Queen Bee vs Spider-Woman

0:22 Hi, Welcome to the Dynamic Dual podcast, a weekly show where we review superhero films and debate the superiority between Marvel and DC by comparing to their characters and stat based battle simulations. I'm Johnny DC and I'm his twin brother Marvelous Joe, and this episode we are doing a duel between the DC Justice League villain Queen Bee and the Spider powered Avenger Spider Woman. Yeah. This is in lead up to next week's episode where we're going to review Spider Man Across the Spider Verse, which features Spider Woman as one of the characters in that animated movie. Yeah. Full disclosure, Joseph may Or may not be here for that review. His wife Arianna is pregnant and about to pop any day now. Yes, super pregnant, Spider pregnant. It's Marvel yea Spider pregnant, just like Jessica Drew Spider Woman. Hey, there you go, nice tie in, perfect timing. So we hope that you guys could bear with us for these next few months. Things might get a little bit weird, but the show is still going to go strong. Before we get into the main event, we're going to talk about the comic book movie news to happen in the past week, of which there wasn't much. With an ongoing writers strike, there's not going to be a whole ton of news to come out in these coming months, except for maybe like a Superman casting announcement. We did hear that The Thunderbolts has been delayed because of the writer's strike, but there's not much else to say besides that. We will be talking about The Flash's final trailer, which is kind of interesting to talk about considering Joseph and I have already seen the Flash movie. Yeah, so we're going to be

1:53 discussing this trailer knowing all the context of what happens in the film, but we'll try our best not to kind of reveal anything. As always, we list our segment times in our episode description, so feel free to check out the show notes if you want to skip ahead to a particular topic. And those who have listened to our recent episodes will know that our dual simulator has become so advanced that it's gained sentience, and it's named itself the artificial life form for running extensive duels, just a rather very intelligent simulator nine thousand or Alfred Jarvis nine thousand. He has a quick message for our listeners, so let's hear it. Why hello there. Do you love listening and chatting about Marvel and DC. Then become a part of the Dynamic Dual community on Patreon, where you can choose from three tiers. The Dynamic two O tier lets you listen to this podcast without ads and gives you access to its discord chat group where you can chat with Johnny DC and Marvelous Joe. The Fantastic four tier gives you that and more with two bonus episodes each month, including bloopers and Top ten shows where Johnny and Joe count down your favorite Marvel and DC subjects. The x Force tier makes you an executive producer of Dynamic Duel, where every month you help the host choose what to review and who to fight against each other. And finally, the Dynamite podcast networked here allows aspiring podcasters to create their own battle focus show using this Monte Carlo simulator. Johnny and Joe will help you develop your show, provide graphic support and consultation, and get you simulation results to announce on your show. Pitch the Twins your show via email at Dynamic Duel Podcast at gmail dot com or by reaching out to

3:25 them on social media. Check it out at patreon dot com, Slash Dynamic Duel Pit, pip Cheerio. Thanks he J ninek and thanks to everyone who supports the podcast. Don't forget to check out the Max Destruction podcast or stood by the executive producer of this show, Ken Johnson. Yeah, he has three episodes out right now which you can listen to and find out who would win in a fight between Dutch from Predator versus Rambo, William Wallace Braveheart versus Maximus from Gladiator, and the Crow versus Dean Winchester from Supernatural. And if you're tomorrow you'll find out who will win in a fight between James Bond and Jason Bourne. A lot of great stuff there. Be sure to check it out. Ken show is a blast and he uses the same Monte Carlo simulator that we use on this show. Both that out of the way quick to the No Prize and no Prize is an award Marvel used to give out to fans our version, the Dynamic Dual. No Prize is a digital award we post on Instagram and in our email newsletter for the person that we feel gave the best answer to our question of the week. Last week's question was what character are you most excited to see in Captain America New World Order and why?

