Rogues vs Brotherhood of Mutants

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Hi, and welcome to the Dynamic
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I'm Marvelous Joe and I'm his twin brother

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Johnny DC. And in this episode
that we've been building toward for a few

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months now, we're going to find
out who would win in a fight between

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the Rogues and the Brotherhood of Muants. It's the Flash villains versus the X

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Men villains. We've done several team
duels now, I believe this is the

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eighth team duel that we've done.
Our last one was Young Justice versus Young

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Adventures. But I believe this is
only the second villain team duel that we've

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done, the previous being Sinister Six
versus Arkham Asylum, which was Spider Man

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villains versus Batman villains. Yeah,
we did do another duel which was Suicide

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Squad versus Defenders, So this is
actually like my third go round with villains.

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But yeah, it's always fun to
see how far you could take these

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matches with these lower moral characters.
Yeah, it's been really interesting learning more

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about the Rogues and the Brotherhood over
these past few months, and I'm really

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excited to speculate on the battle and
also find out who'll win. The way

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Before that, we're going to break
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out this past week, including the
first official trailer for the Blue Beetle movie

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that we got, and we got
another trailer, this time for Marvel spider

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Man Across the Spider Verse official trailer
number two. And we got news that

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James Mangold is going to write and
direct Swamp Thing, confirmed by a Mangled

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himself as well as James Gunn.
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is a digital award that we post
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the person that we feel gave the
best answer to our question of the week.

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Last week's question we asked you guys, what has been your favorite Marvel

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or DC trailer of all time and
why? And we got literally one answer

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this last week. What the heck
that's That's the fewest number of answers we've

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ever gotten. I don't know if
it was too vague of a question or

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if people just had a lot of
shit to do coming up to Easter weekend,

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but yeah, one answer. So
no honorable mentions and one No Prize

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winner. This week's No Prize goes
to Jose Marcial, who said, for

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me, this is a very easy
answer. It's the Minister teaser that was

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attached to Dark Knight Rises, just
seeing Superman breakfa Somberer at the end of

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that saying goose bumps down my spine. And still those day, I still

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remember seeing this teaser for Man of
Steel in theaters. I think it did

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a great job of setting the tone
for this film and really for the Snyder

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verse as a whole, just with
the music and the voiceover and like the

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Terrence Malick esque shots, it was
just gorgeous. It was beautiful the whole

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thing. The trailer actually had two
voiceovers, one by Russell Crows Jorrel and

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the other by Kevin Costner's Jonathan Kent, and I think different theaters got different

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versions of it, and I thought
both voiceovers really worked with the visuals that

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we saw. We didn't actually get
a good look at Superman at the very

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end of the trailer you'd see him
like rocketing up into the sky. But

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at the very end we did get
a good shot of the new logo,

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which I think is still the best
Superman logo that has ever existed. Really,

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I liked Superman returns s Shield logo. That one was good. This

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one is still better though, in
my opinion. I remember just thinking it

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looked very alien, like more alien
than any other Superman emblem we had seen

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up to the point. Oh yeah, absolutely, it's like very organic,

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Yeah yeah, I thought it was
an okay trailer, you know, I

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was like, whoop de doo,
fucking Superman. I feel like, if

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you weren't a fan of that tone
and that take on the character, you

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probably didn't care for this teaser trailer. But I was very intrigued. Honestly,

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it was a good teaser. I
do remember thinking though, that the

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final shot of Superman breaking the sound
barrier was a rip off of the original

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iron Man teaser that was pretty much
the same shot, except instead of flying

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upward, iron Man was flying sideways
and he broke the sound barrier in that

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trailer, So basically they were ripping
off Marvel. Bitch, please like Superman

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was breaking the sound of barrier way
before iron Man, not on screen,

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he wasn't whatever not in that cool
visual style. But congrats to Jose Marcia'll

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thank you so much for taking the
time to answer this week's no Prize question.

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I'm like the rest of you bums, Yeah, get your shit together.

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If you the listener want to shut
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stay tuned till later on this episode
when we'll be asking another question of the

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week. But now that that's done, on to the news All right.

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So last week we got our very
first Blue Beetle trailer. It's one that

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I've been looking forward to for a
long time, you know, ever since

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they announced the film was in the
works, and we got to see like

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the really cool Blue Beetle concept arts
in the DC fandom. Blue Beetle is

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one of the coolest looking characters visually, so that was what I was most

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looking forward to in this trailer,
and it did not disappoint. No,

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the Blue Beetle armor looks every bit
as cool as it should look. It's

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like Iron Man armor with an alien
twist and you know, a different color

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scheme, but every bit is cool. Some might say derivative, but I

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hope that general audiences don't see it
that way. I mean, I guess

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you can't say that because the mouth
doesn't move or open like it does in

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the comics. But I think it
looks different enough. And I gotta say,

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for a movie that was originally supposed
to be released on HBO Max exclusively,

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the special effects and this trailer,
with maybe the exception of the Kajida

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scarab look fantastic, very polished.
Well, even the scarab looks pretty cool.

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I think it looks very you know, high tech in a very alien

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energy sort of way. I'm definitely
glad this movie is going to theaters now.

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Yeah, the scarab looks like a
badass toy that I can't wait to

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buy. You know, they'll be
releasing it for sure, for sure.

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Now. The trailer starts off with
hime Reyes looking out over the ocean from

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this house with a pool behind him, and he looks like a badass,

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but then we quickly learn that he's
there to clean the house with his family.

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Yeah. Great set up. Pretty
funny, honestly, And I think

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the first thing I was surprised by
it was how old Solo Madidunia was because

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I had never seen Cobra Kai,
so I assumed that he was a kid.

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He looks to be like almost twenty
here, which is about the right

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age, but I just like he'd
be younger for some reason. Well,

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I think he could play between like
seventeen and twenty. Maybe he's around that

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age. I think the guy is
twenty one years old right now, soon

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to be twenty two. Okay,
that was pretty close, yeah, but

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still older than I thought. Well. The hime Reyes version of the Blue

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Beetle character is supposed to be a
teen hero, and I think he passes

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for a teen Oh yeah, for
sure. Early in the trailer we see

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him go to Cord Industries. It
looks like to try and pitch his family's

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cleaning service to them, but in
the process he meets an acquaintance who gives

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him a big belly burger cart,
in which I thought was a nice shout

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out to the comics, which looks
like it contains the Scarab. The scene

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where Kaymed is with his family in
the kitchen and like the Scarabe just jumps

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on his face and everybody starts screaming
was one of my favorite moments of the

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trailer. I was laughing out loud. I think the part of that surprised

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me the most from that scene in
this preview was Solo Maridunia's acting ability,

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because again I've never seen him in
anything, and I thought he did pretty

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well. When he's telling his sister
like, I don't think it's a burger.

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It's those small idio sequences within the
performance, like the gulp that he

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makes because you know he's kind of
nervous. I thought it played off really

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well. Well. Yeah, I
mean I think you could almost consider him

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the lead of Cobra Kai. He
does a fantastic job. He's a good

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actor for sure. I'm a surprise
he was chosen to lead a movie.

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The sort of body horror scene that
follows all of the screaming, where the

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scarab is just taking over his body. I thought it was also very interesting

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and kind of horrifying. It was
at this point that I felt like the

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film is kind of like a misshmash
between Miss Marvel and maybe Venom in that

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regard. Oh, interesting observation.
That sounds pretty good. Though, Yeah

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it's not bad. I mean,
I liked Miss Marvel, I like the

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family angle to that, and you
know, in terms of like power and

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semi horror, yeah, Venom is
not the worst inspiration. I have to

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say, though, that the next
few shots I didn't love. I think

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the marketing team made a mistake.
When you have essentially a recreation of the

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scene in Shazam, we have Zachary
Levi's character falling from the sky and stopping

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at the last minute, hovering a
few inches off the ground. The exact

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same thing is happening here, like
almost shot for shot, And while that's

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happening, you have music that's saying
repeatedly this ain't what you want. It's

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almost like the marketing team was purposefully
trying to put a bad taste in people's

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mouth. I didn't mind the song
choice at all. What are you talking

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about? This ain't what you want? Really, I feel like those are

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the best lyrics for marketing. Hey, if some alien symbio was like taking

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over my body, I also would
not want that. Maybe I would actually

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if he gave me cool powers,
why not? Okay, But it sounds

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like they're saying this movie isn't what
you want or something. I don't know.

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I was like, really okay into
it? Yeah, okay, fuck

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off, I will buy. But
no, what's he's like in his suit?

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And like we get to see him
like doing different things with it.

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That is the joy of reading Blue
Beetle, just seeing all the different things

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that he could do with the suit. And he does some amazing things in

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this trailer. He got a bus
in half yeah, with like an energy

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shield. That was crazy and it
was a really good showcase of the expression

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that the suit can deliver even though
it's like a full face mask. The

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last shot of the trailer where he
creates these like two armswords that us into

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one large sword that looks like the
Buster sword from Final Fantasy. Yeah,

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the shot kind of came across like
it's part of a montage where he's basically

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learning how to use his powers.
I don't believe the audio that's going over

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that shot in this trailer is the
audio that's going to be in the movie

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where the computers like anything, you
imagine, I can create good choice,

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Satan my face. I loved that
scene. I thought it was really cool.

