Queen Bee vs Spider-Woman

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Hi, Welcome to the Dynamic Dual
podcast, a weekly show where we review

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superhero films and debate the superiority between
Marvel and DC by comparing to their characters

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and stat based battle simulations. I'm
Johnny DC and I'm his twin brother Marvelous

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Joe, and this episode we are
doing a duel between the DC Justice League

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villain Queen Bee and the Spider powered
Avenger Spider Woman. Yeah. This is

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in lead up to next week's episode
where we're going to review Spider Man Across

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the Spider Verse, which features Spider
Woman as one of the characters in that

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animated movie. Yeah. Full disclosure, Joseph may Or may not be here

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for that review. His wife Arianna
is pregnant and about to pop any day

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now. Yes, super pregnant,
Spider pregnant. It's Marvel yea Spider pregnant,

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just like Jessica Drew Spider Woman.
Hey, there you go, nice

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tie in, perfect timing. So
we hope that you guys could bear with

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us for these next few months.
Things might get a little bit weird,

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but the show is still going to
go strong. Before we get into the

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main event, we're going to talk
about the comic book movie news to happen

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in the past week, of which
there wasn't much. With an ongoing writers

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strike, there's not going to be
a whole ton of news to come out

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in these coming months, except for
maybe like a Superman casting announcement. We

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did hear that The Thunderbolts has been
delayed because of the writer's strike, but

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there's not much else to say besides
that. We will be talking about The

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Flash's final trailer, which is kind
of interesting to talk about considering Joseph and

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I have already seen the Flash movie. Yeah, so we're going to be

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discussing this trailer knowing all the context
of what happens in the film, but

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we'll try our best not to kind
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the No Prize and no Prize is
an award Marvel used to give out to

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fans our version, the Dynamic Dual. No Prize is a digital award we

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post on Instagram and in our email
newsletter for the person that we feel gave

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the best answer to our question of
the week. Last week's question was what

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character are you most excited to see
in Captain America New World Order and why?

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And this is coming off of the
set photo leaks that revealed a bunch

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of characters that are going to be
in the new Captain American movie, including

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unannounced characters like the Serpent Society.
We got about three answers. One of

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the answers, for some reason,
didn't come through due to a technical glitch,

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it seems like. But let's go
ahead and run down the two honorable

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mentions and the no prize winner.
Our first honorable mention goes to Bobby Kirby,

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who said, Hi, guys,
I'm Bobby Kirby, and I think

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that I would like to see more
of Sam Wilson's Captain America because we just

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saw him for a brief moment as
Captain America and the Falcon and the Winter

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Soldier, and then I went and
I read, you know, symbol of

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Truth, So I think and that
was like great. So I think if

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we see some more of him and
to get some more character development, that

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would be awesome. All right,
bye? Yeah, I mean we've gotten

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a lot of character development for Sam
Wilson in the Marvel Cinematic Universe as played

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by Anthony Banky. But Bobby's right, we only got to see him with

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the Captain America mantle for the last
episode of that season, so it'll be

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really nice to see more of the
character in his own movie with this New

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World Order film, which I'm sure
we'll get a lot of. Yeah,

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I can't see that. Captain America
is the character I'm most looking forward to,

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just because I have seen him already, but just based on what we

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did see in The Falcon and the
Winter Soldier television show, I'm sure what

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we're going to see is going to
be a pretty badass. Thanks Bobby for

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calling in. Our next honorable mention
goes to Lizzie Dyer Arney, who said,

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Hey, it's Lizzie. I really
hope that Eli Bradley aka Patriot makes

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an appearance in Captain America New World
Order. For those that don't know,

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Patriot was Captain America Steve Roger's sidekick
in the mid two thousands. He's also

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a member of the Young Avengers.
His grandfather, Isaiah Bradley, was the

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first black Captain America. He was
experimented on with Super Soldier serum during World

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War Two. They made an appearance
in Falcon and the Winter Soldier. He

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would be a great sidekick for Sam
Wilson, and I guess that's amount of

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time. Yeah. I mean,
with the way that Kevin Figi and the

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MCU has been pushing the Young Avengers
in several of their projects recently, I'd

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be surprised if we didn't see Eli
Bradley in this film, and maybe even

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Hulkling. Yeah, that's possible.
I mean, as Lizzie said, we

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did get to see a little bit
of Eli in The Falcon and the Winter

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Soldier television show played by Elijah Richardson, and the characters great. He's a

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fantastic character. You can learn more
about him in our dual episode where we

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pit Patriot against Robin. That was
a fun episode. We do know that

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Sam Wilson's sidekick in the new movie
is going to be lackin Torres the New

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Falcon played by Danny Ramirez. I'm
not sure if there's enough room for two

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sidekicks for Sam Wilson, But if
Eli Radley doesn't make an appearance, that'll

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be upsetting. News for fans of
the Young Avengers. Yeah, Captain Americo

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New World Orders seems like it's going
to be a film that juggles a lot

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of characters already. But maybe Eli
could appear in an end credit scene or

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something like that. That'd be cool. That would be really cool. Great

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answer, Lizzie, thanks for calling
in. But the winner of this week's

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no prize is Christopher Manati, who
said, Hi, guys, Christopher Manadi.