4:34 And this is coming off of the set photo leaks that revealed a bunch of characters that are going to be in the new Captain American movie, including unannounced characters like the Serpent Society. We got about three answers. One of the answers, for some reason, didn't come through due to a technical glitch, it seems like. But let's go ahead and run down the two honorable mentions and the no prize winner. Our first honorable mention goes to Bobby Kirby, who said, Hi, guys, I'm Bobby Kirby, and I think that I would like to see more of Sam Wilson's Captain America because we just saw him for a brief moment as Captain America and the Falcon and the Winter Soldier, and then I went and I read, you know, symbol of Truth, So I think and that was like great. So I think if we see some more of him and to get some more character development, that would be awesome. All right, bye? Yeah, I mean we've gotten a lot of character development for Sam Wilson in the Marvel Cinematic Universe as played by Anthony Banky. But Bobby's right, we only got to see him with the Captain America mantle for the last episode of that season, so it'll be really nice to see more of the character in his own movie with this New World Order film, which I'm sure we'll get a lot of. Yeah, I can't see that. Captain America is the character I'm most looking forward to, just because I have seen him already, but just based on what we did see in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier television show, I'm sure what we're going to see is going to be a pretty badass. Thanks Bobby for calling in. Our next honorable mention goes to Lizzie Dyer Arney, who said,

6:06 Hey, it's Lizzie. I really hope that Eli Bradley aka Patriot makes an appearance in Captain America New World Order. For those that don't know, Patriot was Captain America Steve Roger's sidekick in the mid two thousands. He's also a member of the Young Avengers. His grandfather, Isaiah Bradley, was the first black Captain America. He was experimented on with Super Soldier serum during World War Two. They made an appearance in Falcon and the Winter Soldier. He would be a great sidekick for Sam Wilson, and I guess that's amount of time. Yeah. I mean, with the way that Kevin Figi and the MCU has been pushing the Young Avengers in several of their projects recently, I'd be surprised if we didn't see Eli Bradley in this film, and maybe even Hulkling. Yeah, that's possible. I mean, as Lizzie said, we did get to see a little bit of Eli in The Falcon and the Winter Soldier television show played by Elijah Richardson, and the characters great. He's a fantastic character. You can learn more about him in our dual episode where we pit Patriot against Robin. That was a fun episode. We do know that Sam Wilson's sidekick in the new movie is going to be lackin Torres the New Falcon played by Danny Ramirez. I'm not sure if there's enough room for two sidekicks for Sam Wilson, But if Eli Radley doesn't make an appearance, that'll be upsetting. News for fans of the Young Avengers. Yeah, Captain Americo New World Orders seems like it's going to be a film that juggles a lot of characters already. But maybe Eli could appear in an end credit scene or something like that. That'd be cool. That would be really cool. Great answer, Lizzie, thanks for calling in. But the winner of this week's

7:39 no prize is Christopher Manati, who said, Hi, guys, Christopher Manadi. I am most excited to see what they do with The Leader in this The Leader is a great and interesting character, and I like the idea of him going up against Captain America. There's a few different ways that they could play this character out, and I'm interested to what they do with him. The actor Tim Blake Nelson has been in a few superhero movies in the past, so hopefully he can pull this part off and do a good job. Yeah, Tim Blake Nilson as Samuel Stearns, the Leader. His appearance actually pre dates any appearance by Anthony Mackie's Sam Wilson in the MCU. It's been a long time coming to see the Leader again in one of these Marvel movies since two thousand and eights. The incredible Hulk film. Yeah, over a decade, that's insane. I'm really glad we finally get to tie up this loose end with this movie, and it's definitely the character I'm most looking forward to seeing in Captain America New World Order as well. Yeah, I just really liked Tim Blake Nelson as an actor. He has been in multiple superhero projects, including the Fanta four stick movie which came out in twenty fifteen.

8:46 We won't hold that against him because he was really good in the Watchman HBO television series as the character of looking Glass. Oh yeah, he was great in that, and I think he'll be a great leader. Really can't wait to see what they do with the character design and what his villainous plot will be in the movie. So congrats, Christopher Manati, you win this week's no Prize. If you the listener, want to shot at winning your own no Prize, stay tuned to later on in this episode when we'll be asking another question of the week. And now that that's done, odd to the news. All right, So, as we mentioned earlier, Joseph and I got the chance to see The Flash this past Monday at an early screening.

9:28 We got to see the movie before This latest final trailer came out for the film, and I got to say, it does a much better job of giving audiences ats of what the final film is going to be, because the final film is actually much more comedic than I thought it was going to be in they didn't really come across in the past trailers. There were a few bits of humor in those trailers, but this final trailer definitely showcases, I think, much more of the type of humor that's in the film. Yeah. What's nice about this final trailer too, is that it doesn't actually give away too much. There's still a whole lot of fun to be had within the film, So don't be afraid to watch these trailers because you're not really seeing too much. But yeah, I would designate the Flash Movie as a comedy first and action movie second, even though the action is great. The action is incredible, even though it's a little cgi heavy. The version of the film that we got the chance to see it was not the final version of the film. It was missing the end credits scenes as well as the end credits in general. And I'm really hoping that the version we saw did not have final special effects because they weren't great, and I'm expecting better in the final theatrical cut. It was still a fun movie though. I just want to say, even as a Marvel fan, I had a lot of fun with the Flash movie. So if you're on the fence about seeing it, definitely see it. It is Ezra Miller's version of Barry Ellen, but it's still a fun version. Yeah, lover hate the actor Ezra. I definitely pulled off the role. And for anyone wondering, this is very much a flash film. Even though you know Michael Keaton's Batman appears in the movie

