Despero vs High Evolutionary

0:22 Hi, Welcome to the Dynamic Dual podcast, a weekly show where we review superhero films and debate the superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing their characters and stat based battle simulations. I'm Johnny DC and I'm his twin brother, Marvelous Joe, and in this episode, we are doing a duel between Despero, the Justice League villain, and the High Evolutionary, who we recently saw in the Guardians of the Galaxy volume of three movie. Yeah, it was largely that film that kicked off this particular duel. At first, we were going to do a fight between the Green Lantern Mogo and Ego. It was going to be like a planetary battle, and we'll still get to that, but we think that this battle is a little bit more timely, and people are really curious about the comic book backstory of the High Evolutionary, which we'll get to later on this episode, before speculating on how a match between the two characters would play out and running simulations to find out who would actually win.

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5:20 ahead and move on to the main event of our episode, where we find out who'd win in a fight between Desparrow and the High Evolutionary. All right, Despero versus High Evolutionary. As we mentioned earlier, we wanted to get a high evolutionary duel in since it's timely, right after the Guardians of the Galaxy Volume three movie This was absolutely a last minute decision, and I'm kind of surprised at how well Despero aligns with the High Evolutionary, not only looks wise, because they're both pink guys with like pink mohawks, but also I think powers wise. I don't know everything that the high evolutionary can do, but I do know that both Desparrow and the High Evolutionary have like evolution ties to their powers. Yeah, I think Despero is a big old ripoff.

6:20 You realize that Despero came before the High evolutionary, right, I don't care. He didn't look like how he does now, So they made changes to the character to more closely align with the High evolutionary aka ripoff. Oh, you're right, I forgot. Like Originally, yeah, Desperrow had like a sideways mohawk on his head, like a fin, but then they like rotated that ninety degrees, so it was a mohawk, right right. To explain the methodology behind our duels, let's go to our sentient dual simulator Alfred Jarvis nine thousand a J nine K. Tell our listeners how you go about determining the winner in our dual matchups? Yes, of course, sir. The way I determine a winner between the contestants is by running one thousand Monte Carlo simulations using the character's statistics. A Monte Carlo simulation is a probabilistic model used to determine outcomes through random sampling. In this case, I randomize the statistics along a normal distribution as a way to simulate the many variables that can occur during battle. The stat parameters are based on the official Marvel power grid, from which the DC character's statistics are extrapolated. Additional stack categories are included, such as range, damage, potential, versatility, and perception in order to create a more detailed and accurate simulation. The results of the one thousand simulations provide a percentage of wins for each character. The contestant with the higher percentage is declared the victor, as they have a higher probability to win any given battle. In an equitable pairing, neither character should win one hundred percent of the matches. The comic book stories have shown that there's even a way for

7:51 Batman to defeat Superman, so the confidence rate of my method falls in line with the precedents that have been established in the source material. Mathematical simulations are without subjectivity or bias. Feats are not the sole consideration, nor a fan votes tabulated for determination of the winner. Thanks A. J. Nine K. Before we run the simulations, though, we like to break down each character's histories and abilities before improvising a scenario on how we imagine one of the one thousand simulations would play out. B for BT and I believe it's my turn to go first with the DC character's backstory, So let me tell you all about Despero the Destroyer. Centuries ago, on the distant planet Kelenore existed a technologically advanced humanoid race. They became dependent on nuclear energy. Their largest nuclear reactor was built on the outskirts of a mega city known as Patar, home to one billion Kelenarians. When the reactor went critical and exploded, it caused nuclear storms that ravaged the planets, killing the Kelenarians and evolving the lesser life forms. One species that mutated from the radiation gained to lepithy and was able to enslave other emerging species on the planets. These new Kellinarians eventually became more advanced than the ones that had become extinct, though their success led to warring factions that fought for power and control of the great civilization that they had created. After a generation of war, one family, one man emerged victorious