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I am most excited to see what
they do with The Leader in this

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The Leader is a great and interesting
character, and I like the idea of

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him going up against Captain America.
There's a few different ways that they could

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play this character out, and I'm
interested to what they do with him.

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The actor Tim Blake Nelson has been
in a few superhero movies in the past,

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so hopefully he can pull this part
off and do a good job.

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Yeah, Tim Blake Nilson as Samuel
Stearns, the Leader. His appearance actually

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pre dates any appearance by Anthony Mackie's
Sam Wilson in the MCU. It's been

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a long time coming to see the
Leader again in one of these Marvel movies

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since two thousand and eights. The
incredible Hulk film. Yeah, over a

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decade, that's insane. I'm really
glad we finally get to tie up this

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loose end with this movie, and
it's definitely the character I'm most looking forward

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to seeing in Captain America New World
Order as well. Yeah, I just

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really liked Tim Blake Nelson as an
actor. He has been in multiple superhero

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projects, including the Fanta four stick
movie which came out in twenty fifteen.

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We won't hold that against him because
he was really good in the Watchman HBO

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television series as the character of looking
Glass. Oh yeah, he was great

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in that, and I think he'll
be a great leader. Really can't wait

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to see what they do with the
character design and what his villainous plot will

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be in the movie. So congrats, Christopher Manati, you win this week's

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no Prize. If you the listener, want to shot at winning your own

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no Prize, stay tuned to later
on in this episode when we'll be asking

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another question of the week. And
now that that's done, odd to the

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news. All right, So,
as we mentioned earlier, Joseph and I

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got the chance to see The Flash
this past Monday at an early screening.

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We got to see the movie before
This latest final trailer came out for the

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film, and I got to say, it does a much better job of

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giving audiences ats of what the final
film is going to be, because the

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final film is actually much more comedic
than I thought it was going to be

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in they didn't really come across in
the past trailers. There were a few

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bits of humor in those trailers,
but this final trailer definitely showcases, I

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think, much more of the type
of humor that's in the film. Yeah.

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What's nice about this final trailer too, is that it doesn't actually give

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away too much. There's still a
whole lot of fun to be had within

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the film, So don't be afraid
to watch these trailers because you're not really

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seeing too much. But yeah,
I would designate the Flash Movie as a

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comedy first and action movie second,
even though the action is great. The

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action is incredible, even though it's
a little cgi heavy. The version of

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the film that we got the chance
to see it was not the final version

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of the film. It was missing
the end credits scenes as well as the

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end credits in general. And I'm
really hoping that the version we saw did

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not have final special effects because they
weren't great, and I'm expecting better in

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the final theatrical cut. It was
still a fun movie though. I just

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want to say, even as a
Marvel fan, I had a lot of

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fun with the Flash movie. So
if you're on the fence about seeing it,

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definitely see it. It is Ezra
Miller's version of Barry Ellen, but

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it's still a fun version. Yeah, lover hate the actor Ezra. I

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definitely pulled off the role. And
for anyone wondering, this is very much

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a flash film. Even though you
know Michael Keaton's Batman appears in the movie

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and is a big reason for why
a lot of people I think are interested

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in seeing this movie. There wasn't
as much Michael Keaton in this trailer as

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there were in past trailers. I
think this one really focuses on the flash

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a lot more, whereas in previous
trailers Michael Keaton was used to really sell

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the movie, I think. But
to me, that's a good thing.

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A flash movie should be about the
flash first and foremost, and luckily the

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movie is the one thing I'm afraid
is really going to off put people in

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this trailer is the younger version of
Barry Ellen. The one with the longer

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hair who's like eighteen years old.
He's pretty goofy in the trailer, and

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honestly, he's pretty goofy in the
movie. He's definitely the film's comedic relief

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in a film that's pretty rife with
comedy to begin with. The one scene

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that's in this trailer that was not
in the movie, or at least the

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version that we saw was Kara saying
are you ready? So I'm curious if

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that's going to be in the movie
or if that was just an alternate scene

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that they included in this trailer.
We of course also get some new shots

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about Ben Affleck's Batman, and that's
an incredible action scene. Yeah, I

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can't wait to see that one again. The same thing goes for Supergirl's badassery,

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which we get a few shots of
here as well. Yeah, we

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get to see a few scenes of
her battling Zod in the film's like final

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battle, and at the conclusion of
the trailer we get a great joke about

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uber Ezac, which also had people
laughing in the theater. It was great.