11:03 and is a big reason for why a lot of people I think are interested in seeing this movie. There wasn't as much Michael Keaton in this trailer as there were in past trailers. I think this one really focuses on the flash a lot more, whereas in previous trailers Michael Keaton was used to really sell the movie, I think. But to me, that's a good thing. A flash movie should be about the flash first and foremost, and luckily the movie is the one thing I'm afraid is really going to off put people in this trailer is the younger version of Barry Ellen. The one with the longer hair who's like eighteen years old. He's pretty goofy in the trailer, and honestly, he's pretty goofy in the movie. He's definitely the film's comedic relief in a film that's pretty rife with comedy to begin with. The one scene that's in this trailer that was not in the movie, or at least the version that we saw was Kara saying are you ready? So I'm curious if that's going to be in the movie or if that was just an alternate scene that they included in this trailer. We of course also get some new shots about Ben Affleck's Batman, and that's an incredible action scene. Yeah, I can't wait to see that one again. The same thing goes for Supergirl's badassery, which we get a few shots of here as well. Yeah, we get to see a few scenes of her battling Zod in the film's like final battle, and at the conclusion of the trailer we get a great joke about uber Ezac, which also had people laughing in the theater. It was great.

12:18 Yeah, that's the end of the preview. It's really hard to talk about the trailer itself. Without talking about the movie, So just know that you should be hyped, guys. It is really good and we will of course be reviewing The Flash after the movie comes out in a few weeks. Yeah. I already have my tickets. Can't wait to see it again with my family. It's good times for sure. You know what My favorite thing about this trailer that wasn't in the movie though, was the music. Oh the song Time by Pink Floyd is a fucking jam and it plays really well into the themes of time travel in the movie. Some of the best superhero time traveling of all time is in this Flash film for sure, the best description of it as well. Yeah, but that brings us to our question of the week. What is your favorite time traveling Marvel or DC film or television show and why there's a ton of them out there. Like for Marvel, there's Deadpool two with Cable X Men Days a future past of course, obviously, Avenger's Endgame, like Doctor Strange had some time travel Loki, a bunch of great stuff for Marvel, And with DC you got films like Superman, the movie Teen Titans, Go to the movies, Legends of Tomorrow, the Flashpoint, paradox. Yeah, there you go, a lot of great options for you to choose from recording your answer at Dynamic Dual dot com by clicking on the red microphone button in the bottom right hand corner, which will prompt you to leave us a voicemail. Your message could be up to thirty seconds long, and don't forget to leave your name in case we include you on the podcast. We'll pick our favorite answer and award that person a Dynamic

13:50 Dual No prize that will post to Instagram and our email newsletter. Be sure to answer before May third. But that does it for the news for this week. Now let's move on to the main event where we find out who's going to win in a fight between Queen Bee and Spider Woman. Okay, Queen Bee versus Spider Woman. We knew that leading up to the Spider Man Across the Spider Verse film that we would want to do a tie end duel to that, and it turns out to one of the most popular characters that have yet to do a duel with is Spider Woman Jessica Drew, who is one of the characters in Across the Spider Verse. Yeah, the version of Jessica Drew that's going to be in the movie is Race Bent, and she's going to be voiced by Issa Ray. And the character is going to be pregnant in the movie, which hackns back to a popular storyline when she was one of the very few pregnant superheroins in Marvel comics. Looking at my wife, now, she's totally a superhero in my eyes, But I don't understand how any pregnant woman can actually fight crime with how hard it is physically on the body. Yeah. I get that my wife's been pregnant twice, and I would not want her to be fighting crime in that condition, right, right, right. But when I came to finding an opponent for Spider Woman, the executive producers and I agreed that the Justice League villain Queen Bee was