9:22 after he and his wife had a child. The wife tried to kill her husband in order to gain power, though she was killed as a result their child, who grew to be the Tyrants. Desparrow killed his father when he came of age and took control of Kelenore, where he ruled for nearly a century. When a rebel Kellinarian scientist and his daughter escaped their planet and saw asylum on Earth, Desparrow tracked them down, only to encounter the Justice League, which you can learn more about in our Justice League versus Avengers team dual episode. Toying with the League, Despero used his telepathic powers to place all of them but the Flag in a hypnotic trance. Desperow challenged the Flash to a game of Kelinarian chess in exchange for the freedom of the other heroes, and the Flash lost. Thanks to Despero's secret telepathic ability, Despero teleported the Flash and the rest of the League members to different planets, though each one managed to return to Earth in time for the Kellinarian scientist and the Justice League sidekick Snapper Car to use a weapon that Desperow was going to use to take over the planet against him. Weakened, Despero was returned to Kelenore, a fallen tyrant, imprisoned, and had his telepathic third eye surgically removed, rendering him powerless. Over time, the third eye grew back, however, and Despero was able to fake his death and escape prison in order to get his revenge on the Justice League. Arriving on Earth, Despero successfully banished League members

10:54 to a distant planet where Despero had telepathically evolved the native reptile and insect life to become intelligent. Wonder Woman was able to see through some of his mental illusions, however, and managed to wrap him in her Lasso of Truth, forcing him to undo all of his actions. After his subsequent plans to take over the galaxy were thwarted by the League, Desparrow was imprisoned on the planet Tacron Gualtos, where he came to the realization that his telepathic powers were not enough to ever defeat the Justice League. Desparrow escaped his prison planet and returned to Kelenor, arriving at the Flame of Patar, a towering pillar of nuclear energy that managed to sustain itself on the planet once the nuclear storm subsided.

11:37 The Flame was worshiped by the people of Kelenor, as close proximity to it was capable of healing the seemingly worthy or destroying the seemingly unjust. Desparrow walked into the flame and his body was destroyed, though his mind was powerful enough to harness the nuclear energy of the flame to rebuild and evolve his body as he saw fit. With the powers of his choosing reborn, Despero returns to Earth with reality working power and trapped the League, though he was disappointed to learn that some members, such as Superman, were no longer a part of the team. After reshaping Gotham City into an alien one complete with its own Flame of Patar, Despero re entered the Flame, building out his physique, during which time Batman managed to escape his trap and free the others. While other members of the League fought Despero, Vibe used his shockwave powers to dissipate the flame, causing Despero's physical body to vanish. You can learn more about Vibe in our Vibe versus Miss America episode. Despero's mind lived on, however, and over time was able to mentally will his body back into existence, after which he, of course sought revenge on the Justice League, managing to kill the League member Steele, who you can learn more about in our Commander's Steele Versus Captain America episode. In a last ditch effort to stop Despero, Martian Manhunter, who you can learn more about in his dual episode against a Vision, employed a sacred telepathic Martian right called Mayavana, which invaded Desperow's mind

13:09 and allowed him to live out a false reality of his desires, in which he killed the Justice League and attained peace with his hatred quenched, Despero's body reverted to a fetus, which was given to the intergalactic broker known as Manga Khan in exchange for a robotic servant named el Ron. Desparrow aged rapidly. Now a slave to Manga Khan, but upon learning that the League was still alive, Desparrow managed to escape Manga Khan and returned to Earth, where he battled the Justice League Europe as well as the intergalactic bounty hunter Lobo, who was hired by Manga Khan to return Despero. You can learn more about Lobo and his duel against Carnage. As the battle nearly decimated Times Square, the League managed to use Despero's slave caller that he still wore to swap minds between him and the native robot l Ron, after which Lron's body was easily destroyed.

14:03 El Ron, now in Desperow's body, was returned to Manga Khan, who also paid for the restoration of Times Square. Elron returned to Earth in Despero's body on occasion to help the Justice League, and Despero's disembodied mind nearly succeeded in repossessing his old body, but he was stopped by Supergirl. After possessing the minds of various members of Young Justice, casting mental illusions to make them believe they were fighting him in his old body, Desperow's mind managed to possess Martian Manhunter, though Young Justice was able to use the hero's weakness to fire to expel Desparrow. Desparrow's mind next went after then President Lex Luthor, managing to take over and transform his body into one resembling his old form, timming up with a villain Johnny Sorrow. It took the combined might of the Justice League and Justice Society to bring the partnership down. After reforming his body once again, Desperow was imprisoned on a green lantern homeworld of Oa, though he escaped and used an alien mineral known as black Rock to manipulate Earth's alien heroes into turning bad after his plan was thwarted once again by the League.