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Yeah, that's the end of the
preview. It's really hard to talk

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about the trailer itself. Without talking
about the movie, So just know that

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you should be hyped, guys.
It is really good and we will of

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course be reviewing The Flash after the
movie comes out in a few weeks.

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Yeah. I already have my tickets. Can't wait to see it again with

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my family. It's good times for
sure. You know what My favorite thing

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about this trailer that wasn't in the
movie though, was the music. Oh

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the song Time by Pink Floyd is
a fucking jam and it plays really well

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into the themes of time travel in
the movie. Some of the best superhero

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time traveling of all time is in
this Flash film for sure, the best

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description of it as well. Yeah, but that brings us to our question

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of the week. What is your
favorite time traveling Marvel or DC film or

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television show and why there's a ton
of them out there. Like for Marvel,

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there's Deadpool two with Cable X Men
Days a future past of course,

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obviously, Avenger's Endgame, like Doctor
Strange had some time travel Loki, a

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bunch of great stuff for Marvel,
And with DC you got films like Superman,

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the movie Teen Titans, Go to
the movies, Legends of Tomorrow,

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the Flashpoint, paradox. Yeah,
there you go, a lot of great

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to answer before May third. But
that does it for the news for this

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week. Now let's move on to
the main event where we find out who's

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going to win in a fight between
Queen Bee and Spider Woman. Okay,

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Queen Bee versus Spider Woman. We
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Across the Spider Verse film that we
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to that, and it turns out
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have yet to do a duel with
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one of the characters in Across the
Spider Verse. Yeah, the version of

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Jessica Drew that's going to be in
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going to be voiced by Issa Ray. And the character is going to be

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pregnant in the movie, which hackns
back to a popular storyline when she was

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one of the very few pregnant superheroins
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now, she's totally a superhero in
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how any pregnant woman can actually fight
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the body. Yeah. I get
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I would not want her to be
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right, right. But when I
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the executive producers and I agreed that
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going to be a good matchup before
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decision during that meeting. But I
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insects. They're bugs. They're all
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still going to be a good match. Yeah, well, let's get into

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it. To explain the methodology behind
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dual simulator Alfred Jarvis nine thousand,
AJ nine K tell her listeners how you

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go about determining a winner in our
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sir. The way I determine a
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thousand Monte Carlo simulations using the character's
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probabilistic model used to determine outcomes through
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randomize the statistics along a normal distribution
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that can occur during battle. The
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Power grid, from which the DC
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are included, such as range,
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in order to create a more detailed
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one thousand simulations provide a percentage of
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the higher percentage is declared the victor, as they have a higher probability to

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win any given battle. In an
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hundred percent of the matches. The
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a way for Batman to defeat Superman. So the confidence rate of my method

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falls in line with the precedents that
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My mathematical simulations are without subjectivity or
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nor a fan votes tabulated for determination
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K. Before we run the simulations, though, we like to break down

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each character's histories and abilities before improvising
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the one thousand simulations would play out. Bat for Beat and it is might

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turn to go first this episode with
the Marvel character. So let me go

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ahead and tell you all about Jessica
Drew. Spider Woman. Jessica Drew was

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born in nineteen twenty four in England
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When she was young, her family
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where Jessica's parents had inherited a plot
of land where they could conduct illegal genetics

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experiments alongside Herbert Edgar Wyndham, the
scientist who would later be known as the

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High Evolutionary, whom you can learn
more about in our last dual episode to

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Sparrow versus the High Evolutionary. At
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radiation sickness due to her exposure to
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To save her life, her father
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immunity boosting serum made from the DNA
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a genetic accelerator to speed up the
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took a very long time, and
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where she aged very slowly until the
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Both of her parents died during her
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in a new time with a very
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da Gore and worked as a barmaid
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love with a young man, but
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her powers first manifested, caused by
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Frightened by her abilities, she fled
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organization called Hydra, who took her
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hoping to turn her into one of
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field mission, Jessica was tasked with
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international law enforcement agency called Shield.
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rebelled against Hydra and fled, returning
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low and dyeing her hair black as
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agent as he was having a shootout
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out by defeating the goons. Finding
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Jessica made her way to California,
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investigator. She made her way from
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Grimm and the Hangman, to the
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from the power draining then villainous Rogue, becoming acquainted with many women from the