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Didn't love the voice for Kajita,
though it's way too close to Siri.

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It does sound like Siri. Yeah, why, I don't know if

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the scarab was like technologically modified by
Victoria Chord or something like that. I

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don't know. I didn't like it. Do you think that Solo Mighty Dunia

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in the suit doing those cool karate
kicks in this trailer? I mean,

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he definitely has martial arts skills as
evident in Kobra Kai, So yeah,

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I think it actually was him,
And it does look like you know,

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as we've seen from behind the scenes
shots that he's wearing a practical suit in

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some instances, so it's cool to
see that he can move so well in

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the costume in the very final shot
in the trailer, it looks like they're

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on Ted chords blue Beetle hovercraft the
bug, you know, right, and

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in the background you could see Ted
Chords and Dan Garrett's costumes, which I

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thought it was a pretty damn cool
shout out to the history of the character.

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Very very cool, Easter Gregg.
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Bug in this movie. I'm really
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and I'm really hoping it's played by
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No? But I mean a guy
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version of Ted Chord at some point
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in the movie. But he hasn't
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right, No, he hasn't.
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maybe like an after credit scene or
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just really don't see Victoria Chord getting
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that is Susan Sarandon's character. Yes, Okay. I did not appreciate the

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line at the very end by George
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a fascist? What is with all
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A DC always dissing themselves in these
trailers? Right, Like it happens pretty

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frequently, like Aquaman, fux Fish, Batman is a fascist? What?

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No? Never? I mean technically
all superheroes are fascist because they imposed their

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will through force, right, which
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I kind of see where he's coming
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trailer overall got me super excited for
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it August eighteenth. You know,
it comes out sooner and is going to

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be better. That's right. The
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We got the official trailer number two
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was the trailer I think I've been
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Yeah, it was way better than
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Yeah, the last trailer was basically
like five minutes of some sentimental talk

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between Miles Morales and his mom where
she's like, you can't way to see

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what kind of man you're going to
be because you're still my baby and I

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love you, and I'm like,
what the fuck is this? Yeah,

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and I had footage from the first
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does a complete one eighty and gives
us a lot of great stuff from this

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upcoming movie, like we get to
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voice by Jason Schwartzman. I'm so
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character these past few weeks, going
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funny to see him here being introduced
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pretty much having the same exact reaction
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the comics where he laughs at him
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of the Spot are much more organic
looking here. They're not like perfect circular

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portals. They're more like Dalmatian spots, honestly, And that's what Myles calls

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him. Yeah, that was funny. That was a good line. Eventually

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in the trailer, Miles meets up
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Spider Man headquarters or we're all the
best Spider Man from across the multiverse meet

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up, kind of like a Council
of Spider Man as it were, you

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know, like the Council of Kings
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that. Yeah, Council of Reads. Yeah, it's an interdimensional like headquarters

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known as the Lobby. Apparently it
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O'Hara, who was Spider Man twenty
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I thought it was interesting how when
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this thing? Miguel was like,
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me started about Doctor Strange in that
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You know, as a fanboy,
it poses a lot of questions because

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we know that in the Doctor Strange
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the MCU was designated Earth six one
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different numerical designation for the MCU,
one that's been largely established by the fans

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for years now, and that's nineteen
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universe is Earth six one six,
and that was kind of like an easter

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egg in the multi Verse of Bandis
movie. Well, I felt like the

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world that doctor Strange went to in
multiverse of bandess like they had their own

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number designations. I don't think it
was like the official one, right,

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numerical system, So not a big
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the shout out was really cool.
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Tom Holland will be making a cameo
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it looks like baby Mayday Parker will
also be making an appearance. How freaking

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awesome is that? That is so
cool to see Peter Parker return to the

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story and now with a baby with
Mary Jane. True to comics, her

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name is Mayday Parker and she has
her dad's abilities and will one day grow

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up to be Spider Girl. I
love everything about that. I hope we

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get to see Mayday Parker grow up
into the hero that we know she'll be.

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film that'll be cool. Maybe after
all that set up, it looks like

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the crux of the story is Miles
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to him, maybe a member of
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being set up to be his father, but somehow the act of saving this

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person will affect the larger multiverse,
and so Miles has this kind of crisis

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of conscience that kind of feels like
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thought experiment, save one person or
save many people. Yeah, it's fascinating.

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I didn't know that's where this story
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love it. Actually, everything after
when Miguel is explaining that, like,

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no, Spider Man does not always
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very, very invested in this trailer. Yeah, because Miles seems convinced that

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he can save everybody. But the
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are trying to teach him is that, you know, sometimes sacrifice is just

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part of being Spider Man. We
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A lot of the other Spider Man
lost Uncle Ben Spider, Gwen lost Peter

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Parker, sacrifices like that. It'll
be interesting to see how the story plays

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out where it's basically Miles and probably
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and there's a lot of them.
There are a ton that final shot where

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Spider Man is in therapy and everybody
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You know. The animation on these
films is freaking incredible, and I

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can't wait to see how all of
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just a few months on June second. It'll probably be the last film I

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get to see in theaters for a
while before the birth of my own baby

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girl, so it'll be an exciting
time. I guess now you're gonna have

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to name her may Day, right, I might, yeah, reconsider her

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name. Maybe I should call her
may Day and she'll grow into a big

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Marvel fan, just like her dad, at least her middle name. I'm

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going to do to her what you
did to your daughters and just like totally

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indoctrinate her on team Marvel and not
even let her watch the DC stuff and

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convince her that like DC is the
equivalent of like Evil. Basically. I

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remember when your daughter Grace picked up
a Disney comic and I told her,

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oh, that's like a Marvel because
Disney owns Marvel, and she cried.

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At that point, I knew you
were a bad father or a very good

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father, but it was a good
trailer not as good as the Blue Beetle

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trailer, I think, but we're
gonna let you guys decide, because that's

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our question of the week. Which
trailer was better the Blue Beetle official trailer

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or the Spider Man Across the Spider
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answer before April fifteenth. In our last

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bit of news, James Mangold accidentally
less slip during an interview with Collider that

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he is only directing Swamp Thing,
which had been rumored, but he is

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also in fact writing it as well. This is awesome news. I'm a

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big fan of James Mangold, especially
after he made Logan that is hands down

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one of the best superhero movies that
has ever been made, and it sounds

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like according to James Gunn, who
confirmed the news on Twitter, that James

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Mangold is a huge fan of the
swamp Thing character. Now, I remember

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you saying that the Swampthing television series
that was on DC Universe would be hard

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to top. But with this news, I would be surprised if the swamp

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Thing movie wasn't just ridiculously awesome because
Logan was ridiculously awesome and James Mangold also

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wrote that film as well as directed. Yeah, I mean, I still

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think it'll be hard to top,
but if anyone is going to do it,

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it's going to be James Mangold.
I'm super excited for him to work

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on swamp Thing, and I really
hope he gets to work on this before

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his Star Wars project, because he
essentially told Collider like, I'm not sure

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which one is going to come first. I hope it's swamp Thing. That

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said, his Star Wars projects designed
pretty dope as well. It's about the

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start of the Jedi Order. Oh
that's pretty cool. Honestly, I think

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I'd rather see that no shout out, but we'll see what happens. Great

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news for DC fans, for sure, but I think that doesn't for all

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the news for this episode. So
let's go ahead and get into the main

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event, the event that everyone's been
waiting for for a few months now,

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where we find out who would win
in a fight between the Rogues and the

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Brotherhood of Mutants. All right,
the Rogues versus the Brotherhood of Mutants.

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Long time coming, Jonathan. Why
are we pitting these two supervillain teams against

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each other? This was a team
matchup chosen by our executive producers. I

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think it's a great one. I
think both teams of villains are extremely powerful

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because they have to go up against
extremely powerful heroes. Yeah. I don't

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remember thinking there being any other rationale
to this fight other than it would be

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really cool to see these guys go
head to head. You know, there's

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not too many comparisons thematically between these
two teams or powers wise, with the

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exception of Captain Colden Pyro, But
I think they're both highly respected villain groups

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within their respective universes, with some
pretty interesting abilities across the board, and

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it's hard to say which team is
more powerful and therefore which team will win

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With the Rogues. It's gonna be
the Rogues, is it? Now?

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Why do you think that because there's
so much more versatile. Why do you

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think the Flash has such a hard
time defeating them? Because the Flash isn't

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very good. Okay, it's like
saying Quicksilver can take on the entire Brotherhood,

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you know, just with this superspeed. I don't think that's the case.

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When it comes to Marvel's mutant villain
team. It takes more than just

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one hero to defeat these guys.
You have an entire team of X Men

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going up against the Brotherhood, and
I think that will be the Rogue's downfall.

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And I think you're about to learn
a very hard bless that you don't

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underestimate the Rogues. And I think
you're going to feel very humbled at the

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end of this episode. Well,
I thank you. You're dumb, all

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right, Well, let's get into
it, and we'll go ahead and turn

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to our sentient dual simulator. Alfred
Jarvis nine thousand. Explain to our listeners

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how he goes about determining a winner
in these team dual matchups. Yes,

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of course, sir. The way
I determine a winner between the two teams

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is by running one thousand Monte Carlo
simulations between every character on each team using

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their statistics. A Monte Carlo simulation
is a probabilistic model used to determine outcomes

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through random sampling. In this case, I randomize the statistics along a normal

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distribution as a way to simulate the
many variables that can occur during battle.