15:22 going to be a good matchup before the character. I wasn't there for that decision during that meeting. But I feel like you guys are confusing arachnids for insects. They're bugs. They're all bugs. Who cares? I think it's still going to be a good match. Yeah, well, let's get into it. To explain the methodology behind our duels. Let's go to our sentient dual simulator Alfred Jarvis nine thousand, AJ nine K tell her listeners how you go about determining a winner in our dual matchups? Yes, of course, sir. The way I determine a winner between the contestants is by running one thousand Monte Carlo simulations using the character's statistics. A Monte Carlo simulation is a probabilistic model used to determine outcomes through random sampling. In this case, I randomize the statistics along a normal distribution as a way to simulate the many variables that can occur during battle. The stat parameters are based on the official Marvel Power grid, from which the DC character's statistics are extrapolated. Additional stack categories are included, such as range, damage, potential, versatility, and perception in order to create a more detailed and accurate simulation. The results of the one thousand simulations provide a percentage of wins for each character. The contestant with the higher percentage is declared the victor, as they have a higher probability to win any given battle. In an equitable pairing, neither character should win one hundred percent of the matches. The comic book stories have shown that there's even a way for Batman to defeat Superman. So the confidence rate of my method falls in line with the precedents that have been established in the source material.

16:53 My mathematical simulations are without subjectivity or bias. Feats are not the sole consideration, nor a fan votes tabulated for determination of the winner. Thanks age nine K. Before we run the simulations, though, we like to break down each character's histories and abilities before improvising a scenario on how we imagine one of the one thousand simulations would play out. Bat for Beat and it is might turn to go first this episode with the Marvel character. So let me go ahead and tell you all about Jessica Drew. Spider Woman. Jessica Drew was born in nineteen twenty four in England to geneticis parents, Jonathan and Miriam Drew. When she was young, her family moved to Mount Wondagore in Transia, where Jessica's parents had inherited a plot of land where they could conduct illegal genetics experiments alongside Herbert Edgar Wyndham, the scientist who would later be known as the High Evolutionary, whom you can learn more about in our last dual episode to Sparrow versus the High Evolutionary. At age seven, Jessica became fatally ill from radiation sickness due to her exposure to the uranium deposits within Mount One Da Gore.

18:00 To save her life, her father injected her with an untested regeneration and immunity boosting serum made from the DNA of spiders, and the High Evolutionary used a genetic accelerator to speed up the effects. The healing process, however, took a very long time, and the scientists placed Jessica in suspended animation, where she aged very slowly until the treatments finally fully cured her decades later. Both of her parents died during her time in stasis. Now an adult woman in a new time with a very little life experience, Jessica left Mount One da Gore and worked as a barmaid in a nearby village. She fell in love with a young man, but accidentally killed him with a bioelectric blast when her powers first manifested, caused by the very experiments that saved her life.

18:48 Frightened by her abilities, she fled Transia and was discovered by the international terrorist organization called Hydra, who took her in and trained her in espionage and combat, hoping to turn her into one of their top spies. In her first field mission, Jessica was tasked with assassinating Nick Fury, the leader of the international law enforcement agency called Shield. Hesitant to carry out the attack, Jessica rebelled against Hydra and fled, returning to her home country of England to lay low and dyeing her hair black as a disguise. She came across a Shield agent as he was having a shootout with some criminals, and she helped him out by defeating the goons. Finding herself gifted at crime fighting and investigation, Jessica made her way to California, where she became a bounty hunter and private investigator. She made her way from fighting low level criminals such as the Brothers, Grimm and the Hangman, to the big leagues as she rescued Captain Marvel from the power draining then villainous Rogue, becoming acquainted with many women from the superhero community, such as Tigra. Jessica's friends saved her life after a battle with Morgan le Fay separated her soul from her body. The Avengers called the doctor Strange to help her, but the spell he cast left Jessica powerless for a time. She then moved to the Southeast Asian island of Matroport to work as a private investigator, and she crossed paths with the Heroes for Higher Team and the X Men member Wolverine. Eventually, over time, her powers slowly returned to her, though they were unstable and difficult for her to control.