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superhero community, such as Tigra.
Jessica's friends saved her life after a battle

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with Morgan le Fay separated her soul
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doctor Strange to help her, but
the spell he cast left Jessica powerless for

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a time. She then moved to
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as a private investigator, and she
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and the X Men member Wolverine.
Eventually, over time, her powers slowly

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returned to her, though they were
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She became a mentor to another woman
with spider abilities named Mattie Franklin. After

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a while, Jessica returned to the
United States, where she ran into another

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private investigator named Jessica Jones. After
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and Jessica Jones retaliated by slamming Jessica
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up their misunderstanding and worked together to
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You can learn more about Jessica Jones
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episode. In an effort to fix
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with her former organization Hydra, who
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However, Nick Fury knew of this, and Jessica became a double agent,

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secretly sending false intelligence back to Hydra. What they didn't know was that the

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shape shifting alien Scroll Queen Varanki had
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power instability. With her powers restored
to normal, the Scroll Queen imprisoned Jessica,

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impersonating her and taking her place on
the New Avengers team, where Jessica

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was recruited. Posing as Jessica,
the Scroll Queen secretly launched a full on

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Scroll invasion, which required the full
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finally joined the New Avengers and helped
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team. She then graciously accepted a
position in the Sword Organization, which was

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an offshoot of Shield that specialized in
alien threats. After battling Scrolls and Reteeming

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with the Avengers and becoming a mainstay
there, Jessica was then recruited alongside various

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other Spider powered people across the multiverse
to fight and defeat the inheritors of Vampiric

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Race, who would feed off the
animal totems of superpowered beings. She teamed

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up with the Hero Silk and Spider
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Weaver, who spun a web of
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the Inheritors. You can learn more
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Spider Man dual episode back in her
native dimension. After that adventure, Jessica

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quit the Avengers and became a private
investigator again. She got pregnant via artificial

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insemination, but continued her detective agency. Towards the end of her pregnancy term,

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Captain Marvel directed her to a superhuman
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superhero team. While there, Jessica
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Scrolls, and she led the other
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while going through labor, getting an
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then finishing the aliens off. Jessica
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but she was rescued by Captain Marvel, whom you can learn more out

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in her dual matchup against Supergirl Conflicted
on whether she should return to superheroics now

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that she was a mom to her
son Jerry. She eventually determined that she

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could show him how to be a
hero by example. Jessica began dating the

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reformed villain Porcupine, who had been
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He saved baby Jerry, who had
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managed to crawl up the side of
Jessica's apartment. One day after, Jessica

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assisted her friend Captain Marvel in her
new role as an accuser in the Creascrawl

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Alliance, Jessica joined the Order of
the Web, teaming up with her fellows

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Spider powered Heroes to prevent the clairvoyant
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killed, and that's her history powers
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that of Spider Man, with enhanced
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enhanced st agility, reflexes, durability, and the ability to stick to

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walls. Her body is completely immune
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and she can emit pheromones that can
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her. Though she doesn't have spider
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Spider Man twenty ninety nine, Spiderwoman's
hearing is super accurate, helping make her

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both alert to danger and a talented
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of bioelectricity called a venom blast,
and she can use these to propel herself

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into the air for long leaps,
and with the web glider built into the

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arms of her costume, she can
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Spiderwoman is a trained spy detective and
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swing from buildings. No, she
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it's a kind of neat how her
origin ties into various elements that we've

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been seeing in recent Marble movies like
Mount Wondergore, you know, from Doctor

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Strange in the Multiverse of Madness and
the High Evolutionary from Guardians the Galaxy Volume

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three. Yeah, it's quite timely
this matchup. I know there's several versions

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of Spider Woman now, like Spider
Gwen and Silk. I thought you were

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going to touch on them a little
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used in later battles. Yeah,
I'd love to do a battle with Spider

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Gwen one day. Well, there's
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but they all go by the name
Queen Bee, like they don't have various

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names. The main one I'm going
to touch on, though, is Queen's

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Zala, So let me get into
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where a humanoid race evolved from insects, a brilliant and elderly scientist named

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per Kaz developed an elixir of immortality. Knowing he was far past his prime

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to take the elixir and wanting to
ensure it was rewarded to the healthiest,

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smartest, and most courageous of his
species, per Coz separated the formula into

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three different files and hid each one
on the gaseous planet Somolar, a neighboring

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planet within Coral star system and where
Perks eventually die. The winged Queen of