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The stat parameters are based on the
official Marvel power grid, from which the

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DC character's statistics are extrapolated. Additional
stat categories are included, such as range,

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damage, potential, versatility, and
perception in order to create a more

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detailed and accurate simulation. The results
of the forty nine thousand simulations provide a

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percentage of wins for each character on
both teams. The team with the higher

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average win rate is declared the victor, as they have a higher probability to

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win any given battle. In an
equitable pairing, neither team should win one

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hundred percent of the matches. The
comic book stories have shown that there's even

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a way for Batman to defeat Superman, so the confidence rate of my method

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falls in line with the precedents that
have been established in the source material.

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My mathematical simulations are without subjectivity or
bias. Feats are not the sole consideration,

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nor are fan votes tabulated for determination
of the winner. Thanks he A.

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June eight thousand. Before we run
the simulations, though, we like

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to break down each team's histories and
rosters before uppervising a scenario on how we

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imagine one of the many simulated matches
between these teams would play out B for

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B. Yeah, it's my turn
to go first with the Marvel backstories,

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so let me go ahead and tell
you all about the history of the Brotherhood

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of Mutant. While most supervillain teams
consist of criminal masterminds joining together to form

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a greater threat, the Brotherhood of
Mutants originated with more ideological and even political

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goals in mind, namely to protect
mutants against the prejudices of mankind, to

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deliver justice to their injustices, and
occasionally to strife or world domination. In

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order to achieve these ends, the
original group was founded years ago by Magneto,

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the mutant master of Magnetism, who, growing up a survivor of the

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Holocaust during World War Two, experienced
firsthand many of the atrocities humanity was capable

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of inflicting upon those deemed lesser than
Convinced that his former friend, Professor Xavier

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was wrong in his belief that humans
and mutants could coexist in peace. Magneto

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formed the Brotherhood of Mutants to counter
the Professor's new team of mutant recruits called

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the X Men, whose conflicting goal
was to protect humanity. You can learn

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more about the X Men in our
Titans versus x Men team dual episode,

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and learned more about Magneto in ar
Senestro Versus Magneto episode. Magneto himself recruited

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his alleged children, Quicksilver and the
Scarlet Witch, who had powers of sonic

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speediness and probability manipulation, respectively.
He also brought on other persecuted mutants receptive

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to his cause of mutants superiority,
including Toad, who could leave vast distances

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with his powerful legs, and Mastermind
the psychic Illusionist. From their headquarters on

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the orbital space station Asteroid M,
they began their attempt at world domination by

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first invading a South American nation,
usurping its army and declaring the country as

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a new homeland. Though they were
driven away by the X Men, the

405
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Brotherhood managed to capture the hero Archangel
and held them prisoner on Asteroid M.

406
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There the X Men came to rescue
their teammate, and a battle ensued that

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brought down the space station, defeating
the Brotherhood. Despite being a formidable group,

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the members of the Brotherhood despised each
other and were a dysfunctional and unstable

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00:29:00.720 --> 00:29:03.599
unit. Though Magneto would go on
to recruit other mutants such as units the

410
00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:08.960
Untouchable and fight other superhero groups such
as the Defenders, the Brotherhood team eventually

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dissolved. Years later, The shape
shifting mutant Mystique would form the next generation

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of the Brotherhood, enlisting a slightly
more cohesive group consisting of the immovable Blob

413
00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:23.960
Pyro, the Master of the Living
Flame Avalanche, who could control seismic vibrations,

414
00:29:25.319 --> 00:29:30.559
Destiny, Mystique's lifelong partner, and
rogue their adoptive daughter. Together,

415
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:34.119
they tried to assassinate US Senator Robert
Kelly, who had recently introduced the Mutant

416
00:29:34.200 --> 00:29:38.839
Registration Act, which would require all
mutants to disclose their identities and powers to

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the American government. The reactions would
inadvertently lead to a dystopian future called the

418
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Days of Future Past, wherein mutant
hunting sentinel robots would control North America.

419
00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:53.400
Fortunately, Kitty Pride, who was
a member of the X mannown as Shadowcat,

420
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was able to travel back into the
mind of her younger self and help

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00:29:57.359 --> 00:30:03.119
stop Mystique's brotherhood and prevent Senator Kelly's
death. Though the villainous group was imprisoned,

422
00:30:03.119 --> 00:30:07.640
Mystique was able to use her duplicitous
connections within the Pentagon to grant its

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members of full pardon, provided they
now worked as government sponsored special agents.

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Rebranded as Freedom Force. Their brother
had secretly recruited new and burgeoning mutants while

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still ironically clashing with the X Men, since the state labeled those heroes as

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unregistered threats. After a disastrous mission
in Iraq that left its members dead,

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missing, or captured, Freedom Force
was eventually disbanded. Later, Toad,

428
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one of the original Brotherhood members,
formed his own incarnation of the team with

429
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Blob, Pyro and Soron, and
they allied themselves with a subterranean dwelling band

430
00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:48.039
of mutants known as the Morlocks.
Together, they fought against X Force and

431
00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:52.240
clashed with non mutant threats like Spider
Man, Darkok, and Sleepwalker. For

432
00:30:52.319 --> 00:30:56.960
a brief time, Toad and his
brotherhood allied themselves with Professor Xavier to stop

433
00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:00.960
a sentient version of Cerebro, and
later the group was reorganized by Mystique,

434
00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:07.400
who brought her former lover Sabretooth onto
the team. Unfortunately, for some part

435
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:11.680
of this Brotherhood team was manipulated by
the unwilling illusion casting mutant named Mastermind into

436
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:15.519
joining x Core, which was a
new team led by the Scottish X Men

437
00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:21.240
member Banshee. He felt that the
best approach to achieve Xavier's dream of peaceful

438
00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:26.880
coexistence with humans was to have a
mutant police force regulating activities. But when

439
00:31:26.920 --> 00:31:30.920
the former Brotherhood members discovered that they
were being placated into serving on XCore,

440
00:31:30.440 --> 00:31:36.519
Mystique intervened and rescued her former Brotherhood
members. For a brief time, a

441
00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:41.599
Magneto imposter called Zorn reformed to the
Brotherhood using disillusioned students from Xavier's School for

442
00:31:41.720 --> 00:31:45.759
the Gifted, and together they tried
to take over Manhattan. They were stopped,

443
00:31:45.799 --> 00:31:51.160
however, when Wolverine decapitated Zorn.
Soon after, a former disciple of

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00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:56.400
Magnetos named Exodus formed a new Brotherhood
consisting of Sabertooth, Avalanche, Black,

445
00:31:56.440 --> 00:32:00.359
Tom Cassidy, and Juggernaut, and
they got Juggernaut placed on the X Men

446
00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:02.839
team to serve as the double Agents. However, it turned out that Juggernaut

447
00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:08.119
himself was a triple agent, secretly
aligned against their brotherhood and alongside the X

448
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:13.960
Men, who together defeated Exodus and
his team. While various incarnations of the

449
00:32:14.000 --> 00:32:17.640
Brotherhood would subsequently pop up afterward,
including those led by a Mystique and Sabretooth,

450
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:24.000
will Bring Sundacan, and Magneto's clone
Joseph. Eventually, Magneto himself remade

451
00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:30.200
Asteroid m and brought on old recruits
and new including Merrow, the former Morlock,

452
00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:35.480
Uniscion who was unis the Untouchable Zadder, and Elixir, the Mutant Healer.

453
00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:38.240
Of course, though, when mutants
established their own sovereign island nation of

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00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:44.480
Krakoa, their own seeming mutant paradise, the need for the Brotherhood lessened,

455
00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:49.759
and Magneto diverted his energy toward maintaining
the new mutant government. Now, each

456
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:54.279
of our team duels involves seven characters
going up against seven characters, because that

457
00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:59.079
is how the simulator has been set
up. In regards to the seven Brotherhood

458
00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:01.279
of Mutants characters who be fighting in
this match, I knew I wanted to

459
00:33:01.319 --> 00:33:06.119
start with the guy who started it
all, Magneto. He's taken their first

460
00:33:06.160 --> 00:33:09.119
slot as the leader because he is
hello powerful and could probably take on all

461
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:14.000
the rogues single handedly, and that
makes me smile, or so you think.