20:22 She became a mentor to another woman with spider abilities named Mattie Franklin. After a while, Jessica returned to the United States, where she ran into another private investigator named Jessica Jones. After a brief skirmish where Jessica zapped Jessica Jones and Jessica Jones retaliated by slamming Jessica through a kitchen table, they eventually patched up their misunderstanding and worked together to stop a drug dealer selling commutant growth hormone. You can learn more about Jessica Jones in our Huntress versus Jessica Jones dual episode. In an effort to fix her fluctuating powers, Jessica struck a deal with her former organization Hydra, who had her joined Shield as a spy. However, Nick Fury knew of this, and Jessica became a double agent, secretly sending false intelligence back to Hydra. What they didn't know was that the shape shifting alien Scroll Queen Varanki had infiltrated Hydra and was the scientist curing Jessica's power instability. With her powers restored to normal, the Scroll Queen imprisoned Jessica, impersonating her and taking her place on the New Avengers team, where Jessica was recruited. Posing as Jessica, the Scroll Queen secretly launched a full on Scroll invasion, which required the full might of Earth's heroes to stop. Jessica finally joined the New Avengers and helped in their fight against Norman Osborne's Dark Avengers team. She then graciously accepted a position in the Sword Organization, which was an offshoot of Shield that specialized in alien threats. After battling Scrolls and Reteeming with the Avengers and becoming a mainstay there, Jessica was then recruited alongside various

21:55 other Spider powered people across the multiverse to fight and defeat the inheritors of Vampiric Race, who would feed off the animal totems of superpowered beings. She teamed up with the Hero Silk and Spider Man Noir to gather intelligence on the Master Weaver, who spun a web of fate and predicted the Spider Army would defeat the Inheritors. You can learn more about Spider Man in our Blue Beetle versus Spider Man dual episode back in her native dimension. After that adventure, Jessica quit the Avengers and became a private investigator again. She got pregnant via artificial insemination, but continued her detective agency. Towards the end of her pregnancy term, Captain Marvel directed her to a superhuman maternity ward run by the Alpha Flite superhero team. While there, Jessica learned the ward had been taken over by Scrolls, and she led the other moms in defeating the Aliens, fighting them while going through labor, getting an emergency C section in the process, and then finishing the aliens off. Jessica collapsed from the postoperative pain and nearly died, but she was rescued by Captain Marvel, whom you can learn more out in her dual matchup against Supergirl Conflicted on whether she should return to superheroics now that she was a mom to her son Jerry. She eventually determined that she could show him how to be a hero by example. Jessica began dating the reformed villain Porcupine, who had been her private investigation partner and part time babysitter.

23:18 He saved baby Jerry, who had learned how to crawl on walls and managed to crawl up the side of Jessica's apartment. One day after, Jessica assisted her friend Captain Marvel in her new role as an accuser in the Creascrawl Alliance, Jessica joined the Order of the Web, teaming up with her fellows Spider powered Heroes to prevent the clairvoyant Madam Webb's prediction that Peter Parker would be killed, and that's her history powers wise. Spiderwoman has a similar physiology to that of Spider Man, with enhanced strength, able to lift around seven tons, enhanced st agility, reflexes, durability, and the ability to stick to walls. Her body is completely immune to all manner of poisons and boxins, and she can emit pheromones that can elicit fear or attraction in the people around her. Though she doesn't have spider sense like Spider Man or accelerated vision like Spider Man twenty ninety nine, Spiderwoman's hearing is super accurate, helping make her both alert to danger and a talented investigator. Spiderwoman can emit short range blasts of bioelectricity called a venom blast, and she can use these to propel herself into the air for long leaps, and with the web glider built into the arms of her costume, she can glide for long distances. In addition, Spiderwoman is a trained spy detective and hand to hand combatant, so she doesn't swing from buildings. No, she doesn't shoot out webs. Okay. Interesting, it's a kind of neat how her origin ties into various elements that we've been seeing in recent Marble movies like Mount Wondergore, you know, from Doctor

24:51 Strange in the Multiverse of Madness and the High Evolutionary from Guardians the Galaxy Volume three. Yeah, it's quite timely this matchup. I know there's several versions of Spider Woman now, like Spider Gwen and Silk. I thought you were going to touch on them a little bit, but I guess they could be used in later battles. Yeah, I'd love to do a battle with Spider Gwen one day. Well, there's also been many versions of Queen Bee, but they all go by the name Queen Bee, like they don't have various names. The main one I'm going to touch on, though, is Queen's Zala, So let me get into her backstory. On the distant planet Coral, where a humanoid race evolved from insects, a brilliant and elderly scientist named per Kaz developed an elixir of immortality. Knowing he was far past his prime to take the elixir and wanting to ensure it was rewarded to the healthiest, smartest, and most courageous of his species, per Coz separated the formula into three different files and hid each one on the gaseous planet Somolar, a neighboring planet within Coral star system and where Perks eventually die. The winged Queen of Coral at the time was furious at Perkaz for not gifting her the elixir, and died trying to find the vials on Somolar, as did many queens after her. After centuries, the young Queen Zazalah decided to create an army of flying soldiers to scour the planet for her, though she first tested her army's strength by having them invade and loot to various other worlds, earning her the