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Coral at the time was furious at
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and died trying to find the vials
on Somolar, as did many queens after

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her. After centuries, the young
Queen Zazalah decided to create an army of

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flying soldiers to scour the planet for
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strength by having them invade and loot
to various other worlds, earning her the

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name Queen Bean. The tenth and
final planets for her test was Earth,

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and her drone army fell for the
first time thanks to the might of the

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Justice League, which you can learn
more about in our Justice League versus Avengers

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dual episode. Deciding to use the
Justice League's powers to her advantage, Queen

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Zizala blackmail to the League into finding
the vials of Immortality on Somolar for her

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lest she destroy Earth. Feeling as
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the League traveled to Somolar with Queen
Bee and managed to find all three

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vials. Queen Zizala dumped the League
back on Earth, only to discover that

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she had been tricked and that Green
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vials unopenable. You can learn more
about Green Lantern in our Hall Jordan versus

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Nova episode. Returning to Coral,
Queenszalah poured over per Caus's scientific notes and

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discovered that he had researched the green
energy of the Green Lanterns. Using that

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research, Zzala was able to negate
to Green Lanterns tampering and consume the elixir

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from the vials. A side effect
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it made Zizalah completely immobile, and
she required help from the League an order

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to restore her mortality and mobility.
Eventually, Zala discovered a way to remain

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immortal and mobile using magnetism, partnering
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Though Superman was able to defeat both
of them and Queensizala was banished to a

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space prison. Decades after the Crisis
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one universe, Zzala the Queen Bee
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After accepting a partnership with Lex Luthor, who you can learn more about

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in our Lex Luthor versus Baron Zemo
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now a villain known simply as the
General from an asteroid prison. Together

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along with Prometheus, the four of
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Zzalah promised a percentage of Earth's population
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took over the world. After enslaving
much of New York City and rendering Green

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Lantern powerless, Zala nearly defeated the
new god Big Barda in combat until Steele

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helped Barta banish Zzala and her drones
back to the planet Coral when Steele realized

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that Zazala, like the bees of
Earth, could not see the color red

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and used that against her. You
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in their respective dual episodes. Zzalah
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her Drone Army. She joined the
Secret Society of Supervillains and became the leader

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of the international terror organization known as
Hive, who were successful in capturing the

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hero Firestorm. The Secret Six,
a team of anti heroes, however,

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were able to destroy the Hive base
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and she was later seen trying to
steal a matter transporter Shag enough to

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teleport her entire Drone Army to Earth, though she was foiled by the Justice

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League once again. There have been
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to go by the name Queen Bee, including Zazala's sister Tazzala, who joined

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an intergalactic group known as the Terra
Arcana Army, enemies of the Creature Commandos,

402
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:41.039
Tazala's villain. His career was short
lived, however, as she was

403
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:45.000
killed by the Army's leader not long
after joining. Other Queen Bees include Marcia

404
00:29:45.079 --> 00:29:48.880
Munroe, a love interest of Batman
and a member of the criminals syndicate known

405
00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:55.839
as Cyclops, and two sisters queens
of the fictional nation of Baialia. In

406
00:29:55.920 --> 00:30:00.720
post Flashpoint continuity, a new version
of Queen Bee, also named as Zala,

407
00:30:00.000 --> 00:30:04.359
was introduced, this time known as
the Hive Queen. She was one

408
00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:10.240
of twenty humans who were captured and
experimented on by Brainiac, who you learn

409
00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:15.400
more about in our Brainiac Versus Ultron
duel. Given vast psionic powers, the

410
00:30:15.519 --> 00:30:19.799
Hive Queen became entirely devoted to Brainiac
and considered herself to be his daughter,

411
00:30:21.160 --> 00:30:25.640
with her goal being to enslave and
prepare the earth for his return. She

412
00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:32.079
started the international crime organization known as
Hive and began kidnapping powerful psychics such as

413
00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:37.400
Hector Hammond and psychopirates in order to
enslave the citizens of Metropolis, but she

414
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:42.000
was later defeated by Superman and seemingly
died, though she came back after attempting

415
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:48.880
to mind control ordinary citizens into building
a satellite capable of amplifying her psychic powers.