462
00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:16.880
Regarding the original Brotherhood team members,
I didn't want to go with either

463
00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:22.839
Quicksilver or Scarlet Witch because they later
issued the team's villainous ways and joined the

464
00:33:22.839 --> 00:33:27.839
Avengers, and Mastermind I didn't think
would be impressive stats wise, But Toad

465
00:33:28.119 --> 00:33:31.720
I think can be pretty formidable,
so he's my second original member in this

466
00:33:31.839 --> 00:33:36.920
match. Now, the shapeshifting mutant
Mystique has led just as many, if

467
00:33:36.920 --> 00:33:39.839
not more, incarnations of the Brotherhood
as Magneto, so I thought she would

468
00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:45.680
be a solid edition, and her
second generation of the team is probably my

469
00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:50.160
favorite of the Brotherhood incarnations. So
I brought on board Blob, Pyro and

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00:33:50.440 --> 00:33:54.039
Avalanche. For the seventh and final
slot on this group, I went with

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00:33:54.119 --> 00:33:59.079
Sabertooth, who was a more recent
member of the Brotherhood but is definitely a

472
00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:04.079
quintessential X Men bad guy who is
like impossible to kill. So that's my

473
00:34:04.119 --> 00:34:07.519
Brotherhood of Mutants roster of seven.
Magneto, Toad, Mystique, Blob,

474
00:34:07.719 --> 00:34:12.480
Pyro, Avalanche, and Sabertooth.
I think it's a great team. You

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00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:15.239
can learn more about each of those
members in their respective dual episodes. I

476
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:20.920
think they represent almost every Brotherhood incarnation, and I think they're gonna straight curb

477
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:23.800
stomp the Rogues right in their butts. Pretty sure that's not how curb stomping

478
00:34:23.880 --> 00:34:29.000
works. But I do like your
team for the Brotherhood of Mutants. I

479
00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:31.719
think it's a solid lineup of classic
X Men villains. Yeah. I really

480
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:37.559
wanted to squeeze the Juggernaut into this
lineup, but you and the executive producers

481
00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:40.280
wouldn't let me because all the DC
guys are scared of the Juggernaut. And

482
00:34:40.599 --> 00:34:44.920
I guess it kind of made sense
considering he's not really a mutant. His

483
00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:47.840
powers are magic based, so it
was always weird every time he was on

484
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:51.920
that team. Yeah, yeah,
it does makes sense. But let me

485
00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:54.320
go over the backstory of the Rogues
and I think you'll get a better idea

486
00:34:54.719 --> 00:35:00.320
of why they are a better team
and are more likely to win. Now

487
00:35:00.400 --> 00:35:04.159
during the Silver Age of comics,
the Flash Barry Ellen, who you can

488
00:35:04.199 --> 00:35:08.840
learn more about on our Flash Versus
Quicksilver episode, accidentally discovered the multiverse when

489
00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:15.239
he vibrated his molecules at an alternative
frequency to his own dimension and ended up

490
00:35:15.320 --> 00:35:19.800
on Earth too, where he met
the Flash Jay Garrick, who you can

491
00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:22.800
learn more about in our Flash Versus
Electro episode. After the two met,

492
00:35:23.119 --> 00:35:28.719
they began teaming up and helping each
other in their respective adventures, putting their

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00:35:28.800 --> 00:35:34.679
rogues gallery of villains at an even
greater disadvantage. During a costumed charity ball,

494
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:38.119
Barry decided to attend dressed as the
Flash, though a couple of his

495
00:35:38.320 --> 00:35:44.400
villains decided to do the same,
namely Captain Cold and Trickster, who were

496
00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:49.519
individually determined to steal the charitable donations
at the ball. When Captain Cold and

497
00:35:49.559 --> 00:35:53.119
Trickster caught each other and realized they
had the same plan, they began to

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00:35:53.280 --> 00:35:59.760
argue, attracting the attention of Barry
and Jay, who had recently arrived.

499
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:05.519
Realizing neither of them could take on
two Flashes individually, Captain Cold and Trickster

500
00:36:05.679 --> 00:36:10.079
began working together like their opponents.
This was the very first instance of Flash

501
00:36:10.199 --> 00:36:15.440
villains timmy up, and it worked
together. Captain Cold and Trickster were able

502
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:20.840
to tramp the two Flashes and escape
with the loots. Though the villains were

503
00:36:20.920 --> 00:36:24.440
later captured, their prior success would
serve as a precedence that the Flash could

504
00:36:24.480 --> 00:36:30.760
indeed be defeated through teamwork. Not
long after, Gorilla Grod, who you

505
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:35.039
can learn more about on our Gorilla
Grod Versus Siloc episode, broke six of

506
00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:38.480
the Flashes of villains out of prison
in order to distract the Flash and drain

507
00:36:38.599 --> 00:36:43.360
his speed. While Grod worked on
his plan to take over the world with

508
00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:49.480
a Gorilla army. Those villains Captain
Cold Heatwave, Mirror Master, Captain Boomerang,

509
00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:52.440
Pipe Piper, and the Top you
can learn all about in their respective

510
00:36:52.480 --> 00:36:58.159
dual episodes. They attacked the Flash
and were nearly successful in killing him,

511
00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:00.880
were it not for the fact that
the trap led him to the second floor

512
00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:06.119
of a building, and when they
all fired their weapons on the Flash simultaneously,

513
00:37:06.480 --> 00:37:10.280
they erroneously thought they disintegrated him,
when in reality, he phased through

514
00:37:10.320 --> 00:37:15.079
the ground to the first floor and
ran away. When the group next encountered

515
00:37:15.079 --> 00:37:20.800
the Flash, he used their weapons
against them, after which God's plan was

516
00:37:20.920 --> 00:37:25.360
thwarted. Imprisoned once again, the
villains nonetheless realized to their strength and numbers

517
00:37:25.400 --> 00:37:30.079
and formed not so much a team
but an alliance or club, bound by

518
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:35.519
a set of rules created by Captain
Cold in order to maximize their success and

519
00:37:35.760 --> 00:37:39.800
profits, rules to avoid killing and
drug use in order to reduce attention to

520
00:37:39.840 --> 00:37:45.800
themselves. Unlike many supervillains, the
Flash's rogues are blue collar. They're not

521
00:37:45.840 --> 00:37:50.960
out to destroy cities or rule the
world. They're merely trying to earn a

522
00:37:51.000 --> 00:37:55.480
living, albeit through robbery and burglary. Over the years, different Flash villains

523
00:37:55.599 --> 00:38:00.760
rotated in and out of the robes, either while some were prisoned or some

524
00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:05.760
found it difficult to follow the rules. Other early members included Weather Wizard,

525
00:38:05.920 --> 00:38:10.920
Trickster, Aber Cadavera, Golden Glider, and the Rainbow Raider. Around this

526
00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:15.800
time, members of the Justice League
began secretly erasing the memories or altering the

527
00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:22.599
personalities of several villains, including the
Top. After the death of Barry Allen

528
00:38:22.679 --> 00:38:27.719
during the Crisis on Infinite Earth's event
merged the DC Comics multiverse into one universe,

529
00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:31.800
the Rogues, who largely respected the
Flash, disbanded for a time.

530
00:38:32.280 --> 00:38:37.199
Eventually, five members, Captain Coles, Captain Boomerang, Heatwave, Mirror Master,

531
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:43.760
and Weather Wizard were convinced by aber
Cadabra to blow up five seemingly random

532
00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:50.000
sites simultaneously across the United States.
Unbeknownst to the Rogues, Abra had made

533
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:53.360
a deal with a demon, Neuron
to free him from Hell with the explosions,

534
00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:58.920
which formed a pentagram. The Rogues
died in the explosions and went to

535
00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:02.480
Hell, while other villains on Earth
were offered deals with the devil to gain

536
00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:07.679
increased power, which many of them
took. One of those villains, the

537
00:39:07.760 --> 00:39:12.519
Trickster, was able to deduce Neuron's
weakness, however, which helped in his

538
00:39:12.639 --> 00:39:15.599
defeat, and the Flash now Wally
West, who you can learn more about

539
00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:20.519
in our Flash versus Speedball episode,
was able to get the Rogues who had

540
00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:23.239
died out of Hell, with many
of them frightened by their time in Hell

541
00:39:23.599 --> 00:39:30.119
or unknowingly psychically manipulated by the top
into reforming, the Rogues disbanded once again,

542
00:39:30.639 --> 00:39:36.440
a new villain, Blacksmith, formed
her own Rogues team, one much

543
00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:42.760
more violent, consisting of weather Wizard, Mirrormaster, Magenta, Murmur, Girder,

544
00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:47.159
Plunder, and a new younger version
of Trickster. When Blacksmith's plan for

545
00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:52.559
her Rogues to kill the Flash failed, the ever loyal Captain Cold emerged and

546
00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:58.639
helped Weather Wizard, Trickster, and
Mirror Master escaped the Speedster. When Wally

547
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:04.199
West discovered that Mary Ellen and Zatanna
had altered the personality of the Top and

548
00:40:04.280 --> 00:40:08.239
tried to restore the villain's mind,
the Top revealed his own manipulations of other

549
00:40:08.320 --> 00:40:14.559
rogues just as a war broke out
between two factions. Captain Cold's rogues,

550
00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:19.280
consisting of him, Mirrormaster, Weather
Wizard, the Young Trickster, and a

551
00:40:19.360 --> 00:40:24.679
new younger Captain Boomerang against the team
of reformed rogues, which included the Trickster,

552
00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:30.480
Heatwave, Magenta, and Pied Piper, many of which actually worked for

553
00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:35.599
the FBI during the time. The
war ended when the Top undid his psychic

554
00:40:35.679 --> 00:40:40.039
manipulations on the reformed rogues and tried
to kill them all with his own rogues

555
00:40:40.079 --> 00:40:45.559
team consisting of Girder, Murmur,
Plunder, Double Down, and Tarpit all

556
00:40:45.760 --> 00:40:51.559
psychically under the Top's control. Captain
Cold was able to defeat the Top,

557
00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:55.039
however, and the rogues team became
stronger than ever After the ordeal, The