26:21 name Queen Bean. The tenth and final planets for her test was Earth, and her drone army fell for the first time thanks to the might of the Justice League, which you can learn more about in our Justice League versus Avengers dual episode. Deciding to use the Justice League's powers to her advantage, Queen Zizala blackmail to the League into finding the vials of Immortality on Somolar for her lest she destroy Earth. Feeling as they had no choice but to help her, the League traveled to Somolar with Queen Bee and managed to find all three vials. Queen Zizala dumped the League back on Earth, only to discover that she had been tricked and that Green Lantern had used his ring to make the vials unopenable. You can learn more about Green Lantern in our Hall Jordan versus Nova episode. Returning to Coral, Queenszalah poured over per Caus's scientific notes and discovered that he had researched the green energy of the Green Lanterns. Using that research, Zzala was able to negate to Green Lanterns tampering and consume the elixir from the vials. A side effect of the elixir, however, was that it made Zizalah completely immobile, and she required help from the League an order to restore her mortality and mobility. Eventually, Zala discovered a way to remain immortal and mobile using magnetism, partnering with the magnetic supervillain at the Planeteer.

27:42 Though Superman was able to defeat both of them and Queensizala was banished to a space prison. Decades after the Crisis on Infinite Earth's event emerged the multiverse into one universe, Zzala the Queen Bee was reimagined without wings and with new ability. After accepting a partnership with Lex Luthor, who you can learn more about in our Lex Luthor versus Baron Zemo dual episode, Zzalah freed General Wade Isisling, now a villain known simply as the General from an asteroid prison. Together along with Prometheus, the four of them made up the Injustice Gang, with Zzalah promised a percentage of Earth's population to incorporate into her Drone Army once they took over the world. After enslaving much of New York City and rendering Green Lantern powerless, Zala nearly defeated the new god Big Barda in combat until Steele helped Barta banish Zzala and her drones back to the planet Coral when Steele realized that Zazala, like the bees of Earth, could not see the color red and used that against her. You can learn more about Big Barda and Steel in their respective dual episodes. Zzalah eventually made her way back to Earth with her Drone Army. She joined the Secret Society of Supervillains and became the leader of the international terror organization known as Hive, who were successful in capturing the hero Firestorm. The Secret Six, a team of anti heroes, however, were able to destroy the Hive base and Cizala was forced to flee badly wounded,

29:14 and she was later seen trying to steal a matter transporter Shag enough to teleport her entire Drone Army to Earth, though she was foiled by the Justice League once again. There have been a number of other villains in the comics to go by the name Queen Bee, including Zazala's sister Tazzala, who joined an intergalactic group known as the Terra Arcana Army, enemies of the Creature Commandos, Tazala's villain. His career was short lived, however, as she was killed by the Army's leader not long after joining. Other Queen Bees include Marcia Munroe, a love interest of Batman and a member of the criminals syndicate known as Cyclops, and two sisters queens of the fictional nation of Baialia. In post Flashpoint continuity, a new version of Queen Bee, also named as Zala, was introduced, this time known as the Hive Queen. She was one of twenty humans who were captured and experimented on by Brainiac, who you learn more about in our Brainiac Versus Ultron duel. Given vast psionic powers, the Hive Queen became entirely devoted to Brainiac and considered herself to be his daughter, with her goal being to enslave and prepare the earth for his return. She started the international crime organization known as Hive and began kidnapping powerful psychics such as Hector Hammond and psychopirates in order to enslave the citizens of Metropolis, but she was later defeated by Superman and seemingly died, though she came back after attempting to mind control ordinary citizens into building a satellite capable of amplifying her psychic powers.

30:48 The Hive Queen was defeated by the Team Titans. She was later defeated by Red Hood and the Outlaws after she attempted to set up Hive's headquarters in Gotham City, and she was defeated by Wonder Woman as well after mind controlling the Amazons to turn against the superhero. The original Queen Bee Zzala re emerged recently as a member of the Cabal, a villainous coalition intent on taking over the world that included a Mazo, doctor, Psycho, Hugo Strange, and per Digaeton. For this matchup, I will be using the Queen Bee version of Zezalah, whose abilities include superhuman strength and speed proportional to a human sized insect, as well as flight. Thanks to her corelean physiology, she can naturally control bees, and her body produces a hypnotic pollen that she can emit into the air and mind control anyone who breathes it in, making them her drone, or it could sap the will of those who make skin contact with it. She has mastered a unique, corelean fighting style that combines flying with kicks, and on her right wrist, she has a set of glass capable of projecting explosive, venomous stinger darts. And that's Queen Bee. I should say that Spiderwoman, when she was a member of shield Head psychic shielding technology implanted in her brain. I don't think like the Queen Bee of bees naturally mind controls them. I think it's more of an influenced thing. This version