15:11 In a subsequent battle with the team the Magic Heroes at Tanna attempted to banish Desparrow to the center of the Earth, though she was interrupted midspell and he was instead teleported out into space. Desparrow later fell in combat against the villains Starrow, though this was seemingly his intention, as his body regenerated into a superior form. In post Flashpoint continuity, Desparrow was a planet conqueror who saw a challenge in taking on Earth and its superhuman heroes. After being defeated by Martian Manhunter and imprisoned on Earth for a time, Desparrow returned to Kelenor and took control of the planet once again, and an effort to mine nth metal for his army. He orchestrated a war between the planets Ran and Thanagar, during which he and hawkmand seemingly killed each other. Desparrow's body was actually teleported across the universe by his Zeta beam, and that's his history. Powers wise, Desparrow possesses a genius and powerful telepathic mind, able to control minds weaker than his, as well as cast mental illusions and project beams of mental energy from his third eye. He can telekinetically propel himself through the air to achieve flight, and he can naturally breathe fire. He possesses regenerative abilities powerful enough to rebuild his body in its entirety as he sees fit, which is often as a towering, muscular brute that possesses vast strength and durability, making capable of going toe to toe with the likes of Superman, Martian, Manhunter, and Lobo. If his body is destroyed, it does take some time for

16:45 him to recreate it, but in his disembodied mental form, Desparrow can also possess other beings and reshape their body into his own, so there's no stopping him. Oh it's easy, you just blind his third eye. That's not how that works. Yeah, you just blind it his third eye, you know, and then he lives a semi charmed life after that, he doesn't have his powers anymore. That's very simple. I was a little bit interested in hearing how the physical form and like age don't really apply to a being such as Disparrow. The fact that, like sometimes he'll revert into an infant and then like he can create his own body and shit, Like, the whole physiological aspect to the character seems almost like an afterthought. It's really about his brain. It's about his mind creating like the perfect unstoppable body. It's just kind of deceiving in that regard because you think he's like this kind of lumbering brute, but he's anything but. Yeah, exactly, he's strong, but he's also highly intelligent. He's the best of all worlds, which is why he poses such a threat to powerful teams like the Justice League. Well, hopefully he steps off that ledge, my friend, What does that mean?

17:53 And if he doesn't want to talk to high evolutionary again, he will understand? Is that also a third eye blind song? I wish you would step back from that ledge, my friend, okay, cut ties with all the lines that you've been living in and if you do not want to see me again, I would understand. Hey, this is not the fucking Joseph karaoke podcast. All right, it's a dynamic dual podcast. You know you like to sing. Come on, that's the next podcast I'm gonna start, and you're not going to be allowed on it. Oh come on, all right? You know what, I think you're gonna be pleasantly surprised by how similar the High Evolutionaries backstory is, or you know, thematically at the very least, let me tell you all about him. Born in the early twentieth century in Manchester, England, Herbert Edgar Wyndham grew up to be a brilliant scholar in the field of heretical biology and genetics. Who wait, and he's human? Yes, what curveball did not expect that. Inspired by the work of Nathaniel Essex, who was secretly the villain Mister Sinister, Herbert became obsessed with exploring the mysteries of human DNA. While attending Oxford University, Herbert began conducting unorthodox experiments in his parents' basement, attempting to evolve rats. Although he was unsuccessful, he got his big break at a genetics conference in Geneva, Switzerland, when an inhuman scientist known as Fader secretly gave Herbert the blueprints for