558
00:40:55.119 --> 00:41:00.280
rogues were later approached by Inertia,
a clone of bart to Ellen aka Impulse,

559
00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:05.719
who you can learn more about in
our Impulse Versus Speed episode. Inotia

560
00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:08.920
made the Rogues believe that he had
created a machine capable of stopping time,

561
00:41:09.280 --> 00:41:15.480
when in reality it would drain the
newest Flash where Ellen of his speed force

562
00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:21.280
power temporarily. When the machine worked
successfully, the Rogues, consisting of Captain

563
00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:24.800
Cold, Heatwave, Weather Wizard,
Abercadabra, Mirrormaster, Trickster, and Pipe

564
00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:30.119
Piper, were forced to kill the
Flash before his power returned. Realizing they

565
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:35.159
were tricked into killing a young version
of the Flash, they went on the

566
00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:39.679
run, hunted by the authorities and
the superhero community at large. Caught an

567
00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:45.440
imprisoned on the planet of Salvation along
with Earth's other supervillains, they eventually made

568
00:41:45.440 --> 00:41:50.400
their way back to Earth and got
their revenge on Inertia, who not before

569
00:41:50.440 --> 00:41:55.239
he killed weather Wizard's son. The
team nearly disbanded afterward until they learned that

570
00:41:55.280 --> 00:42:00.480
Barry Ellen had returned from the dead. In post Flashpoint continuity, the Rogues

571
00:42:00.559 --> 00:42:05.159
began as a tight knit group who, at the urging of Captain Cold,

572
00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:10.199
underwent an experimental procedure to merge their
weaponry with their bodies Golden Glider, Mirror

573
00:42:10.280 --> 00:42:15.440
Master, Weather Wizard, and Heatwave
suffered unbearable side effects as a result,

574
00:42:15.679 --> 00:42:20.559
and tried to kill Captain Cold and
revenge, though he and the Flash were

575
00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:25.760
eventually able to reverse the process.
Recently, Central City Mayor Gregory Wolf released

576
00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:31.159
the Rogues from jail and deputized each
member into the police department to help defend

577
00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:35.920
the city from the Lords of Order. Now, for my restor of Rogues,

578
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:37.639
it wasn't too much of a challenge
to come up with, as the

579
00:42:37.679 --> 00:42:44.639
team membership has remained relatively consistent over
the years. Captain Cold as the team

580
00:42:44.760 --> 00:42:49.159
leader was a no brainer, as
was Mirror Master, a member of the

581
00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:53.599
original team. Weather Wizard has been
a powerful team mainstay since its early years,

582
00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:59.559
as has various incarnations of the Trickster. No Pipe Piper has been an

583
00:42:59.599 --> 00:43:02.920
ally of the Flash for much of
his career. He was an original rogue

584
00:43:04.079 --> 00:43:07.199
and it's been a part of the
team for many of their defining moments,

585
00:43:07.440 --> 00:43:10.440
so I decided to include him,
Though I could have gone with Captain Boomerang

586
00:43:10.639 --> 00:43:15.320
or Heatwave for my sixth and seventh
team members in this match, since both

587
00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:21.360
are original and recurring members of the
team. Captain Boomerang was already a member

588
00:43:21.400 --> 00:43:25.239
of my Suicide Squad roster, and
Heatwave didn't have the power necessary to compete

589
00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:30.800
against a team as powerful as the
Brotherhood of Munants, especially when you know

590
00:43:30.840 --> 00:43:35.239
they're going up against Pyro, and
Pyro would just totally wallop Heatwave. You

591
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:38.599
know, probably I'm not gonna lie
since you know Pyro can control all a

592
00:43:38.599 --> 00:43:43.400
few waves flames. Now, when
Captain Boomerang is not on the team,

593
00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:49.079
Aberk Dabra often serves as a substitute. I found and deciding I'd need some

594
00:43:49.199 --> 00:43:52.400
kind of speechter on my team,
I'm going with the original Rogue team member,

595
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:57.679
the Top, as my seventh member. So that's the team. Captain,

596
00:43:57.719 --> 00:44:02.440
Cold Mirror, Master Weather was Trickster, Pied Piper, Abrick Dabra,

597
00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:07.360
and the Top. You're going down. Yeah, a great match of for

598
00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:12.159
formidable villains with some of the lamest
names in villain history. More than the

599
00:44:12.239 --> 00:44:19.360
Blob, better than a Rainbow Raider. He's not my roster for that very

600
00:44:19.480 --> 00:44:24.159
reason. But now that we've got
these teams, histories and rosters out of

601
00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:28.599
the way, let's speculate on how
one of these simulated matches will go.

602
00:44:29.039 --> 00:44:32.280
The winning team is determined by simulations, not the speculation. But it's fun

603
00:44:32.320 --> 00:44:36.559
to imagine how the fight could play
out. Alfred Jarvis, nine thousand.

604
00:44:36.800 --> 00:44:39.800
What are the rules of the speculation? Well, I should say there are

605
00:44:39.800 --> 00:44:44.639
no rules other than the teams have
no prior knowledge of the other going into

606
00:44:44.679 --> 00:44:47.400
the fight. All they are aware
of starting out is that the other side

607
00:44:47.480 --> 00:44:52.480
is a threat that needs to be
eliminated. For the speculation, the groups

608
00:44:52.480 --> 00:44:57.360
will begin approximately fifty meters apart in
a nondescript environment that will have no bearing

609
00:44:57.360 --> 00:45:00.159
on the match itself, as no
environmental st his sticks are considered in my

610
00:45:00.239 --> 00:45:05.599
simulations. The teams must earn victory
on their own merit. All right,

611
00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:08.480
then let's get into it. The
Rogues and their Brotherhood of Mutants meet on

612
00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:13.119
the battlefield. Who goes first?
This is the first team duel in a

613
00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:16.199
while where there's like no super speedsters. Right, Yeah, I guess Top

614
00:45:16.400 --> 00:45:21.159
is a super speedster. Right.
But I think with the Rogues as a

615
00:45:21.199 --> 00:45:22.360
whole, I think they're more in
sync, and I think they would actually

616
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:27.880
wait and see what the other side
would do and then respond accordingly, Whereas

617
00:45:27.960 --> 00:45:31.760
like the Brotherhood has some members that
would just go for it, like particularly,

618
00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:36.639
I think Sabertooth, who wouldn't give
a shit about caution and just like

619
00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:40.559
sprint straightforward ahead like a rabbit cheetah
and kind of like scatter the rogues as

620
00:45:40.599 --> 00:45:44.760
they try to get out of his
way of being pounced. I don't know

621
00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:47.440
if I agree with you entirely,
but you're probably right that, like,

622
00:45:47.719 --> 00:45:52.360
the rogues are no dummies, and
I could see them like starting out with

623
00:45:52.400 --> 00:45:55.559
some defensive tactics and their playbook.
And of course the best defense is a

624
00:45:55.559 --> 00:46:00.480
good offense. So Captain Cold's going
to fire his gun to sap Sabertooth's thermal

625
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:06.719
motion and just freeze him in place. And then the Top, who is

626
00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:10.599
a speedster, He's going to roll
out a volley of explosive tops that wind

627
00:46:10.679 --> 00:46:15.920
their way over really fast to each
of the Brotherhood and blow them up like

628
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:20.159
garnaids. All right, Well,
the Brotherhood knows that the best offense is

629
00:46:20.199 --> 00:46:24.880
a good defense, and these grenade
tops never reach them because Avalanche sees them

630
00:46:24.880 --> 00:46:29.800
approaching, and he's gonna send out
seismic waves into the battlefield that's going to

631
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:34.320
break up the ground, causing these
explosive tops to bounce off course. And

632
00:46:34.559 --> 00:46:37.280
fall over and pyro. He's going
to get to work right away, thying

633
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:43.679
Sabertooth out by putting him in like
this firebox like a hot oven that unfreezes

634
00:46:43.719 --> 00:46:49.360
Sabertooth. And then Toad is going
to leap over to pipe piper and wrap

635
00:46:49.440 --> 00:46:52.519
up his flute arm with his prehensile
tongue, and it's going to keep him

636
00:46:52.519 --> 00:46:55.199
from playing his flute. I mean, pipe piper doesn't need his flute to

637
00:46:55.320 --> 00:47:00.960
make music and waves, so you
know, he's just gonna pull his arm

638
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:05.599
back so that Toad's tongue is like
super taut like a guitar string, and

639
00:47:05.639 --> 00:47:09.159
that he's just gonna like pluck it
and like create a music note that's gonna

640
00:47:09.159 --> 00:47:15.599
reverberate like at this frequency. That's
gonna cause Toad to like immediately become sick

641
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:19.840
and just like puke his guts out. You don't want Toad to get sick,

642
00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:23.559
dude, because like his barf probably
contains that sticky resin that he secretes,

643
00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:28.519
and that would be like dangerous to
the rogues. So yeah, yeah,

644
00:47:28.679 --> 00:47:34.559
Toad barf's all over pie Piper,
who then becomes paralyzed and like delusional

645
00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:38.000
from the toxic pheromone that's in toad
saliva. Okay, pie Piper, he's

646
00:47:38.000 --> 00:47:42.559
out for the moment. But meanwhile, Trickster, he's gonna you know,

647
00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:45.559
run on air over to the blob, who's you know, gonna probably try

648
00:47:45.599 --> 00:47:49.679
and swat him out of the air. But Trickster he's just too agile and

649
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:52.159
too quick, and he's gonna throw
a stink bomb at the blob, which

650
00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:55.960
is gonna cause him to like suffocate
and pass out from the horrible stench.