416
00:30:48.240 --> 00:30:52.759
The Hive Queen was defeated by the
Team Titans. She was later defeated

417
00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:57.359
by Red Hood and the Outlaws after
she attempted to set up Hive's headquarters in

418
00:30:57.440 --> 00:31:03.079
Gotham City, and she was defeated
by Wonder Woman as well after mind controlling

419
00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:08.160
the Amazons to turn against the superhero. The original Queen Bee Zzala re emerged

420
00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:14.240
recently as a member of the Cabal, a villainous coalition intent on taking over

421
00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:18.799
the world that included a Mazo,
doctor, Psycho, Hugo Strange, and

422
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:22.920
per Digaeton. For this matchup,
I will be using the Queen Bee version

423
00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:30.759
of Zezalah, whose abilities include superhuman
strength and speed proportional to a human sized

424
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:34.759
insect, as well as flight.
Thanks to her corelean physiology, she can

425
00:31:34.839 --> 00:31:41.640
naturally control bees, and her body
produces a hypnotic pollen that she can emit

426
00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:45.240
into the air and mind control anyone
who breathes it in, making them her

427
00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:49.720
drone, or it could sap the
will of those who make skin contact with

428
00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:56.400
it. She has mastered a unique, corelean fighting style that combines flying with

429
00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:00.759
kicks, and on her right wrist, she has a set of glass capable

430
00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:06.640
of projecting explosive, venomous stinger darts. And that's Queen Bee. I should

431
00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:12.240
say that Spiderwoman, when she was
a member of shield Head psychic shielding technology

432
00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:15.640
implanted in her brain. I don't
think like the Queen Bee of bees naturally

433
00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:20.039
mind controls them. I think it's
more of an influenced thing. This version

434
00:32:20.039 --> 00:32:22.880
of Queen Bee is not psychic.
Okay, okay, Wait, and did

435
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:27.480
you say that she can't see the
color red? Yeah, dude, Spider

436
00:32:27.519 --> 00:32:30.119
Woman's costume is red. I don't
know how this matchup is gonna work.

437
00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:32.519
She's not going to see her coming. She's going to see her gloves and

438
00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:37.599
her boots and the bottom part of
her face and her hair and her abdomen

439
00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:40.559
coming. It's enough. That's enough. We'll see. These characters have a

440
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:44.599
lot in common abilities wise, so
it should be fun to see how this

441
00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:47.119
fight plays out. Yeah, Now, though we've got their histories and abilities

442
00:32:47.119 --> 00:32:51.880
out of the way, let's speculate
on how one of the one thousand simulated

443
00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:55.720
matches will go. The winner is
determined by simulations, not this speculation,

444
00:32:57.119 --> 00:33:00.799
but it's fun to imagine how this
fight could play out for a Jarvis nine

445
00:33:00.839 --> 00:33:04.559
thousand. What are the rules of
our speculation, Well, I should say

446
00:33:04.599 --> 00:33:07.119
there are no rules, other than
the characters have no prior knowledge of the

447
00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:10.960
other going into the fight. All
they are aware of starting out is that

448
00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:15.039
the other character is a threat that
needs to be eliminated. For the speculation,

449
00:33:15.319 --> 00:33:21.559
the contestants will begin approximately fifty meters
apart in a nondescript environment that will

450
00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:24.920
have no bearing on the match itself, as no environmental statistics are considered in

451
00:33:24.960 --> 00:33:30.680
my simulations. The contestants must earn
victory on their own merit. All right,

452
00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:34.000
then let's get into it. Queen
Bee and Spider Woman meet on the

453
00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:38.799
battlefield. Who goes first? Since
it sounds like Spiderwoman's venom blasts are like

454
00:33:38.960 --> 00:33:44.160
short range, I'm going to say
that Queen Bee starts off with a long

455
00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:49.799
grange attack from her stinger launcher on
her wrist, which can fire these stingers

456
00:33:49.799 --> 00:33:52.440
out rapid fire like a gattling gun. So that's what she does. That's

457
00:33:52.480 --> 00:33:57.160
like nothing a Spider Woman, and
she's going to venom blast herself into the

458
00:33:57.200 --> 00:34:01.720
sky and glide over to Queen Bee, dodging all these stingers in midair before

459
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:07.039
dropping down right onto her with the
heel to Queen Bee's face. Okay,

460
00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:10.159
but like just before Spider Woman makes
contact, Queen Bee is gonna like bring

461
00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:15.679
her palm to her lips and blows
out a cloud of hypnotic pollen that Spider

462
00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:20.440
Woman's just gonna drop into, and
now she's under Queen Bee's control. No,

463
00:34:20.559 --> 00:34:24.280
but I said earlier that Spiderwoman is
immune to all poisons and toxins,

464
00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:30.320
so this hypnotic pollen is going to
do jack squat against alien toxins. Toxins

465
00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:36.559
are toxins man, except one of
their alien toxins. So maybe let's say