19:26 unlocking the human genetic code in an effort to speed up human evolution. With this new information, Herbert was able to create what he called isotope a, a serum which was capable of providing controlled genetic alteration. With the cierum, Herbert was able to successfully evolve his dalmatian into a partially humanoid form, though the beast was killed by a hunter. Herbert's professors were shocked by the ethical implications of his work and expelled him from the university. However, one of Herbert's peers, Jonathan Drew, was curious about isotope a, and the two partnered together. They established a secret lab in Transia, an eastern European country, where doctor Drew's wife had inherited some land at the base of Mount One Dagore, and there they conducted their illegal animal hybrid experiments. Shortly after, doctor Drew's daughter Jessica fell fatally ill from radiation sickness due to Mount Onandagore's uranium deposits, and the scientists used a combination of experimental Spider's herem and isotope A to save her life. Young Jessica went into suspended animation, but years later she would eventually awaken to find that her father and Herbert's experiments would give her spider powers and she would become the super heroine known as Spider Woman. No Interesting. But during the time Jessica was in suspended animation, doctor Drew died, leaving Herbert alone to continue his work. He constructed a special suit of armor to protect him from Mount Onandagore's radiation and potential animal attacks. After developing

20:59 a strong mutagen isotope B, Herbert created a race of animal human hybrids, which he called the New Men or Animen. He taught them a chivalrous code of ethics, making the Animen the guards of his One Dagore base known as the Knights of Onandagore. Over time, he started going by the high evolutionary and became compelled to attempt his experiments on humans. He kidnapped two infant twins that were born on Mount one Dagore and evolved them into human mutates, not unlike mutants that acquire their powers naturally. These kids were Pietro and Wanda Maxima, who would become the heroes called Quicksilver and the Scarlet Witch, and you can learn more about them in their respective duels against the Flash and Zatanna.

21:42 Herbert then developed Isotope C and evolved a wolf human hybrid into a savagely strong being called Man Beast. Emboldened by his progress, Herbert continued his work and created Isotope D and began experimenting on himself. He evolved his own form repeatedly at the highest point, becoming a powerful disembodied intelligence, leaving Mount Windagore and ascending into the cosmos, where he acquired several of the Infinity Gems. After a time, however, the Knights of Windegoor called him back home to restrain Man Beast. Herbert devolved himself back into his human form, internalizing his power so that he could evolve or devolve other life at will. Back on Earth, Herbert decided to carry out his grandest experiment yet, the creation and evolution of life on a planetary scale. Herbert used the Infinity Gems he acquired while out in space to construct counter Earth within Earth's orbit on the opposite side of the sun. Though Herbert wanted to create a world without the corruption of evil, Man Beast added his own evil influence during the world building process. Around this time, Herbert also came into the possession of a cocoon containing the artificially created being at a Warlock. He gifted Adam the Soul Gem and tasted with protecting counter Earth from Man Beast and other threats. You can learn more about Adam Morlock in his dual episode against Mister Miracle. Eventually, however, counter Earth was stolen from its orbit by the omnipotent beings known as the Beyonders,

23:14 whom you can learn more about in our Doctor Manhattan versus Molecule Manduel episode. Herbert pursued the thieves, but retreated when he became aware of how unfathomably advanced the Beyonders were. Distraught, he dedicated himself to a new goal of evolving humanity. To rival the might of the Beyonders, he recruited agents to travel the globe to identify and sterilize those people deemed genetically unfit to advanced human evolution via reproduction. The Avengers were able to stop him, however, by trapping him in his genesis chamber, which evolved Herbert beyond a point he had ever existed before, beyond that of a god, beyond existence itself. Herbert was no more. His essence was later harvested by a group of cosmic deities known as Celestials, who reverted Herbert back to his depowered humanoid form. Back at mal Onondagore on Earth, he went to war with the mutant race, who considered his experiments an affront to natural evolution. He fled to the Savage Land in Antarctica, where he developed Isotopee, his most powerful yet unstable mutagenic serum.

24:18 Yet using it on himself, Herbert began evolving and devolving from a hyperintelligent entity to a Neanderthal and back, and was only able to control himself be a regular exposure to his serum. After the Decimation event, when the Scarlet Witch used her reality warping ability to depower most of the world's mutants, the Magneto was rendered human. Desperate, he fled to Herbert, who created a machine that would grant Magneto his powers again. You can learn more about Magneto in our Senestro versus Magneto dual episode Herbert then returned to space, when he worked on resurrecting the alien Cree genome. There, he assisted Adam Warlock and the Guardians of the Galaxy in their fight against Ultron and the technoparasitic alien race called the Failings. Later, he partnered with the Eternals, who believed the Celestials were going to soon judge humanity, and Herbert created a gene bomb to cleanse the Earth. However, it turned out that Zurus, the head Eternal, had been lying, and Herbert's bomb was stopped. Herbert returned to a now restored counter Earth, where he wiped out all life to begin anew seeking to build the perfect society. With every flaw he would notice, he would wipe out life again and start over, though eventually the Avengers stopped his genocidal habit. During the fight, Herbert's mask was cracked and underneath was revealed a deformed visage, a chimera of multiple animal faces. After a failed attempt to crash counter Earth into Earth, Herbert was vaporized by the Avengers into an unknown