651
00:47:58.400 --> 00:48:01.239
Blob could probably use his skin as
like nose plugs because his skin is you

652
00:48:01.280 --> 00:48:06.119
know, like kind of stretchy and
malleable, to kind of close up his

653
00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:10.440
nostrils so he doesn't smell the stink
bomb. And the Blob catches Trickster by

654
00:48:10.480 --> 00:48:14.719
surprise by snatching him out of the
air and his giant fist and then just

655
00:48:14.840 --> 00:48:17.679
slamming that little torp into the floor. Okay, but like before Blob can

656
00:48:17.760 --> 00:48:23.840
slam Trickster, Abracadabra is gonna use
the futuristic circuitry in his suit to teleport

657
00:48:23.880 --> 00:48:29.599
over to Blob and like wrap him
up in a series of metal linking rings,

658
00:48:29.760 --> 00:48:32.760
like binding his neck in his arms
and his limbs and the rings are

659
00:48:32.760 --> 00:48:37.880
gonna shrink to like slowly squeeze the
blob to death. What what kind of

660
00:48:37.960 --> 00:48:42.360
rings did you say these were?
Like the what magicians use those? Metal?

661
00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:45.599
Sorry? Metal? What I was
waiting for that word to pop up.

662
00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:52.199
So, like, Magneto detects these
metal linking rings that Ebra is using,

663
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:59.320
and he's gonna rescue blob by expanding
the rings and then forming them into

664
00:48:59.480 --> 00:49:04.920
one long metal spear that he's just
gonna send right through Abracadabra impaling the gay.

665
00:49:05.119 --> 00:49:07.039
No, but I mean like Abra, he has a really quick reaction

666
00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:12.079
time with his magic, so he's
gonna see the spear coming at him,

667
00:49:12.239 --> 00:49:16.280
and he's just gonna go intangible before
appears as him. Meanwhile, Weather Wizard,

668
00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:22.119
he's gonna summon like a thick fog
that's gonna cover the entire battlefield,

669
00:49:22.159 --> 00:49:24.920
so like no one can see and
like all of the action just kind of

670
00:49:24.960 --> 00:49:30.599
stops because everyone's blinded. And when
the fog lifts, everyone's just going to

671
00:49:30.639 --> 00:49:34.519
see that there are like a bunch
of mirror Master duplicates around the perimeter of

672
00:49:34.559 --> 00:49:37.360
the field, and each one is
going to be holding a mirror positioned at

673
00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:42.719
a specific angle and that's when the
real Mirror Master is going to fire his

674
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:45.719
laser gun, and that laser is
gonna ricochet between each of the mirrors and

675
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:51.679
in a way that like blasts each
member of the Brotherhood. Oh damn Chambo.

676
00:49:52.480 --> 00:49:58.480
But okay, so each Brotherhood member
gets blasted, but you know,

677
00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:02.800
Blob wouldn't be phased. Sabertooth has
a healing factor, so that wouldn't really

678
00:50:02.880 --> 00:50:07.239
matter too much to him. Magneto
can protect himself with a force field.

679
00:50:07.639 --> 00:50:13.519
But yeah, the rest get blasted
by this laser, except one of the

680
00:50:13.639 --> 00:50:19.519
Mirror Master duplicates suddenly drops their mirror
and then turns and shoots the real Mirror

681
00:50:19.519 --> 00:50:23.920
Master with an energy blaster. Because
it was secretly Mystique all along, who

682
00:50:24.159 --> 00:50:29.519
was onto Mirror Master's plan, I'm
sorry how well it was like a combo

683
00:50:29.639 --> 00:50:32.800
between Mirror Master and Weather Wizards,
So I figured there was some kind of

684
00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:37.119
communication on the battlefield where Mirrormaster's like, hey, drops some cloud cover,

685
00:50:37.199 --> 00:50:42.079
I'm gonna surround them with my mirror
copies. So Mystique spied on them and

686
00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:45.199
learned this because she was disguised as
like I don't know, Pie Piper or

687
00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:50.159
someone, And when the fog rolled
in mystique changed her eyes into reptile eyes,

688
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:54.079
which can see an infrared. So
she joined the mirror duplicates, and

689
00:50:54.159 --> 00:50:58.159
she probably knew that some of her
teammates were going to get shot, but

690
00:50:58.239 --> 00:51:00.719
she used the opportunity to get a
shot off in a mirrormaster's chest. Well

691
00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:07.280
that is the flashback there, bro, And like while everyone's kind of like

692
00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:12.239
processing what just went down, Sabretooth
pounces on the top. No, because

693
00:51:12.320 --> 00:51:16.159
like the top he's gonna spin his
body around and like the centrifugal force is

694
00:51:16.199 --> 00:51:21.360
just gonna knock Sabretooth away, and
the top's gonna keep spinning and he's gonna

695
00:51:21.440 --> 00:51:25.440
like whirlwind himself over to Toad,
who you know, tries to leap away

696
00:51:25.519 --> 00:51:30.719
but he can't because the top like
warps his sense of direction. He gives

697
00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:35.039
him vertigo, and that's when he's
gonna grab Toad's tongue and just spin him

698
00:51:35.079 --> 00:51:37.639
around really fast, using give him
like a wrecking ball to knock down other

699
00:51:37.679 --> 00:51:43.199
members of the Brotherhood. Wouldn't Toad
just puke again if he has vertigo and

700
00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:45.920
he's spinning around, No, because
like the centrifugal force of him being swung

701
00:51:45.960 --> 00:51:51.280
around by his tongue, is just
gonna keep it in his stomach. I

702
00:51:51.280 --> 00:51:54.599
guess you're right. Okay, Well, Avalanche is gonna do to Top the

703
00:51:54.639 --> 00:52:00.360
same thing he did to his tops, his explosive ones, and just going

704
00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:04.719
to send a giant seismic wave of
earth at the Top that's gonna like trip

705
00:52:04.800 --> 00:52:08.159
him up while he's spinning and force
him to drop Toad and before Top can

706
00:52:08.239 --> 00:52:13.679
spin again, to double kicks the
guy right in the nards with his powerful

707
00:52:13.760 --> 00:52:17.320
legs, and that's gonna induce his
own form of vertigo in the Top.

708
00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:22.800
And while that's going on, Pyro
is gonna be back on his feet and

709
00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:27.880
he's gonna create a giant bull made
out of flame, and it's gonna run

710
00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:31.000
over weather Wizard and just trample and
burn him. I mean, first of

711
00:52:31.039 --> 00:52:35.000
all, like weather Wizard is probably
in the air, so he's not getting

712
00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:38.400
trampled. In second, you know, once he sees this fiery apparition,

713
00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:45.239
he's gonna create like a torrential rain
that douses the bull and Pyro in water,

714
00:52:45.800 --> 00:52:51.000
preventing Pyro from generating like any fire
for a time. And Trickster he's

715
00:52:51.039 --> 00:52:53.760
gonna take advantage of the moment,
and he's gonna use like a giant novelty

716
00:52:53.960 --> 00:52:59.880
pair of scissors to cut the fuel
lines to Pyro's flamethrowers, like robbing him

717
00:53:00.320 --> 00:53:05.480
of his fuel source. And with
Pyro like unable to use his power can

718
00:53:05.559 --> 00:53:08.400
create any fire, Trickster, He's
just gonna ram the scissors into Pyro's chest,

719
00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:14.559
killing him. Holy shit, robsters
like that lethal. I mean in

720
00:53:14.639 --> 00:53:19.480
this match, he is okay.
So Pyro gets stabbed with novelty scissors,

721
00:53:19.480 --> 00:53:21.960
which is a stupid way to go, but I guess he's the first to

722
00:53:22.039 --> 00:53:28.199
drop in this match. But if
Trickster cut the fuel lines to Pyro's flamethrower,

723
00:53:28.239 --> 00:53:30.920
he's gonna be standing in a puddle
of gasoline. And Mystique is going

724
00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:35.840
to notice this, and she's gonna
lob over one of the skull grenades on

725
00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:39.239
her belts and that's just going to
ignite the fuel and burn Trickster alive to

726
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:44.360
death, a victim of his own
prank. So Trickster's out, okay,

727
00:53:44.480 --> 00:53:49.360
and then Blob is going to pick
up Sabertooth, kind of taking a lesson

728
00:53:49.480 --> 00:53:53.960
from their X Men enemies, Blob
is gonna fastball special Sabertooth throwing him right

729
00:53:54.000 --> 00:53:59.000
into Abracadabra, and the Sabertooth is
gonna slash the shit out of the guy

730
00:53:59.280 --> 00:54:04.960
and tear up all the teleportation circuitry
in his suit and cause Abracadebra to bleed

731
00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:07.559
out from all these slash wounds on
his stomach and chest. Damn okay,

732
00:54:07.639 --> 00:54:13.360
I mean, like in a desperate
response, though, Abra's gonna bombard Sabertooth

733
00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:17.639
with temporal energy that ages him decades, like centuries, even until he's a