466
00:34:36.599 --> 00:34:40.679
the pollen affects Spider Woman, but
not in the way it usually affects people,

467
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:45.440
like it doesn't give Queen Bee control
over her, but it does still

468
00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:50.239
connect Spider Woman to the hive mind. So Queen Bee knows what Spider Woman

469
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:54.440
is gonna do next now like spider
sins. Okay, well, Spider Woman's

470
00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:59.599
immune sytem is still gonna be working
on that. But even if Queen Bee

471
00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:02.360
wanted to know what Spider Woman is
going to do next, she all of

472
00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:07.199
a sudden just doesn't want to fight
Spider Woman anyway, because like she's all

473
00:35:07.199 --> 00:35:12.039
of a sudden just really smitten with
her due to Spider Woman's pheromones. So

474
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:15.880
Queen Bee is like, damn,
Spider Woman's fine, and and that's when

475
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:20.400
she just gets be slapped right across
the face. I mean, do huan

476
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:24.039
pheromones even work on insect aliens?
Yeah, man, pheromones or pheromones,

477
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:29.320
Yeah, except when they're not alien. What the fuck? Come on,

478
00:35:29.559 --> 00:35:32.480
you can't just because she's an alien. So her chemicals work, but Spider

479
00:35:32.480 --> 00:35:37.079
Woman's chemicals don't. Yeah. Sorry, So Queen Bee blocks the slap and

480
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:42.000
is going to counter her by like
bicycle kicking Spider Woman up into the air

481
00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:46.360
using her unique Bee style of fighting
bicycle kick like like Luke King from Mortal

482
00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:52.239
Kombat. Exactly. Well, Spider
Woman, after getting kicked a few times,

483
00:35:52.239 --> 00:35:54.199
she's just gonna ben a blast Queen
Bee to get her away from her.

484
00:35:54.519 --> 00:35:59.239
So Queen Bee gets electrocuted. No, because Queen Bee actually sees this

485
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:02.719
coming since Spiderwoman is still part of
the Hive Mind, and she's just gonna

486
00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:07.000
hurl Spider Woman down to the ground
before she could get tagged by that venom

487
00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:10.880
blast. I'm gonna say, boy, at this point, like Spiderwoman's accelerated

488
00:36:10.920 --> 00:36:15.519
immune system has developed an immunity to
the pollen toxin, So that's going to

489
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:20.280
remove her from the Hive mind.
Okay, So Queen Bee can no longer

490
00:36:20.760 --> 00:36:24.760
anticipate Spider Woman's actions anymore, so
she totally does not see it when Spider

491
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:30.480
Woman straight up lightning uppercuts her out
of the sky with this electric punch that

492
00:36:30.519 --> 00:36:36.320
could take out a rhino. So
Queen Bee is like bo and she crashes

493
00:36:36.360 --> 00:36:39.000
into the ground, just stunned.
Okay, all right, so Queen Bee,

494
00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:45.320
she's dazed, but I'm gonna say
she's just conscious enough to someone like

495
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:50.079
a massive swarm of bees to do
her fighting for her, and she commands

496
00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:54.360
them to attack Spiderwoman as she gets
her bearings, and Spiderwoman, you know,

497
00:36:54.400 --> 00:36:58.039
she's gonna be covered in bees,
all up in her hair and in

498
00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:06.639
her suit, and she's like fucking
bee like Nicholas Cage and the wicker many.

499
00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:09.639
Yeah, but but but like bees
are not going to do anything to

500
00:37:09.679 --> 00:37:14.599
Spider Woman, She's gonna just treat
them like an electric bug zapper wood.

501
00:37:14.840 --> 00:37:16.320
So like all these bees are all
over her, but she's going to send

502
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:20.840
out a small burst of bioelectricity and
they just all fall dead to the ground,

503
00:37:21.239 --> 00:37:27.639
You bastard. These bees pollinate well, I mean, Spider Woman will

504
00:37:27.679 --> 00:37:30.719
be sure to get some flowers and
place among Queen Bee's grave, because she's

505
00:37:30.719 --> 00:37:35.280
gonna swoop down onto Queen Bee and
she's gonna stick her hand on her head

506
00:37:35.480 --> 00:37:38.000
and she's gonna hold it there using
her wall sticking ability so that Queen Bee

507
00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:42.559
can't knock her away. And with
her hand clamps down on her head,

508
00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:46.800
she's just gonna fry her brain freaking
electrocuting Queen Bee to death. WHOA Okay,

509
00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:52.679
But like I'm gonna say, the
electricity surging through Queen Bee's body is

510
00:37:52.679 --> 00:37:58.039
going to cause an involuntary response in
her wrist glands. That rapid fire explosive

511
00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:01.559
darts right into Spider Woman at point
blank, so she gets blown up to

512
00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:07.360
bits. Well, Queen Bee remains
largely intact. So I say, Queen

513
00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:09.599
Bee is the ultimate winner here,
How does that make sense if the darts

514
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:14.159
are explosive and she does it at
close range, Like, wouldn't that affect

515
00:38:14.239 --> 00:38:17.159
Queen Bee? Like what didn't she
get the brunt of the explosive as well?