25:51 dimension. However, the Knights of Onondagore were able to develop a machine to bring him back, and that's his backstory. That's interesting. How like when his cracked, it showed like this deformed face kind of like in the movie, but instead of like a hybrid face, it was just freaking no skin face, right, Yeah in the movie. Yeah, nice adaptation there. Yeah. Powers wise, the High Evolutionary granted himself superhuman abilities via self experimentation and evolution. Though he has at times evolved to deity like might at a level to confront Galactus, more often than not he's below that power level. Commonly, he wields superhuman strength, able to wield several tons at minimum and go up from there. Within his indestructible armor, he houses the tech to evolve or devolve himself and others. He can recover from almost any attack.

26:41 Once evolving himself after being smashed into protoplasmic goo back into humanoid form like an evolutionary healing factor. The High Evolutionaries exoskeleton suit can fire, can cuss of force blasts, and generate force shields. At higher levels of evolution, he develops psionic abilities, including telepathy, ast projection, and telekinesis. Down to the atomic level, he can teleport, and he can also adjust his own size and mass at all levels of evolution. Herbert is considered a genius, shifting from leading global expert at minimum to universal expert depending on his mind's evolutionary state, where he has always advanced in scientific fields ranging from biology, genetics, chemistry, physics, engineering, computing, and cybernetics. And that is the High Evolutionary. Is he a good fighter because I forgot to mention that Desparrow is a good fighter. No, High Evolutionary is not a good fighter.

27:34 He doesn't fight. That's not what he does. He's all about the brain. You think Desparrow would be as well, but I guess klein Or is a strong military planet. What do you think about the differences between the comic book version of the High Evolutionary and the movie version. I think the comic book history was interesting. I think James Gunn is a master of adapting complex comic book backstories on screen. Though yeah, it was a good adaptation, if not an entirely faithful one. And I think the biggest difference I noticed is that the movie version of The High Evolutionary was exceedingly evil, whereas the comic book version of The High Evolutionary seems a little bit more neutral in terms of his moral alignment. I mean, the guy is committing genocide at a planetary level. I don't know if that checks out that's true, but I think he doesn't in the comics less passionately. But now that we've got the characters histories and abilities out of the way, let's speculate on how one of the one thousand simulated matches will go. The winner is determined by simulations, not the speculation, but it's fun to imagine how this fight could play out. Alfred Jarvis nine thousand. What are the rules of our speculation?

28:38 Well, I should say there are no rules, other than the characters have no prior knowledge of the other going into the fight. All they are aware of starting out is that the other character is a threat that needs to be eliminated. For the speculation, the contestants will begin approximately fifty meters apart in a nondescript environment that will have no bearing on the match itself, as no environmental statistics are considered in my simulations. The contestants must earn victory on their own merit. All right, then let's get into it. Desparrow and the high Evolutionary meet on the battlefield. Who goes first I'm going to say that, since Desparrow is a very militant and rage field character, that he'll go first. And yeah, he's gonna start by shooting like a fiery mental energy beam from his third eye at the high evolutionary, like making him feel this crippling pain. No, no, no, because the high evolutionary has like these vast mental defenses. So like the minute that high evolutionary feels Desparrow invade his mind with this telepathic attack, he's gonna block it off with psionic shielding.

29:45 So no more psychic attacks from Desparrow. So you should be an easy match. You think Desparrow can be stopped by psionic shielding, Like he goes up against the most powerful telepaths in DC, like Martian Manhunter on the rags, so does I evolutionary. Like if he can shut out Moondragon drags his daughter from his brain, he can shut out Despero. So okay, whoever the fucking moon Dragon is. I literally just said she has drags his daughter whatever, I guess this is a telekinetic match. Then all right, So as soon as like Despero senses that he can no longer access the high Evolutionary's mind. He's going to telekinetically yank him towards himself, grabbing High Evolutionary by the face and just like crushing his helmet and skull in his massive grasp.