734
00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:22.760
frail skeleton that just crumbles into dust, after which you know, Abra's going

735
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:28.360
to conjure bandages that cover his wounds. And as for the Blob, like

736
00:54:28.480 --> 00:54:32.880
right after hurling Sabertooth, he's gonna
slip and fall right on his face because

737
00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:38.159
Captain cold freezes the ground all around
him, removing all the friction and preventing

738
00:54:38.199 --> 00:54:43.079
the blob from getting back up.
Oh that's interesting. So Blob tries to

739
00:54:43.079 --> 00:54:45.800
get back to his feet but can't, so he's kind of just like lying

740
00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:52.880
there, unable to do anything.
It's too slippery. But Toad is gonna

741
00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:55.880
use the blob as like a trampoline
because like, the bob is rubbery and

742
00:54:57.199 --> 00:55:00.360
he's gonna jump off of him really
high up into the a and he's gonna

743
00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:06.159
land with a hard smack right on
top of Mirror Master, just crushing and

744
00:55:06.199 --> 00:55:08.400
flattening him to death, kind of
like how he did in the first X

745
00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:13.360
Men movie. Okay, except that
while Toad was high in the air,

746
00:55:13.880 --> 00:55:16.280
you know where weather Wizard is,
Like, weather Wizard is going to just

747
00:55:16.440 --> 00:55:21.199
zap him with like this giant bolt
of lightning. Do you know what happens

748
00:55:21.199 --> 00:55:23.800
to a toad when it's struck by
lightning? Don't say it the same thing

749
00:55:23.840 --> 00:55:30.239
that happens to everything else. I
don't even know what that means. Let

750
00:55:30.239 --> 00:55:35.360
means he crooks, Toad is dead
whatever? All right. Meanwhile, Avalanche

751
00:55:35.639 --> 00:55:37.400
is going to help Blob out,
who still can't get back to his feet.

752
00:55:37.519 --> 00:55:43.320
He's going to create a seismic blast
that causes the ground beneath the ice

753
00:55:43.400 --> 00:55:45.719
that Blob is on. It's going
to launch that piece of earth like a

754
00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:51.519
couple of stories into the air and
Blob with it. So now Blob is

755
00:55:51.599 --> 00:55:54.599
falling from a couple of stories high
now, and as he's falling, he's

756
00:55:54.599 --> 00:56:00.440
going to increase his personal gravity so
quickly by so much that he's gonna land

757
00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:05.239
back onto the battlefield with the force
of a meteor, right onto the top,

758
00:56:05.519 --> 00:56:09.599
smushing in and basically disintegrating the guy. Okay, but as Blob is

759
00:56:09.719 --> 00:56:14.800
falling, Mirror Master is gonna blast
him with his mirror gun that's going to

760
00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:19.840
transform him into glass. So when
he lands, yeah, he kills the

761
00:56:19.880 --> 00:56:24.280
top, but you know, his
formerly unbridgable skin now shatters into a million

762
00:56:24.360 --> 00:56:30.800
pieces, so Blob is dead too. Meanwhile, Mystique approaches Avalanche and she's

763
00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:35.400
like, I have this plan to
defeat these guys, and Avalanche is like

764
00:56:35.760 --> 00:56:39.480
okay, but then out of nowhere, Mistique straight up stabs Avalanche in the

765
00:56:39.599 --> 00:56:44.679
neck, killing him. Well,
you can't say that I control my guys,

766
00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:47.599
no, But as it turns out, she was under the hypnotic control

767
00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:52.639
of the Pied Piper. Oh I
forgot about that guy, Pied Piper,

768
00:56:52.000 --> 00:56:57.159
who you know obviously recovered from his
paralysis by this point from the Toad.

769
00:56:57.679 --> 00:57:00.840
So Mystique kills Avalanche and she's like, oh shit, what did I just

770
00:57:01.039 --> 00:57:06.480
do? And she's gonna go into
camouflage stealth mode to make sure that she

771
00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:10.519
doesn't get noticed and mind controlled again. And since she's hidden she's gonna sneak

772
00:57:10.559 --> 00:57:15.400
up behind Abracadabra and snap his neck, so now he's out of the match.

773
00:57:15.800 --> 00:57:20.360
Snap his neck, yeah, I
mean she'd actually just pull his head

774
00:57:20.559 --> 00:57:23.039
right off, and like she's gonna
look at it and it's a puppet head.

775
00:57:23.360 --> 00:57:27.760
And that's when like Abra's real head
is gonna pop up from behind his

776
00:57:27.920 --> 00:57:30.719
cape and with like a wave of
his wand he's gonna turn a mystique into

777
00:57:30.760 --> 00:57:37.400
a fucking blueberry. You can't sneak
up on a guy with futuristic sensors,

778
00:57:37.719 --> 00:57:43.039
rigged throws outfit for like psychic effect. Okay, so how many guys do

779
00:57:43.079 --> 00:57:47.480
you have left? I have everyone
except for Trickster and Top, and you

780
00:57:47.559 --> 00:57:53.280
have you just have Magneto. Well, I guess it's a shame that Trickster

781
00:57:53.360 --> 00:57:58.000
and Top weren't still around so that
this could be a fair fight. What

782
00:57:58.400 --> 00:58:04.159
because Magneto, who was spent like
this entire match detecting all of the robes

783
00:58:04.320 --> 00:58:08.239
weapons and tools and all the metal
within their stuff, He's just gonna straight

784
00:58:08.320 --> 00:58:12.800
up taunt the robes. He's gonna
be like, what a bunch of pathetic

785
00:58:12.920 --> 00:58:15.920
human weaklings who ain't shit. Yeah, he's gonna see it that like right

786
00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:22.960
before getting blasted by lightning and lasers
and sonic waves and cold just fucking everything,

787
00:58:23.239 --> 00:58:27.719
and you know he dies really Oh
no, like, what is Magneto

788
00:58:27.800 --> 00:58:31.400
gonna do against the energy force field? Bitch blocks all of it, and

789
00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:37.840
then he magnetically grabs pie Piper's flute
and sends that thing right through Captain Cole's

790
00:58:37.880 --> 00:58:40.199
head. Well, oh, no
time reversal, no more force field.

791
00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:46.199
Yeah, how's Abracadabra going to reverse
time when his metal wand is a weather

792
00:58:46.199 --> 00:58:52.360
wizard's ass. And speaking of weather
wizard, you know that nifty metal staff

793
00:58:52.360 --> 00:58:54.960
he has no Yeah, that thing's
turning into like a spinning soblade that just

794
00:58:55.000 --> 00:59:00.559
slices Pipe Piper in two and Abercadabra
and Mirror Master are like, oh shit,

795
00:59:00.840 --> 00:59:02.559
this is some horror movie. Shit
man, let's get the fuck out

796
00:59:02.559 --> 00:59:07.320
of here. And Magneto's like roan
punk asses and all like the metal circuitry

797
00:59:07.320 --> 00:59:13.360
in Abricadabra suit, it's gonna get
compressed into a ball, just crushing Abracadabra

798
00:59:13.519 --> 00:59:15.840
inside of it. And then to
finish Mirror Maaster off, he's gonna take

799
00:59:15.880 --> 00:59:22.280
the freeze gun from Captain Cold's dead
body and he's gonna telekinetically shoot it at

800
00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:27.719
Mirror Master. Freezing came to death
match over well, okay, so Mirror

801
00:59:27.760 --> 00:59:32.599
Master. He falls to the ground
and shatters right now. Magneto thinks it's

802
00:59:32.639 --> 00:59:37.840
because he was frozen been reality.
That was a glass clone. Oh my

803
00:59:37.880 --> 00:59:42.719
god, tell me what is Magneto's
helmet made of metal? Shiny metal?

804
00:59:43.559 --> 00:59:49.480
No, not shiny, it's reflective, all right. So Mirrormaster is hiding

805
00:59:49.599 --> 00:59:54.000
within the helmet via mirror World,
and just as Magneto thinks he's won,

806
00:59:54.400 --> 01:00:00.559
that's when Mirrormaster reaches out for Magneto's
helmet and fires mirror portals that just like

807
01:00:00.679 --> 01:00:06.079
surround Magneto and traps him with the
Mirror World, leaving Mirror Master the only

808
01:00:06.079 --> 01:00:10.679
one capable of returning to the battlefield, making Kim this matches champion. Fuck

809
01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:15.079
Mirror World, dude, but do
you know what mirrors are made out of?

