier, and Desperow's disembodied mind is just

428
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going to possess the higher evolutionary and
to over reforming his body into an evolved

429
00:34:02.519 --> 00:34:07.799
version of his own. Matches really
over. Now, you don't think the

430
00:34:07.920 --> 00:34:13.239
high evolutionary would be able to perceive
this invading consciousness like he'd be able to

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put up a struggle to keep Desparrow
from taking over. So I say that

432
00:34:17.199 --> 00:34:21.280
the fight actually goes onto the astral
plane, you know, where you have

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these two disembodied consciousnesses telepathically wrestling against
each other for control. But the thing

434
00:34:27.239 --> 00:34:32.159
is high Evolutionary can devolve Desparow's mental
state, so that's what he does,

435
00:34:32.239 --> 00:34:38.400
and Desparow's mind is going to revert
into like whatever primitive animal that his race

436
00:34:38.519 --> 00:34:44.559
was before the nuclear reaction explosion thing
on his planet. So basically, Desperow

437
00:34:44.719 --> 00:34:50.159
has the mind of a chimpanzee and
Therefore, High Evolutionary could just psychically erase

438
00:34:50.239 --> 00:34:53.559
him from existence, and he's going
to retain control of his body and win

439
00:34:53.599 --> 00:34:58.760
the match. Dude, I said, his mental guards were down, like

440
00:34:59.119 --> 00:35:04.480
Desparrow has torn apart the minds of
cosmic beings like the Firestorm matrix. There's

441
00:35:04.559 --> 00:35:09.119
no way High Evolutionary is going to
see Desperow's mental invasion in time. I

442
00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:15.079
say, Despero takes over High Evolutionary
and uses his power to evolve himself into

443
00:35:15.119 --> 00:35:21.920
his flame of Patar reality warping state, and he's essentially leaving this match as

444
00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:25.480
a god. No, he's leaving
it as a dead chimp chase, that's

445
00:35:25.519 --> 00:35:29.440
said. I disagree. Well,
we can go ahead and leave the match

446
00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:34.800
there either a high evolutionary wins control
of his own body and devolves Desperow's mind,

447
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:38.920
or Desperow wins control over High Evolutionary's
body and evolves himself into a god.

448
00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:42.880
Let's go ahead and and put their
stats, run the simulations, and

449
00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:45.920
find out who comes out on top. A J nine K take it away

450
00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:52.679
in putting data, running calculations,
processing results, simulations complete. That was

451
00:35:52.719 --> 00:35:54.760
pretty interesting. I had no idea
how that match was going to go.

452
00:35:54.840 --> 00:35:59.599
I just knew that it was going
to get weird, and it definitely did

453
00:35:59.679 --> 00:36:01.599
that. Yeah, honestly, that
went more interesting than I thought it was

454
00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:06.280
going to, for sure, given
that I didn't really know much about Desperow

455
00:36:06.679 --> 00:36:08.880
and I didn't know much about High
Evolutionary, But it worked out. Both

456
00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:14.519
of these characters are really really powerful, and they even doubt in quite a

457
00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:19.599
few stack categories such as speed and
durability, which actually surprised me because Desperow,

458
00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:23.119
I would say, is much more
physical than High Evolutionary from the outset.

459
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:27.760
Well, your perception of High Evolutionary
is probably from the movie, but

460
00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:32.519
what the movie didn't give him was
his exoskeleton from the comics, which is

461
00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:37.000
very impressive. Desperow was more impressive
than High Evolutionary and quite a few of

462
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:42.920
his physical stats like strength and fighting
skill. High Evolutionary sucked when it comes

463
00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:49.039
to fighting skill, but we did
say High Evolutionary is smarter and more versatile

464
00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:52.719
considering his wide array of powers as
he evolves himself. Yeah, Despero can

465
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:58.679
kind of evolve himself, but he
has to essentially die first, and definitely

466
00:36:58.719 --> 00:37:01.760
not to the level of the High
Evolutionary, So the versatility stat makes sense.