32:20 of Queen Bee is not psychic. Okay, okay, Wait, and did you say that she can't see the color red? Yeah, dude, Spider Woman's costume is red. I don't know how this matchup is gonna work. She's not going to see her coming. She's going to see her gloves and her boots and the bottom part of her face and her hair and her abdomen coming. It's enough. That's enough. We'll see. These characters have a lot in common abilities wise, so it should be fun to see how this fight plays out. Yeah, Now, though we've got their histories and abilities out of the way, let's speculate on how one of the one thousand simulated matches will go. The winner is determined by simulations, not this speculation, but it's fun to imagine how this fight could play out for a Jarvis nine thousand. What are the rules of our speculation, Well, I should say there are no rules, other than the characters have no prior knowledge of the other going into the fight. All they are aware of starting out is that the other character is a threat that needs to be eliminated. For the speculation, the contestants will begin approximately fifty meters apart in a nondescript environment that will have no bearing on the match itself, as no environmental statistics are considered in my simulations. The contestants must earn victory on their own merit. All right, then let's get into it. Queen Bee and Spider Woman meet on the battlefield. Who goes first? Since it sounds like Spiderwoman's venom blasts are like short range, I'm going to say that Queen Bee starts off with a long grange attack from her stinger launcher on her wrist, which can fire these stingers out rapid fire like a gattling gun. So that's what she does. That's

33:52 like nothing a Spider Woman, and she's going to venom blast herself into the sky and glide over to Queen Bee, dodging all these stingers in midair before dropping down right onto her with the heel to Queen Bee's face. Okay, but like just before Spider Woman makes contact, Queen Bee is gonna like bring her palm to her lips and blows out a cloud of hypnotic pollen that Spider Woman's just gonna drop into, and now she's under Queen Bee's control. No, but I said earlier that Spiderwoman is immune to all poisons and toxins, so this hypnotic pollen is going to do jack squat against alien toxins. Toxins are toxins man, except one of their alien toxins. So maybe let's say the pollen affects Spider Woman, but not in the way it usually affects people, like it doesn't give Queen Bee control over her, but it does still connect Spider Woman to the hive mind. So Queen Bee knows what Spider Woman is gonna do next now like spider sins. Okay, well, Spider Woman's immune sytem is still gonna be working on that. But even if Queen Bee wanted to know what Spider Woman is going to do next, she all of a sudden just doesn't want to fight Spider Woman anyway, because like she's all of a sudden just really smitten with her due to Spider Woman's pheromones. So Queen Bee is like, damn, Spider Woman's fine, and and that's when she just gets be slapped right across the face. I mean, do huan pheromones even work on insect aliens? Yeah, man, pheromones or pheromones,

35:24 Yeah, except when they're not alien. What the fuck? Come on, you can't just because she's an alien. So her chemicals work, but Spider Woman's chemicals don't. Yeah. Sorry, So Queen Bee blocks the slap and is going to counter her by like bicycle kicking Spider Woman up into the air using her unique Bee style of fighting bicycle kick like like Luke King from Mortal Kombat. Exactly. Well, Spider Woman, after getting kicked a few times, she's just gonna ben a blast Queen Bee to get her away from her. So Queen Bee gets electrocuted. No, because Queen Bee actually sees this coming since Spiderwoman is still part of the Hive Mind, and she's just gonna hurl Spider Woman down to the ground before she could get tagged by that venom blast. I'm gonna say, boy, at this point, like Spiderwoman's accelerated immune system has developed an immunity to the pollen toxin, So that's going to remove her from the Hive mind. Okay, So Queen Bee can no longer anticipate Spider Woman's actions anymore, so she totally does not see it when Spider Woman straight up lightning uppercuts her out of the sky with this electric punch that could take out a rhino. So Queen Bee is like bo and she crashes into the ground, just stunned. Okay, all right, so Queen Bee, she's dazed, but I'm gonna say she's just conscious enough to someone like a massive swarm of bees to do her fighting for her, and she commands them to attack Spiderwoman as she gets her bearings, and Spiderwoman, you know, she's gonna be covered in bees, all up in her hair and in