30:30 Okay, all right, but so instead of High Evolutionary's skull caving in, his head actually grows larger because Highvolutionary is gonna make himself tall, about like five stories tall. And so now he's the one holding Despero in his grasp like an action figure type thing, and he's just gonna just casually without any emotion, just like rip off one of Despero's arms, just let it drop, right. Is he strong enough to do that? Yeah, for sure, Like he can evolve his strength to help him go up against heavy hitters like Hulk or Thor. So that's not how evolution works, I think sure it is. Actually Okay, well, Desparrow has his arm ripped off.

31:11 He's super pissed. He's gonna blast High Evolutionary's hand with his fire breath. That's going to cause him to drop Desparrow and from the ground. Desparrow is going to slam High Evolutionary his whole body with a telekinetic blast, causing him to like topple backward and fall. And I'm gonna say that, like Desparrow is just so rage field right now that he's going to focus all of his mental energy into rapidly regenerating his missing arm into this burly tentacle, and he's going to wrap it around the High Evolutionary's giant ankle while he's on the ground and with the giant High Evolutionary in his clutches, Desparrow is going to spin around and just hammer toss High Evolutionary into the horizon. Okay, but High Evolutionary can teleport when he's evolved enough to manipulate matter, you know, he can shunt his own mass, So he teleports right back to within sight of Desparrow. And at that point, he fires his own telekinetic blast at Desparow and he traps him in this like force field like tractor beam type thing, and he just telekinetically knocks Desparrow all around the battlefield like into the ground, slamming him and dragging him across the floor until like Desparrow's body forms a ditch in the ground with his dumb mohawk head just basically fucking Desparrow up. Dude, High evolutionary also has a mohawk. I'm not dissing the mohawk. I'm just saying Desparrow as a dumb mohawk, Okay, I only diss it as inferior to high evolutionaries mohawk. Oh, okay, which is like a handlebar.

32:40 It's weird, But yeah, I'm gonna say that, like, after a few slams Desperow, he's just going to create his own telekinetic shield against like what he's being slammed into, and from there he's just going to start countering high evolutionaries telekinetic grasp. So the two, you know, they're probably gonna end up with some sort of telekinetic tug of war. Oh interesting, Okay, But if there's stalemating like this, then a high evolutionary is just gonna evolve himself up a level so that his telekinesis is even more powerful. And at that point he has telekinetic control down at the atomic level, and with that, he's just going to telekinetically de atomize Desparrow. Band match over high evolutionary's power is such bullshit. You can't just be like, oh, I out evolve you sure you cann't like what he does. You can't level up telekinesis what I don't know. Whatever Desperrow. You know, his body may be gone like deatomize, like you said, but his mind is not with the high evolutionary believing that he's won this match. His mental shielding is going to be down that you mentioned earlier, and Desperow's disembodied mind is just going to possess the higher evolutionary and to over reforming his body into an evolved version of his own. Matches really over. Now, you don't think the high evolutionary would be able to perceive this invading consciousness like he'd be able to

34:13 put up a struggle to keep Desparrow from taking over. So I say that the fight actually goes onto the astral plane, you know, where you have these two disembodied consciousnesses telepathically wrestling against each other for control. But the thing is high Evolutionary can devolve Desparow's mental state, so that's what he does, and Desparow's mind is going to revert into like whatever primitive animal that his race was before the nuclear reaction explosion thing on his planet. So basically, Desperow has the mind of a chimpanzee and Therefore, High Evolutionary could just psychically erase him from existence, and he's going to retain control of his body and win the match. Dude, I said, his mental guards were down, like Desparrow has torn apart the minds of cosmic beings like the Firestorm matrix. There's no way High Evolutionary is going to see Desperow's mental invasion in time. I say, Despero takes over High Evolutionary and uses his power to evolve himself into his flame of Patar reality warping state, and he's essentially leaving this match as a god. No, he's leaving it as a dead chimp chase, that's said. I disagree. Well, we can go ahead and leave the match there either a high evolutionary wins control of his own body and devolves Desperow's mind, or Desperow wins control over High Evolutionary's body and evolves himself into a god.