467
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:06.360
We did say that they were equal
when it came to perception and range,

468
00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:10.440
considering they're both very powerful telepaths and
telekinetics, and their destructive potentials were

469
00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:15.159
both off the charts. I didn't
give High Evolutionary like his max destructive potential

470
00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:20.000
where he can like destroy a planet
like he does on Counter Earth, mainly

471
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:23.719
because he does require the use of
technology and outside machinery to do that,

472
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:28.280
and I didn't believe he would necessarily
have that on hand at will for this

473
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:31.079
match. Okay, Well, after
breaking down the stats, Joseph, who

474
00:37:31.119 --> 00:37:36.599
do you think came out on top
High Evolutionary Desperow's going down. I think

475
00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:38.320
it's going to be funny because I
feel like a lot of people thought that

476
00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:42.880
Desparrow was going to win this.
How confident are you? You know,

477
00:37:43.199 --> 00:37:46.320
fairly confident? I guess about as
high as our Instagram polltakers, sixty four

478
00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:50.880
percent of whom thought that the High
Evolutionary would win. Of course they did.

479
00:37:51.280 --> 00:37:53.079
Of course they did because they just
saw the movie and they're like,

480
00:37:53.400 --> 00:37:55.960
yeah, High Evolutionary, he's on
top of mine. I'm going to choose

481
00:37:57.039 --> 00:38:00.519
him. Well, maybe DC needs
to like make more movies and get characters

482
00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:02.159
out there more. You know,
you can't blame Marvel for being more popular.

483
00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:07.400
I can, and I do.
But let's find out who won a

484
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:12.239
J nine thousand the results, please, Hey, Yussa, the winner of

485
00:38:12.360 --> 00:38:22.599
the matchup between Desparrow and High Evolutionary
is Despero bullshit bullshit not bullshit. But

486
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:29.480
let me give you the win rates. Desparrow one fifty point two percent of

487
00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:34.840
the one thousand matches compared to High
Evolutionary, who won forty nine point eight.

488
00:38:35.599 --> 00:38:37.920
This was a coin toss, so
if it's a coin toss, what

489
00:38:37.920 --> 00:38:43.239
you're saying is High Evolutionary also one, maybe with a different coin toss,

490
00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:47.639
not this coin toss. High Evolutionary
lost this one, which is surprising honestly,

491
00:38:49.039 --> 00:38:52.119
because there's quite a few stats where
High Evolutionary is maxed out. On

492
00:38:52.199 --> 00:38:59.639
the stats where Desparo isn't, namely
versatility and intellect, Desparrow is maxed strength,

493
00:38:59.679 --> 00:39:02.480
whereas High Evolutionary is not. But
I think the real kicker came down

494
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:07.639
to fighting. Well, it looks
like then High Evolutionary needs to take some

495
00:39:07.679 --> 00:39:12.639
taekwondo classes and then he'll have the
advantage here. Yeah, why can't he

496
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:16.320
evolve some bostash skills or something.
What a loser because hand to hand combat

497
00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:21.760
is beneath him. That's why,
well, custom this match so sucks for

498
00:39:21.880 --> 00:39:24.519
him. I mean barely barely.
Come on. I think that's the closest

499
00:39:24.559 --> 00:39:28.079
match of the year so far.
It's been a while since we've had a

500
00:39:28.119 --> 00:39:30.440
match this close that was essentially fifty
fifty. Yeah, I think you're right.

501
00:39:30.719 --> 00:39:35.559
Even though High Evolutionary didn't win,
I'm really glad that the match was

502
00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:38.519
that close. That way, it'll
shut up all of the the DC Desparrow

503
00:39:38.559 --> 00:39:43.719
fans out there. Why would it
shut me up? Dude? This is

504
00:39:43.760 --> 00:39:46.159
awesome. I am like super happy. No way, I'm shutting up about

505
00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:50.679
Desparrow's whin. You're gonna be hearing
about this all week. Come on?

506
00:39:50.920 --> 00:39:52.440
Oh, I mean, I just
I just feel like a lot of DC

507
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:57.719
fans tend to never read Marvel,
and so they just underestimate a lot of

508
00:39:57.719 --> 00:40:01.559
the Marvel characters, like High Evolutionary. Dude. From my experience, it's

509
00:40:01.599 --> 00:40:06.800
the Marvel guys who never read DC. That's why they're known as Marvel zombies

510
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:09.760
and have been since the eighties or
even longer. They only read Marvel.

511
00:40:10.079 --> 00:40:14.159
Do you see guys read Marvel stuff. Yeah, because they're fans. No,

512
00:40:14.199 --> 00:40:17.320
because there've been trying to make Marvel
fans don't read books. They watch

513
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:21.920
movies. Well maybe if DC movies
were good, people would watch those two,

514
00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:23.800
you know. Yeah, don't be
so bought her at your loss?

515
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:29.800
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