810
01:00:15.480 --> 01:00:22.159
Glass? Glass, and metal?
Because glass on its own is refractive,

811
01:00:22.320 --> 01:00:25.519
not reflective. You need that metal
backing behind it. So if Magnetos

812
01:00:25.519 --> 01:00:29.920
and Mirror World, you just gave
him access to all the metal he would

813
01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:35.119
ever need. So he's gonna escape
by warping mirror World and creating a portal

814
01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:37.880
out of it, and with him
he pulls like a shit ton of metal

815
01:00:38.239 --> 01:00:45.639
and just shrapnels Mirror Master to death. Dude, Magneto can't open mirror portals

816
01:00:45.679 --> 01:00:47.920
just because he controls metal. Again, he's a master of metal. He

817
01:00:47.920 --> 01:00:52.800
could do whatever the fuck he wants. Either way, as long as a

818
01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:55.480
metal is shiny, Mirror Master will
find a way to win. You mean,

819
01:00:55.800 --> 01:01:00.519
as long as mirrors are made of
metal, Magneto will find a way

820
01:01:00.519 --> 01:01:02.840
to win. No, Well,
I guess we'll go ahead and leave the

821
01:01:02.880 --> 01:01:07.199
match there. Let's run the stats
on these characters and find out which scenario

822
01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:13.880
happens. Either Mirror Master gets the
best of Magneto in Mirror World or Magneto

823
01:01:13.920 --> 01:01:16.440
gets the best of mirror Master in
Mirror World. Pretty sure I know which

824
01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:20.880
one of those is happening. Let's
find out. A. J. Punchett

825
01:01:21.280 --> 01:01:27.599
in putting data, running calculations,
processing results, simulations complete. All right,

826
01:01:27.599 --> 01:01:30.159
that was a pretty fun matchup,
I thought. I thought it went

827
01:01:30.199 --> 01:01:32.599
pretty well. I mean, except
for the ending. Either those are pretty

828
01:01:32.599 --> 01:01:37.039
good ending. I already knew that
pretty much Magneto was gonna make it to

829
01:01:37.039 --> 01:01:42.039
the end. Of this match because
he was definitely the best statistically out of

830
01:01:42.079 --> 01:01:46.719
both teams, and after running all
the simulations, Magneto one ninety percent of

831
01:01:46.800 --> 01:01:52.400
all his matches against the Rogues.
Now you know the rest of the Brotherhood

832
01:01:52.400 --> 01:01:55.760
didn't fair nearly as well. Magneto
definitely carried the team. Yeah, he

833
01:01:55.880 --> 01:02:00.559
was absolutely, by far the most
powerful character. It wasn't even close.

834
01:02:00.760 --> 01:02:05.719
My most powerful character was Abracadabra,
so I thought he was going to survive

835
01:02:05.840 --> 01:02:08.719
till the end, But Mirror Master
was very tricky. Yeah, Abercadabra won

836
01:02:08.920 --> 01:02:14.000
like about three fourths of all of
his matches against the Brotherhood. And actually

837
01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:19.119
none of the Rogues lost more than
two thirds of their matches about They all

838
01:02:19.199 --> 01:02:22.719
kind of bounced in between winning a
third of their matches. Top and Mirror

839
01:02:22.719 --> 01:02:25.599
Master one about half, and weather
Wizard won about two thirds of his matches.

840
01:02:25.960 --> 01:02:31.440
The only other Brotherhood of Mutants character
to have a net positive win rate

841
01:02:31.840 --> 01:02:36.840
was Mystique and Avalanche, who both
won just over half of their matches.

842
01:02:37.159 --> 01:02:40.119
It looks like Pyro was the biggest
loser of all the simulations. He only

843
01:02:40.119 --> 01:02:44.360
had a win rate of about a
quarter of his matches. Yeah, he

844
01:02:44.440 --> 01:02:47.440
was kind of my weak link,
but it kind of makes sense considering he's

845
01:02:47.480 --> 01:02:51.480
a little bit of a one trick
pony. There's a lot of people on

846
01:02:51.519 --> 01:02:54.360
the Rogues, including Weather Wizard,
Captain Cold, you know, Abracadabra could

847
01:02:54.360 --> 01:02:58.199
probably do it. They could all
pretty much find ways to stop these fire

848
01:02:58.239 --> 01:03:00.719
constructs. I was actually a pretty
surprised that. I definitely thought Piro would

849
01:03:00.719 --> 01:03:05.039
have won more of his matches.
He's still pretty powerful. He's no slouch,

850
01:03:05.320 --> 01:03:07.679
but really none of these guys are
slouches. And having said that,

851
01:03:08.039 --> 01:03:12.119
Jonathan, who do you think is
winning this team duel? Well, I

852
01:03:12.159 --> 01:03:15.079
mean, Magneto is really powerful,
but I think the Rogues are more well

853
01:03:15.159 --> 01:03:19.639
rounded as a team, and that
showed him the stats, so I think

854
01:03:19.679 --> 01:03:22.800
the Rogues are going to take it. Of course, Instagram disagrees with me,

855
01:03:22.039 --> 01:03:28.679
because they always choose Marvel. Yeah, seventy eight percent of our Instagram

856
01:03:28.679 --> 01:03:31.719
followers who voted in the poll chose
the Brotherhood to win. And I like

857
01:03:31.800 --> 01:03:37.360
this, like we got to keep
this Marvel streak going where everybody picks the

858
01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:40.119
Marvel side to just totally stomp the
DC side. I mean, by at

859
01:03:40.159 --> 01:03:44.800
this point, why do we even
run a pole? But let's go and

860
01:03:44.800 --> 01:03:47.639
find out the results of this team
match AJ nine thousand. The results,

861
01:03:47.679 --> 01:03:55.119
please, Okay, the winner of
the team duel between the Rogues and the

862
01:03:55.199 --> 01:04:03.800
Brotherhood of Mutants is the Brotherhood of
Mutants. Those puny humans could not stand

863
01:04:03.800 --> 01:04:09.079
a chance against Homo Superior. Although
you know, actually it was pretty close.

864
01:04:09.440 --> 01:04:12.719
What were the results? Really,
this is your reaction. Yes,

865
01:04:12.800 --> 01:04:18.239
I'm sad. What were the results? The Brotherhood won an average of fifty

866
01:04:18.280 --> 01:04:23.880
one point two percent of their matches
against the Rogues, who only won an

867
01:04:23.920 --> 01:04:27.760
average of forty eight point eight percent
of the time. So actually really close.

868
01:04:27.760 --> 01:04:30.239
This is only a difference of about
twenty four net wins on average.

869
01:04:30.519 --> 01:04:33.880
Interesting, Okay, that's that's closer
than I thought it was going to be

870
01:04:34.119 --> 01:04:39.079
when you first announced to the Brotherhood
winning that got super scared. But yeah,

871
01:04:39.159 --> 01:04:42.880
I mean that's that's not a terrible
loss. Of course, we run

872
01:04:43.079 --> 01:04:46.159
way more than one thousand matches for
the team duels. Since we pay every

873
01:04:46.239 --> 01:04:50.880
character against every other character, it
ends up being like forty nine thousand matches.

874
01:04:51.159 --> 01:04:54.599
Yeah, it takes a while.
It's matrices of data that we're comparing

875
01:04:54.679 --> 01:04:58.400
as opposed to just sets of data, But those are the results. I

876
01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:00.000
had a feeling that the Brotherhood was
going to win this one. A lot

877
01:05:00.079 --> 01:05:04.559
of the Brotherhood of Mutants characters have
made awesome appearances in like the X Men

878
01:05:04.639 --> 01:05:10.719
films and cartoons and stuff. Even
the upcoming Flash movie I think doesn't have

879
01:05:10.840 --> 01:05:13.920
any of these Rogue members in it. No, apparently they're going with like

880
01:05:13.960 --> 01:05:16.639
a character named Dark Flash or something
like that. It's a rival character like

881
01:05:16.719 --> 01:05:20.760
zoom Inertia or Rival. I would
love to see a Flash movie with the

882
01:05:20.840 --> 01:05:25.800
Rogues as the villains though. That
would be perfect, especially if it was

883
01:05:25.840 --> 01:05:30.039
set up like Spider Man No Way
Home, where you have like alternate versions

884
01:05:30.079 --> 01:05:34.000
of the Flash like Jay Garrett and
Wally West going up against this team group

885
01:05:34.039 --> 01:05:38.519
of villains like in that Spider Man
movie. Oh man, that is like

886
01:05:38.559 --> 01:05:43.119
a brilliant idea for a Flash sequel
if we get a Flash sequel, which

887
01:05:43.320 --> 01:05:45.840
we won't, which is just salt
on an open wound at this point,

888
01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:50.800
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889
01:05:50.800 --> 01:05:55.119
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890
01:05:55.199 --> 01:05:59.159
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Our next episode is going to be
another dual episode featuring one of the X

902
01:06:46.360 --> 01:06:51.039
Men's mutant villains in Silver Samurai.
We're going to pit him up against DC's

903
01:06:51.119 --> 01:06:56.000
ninja assassin type character, Chesher,
so it's going to be like a ninja

904
01:06:56.079 --> 01:06:59.800
versus a Samurai. And that episode
is going to lead into our review of

905
01:07:00.079 --> 01:07:02.519
Big Hero six, which is based
on a Marvel comic that we're going to

906
01:07:02.639 --> 01:07:08.360
review with fellow podcaster Dustin Belcolm so
look forward to that, but that doesn't

907
01:07:08.360 --> 01:07:11.239
for this episode, we want to
give a big thanks to our executive producers

908
01:07:11.440 --> 01:07:15.559
Ken Johnson, John Stoski, Zachary
Hepburn, Dustin Belcom, Migi Matinkian,

909
01:07:15.760 --> 01:07:21.960
Brandon Estergard, Nathaniel Wagner, Levy
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910
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Dunkerley, Scott Camacho, Gil Camacho, and Adam Speas for helping make this

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01:07:28.280 --> 01:07:30.760
podcast possible. And we'll talk to
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912
01:07:30.800 --> 01:07:33.920
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