516
00:38:17.199 --> 00:38:22.159
No, because like at that close
range, the stingers they're actually just

517
00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:25.800
gonna go into Spiderwoman and explode her
from within. That's crazy. I don't

518
00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:30.079
understand why Queen Bee has explosive stingers
anyway, Like that doesn't make sense,

519
00:38:30.079 --> 00:38:32.280
like be wise, Okay, I'm
sorry, it's not on theme enough for

520
00:38:32.320 --> 00:38:38.039
you. We could go ahead and
leave the match there, either Spider Woman

521
00:38:38.199 --> 00:38:45.480
fries Queen Bee's brain or Queen Bee
explodes Spiderwoman from within with her explosive stingers.

522
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:47.760
Let's go ahead and put the stats
on these characters, run a thousand

523
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:52.599
simulations, and come back with a
winner in putting data, running calculations,

524
00:38:52.599 --> 00:38:58.039
processing results, simulations complete. Okay, it sounds like we need to do

525
00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:00.800
this quick because you need to get
to the hospital soon, So let's run

526
00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:07.079
through this. They were actually very
close stat wise when it came to evasiveness,

527
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:12.119
durability, strength, damage level,
even fighting skill, and perception.

528
00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:15.840
They equalled out. I didn't think
it was going to be that close.

529
00:39:15.239 --> 00:39:20.199
Yeah, I know that you were
hesitant to give Spiderwoman the same stat as

530
00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:23.280
Queen Bee in terms of fighting,
because Queen Bee is a very specialized fighter,

531
00:39:23.719 --> 00:39:29.639
but Spiderwoman is very well trained in
fighting, getting training from both Hydra

532
00:39:29.960 --> 00:39:34.480
and Shield, so she's pretty adept. The one thing that Spiderwoman had over

533
00:39:34.840 --> 00:39:38.320
Queen Bee was intellect, being an
incredible detective, and even that I was

534
00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:44.360
hesitant on because you know, Queen
Bee is the leader of an entire planet,

535
00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:47.679
in an entire army, like she
basically controls all of them. There's

536
00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:52.440
not much, you know, in
the way of leadership there. That's that's

537
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:55.639
what you pointed out, And I
couldn't really find any like intellect feats for

538
00:39:55.679 --> 00:40:00.840
her as well, So I conceded
that category where Queen Bee came out ahead

539
00:40:00.920 --> 00:40:07.239
of Spiderwoman was movement speed, since
she can fly, whereas Spiderwoman could essentially

540
00:40:07.280 --> 00:40:10.880
just fall with style she glides.
Yeah, but also Queen Bee has greater

541
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:15.760
range. You know, Spider Woman
can shoot out her bioelectricity, but it's

542
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:19.599
not really a long range weapon.
It's like medium range, right, And

543
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:22.480
all of the categories that each one
came out ahead in wasn't fighting much,

544
00:40:22.760 --> 00:40:25.960
so this is definitely going to be
a close match. I feel yeah.

545
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:30.000
I still think Spider Woman's gonna window
and our Instagram polltakers agree with me.

546
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:34.559
Seventy one percent of them thought that
Jessica Drew is going to come out on

547
00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:37.800
top. And let's see if they're
right. Because the winner of this week's

548
00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:45.960
matchup between Queen Bee and Spider Woman
is Queen Bee. She won five hundred

549
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:49.639
forty six matches out of one thousand
or a Spiderwoman only one four hundred and

550
00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:52.159
fifty four, so it was fifty
four point six percent over forty five point

551
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:57.639
four percent In the end, even
though Spiderwoman was smarter, it was the

552
00:40:57.760 --> 00:41:00.760
speed and range stats that got her. Queenby is just too fast and has

553
00:41:00.800 --> 00:41:06.159
too many long range attacks. Take
that Instagram Marvel fanboys, they'll say that

554
00:41:06.199 --> 00:41:07.760
to them. There's more of them
out there and they will beat the shit

555
00:41:07.880 --> 00:41:12.320
out of you. Just remember that, always remember that they have to find

556
00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:15.079
me first. But that isn't for
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572
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