36:58 her suit, and she's like fucking bee like Nicholas Cage and the wicker many. Yeah, but but but like bees are not going to do anything to Spider Woman, She's gonna just treat them like an electric bug zapper wood. So like all these bees are all over her, but she's going to send out a small burst of bioelectricity and they just all fall dead to the ground, You bastard. These bees pollinate well, I mean, Spider Woman will be sure to get some flowers and place among Queen Bee's grave, because she's gonna swoop down onto Queen Bee and she's gonna stick her hand on her head and she's gonna hold it there using her wall sticking ability so that Queen Bee can't knock her away. And with her hand clamps down on her head, she's just gonna fry her brain freaking electrocuting Queen Bee to death. WHOA Okay, But like I'm gonna say, the electricity surging through Queen Bee's body is going to cause an involuntary response in her wrist glands. That rapid fire explosive darts right into Spider Woman at point blank, so she gets blown up to bits. Well, Queen Bee remains largely intact. So I say, Queen Bee is the ultimate winner here, How does that make sense if the darts are explosive and she does it at close range, Like, wouldn't that affect Queen Bee? Like what didn't she get the brunt of the explosive as well?

38:17 No, because like at that close range, the stingers they're actually just gonna go into Spiderwoman and explode her from within. That's crazy. I don't understand why Queen Bee has explosive stingers anyway, Like that doesn't make sense, like be wise, Okay, I'm sorry, it's not on theme enough for you. We could go ahead and leave the match there, either Spider Woman fries Queen Bee's brain or Queen Bee explodes Spiderwoman from within with her explosive stingers. Let's go ahead and put the stats on these characters, run a thousand simulations, and come back with a winner in putting data, running calculations, processing results, simulations complete. Okay, it sounds like we need to do this quick because you need to get to the hospital soon, So let's run through this. They were actually very close stat wise when it came to evasiveness, durability, strength, damage level, even fighting skill, and perception.

39:12 They equalled out. I didn't think it was going to be that close. Yeah, I know that you were hesitant to give Spiderwoman the same stat as Queen Bee in terms of fighting, because Queen Bee is a very specialized fighter, but Spiderwoman is very well trained in fighting, getting training from both Hydra and Shield, so she's pretty adept. The one thing that Spiderwoman had over Queen Bee was intellect, being an incredible detective, and even that I was hesitant on because you know, Queen Bee is the leader of an entire planet, in an entire army, like she basically controls all of them. There's not much, you know, in the way of leadership there. That's that's what you pointed out, And I couldn't really find any like intellect feats for her as well, So I conceded that category where Queen Bee came out ahead of Spiderwoman was movement speed, since she can fly, whereas Spiderwoman could essentially just fall with style she glides. Yeah, but also Queen Bee has greater range. You know, Spider Woman can shoot out her bioelectricity, but it's not really a long range weapon. It's like medium range, right, And all of the categories that each one came out ahead in wasn't fighting much, so this is definitely going to be a close match. I feel yeah.

40:27 I still think Spider Woman's gonna window and our Instagram polltakers agree with me. Seventy one percent of them thought that Jessica Drew is going to come out on top. And let's see if they're right. Because the winner of this week's matchup between Queen Bee and Spider Woman is Queen Bee. She won five hundred forty six matches out of one thousand or a Spiderwoman only one four hundred and fifty four, so it was fifty four point six percent over forty five point four percent In the end, even though Spiderwoman was smarter, it was the speed and range stats that got her. Queenby is just too fast and has too many long range attacks. Take that Instagram Marvel fanboys, they'll say that to them. There's more of them out there and they will beat the shit out of you. Just remember that, always remember that they have to find me first. But that isn't for this dual. Guys, let us know what you thought about the results by writing to us at Dynamic Dual Podcast at gmail dot com, or by visiting us on Instagram or Twitter. You can find links to all of our accounts by checking out our show notes or visiting our website Dynamic duel dot com. And on our site, you could also find a link to our Patreon page, where you can join our Dynamic two O tier and chat with us and fellow listeners. Are Fantastic four tier, which gets you bonus content to each month, our x Force tier that makes you an executive producer of this podcast, or our newest tier that lets you join our Dynamite podcast network. If you can't join Patreon, you could still support the show by signing up for our e newsletter also at Dynamic duel dot com. Or you can also write the show on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, pod Chaser, or on our website. In our next episodisode, we will

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