35:39 Let's go ahead and and put their stats, run the simulations, and find out who comes out on top. A J nine K take it away in putting data, running calculations, processing results, simulations complete. That was pretty interesting. I had no idea how that match was going to go. I just knew that it was going to get weird, and it definitely did that. Yeah, honestly, that went more interesting than I thought it was going to, for sure, given that I didn't really know much about Desperow and I didn't know much about High Evolutionary, But it worked out. Both of these characters are really really powerful, and they even doubt in quite a few stack categories such as speed and durability, which actually surprised me because Desperow, I would say, is much more physical than High Evolutionary from the outset.

36:23 Well, your perception of High Evolutionary is probably from the movie, but what the movie didn't give him was his exoskeleton from the comics, which is very impressive. Desperow was more impressive than High Evolutionary and quite a few of his physical stats like strength and fighting skill. High Evolutionary sucked when it comes to fighting skill, but we did say High Evolutionary is smarter and more versatile considering his wide array of powers as he evolves himself. Yeah, Despero can kind of evolve himself, but he has to essentially die first, and definitely not to the level of the High Evolutionary, So the versatility stat makes sense. We did say that they were equal when it came to perception and range, considering they're both very powerful telepaths and telekinetics, and their destructive potentials were both off the charts. I didn't give High Evolutionary like his max destructive potential where he can like destroy a planet like he does on Counter Earth, mainly because he does require the use of technology and outside machinery to do that, and I didn't believe he would necessarily have that on hand at will for this match. Okay, Well, after breaking down the stats, Joseph, who do you think came out on top High Evolutionary Desperow's going down. I think it's going to be funny because I feel like a lot of people thought that Desparrow was going to win this. How confident are you? You know, fairly confident? I guess about as high as our Instagram polltakers, sixty four percent of whom thought that the High Evolutionary would win. Of course they did.

37:51 Of course they did because they just saw the movie and they're like, yeah, High Evolutionary, he's on top of mine. I'm going to choose him. Well, maybe DC needs to like make more movies and get characters out there more. You know, you can't blame Marvel for being more popular. I can, and I do. But let's find out who won a J nine thousand the results, please, Hey, Yussa, the winner of the matchup between Desparrow and High Evolutionary is Despero bullshit bullshit not bullshit. But let me give you the win rates. Desparrow one fifty point two percent of the one thousand matches compared to High Evolutionary, who won forty nine point eight.

38:35 This was a coin toss, so if it's a coin toss, what you're saying is High Evolutionary also one, maybe with a different coin toss, not this coin toss. High Evolutionary lost this one, which is surprising honestly, because there's quite a few stats where High Evolutionary is maxed out. On the stats where Desparo isn't, namely versatility and intellect, Desparrow is maxed strength, whereas High Evolutionary is not. But I think the real kicker came down to fighting. Well, it looks like then High Evolutionary needs to take some taekwondo classes and then he'll have the advantage here. Yeah, why can't he evolve some bostash skills or something. What a loser because hand to hand combat is beneath him. That's why, well, custom this match so sucks for him. I mean barely barely. Come on. I think that's the closest match of the year so far. It's been a while since we've had a match this close that was essentially fifty fifty. Yeah, I think you're right.

39:30 Even though High Evolutionary didn't win, I'm really glad that the match was that close. That way, it'll shut up all of the the DC Desparrow fans out there. Why would it shut me up? Dude? This is awesome. I am like super happy. No way, I'm shutting up about Desparrow's whin. You're gonna be hearing about this all week. Come on? Oh, I mean, I just I just feel like a lot of DC fans tend to never read Marvel, and so they just underestimate a lot of the Marvel characters, like High Evolutionary. Dude. From my experience, it's the Marvel guys who never read DC. That's why they're known as Marvel zombies and have been since the eighties or even longer. They only read Marvel. Do you see guys read Marvel stuff. Yeah, because they're fans. No, because there've been trying to make Marvel fans don't read books. They watch movies. Well maybe if DC movies were good, people would watch those two, you know. Yeah, don't be so bought her at your loss?

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